Big Power = Get Out Of Jail Free

[rgs2001uk]

I agre with giddyup this is one of the things that infuriate me. As for Tommo his remarks it happens a lot less if at all in the West there we got a legal system that is better (not perfect that is for sure).

Let's put it this way: When the rich and powerful get off in the west, you won't know about it.

Yes sure good remark it happens but we just dont see it... you can't prove that statement but its good to act like this because then Thailand does not look so bad.

No, not trying to defend the nepotism or corruption occurring in Thailand. But let's face it, the only way we find out anything about the rich and powerful in America or elsewhere is if it shows up on CNN. Too many times I've found out about shady dealings in the US many years later. Which leads me to believe that something nefarious is always going on right under our noses, but beyond our view. For instance, there was a documentary I saw recently about the demise of the first generation electric car in the US years ago. For years, I've pondered as to why an old technology such as the combustion engine was still in use today. That movie explained a lot. And then there were the origins of the financial crisis. I can go on and on.

Anyways, don't want to ramble. You can choose to believe that the rich and powerful in the west follow the same rules we do. That senators and CEOs are always ethical and looking out for you and not for themselves. If that's your rose-colored view of the west, so be it.

^^^^, I am asuming you are an American, if so count yourself lucky you have the FOI act.

In the UK everything is covered up by the official secrets act.

Try and unearth information as to who was the 16th passenger when the Duke Of Kents plane crashed in 1942.

[StreetCowboy]

QUOTE

I am asuming you are an American, if so count yourself lucky you have the FOI act.

In the UK everything is covered up by the official secrets act.
Try and unearth information as to who was the 16th passenger when the Duke Of Kents plane crashed in 1942.

ENDQUOTE

Are you trying to say that at the age of eight, Lord Lucan faked his own death 32 years prior to his disappearance?

[rgs2001uk]

QUOTE

I am asuming you are an American, if so count yourself lucky you have the FOI act.

In the UK everything is covered up by the official secrets act.

Try and unearth information as to who was the 16th passenger when the Duke Of Kents plane crashed in 1942.

ENDQUOTE

Are you trying to say that at the age of eight, Lord Lucan faked his own death 32 years prior to his disappearance?

SC, I thought you were Lord Lucan.

Dont worry, your secrets safe with me, LOL

[StreetCowboy]

QUOTE

I am asuming you are an American, if so count yourself lucky you have the FOI act.

In the UK everything is covered up by the official secrets act.

Try and unearth information as to who was the 16th passenger when the Duke Of Kents plane crashed in 1942.

ENDQUOTE

Are you trying to say that at the age of eight, Lord Lucan faked his own death 32 years prior to his disappearance?

SC, I thought you were Lord Lucan.

Dont worry, your secrets safe with me, LOL

Busted!

SC

[rgs2001uk]

QUOTE

I am asuming you are an American, if so count yourself lucky you have the FOI act.

In the UK everything is covered up by the official secrets act.

Try and unearth information as to who was the 16th passenger when the Duke Of Kents plane crashed in 1942.

ENDQUOTE

Are you trying to say that at the age of eight, Lord Lucan faked his own death 32 years prior to his disappearance?

SC, I thought you were Lord Lucan.

Dont worry, your secrets safe with me, LOL

Busted!

Cowboy busted.jpg

SC

Ah SC, I can see you are part of the cover up.

Everyone knows the 16th passenger was Shergar en route to a Romanian knackers yard, this shit has been going on for years, you neighsayers can deny it all you want.

BTW, looking very dapper, recent photo is it?

[StreetCowboy]

QUOTE

I am asuming you are an American, if so count yourself lucky you have the FOI act.

In the UK everything is covered up by the official secrets act.

Try and unearth information as to who was the 16th passenger when the Duke Of Kents plane crashed in 1942.

ENDQUOTE

Are you trying to say that at the age of eight, Lord Lucan faked his own death 32 years prior to his disappearance?

SC, I thought you were Lord Lucan.

Dont worry, your secrets safe with me, LOL

Busted!

Cowboy busted.jpg

SC

Ah SC, I can see you are part of the cover up.

Everyone knows the 16th passenger was Shergar en route to a Romanian knackers yard, this shit has been going on for years, you neighsayers can deny it all you want.

BTW, looking very dapper, recent photo is it?

One ought to do one's best when one is out in public. Not out in that way but as in exposed to public view. Not exposed in that way, but out like the Queen on walkabout. Not a Queen, the Queen. Not like in an australian on walkabout, but out meeting one's public... Anyway, I'm sure you know what I mean

SC

[mjj]

I agre with giddyup this is one of the things that infuriate me. As for Tommo his remarks it happens a lot less if at all in the West there we got a legal system that is better (not perfect that is for sure).

Let's put it this way: When the rich and powerful get off in the west, you won't know about it.

Yes sure good remark it happens but we just dont see it... you can't prove that statement but its good to act like this because then Thailand does not look so bad.

No, not trying to defend the nepotism or corruption occurring in Thailand. But let's face it, the only way we find out anything about the rich and powerful in America or elsewhere is if it shows up on CNN. Too many times I've found out about shady dealings in the US many years later. Which leads me to believe that something nefarious is always going on right under our noses, but beyond our view. For instance, there was a documentary I saw recently about the demise of the first generation electric car in the US years ago. For years, I've pondered as to why an old technology such as the combustion engine was still in use today. That movie explained a lot. And then there were the origins of the financial crisis. I can go on and on. Anyways, don't want to ramble. You can choose to believe that the rich and powerful in the west follow the same rules we do. That senators and CEOs are always ethical and looking out for you and not for themselves. If that's your rose-colored view of the west, so be it.

^^^^, I am asuming you are an American, if so count yourself lucky you have the FOI act.In the UK everything is covered up by the official secrets act.Try and unearth information as to who was the 16th passenger when the Duke Of Kents plane crashed in 1942.

Rudolf Hess. Do I win anything?

[dundee48]

I know it bothers alot of western people about the laws here, we can talk about it but it is not our country and we dont have the right to vote .Unfortunately it will always be the same, maybe sometime in the distant future it will slowly change

No mate it will never ever change it is what it is nothing you can do about it

so do what i do do not think about it !!

AKA Burying your head in the sand.

[I Like Thai]

For centuries now the Western man and other peoples have been going around the world, going into other peoples countries and telling them how they should do things. Can anyone give me an example of where this has benefited the indigenous peoples ?

If not, then why do many of you think that you will be of any benefit to Thai society with your foreign views. Do you think that we are more clever now than before, we are so advanced that "we know best"

That's what the travelers of the past thought also.

[JurgenG]

For centuries now the Western man and other peoples have been going around the world, going into other peoples countries and telling them how they should do things. Can anyone give me an example of where this has benefited the indigenous peoples ?

If not, then why do many of you think that you will be of any benefit to Thai society with your foreign views. Do you think that we are more clever now than before, we are so advanced that "we know best"

That's what the travelers of the past thought also.

Actually this is a very French idea, they have a name for that "Mission civilisatrice" (civilizing mission). This is something that always make laugh the Brits who were there only for the money, a "nation of shopkeepers" according to the French

[robblok]

For centuries now the Western man and other peoples have been going around the world, going into other peoples countries and telling them how they should do things. Can anyone give me an example of where this has benefited the indigenous peoples ?

If not, then why do many of you think that you will be of any benefit to Thai society with your foreign views. Do you think that we are more clever now than before, we are so advanced that "we know best"

That's what the travelers of the past thought also.

I wonder why people are defending corruption and buying your way out of trouble. I also wonder how their views would be if one of their loved ones was killed by one of those in power and there was not a legal thing you could do as they bribed everyone.

To even think that you got the same legal security here as in the West or that corruption is at the same levels as the west is crazy.

Why is it that some people think you cant ever say anything bad about Thailand without loving it or that telling that something back home was better means you want to go back home.

[giddyup]

For centuries now the Western man and other peoples have been going around the world, going into other peoples countries and telling them how they should do things. Can anyone give me an example of where this has benefited the indigenous peoples ?

If not, then why do many of you think that you will be of any benefit to Thai society with your foreign views. Do you think that we are more clever now than before, we are so advanced that "we know best"

That's what the travelers of the past thought also.

Colonisation had it's pluses and minuses. Improvement in education, health, infrastructure etc. Where it all went belly-up was when some of these countries achieved independence, Zimbabwe being their poster child.

[giddyup]

For centuries now the Western man and other peoples have been going around the world, going into other peoples countries and telling them how they should do things. Can anyone give me an example of where this has benefited the indigenous peoples ?

If not, then why do many of you think that you will be of any benefit to Thai society with your foreign views. Do you think that we are more clever now than before, we are so advanced that "we know best"

That's what the travelers of the past thought also.

I wonder why people are defending corruption and buying your way out of trouble. I also wonder how their views would be if one of their loved ones was killed by one of those in power and there was not a legal thing you could do as they bribed everyone.

To even think that you got the same legal security here as in the West or that corruption is at the same levels as the west is crazy.

Why is it that some people think you cant ever say anything bad about Thailand without loving it or that telling that something back home was better means you want to go back home.

I asked the same question earlier. It seems that any criticism of the total injustices done in Thailand is viewed as another example of the white man interfering in a foreign country.

[robblok]

For centuries now the Western man and other peoples have been going around the world, going into other peoples countries and telling them how they should do things. Can anyone give me an example of where this has benefited the indigenous peoples ?

If not, then why do many of you think that you will be of any benefit to Thai society with your foreign views. Do you think that we are more clever now than before, we are so advanced that "we know best"

That's what the travelers of the past thought also.

I wonder why people are defending corruption and buying your way out of trouble. I also wonder how their views would be if one of their loved ones was killed by one of those in power and there was not a legal thing you could do as they bribed everyone.

To even think that you got the same legal security here as in the West or that corruption is at the same levels as the west is crazy.

Why is it that some people think you cant ever say anything bad about Thailand without loving it or that telling that something back home was better means you want to go back home.

I asked the same question earlier. It seems that any criticism of the total injustices done in Thailand is viewed as another example of the white man interfering in a foreign country.

They don't seem to realise that many of the Thai people see it as injustice too and would love for it to change. Just not those benefiting from it (and those are the ones in control)

[giddyup]

For centuries now the Western man and other peoples have been going around the world, going into other peoples countries and telling them how they should do things. Can anyone give me an example of where this has benefited the indigenous peoples ?

If not, then why do many of you think that you will be of any benefit to Thai society with your foreign views. Do you think that we are more clever now than before, we are so advanced that "we know best"

That's what the travelers of the past thought also.

I wonder why people are defending corruption and buying your way out of trouble. I also wonder how their views would be if one of their loved ones was killed by one of those in power and there was not a legal thing you could do as they bribed everyone.

To even think that you got the same legal security here as in the West or that corruption is at the same levels as the west is crazy.

Why is it that some people think you cant ever say anything bad about Thailand without loving it or that telling that something back home was better means you want to go back home.

I asked the same question earlier. It seems that any criticism of the total injustices done in Thailand is viewed as another example of the white man interfering in a foreign country.

They don't seem to realise that many of the Thai people see it as injustice too and would love for it to change. Just not those benefiting from it (and those are the ones in control)

Change won't occur until the Thais start to take a few risks and put their heads on the chopping block. It appears to me that they are pretty apathetic and just accept the injustices as the Thai way. How hard is it to organise a few public demonstrations whenever some fat cat walks away from a murder charge. The bottom line is that most accept a big money payout as fair compensation for the death of a loved one.

[TommoPhysicist]

Why is it that some people think you cant ever say anything bad about Thailand without loving it or that telling that something back home was better means you want to go back home.

I'm happy to point out defects in Thailand, but the corruption and injustice is actually fairer in Thailand.

Everyone has the chance to participate, not just bankers and politicians.

[I Like Thai]

For centuries now the Western man and other peoples have been going around the world, going into other peoples countries and telling them how they should do things. Can anyone give me an example of where this has benefited the indigenous peoples ?

If not, then why do many of you think that you will be of any benefit to Thai society with your foreign views. Do you think that we are more clever now than before, we are so advanced that "we know best"

That's what the travelers of the past thought also.

I wonder why people are defending corruption and buying your way out of trouble. I also wonder how their views would be if one of their loved ones was killed by one of those in power and there was not a legal thing you could do as they bribed everyone.

To even think that you got the same legal security here as in the West or that corruption is at the same levels as the west is crazy.

Why is it that some people think you cant ever say anything bad about Thailand without loving it or that telling that something back home was better means you want to go back home.

I asked the same question earlier. It seems that any criticism of the total injustices done in Thailand is viewed as another example of the white man interfering in a foreign country.

[simple1]

Change won't occur until the Thais start to take a few risks and put their heads on the chopping block. It appears to me that they are pretty apathetic and just accept the injustices as the Thai way. How hard is it to organise a few public demonstrations whenever some fat cat walks away from a murder charge. The bottom line is that most accept a big money payout as fair compensation for the death of a loved one.

having problems with the quote function:

Isn't this the crux of the issue in Thailand? Compensation is paid rather than going down the path of a Civil Court claim that can only happen if the accused is found guilty. Even if found guilty & then appeals & let out on bail and the case takes years to come to a final conclusion. So accepting monetary compensation is pragmatic, especially if the family bread winner has been killed - no family social benefits payments if no income

How many Thais could afford a well qualified lawyer to pursue a civil claim or indeed believe that a high profile or wealthy individual will be found guilty of the criminal offense.

Demonstrating against government agency decisions is not welcomed and actively discouraged or dispersed

[giddyup]

Change won't occur until the Thais start to take a few risks and put their heads on the chopping block. It appears to me that they are pretty apathetic and just accept the injustices as the Thai way. How hard is it to organise a few public demonstrations whenever some fat cat walks away from a murder charge. The bottom line is that most accept a big money payout as fair compensation for the death of a loved one.

having problems with the quote function:

Isn't this the crux of the issue in Thailand? Compensation is paid rather than going down the path of a Civil Court claim that can only happen if the accused is found guilty. Even if found guilty & then appeals & let out on bail and the case takes years to come to a final conclusion. So accepting monetary compensation is pragmatic, especially if the family bread winner has been killed - no family social benefits payments if no income

How many Thais could afford a well qualified lawyer to pursue a civil claim or indeed believe that a high profile or wealthy individual will be found guilty of the criminal offense.

Demonstrating against government agency decisions is not welcomed and actively discouraged or dispersed

Demonstrating against government agency decisions is not welcomed and actively discouraged or dispersed

Sometimes risks have to be taken to instigate change, so what if the government doesn't approve. Get together a demonstration of 20,000 or 50,000 people, what are they going to do, bring in the tanks and army? I honestly think that most Thais are less concerned about justice than monetary compensation. Before an individual pursues civil action in a criminal case, the federal court should have already charged and tried the perpetrator, and awarded compensation to the victim. This just doesn't happen if they have "big power".

Edited February 23, 2013 by giddyup

[robblok]

For centuries now the Western man and other peoples have been going around the world, going into other peoples countries and telling them how they should do things. Can anyone give me an example of where this has benefited the indigenous peoples ?

If not, then why do many of you think that you will be of any benefit to Thai society with your foreign views. Do you think that we are more clever now than before, we are so advanced that "we know best"

That's what the travelers of the past thought also.

I wonder why people are defending corruption and buying your way out of trouble. I also wonder how their views would be if one of their loved ones was killed by one of those in power and there was not a legal thing you could do as they bribed everyone.

To even think that you got the same legal security here as in the West or that corruption is at the same levels as the west is crazy.

Why is it that some people think you cant ever say anything bad about Thailand without loving it or that telling that something back home was better means you want to go back home.

I asked the same question earlier. It seems that any criticism of the total injustices done in Thailand is viewed as another example of the white man interfering in a foreign country.

And your point is ?

[StreetCowboy]

...

And your point is ?

I don't think he was having a go at you personally; I think it was aimed at all body-builders

SC

[Banzai99]

Why don't all outraged Farangs join together in a demonstration, think of the publicity your demo would get, it would be worldwide news, and a right kick in the teeth for the Thai system ?

You show the Thai masses that Farangs are willing to make sacrifices, then maybe a few Thais will join in also, you could become legendary moral crusaders, you show them that farangs don't accept what they accept.

Any takers ?

[robblok]

...

And your point is ?

I don't think he was having a go at you personally; I think it was aimed at all body-builders

SC

Certainly low standards if you consider weismuller a body-builder. Must have been why i did not make the connection.

[simple1]

Change won't occur until the Thais start to take a few risks and put their heads on the chopping block. It appears to me that they are pretty apathetic and just accept the injustices as the Thai way. How hard is it to organise a few public demonstrations whenever some fat cat walks away from a murder charge. The bottom line is that most accept a big money payout as fair compensation for the death of a loved one.

having problems with the quote function:

Isn't this the crux of the issue in Thailand? Compensation is paid rather than going down the path of a Civil Court claim that can only happen if the accused is found guilty. Even if found guilty & then appeals & let out on bail and the case takes years to come to a final conclusion. So accepting monetary compensation is pragmatic, especially if the family bread winner has been killed - no family social benefits payments if no income

How many Thais could afford a well qualified lawyer to pursue a civil claim or indeed believe that a high profile or wealthy individual will be found guilty of the criminal offense.

Demonstrating against government agency decisions is not welcomed and actively discouraged or dispersed

Demonstrating against government agency decisions is not welcomed and actively discouraged or dispersed

Sometimes risks have to be taken to instigate change, so what if the government doesn't approve. Get together a demonstration of 20,000 or 50,000 people, what are they going to do, bring in the tanks and army? I honestly think that most Thais are less concerned about justice than monetary compensation. Before an individual pursues civil action in a criminal case, the federal court should have already charged and tried the perpetrator, and awarded compensation to the victim. This just doesn't happen if they have "big power".

Yes the army could be involved - has happened previously.

EDIT:

Bit of a challenge to claim compensation via the Court as the victim is required to deposit in court an amount equal to 20% of the value claimed. Source:

http://www.thailandlaw.org/compensation-for-wrongful-acts

Edited February 23, 2013 by simple1

[TommoPhysicist]

Certainly low standards if you consider weismuller a body-builder. Must have been why i did not make the connection.

He was a body builder from the days before everyone used steroids.

It makes a big difference if you can't cheat!

[robblok]

Certainly low standards if you consider weismuller a body-builder. Must have been why i did not make the connection.

He was a body builder from the days before everyone used steroids.

It makes a big difference if you can't cheat!

Ever tried it ? Even natural you can get a lot further then what is. You don't sound like an expert on it.

Anyway its way off topic.

edit he was a swimmer not a bodybuilder..shows how much you know

Edited February 23, 2013 by robblok

[giddyup]

Certainly low standards if you consider weismuller a body-builder. Must have been why i did not make the connection.

He was a body builder from the days before everyone used steroids.

It makes a big difference if you can't cheat!

Ever tried it ? Even natural you can get a lot further then what is. You don't sound like an expert on it.

Anyway its way off topic.

edit he was a swimmer not a bodybuilder..shows how much you know

Not just a swimmer either, an Olympic champion with 5 gold medals.

[I Like Thai]

Certainly low standards if you consider weismuller a body-builder. Must have been why i did not make the connection.

He was a body builder from the days before everyone used steroids.

It makes a big difference if you can't cheat!

The modern day Tarzan can just change bodies. How cool is that

[MAJIC]

doji, on 22 Feb 2013 - 10:39, said:

Ok you tell me....which country doesn't run by the rich and powerful who can't seem to do anything wrong?

You seem to disgust that many cases here didn't even get pass the courtroom. Go and read western news, many cases in the west didn't even get investigated seriously. Just to be fair here.

MF Global, Barclay interest rate rigged, Goldman insider trading, gold an silver market manipulation, who is Mario Drarghi- you tell me... ects?

H E L L O

There's been plenty of Western high fliers that have gone to jail, especially those that have bilked honest people out of their life savings. You can't compare Thailand and the West when it comes to dispensing justice. The Western media also demands answers where injustice is seen, not here.

Stamford?...Madoff?___just a drop in the bucket. They are nothing when comparing to the powerful EU, the Fed, or Goldman of what they are doing to millions of people in their region (s), country, and around the world... Wake UP

"You can't compare Thailand and the West when it comes to dispensing justice"....haha daydreaming or wishful thinking ?

The west is no better than Thailand, except in Thailand we may see more cases of primitive in nature and only affect a small group of people in each case. I think you’re taking it to heart, because it’s stirring you basic human emotion just imagining it.

But the real cupids in life changing of the mass and many future generations to come (in bad ways) are from the WEST! Just because you can’t see or have emotional connection to them, it doesn't mean what happening inThailand are worse.

And Thaksin evading Justice,with the full backing of the Elected Government doesn't count I suppose?

[robblok]

Certainly low standards if you consider weismuller a body-builder. Must have been why i did not make the connection.

He was a body builder from the days before everyone used steroids.

It makes a big difference if you can't cheat!

The modern day Tarzan can just change bodies. How cool is that

Im quite confused about this attack. Probably reflects a lack of good arguments on your side on the original topic as its standard to attack the messenger if you cant beat the arguments. Kinda childish actually.