rattler Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (I ask this because I have recently had the experience of visiting my GF's Mother in a Government Hospital, namely Banglamung and Chonburi, the conditions I found in these hospitals is most definitely Third world, I have only seen worst in Africa). Have you ever experienced the National Health hospitals in the UK? Makes the Thailand government hospitals appear like the Ritz in comparison. A patient literally has to be on the point of booking an undertaker before they even consider medical treatment. I thought that the term, developing nation was a new politically correct way of describing a third world country so as not to cause offense to those who do live or originate from a third world country? What absolute tripe!!! The NHS is a VERY good healthcare system at a VERY good price with some of the best surgeons in the world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattler Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (I ask this because I have recently had the experience of visiting my GF's Mother in a Government Hospital, namely Banglamung and Chonburi, the conditions I found in these hospitals is most definitely Third world, I have only seen worst in Africa). Have you ever experienced the National Health hospitals in the UK? Makes the Thailand government hospitals appear like the Ritz in comparison. A patient literally has to be on the point of booking an undertaker before they even consider medical treatment. I'm sorry but this is just nonsense. When was the last time you visited an NHS hospital or had any treatment on the NHS? probably 1920 before it ha d been invented and they made him drink a bottle of whisky before the barber cut his legs off with a rusty saw and then dobbed tar on the end of his stumps...................I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabC Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (I ask this because I have recently had the experience of visiting my GF's Mother in a Government Hospital, namely Banglamung and Chonburi, the conditions I found in these hospitals is most definitely Third world, I have only seen worst in Africa). Have you ever experienced the National Health hospitals in the UK? Makes the Thailand government hospitals appear like the Ritz in comparison. A patient literally has to be on the point of booking an undertaker before they even consider medical treatment. I thought that the term, developing nation was a new politically correct way of describing a third world country so as not to cause offense to those who do live or originate from a third world country? Complete and utter rubbish, without quoting the Daily Mail back up your claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) Always thought the 3rd world referred to non aligned nations during the cold war. Nothing to do with developed or developing nations. Thailand is developing at break neck speed, in the 10 odd years I've been here, out in the boonies, the change and pace of change is unbelievable. Give it 10 more years and I think they will have caught up to many western nations. As to hospitals, at least they have free medical and dental, go to my rich country, Australia. If you have bad teeth and no money, they will rot in your head. Jim actually you are wrong jim , Australia has a free dental program , but there is such a long waiting list to get them done and by the time you get there they are rotten. if you are in alot of pain then they can do it quicker , less than a week. my daughter just went through it . kevvy, give Jim a break. He probably hasn't heard the news of the introduction of this program as Jim lives here full time in Thailand and is way out in the boonies. Respect to both you guys ... EDIT ... just read Jim's reply Edited February 28, 2013 by David48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 The OP writes ... Is Thailand Considered A Third World Country Or A Developing Nation? So is that your question? I ask this because I have recently had the experience of visiting myGF's Mother in a Government Hospital, namely Banglamung and Chonburi,the conditions I found in these hospitals is most definitely Thirdworld, I have only seen worst in Africa, serious overcrowding, no Air conditioning, no Fans, very dirty, filthy beds and the list goes on, Or do you wish to discuss, in your opinion the demise of the Thai Public Hospitals? The lady was admitted to theBanglamung Hospital a month ago after having a small stroke, they foundnothing wrong and was sent home, she is 80 years old, she the hadanother "Turn" a few days ago and this time was taken to ChonburiHospital, and given an Xray, (MRI) they found an anurism in her head,and said the would insert a stent, an obvious thing to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) ^^ Do you have any concept of what a cerebral aneurysm is? Some medical information for you ... aneurysmal subarachnoid hemorrhage (SAH) has devastating consequences.About 10% of individuals with aneurysmal SAH die before reaching medicalattention, 25% die within 24 hours, and 40-49% die within 3 months. Themortality rate has been estimated to be as high as 65%, with mostdeaths occurring early in the clinical course. Here now they havechanged there mind and said if she keeps her blood pressure down she"should" be OK, WHAT! Her Daughter and Grand son, 30 Year Old seem toaccept this and I am unable to convince them to insist on placing astent is a must, as she has a Time Bomb in her head waiting to go off,.as a stupid Farang, and do not know what I am talking about, I am at aloss as to what to do about his situation, some good advice would beuseful. I suspect that because of her age they have decided not to spend themoney on what is basic surgery for her. I may be wrong but doubt it. basic surgery ... So, before you jump to conclusions about what her daughter may or may not be thinking, think about this ... It's not brain surgery. Opps, hang on ... yes it is. Actually. it's open brain surgery! Patients age 65 or older had four to five times as many complicationsfrom surgery -- including death -- as did patients younger than age 45.And as older patients have a shorter remaining life span than do youngerpatients, they have a shorter period of being at risk for aneurysmrupture. Here Edited February 28, 2013 by David48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozziebloke Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Always thought the 3rd world referred to non aligned nations during the cold war. Nothing to do with developed or developing nations. Thailand is developing at break neck speed, in the 10 odd years I've been here, out in the boonies, the change and pace of change is unbelievable. Give it 10 more years and I think they will have caught up to many western nations. As to hospitals, at least they have free medical and dental, go to my rich country, Australia. If you have bad teeth and no money, they will rot in your head. Jim actually you are wrong jim , Australia has a free dental program , but there is such a long waiting list to get them done and by the time you get there they are rotten. if you are in alot of pain then they can do it quicker , less than a week. my daughter just went through it . Sorry can't agree with you Kevvy that service is getting scrapped and with that service it is only available to the very poor and usually it's only pulling teeth and anti biotics when the infection is past being able to do anything, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavoTheGun Posted February 28, 2013 Author Share Posted February 28, 2013 ^^ Do you have any concept of what a cerebral aneurysm is? Some medical information for you ... aneurysmal subarachnoid hemorrhage (SAH) has devastating consequences. About 10% of individuals with aneurysmal SAH die before reaching medical attention, 25% die within 24 hours, and 40-49% die within 3 months. The mortality rate has been estimated to be as high as 65%, with most deaths occurring early in the clinical course. Here now they have changed there mind and said if she keeps her blood pressure down she "should" be OK, WHAT! Her Daughter and Grand son, 30 Year Old seem to accept this and I am unable to convince them to insist on placing a stent is a must, as she has a Time Bomb in her head waiting to go off,. as a stupid Farang, and do not know what I am talking about, I am at a loss as to what to do about his situation, some good advice would be useful. I suspect that because of her age they have decided not to spend the money on what is basic surgery for her. I may be wrong but doubt it. basic surgery ... So, before you jump to conclusions about what her daughter may or may not be thinking, think about this ... It's not brain surgery. Opps, hang on ... yes it is. Actually. it's open brain surgery! Patients age 65 or older had four to five times as many complications from surgery -- including death -- as did patients younger than age 45. And as older patients have a shorter remaining life span than do younger patients, they have a shorter period of being at risk for aneurysm rupture. Here I know exactly what a cerebral aneurysm is? In this case it could be fixed with a stent inserted through the aorta, without opening the cranium, so is relatively simple providing the do not rupture the vessel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevvy Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Always thought the 3rd world referred to non aligned nations during the cold war. Nothing to do with developed or developing nations. Thailand is developing at break neck speed, in the 10 odd years I've been here, out in the boonies, the change and pace of change is unbelievable. Give it 10 more years and I think they will have caught up to many western nations. As to hospitals, at least they have free medical and dental, go to my rich country, Australia. If you have bad teeth and no money, they will rot in your head. Jim actually you are wrong jim , Australia has a free dental program , but there is such a long waiting list to get them done and by the time you get there they are rotten. if you are in alot of pain then they can do it quicker , less than a week. my daughter just went through it .Last time I was back, watched one of those current affair shows about it. People were being told not to bother registering for the free dentist, just put down for false teeth as the waiting list was 5 years and you'll have no teeth left by then.Not really a free dental system, here in our little local hospital, dentist comes twice a week and treats farangs for free as well, but there is only one off us. Jim jim, my daughter went back to OZ 3 weeks ago and when she got back she got in to see the dentist in a week , as her tooth broke off in Thailand , maybe she was a lucky one , she is 33 years old . as i said for emergency only you can get seen . if you have to be put on a waiting list then you will wait for 5 years . just like when you have to wait to have surgery or public housing , now that is a joke . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevvy Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Always thought the 3rd world referred to non aligned nations during the cold war. Nothing to do with developed or developing nations. Thailand is developing at break neck speed, in the 10 odd years I've been here, out in the boonies, the change and pace of change is unbelievable. Give it 10 more years and I think they will have caught up to many western nations. As to hospitals, at least they have free medical and dental, go to my rich country, Australia. If you have bad teeth and no money, they will rot in your head. Jim actually you are wrong jim , Australia has a free dental program , but there is such a long waiting list to get them done and by the time you get there they are rotten. if you are in alot of pain then they can do it quicker , less than a week. my daughter just went through it . Sorry can't agree with you Kevvy that service is getting scrapped and with that service it is only available to the very poor and usually it's only pulling teeth and anti biotics when the infection is past being able to do anything, as i said to Jim my daughter went back to OZ 3 weeks ago , and she broke her tooth here in Thailand , after 2 weeks of being home she got in and they fixed her tooth , going to do a crown for her . she is on disability pension. that is all i can go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevvy Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Always thought the 3rd world referred to non aligned nations during the cold war. Nothing to do with developed or developing nations. Thailand is developing at break neck speed, in the 10 odd years I've been here, out in the boonies, the change and pace of change is unbelievable. Give it 10 more years and I think they will have caught up to many western nations. As to hospitals, at least they have free medical and dental, go to my rich country, Australia. If you have bad teeth and no money, they will rot in your head. Jim actually you are wrong jim , Australia has a free dental program , but there is such a long waiting list to get them done and by the time you get there they are rotten. if you are in alot of pain then they can do it quicker , less than a week. my daughter just went through it . kevvy, give Jim a break. He probably hasn't heard the news of the introduction of this program as Jim lives here full time in Thailand and is way out in the boonies. Respect to both you guys ... EDIT ... just read Jim's reply not disrespecting Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Always thought the 3rd world referred to non aligned nations during the cold war. Nothing to do with developed or developing nations. Thailand is developing at break neck speed, in the 10 odd years I've been here, out in the boonies, the change and pace of change is unbelievable. Give it 10 more years and I think they will have caught up to many western nations. As to hospitals, at least they have free medical and dental, go to my rich country, Australia. If you have bad teeth and no money, they will rot in your head. Jim actually you are wrong jim , Australia has a free dental program , but there is such a long waiting list to get them done and by the time you get there they are rotten. if you are in alot of pain then they can do it quicker , less than a week. my daughter just went through it . kevvy, give Jim a break. He probably hasn't heard the news of the introduction of this program as Jim lives here full time in Thailand and is way out in the boonies. Respect to both you guys ... EDIT ... just read Jim's reply not disrespecting Jim ^^ Know you are not ... maybe I worded that wrong. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paangjang Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 At 80, I don't expect much from any hospital in the world. The UK most likely wouldn't do that operation .... too old. Rubbish. The patient is assessed on criteria such as whether or not the patient would survive the treatment and what the underlying condition is. Many 80 year olds in the UK undergo expensive and complicated open heart surgery. A sedentary obese smoker is not going to be considered a good candidate, but an active function 80 year old will be. Agreed, totally false information. My grandad had a triple bypass at 84, lived to be 97... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 At 80, I don't expect much from any hospital in the world. The UK most likely wouldn't do that operation .... too old. Rubbish. The patient is assessed on criteria such as whether or not the patient would survive the treatment and what the underlying condition is. Many 80 year olds in the UK undergo expensive and complicated open heart surgery. A sedentary obese smoker is not going to be considered a good candidate, but an active function 80 year old will be. Agreed, totally false information. My grandad had a triple bypass at 84, lived to be 97... Was that in Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisb Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Thailand is far from 3rd world, it is however definitely developing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paangjang Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 At 80, I don't expect much from any hospital in the world. The UK most likely wouldn't do that operation .... too old. Rubbish. The patient is assessed on criteria such as whether or not the patient would survive the treatment and what the underlying condition is. Many 80 year olds in the UK undergo expensive and complicated open heart surgery. A sedentary obese smoker is not going to be considered a good candidate, but an active function 80 year old will be. Agreed, totally false information. My grandad had a triple bypass at 84, lived to be 97... Was that in Thailand? erm no, so quite unrelated. Sorry. However my girlfriends uncle has recently has heart surgery here. Not sure how but the whole operation was 100% free. Something to do with the king's trust?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TommoPhysicist Posted February 28, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2013 I class Thailand as 'Banana Republic', rather than 'Third World'. Due to multiple military coups and fixed elections. Corrupt police, corrupt politicians, etc. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PaullyW Posted February 28, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) As some have stated, Thailand is more developed in some areas and less in others. My observations living, working and developing relationships here with Thais for the full swath of society is that Thailand and Thais are doing fairly OK with their economic development having been turned into a industrialization engine/export economy by the US and Japan. However, they are very underdeveloped in the areas that matter most to me personally. Social and cultural development they are woefully lacking. On the rights of people, they are lacking such as free speech. They are lacking in modern education. They are underdeveloped in their attitudes towards violence, their attitudes towards corruption. They are very underdeveloped in their respect for hygiene and particularly food safety. They are underdeveloped in their world view still stuck in a 19th century nation building phase (along with North Korea and not many others). They are underdeveloped in their courage to sacrifice for greater positive change in all aspects of their society; how many Thai matrys for progress have you read about? There are almost none. They are extraordinarily underdeveloped in their application and execution of the law. Thais tend to be very weak emotionally unable to properly anticipate, express, discuss and/or reconcile their emotions. They are underdeveloped in their interpretation and execution of Buddhism. It's nearly a farce. They are underdeveloped in their application of the East Asian concept of FACE, hiding behind it rather than allowing it motivate their good actions such as is more common in Korea, and Japan. I could probably cite more... For me, they are underdeveloped (or completely undeveloped) in all the things that form the foundation bedrock of a developed society. They have built a few malls, and import fancy cars and send many of their upper-class kids abroad for education but much of that effort pales in light of all the fundamental areas where they are completely underdeveloped. So, no, Thailand is far and away not a developed nation. This is what I explain to upper class Thais I work with and encounter out and about. Can't discuss with Thais who have never been abroad... they might very well assault you! Edited February 28, 2013 by PaullyW 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaullyW Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 ^^ Essentially, what Thailand fails to understand is that development has most importantly in the mind and not in the wallet. We await their revolution of the mind and revolution of respectable values as they become richer economically. And, yes, would be fantastic to have some walkable pavements as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajarnpot Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 in response to op she is 80, who wants an operation at any time ? I think this is part of the buddhist cycle and if its her time its her time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poanoi Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Take the old girl to Bangkok Pattaya Hospital, tell them what you want doing, they will do it very quickly Don't you think I would have done that already, She has no insurance and I do not have sufficient funds to do that, it would cost about 1 million bart at least, her insurance finished when 66 they just stopped it, her Daughter had been paying for years and NEVER claimed, bastards! I think you just found out why no one wants to pay for it, even You don't want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozziebloke Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Always thought the 3rd world referred to non aligned nations during the cold war. Nothing to do with developed or developing nations. Thailand is developing at break neck speed, in the 10 odd years I've been here, out in the boonies, the change and pace of change is unbelievable. Give it 10 more years and I think they will have caught up to many western nations. As to hospitals, at least they have free medical and dental, go to my rich country, Australia. If you have bad teeth and no money, they will rot in your head. Jim actually you are wrong jim , Australia has a free dental program , but there is such a long waiting list to get them done and by the time you get there they are rotten. if you are in alot of pain then they can do it quicker , less than a week. my daughter just went through it . Sorry can't agree with you Kevvy that service is getting scrapped and with that service it is only available to the very poor and usually it's only pulling teeth and anti biotics when the infection is past being able to do anything, as i said to Jim my daughter went back to OZ 3 weeks ago , and she broke her tooth here in Thailand , after 2 weeks of being home she got in and they fixed her tooth , going to do a crown for her . she is on disability pension. that is all i can go on. No worries that would be the difference, Your daughter being on a dissability pension. I can only go on my sister as she is on a very low income and she could not get any help until her tooth got died and got infected and then they just pulled it and put her on anti biotics and no she's on the waiting list wich I think is about 5 years now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaullyW Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Sorry, double post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driedmango Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 As some have stated, Thailand is more developed in some areas and less in others. My observations living, working and developing relationships here with Thais for the full swath of society is that Thailand and Thais are doing fairly OK with their economic development having been turned into a industrialization engine/export economy by the US and Japan. However, they are very underdeveloped in the areas that matter most to me personally. Social and cultural development they are woefully lacking. On the rights of people, they are lacking such as free speech. They are lacking in modern education. They are underdeveloped in their attitudes towards violence, their attitudes towards corruption. They are very underdeveloped in their respect for hygiene and particularly food safety. They are underdeveloped in their world view still stuck in a 19th century nation building phase (along with North Korea and not many others). They are underdeveloped in their courage to sacrifice for greater positive change in all aspects of their society; how many Thai matrys for progress have you read about? There are almost none. They are extraordinarily underdeveloped in their application and execution of the law. Thais tend to be very weak emotionally unable to properly anticipate, express, discuss and/or reconcile their emotions. They are underdeveloped in their interpretation and execution of Buddhism. It's nearly a farce. They are underdeveloped in their application of the East Asian concept of FACE, hiding behind it rather than allowing it motivate their good actions such as is more common in Korea, and Japan. I could probably cite more... For me, they are underdeveloped (or completely undeveloped) in all the things that form the foundation bedrock of a developed society. They have built a few malls, and import fancy cars and send many of their upper-class kids abroad for education but much of that effort pales in light of all the fundamental areas where they are completely underdeveloped. So, no, Thailand is far and away not a developed nation. This is what I explain to upper class Thais I work with and encounter out and about. Can't discuss with Thais who have never been abroad... they might very well assault you! You sound like a bitter know it all yuppie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaullyW Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 (edited) As some have stated, Thailand is more developed in some areas and less in others. My observations living, working and developing relationships here with Thais for the full swath of society is that Thailand and Thais are doing fairly OK with their economic development having been turned into a industrialization engine/export economy by the US and Japan. However, they are very underdeveloped in the areas that matter most to me personally. Social and cultural development they are woefully lacking. On the rights of people, they are lacking such as free speech. They are lacking in modern education. They are underdeveloped in their attitudes towards violence, their attitudes towards corruption. They are very underdeveloped in their respect for hygiene and particularly food safety. They are underdeveloped in their world view still stuck in a 19th century nation building phase (along with North Korea and not many others). They are underdeveloped in their courage to sacrifice for greater positive change in all aspects of their society; how many Thai matrys for progress have you read about? There are almost none. They are extraordinarily underdeveloped in their application and execution of the law. Thais tend to be very weak emotionally unable to properly anticipate, express, discuss and/or reconcile their emotions. They are underdeveloped in their interpretation and execution of Buddhism. It's nearly a farce. They are underdeveloped in their application of the East Asian concept of FACE, hiding behind it rather than allowing it motivate their good actions such as is more common in Korea, and Japan. I could probably cite more... For me, they are underdeveloped (or completely undeveloped) in all the things that form the foundation bedrock of a developed society. They have built a few malls, and import fancy cars and send many of their upper-class kids abroad for education but much of that effort pales in light of all the fundamental areas where they are completely underdeveloped. So, no, Thailand is far and away not a developed nation. This is what I explain to upper class Thais I work with and encounter out and about. Can't discuss with Thais who have never been abroad... they might very well assault you! You sound like a bitter know it all yuppie I am. And, you sound like a .. like a .. real meany head. Cheers Edited March 3, 2013 by PaullyW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartempion Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) Last night (04/03/2013) it rained a bit as of 03am to 08am. I heard the rain and felt good until I really woke up around 04am, in the total dark, no lights on the street. Took them until 08.30 before I spotted a truck from the electricity company checking the poles. At 09 am we got electricity back. This happens every time it rains. (Luckily we did not have rain for 3 months.....) Definitely a Third World Country in my books Edited March 4, 2013 by tartempion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonarax Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 At 80, I don't expect much from any hospital in the world. The UK most likely wouldn't do that operation .... too old. Tommy, im starting to see why your not liked around here. Spend a few days in Bangladesh then when you return to Thailand you'll feel like you are in Singapore! Spend a few days in Singapore, and when you return to Thailand, you'll feel like in Bangladesh! Singapore was founded by the white man.. That's like comparing apples to oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davo01 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I like to think of Thailand as not being a third world country but then you see things like Council workers made to swim in putrid klong water just to collect rubbish, buy them a small boat for christsakes! Even better, make it compulsory work for the filthy corrrupt government ministers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phusingpete Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Just how reliable is this much quoted low unemployment figure of 1% (is it). I have been in Thailand for many years and have never met a Thai who had signed on unemployment,or received unemployment benefit. Where do these statistics come from? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinrada Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Any country where police are asking 6 bucks for a fake traffic fine and you can talk them down to 3, is a third world country. Bit like ...what was the expression...Banana Republic.......Hey Mister Tallyman..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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