Danish Tourists Charged With Sexual Assault In Thailand Released On Bail

[Charlie Cheap]

Making no statement is the right thing to do. They should be demanding to make a call to their embassy and to ask for an attorney.

Been in the cop shop here and all that will do is annoy the hell out of them and keep you waiting for ever. Really wouldn't suggest adopting this approach in Thailand. Be polite and state the facts either way or its gonna be a long hard road you travel down.

Met an English lad who had adopted the approach you suggested over a tiny bit of weed he had in his pocket, he got held for 5 days getting regular kickings until the copper who was dealing with my case asked me to explain to him that if he just admitted to it (which he had no choice anyhow as it was his and in his pocket) he could be bailed, go to court, get a fine and p1ss off back to farangland. I explained, he was out and in a matter of hours, in court the following monday and back to farangland soon after.

Moral of the story don't get caught, but if you do the rules are worlds apart from the west so play the game and don't be a mug.

So you are condoning human rights violations?

Don't bother answering my question, it was rhetorical.

If you do, I'm sure you'll give me some rant about how cool it is to get "regular kickings".

Not cool.

[Rimmer]

Quite unnecessary and disrespectful remark removed

[Tboy928]

Dutch woman, travelling alone. Goes to a bar alone, gets drunk. Goes up to a guy's room who she's just met.

Bright bulb, indeed.

Yeah...totally had it coming, right?!

Well deserved to be raped!

Travelling alone, going to bar alone, getting drunk, having sex with a guy...who does she think she is, expecting not to gang- raped by some manly men, travelling in smaller groups...

What a sad and stupid comment!

Right on the money Doc. There are some sick people in this world.

Story sound little fishy .. if raped as she sayd, she would be terrified and adrenalin reaction would come,, so fall to sleep after that does not add up..

[transam]

Have you ever been pissed. ? No, thought not Professor.

[dcutman]

What is going on here? Another Dutch women allegedly attacked.

PHUKET: -- A Dutch woman who reported to police that she was
raped on Monday while on holiday on Phi Phi Island, near Phuket,
recanted her story yesterday.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/624500-dutch-tourist-retracts-phi-phi-sexual-assault-report/

[Kripe]

What is going on here? Another Dutch women allegedly attacked.

PHUKET: -- A Dutch woman who reported to police that she was

raped on Monday while on holiday on Phi Phi Island, near Phuket,

recanted her story yesterday.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/624500-dutch-tourist-retracts-phi-phi-sexual-assault-report/

At least not the same girl the one in Phi Phi was 25 the one in Chiangmai 23...

Edited March 8, 2013 by Kripe

[Potosi]

Before it's forgotten, some twists. Seems there was no third Danish man, but a Chinese woman in the room. Easy to confuse, I guess. She and the 2nd Dane were in the room before the victim arrived. Seems the victim didn't sleep in the guesthouse, but left about an hour after arrival.

http://scandasia.com/another-side-of-a-gang-rape-story/

"We are pretty sure that there is not a third party involved in the
rape. I don’t know where that claims come from,” says Ramrada
Wongnarongphon or Pingpong, a staff at a guesthouse in Chiang Mai where a
recent ‘gang rape’ case allegedly occurred. She is referring to another
suspect whom a Dutch tourist claimed to have ‘gang raped’ her together
with two Danish nationals.

On February 25, 19-year-old Kasper Pederson and Thomas Jensen from
Denmark arrived at a famed guesthouse, preferred to keep its name
anonymous, in Rajchiangsan district, an area known as bag packers’
heaven in Chiang Mai, the North of Thailand.

The two Danes who flew from Bangkok checked in with Ramrada at 5 p.m.
“I always remember the guests who checked in with me,” she recalls.
“After that, at 6 p.m they had a group meeting with our staff (about a
trekking trip they were scheduled to take the next day). They then asked
me where to go for drinks in town for the night. So I suggested one bar
at a westerners’ nightlife hub near Boonyu Market.”

That was Ramrada’s first encounter with the two Danes – remembering
one of them as “very good looking” – before her work shift ended at
dawn, long before an incident that has put the two tourists in a Thai
public bad light started.

“The next day, the police came to ask us whether we had two guys
named Kasper and Thomas staying here. We said, ‘Yes but they went on a
trip,’” she says. “So the officials went to the rafting and took them
into custody.”

The two Danes were charged of gang raping a Holland girl in early morning on February 26.

The Allegations

According to the police report, the 23-year-old Dutch had come to
visit Chiang Mai alone for several days. She told the police that on the
night of February 25, she went to a bar, and while she was drinking
there, at about 11 p.m. she met a Danish man, and began talking to him.
Later they both went to his room 302 on the 3rd floor, in Rajchiangsaan
district.

When they reached his room, his two Danish friends were already
there. The three men then allegedly subdued and raped her, until each
man reached orgasm. She could not fight against the three men and passed
out. When she woke up in the morning, the three men had gone. So she
went to notify the police and also informed the embassy.

Truth or Fiction?

But the accounts taken by the guesthouse security cameras and its
staff tell otherwise. “We saw (on the cameras) that around midnight
Thomas and the victim walked into the compound. About an hour later, the
victim came down while talking on the phone. She then fell down in
front of our front door,” says Ramrada, pointing out the contradiction
in the victim’s testament that she woke up alone in the room in the
morning.

“After she collapsed she even told our guy who worked here at night to send her home.”

Ramrada says security cameras also confirmed that there’s another
lady in the room. “Kasper brought a Chinese lady to the room before
Thomas and the victim came in. After the victim left, it showed Kasper
walking the Chinese lady back to her place in town.” But that very fact
was not mentioned in the victim’s report to the police and the
unidentified lady had traveled back to her country soon after the
incident.

One fact that is also perplexing to Ramada and the staff is the
existence of the other suspect. “We haven’t seen the picture of the
other man involved. It was their first time in Chiang Mai and even
though we had other Danish male tourists at the time, it was very
unlikely that they were involved in this,” she says.

“I’m trying to be neutral here. Because I’m also a woman. But our
staff can guarantee that the suspect and victim were walking into our
compound in consent.”

Trapped in the city for months to come

“On Feb 28, the two Danes were released on bail by a coordinator from
the Danish Consulate in Thailand,” says Pol. Lt. Col. Saipin Tijjarat,
the detective officer who heads the investigation of this case. The bail
was made at the police station. According to the Thai criminal law, the
bail money for a gang rape case is 350,000 baht per suspect.

After getting bailed out, the suspects attended a ‘criminal
investigation prior to prosecution’ at the Chiang Mai court. “They were
testified before the judge, victim, one witness – assumed to be the
victim’s friend, a lawyer and a translator. The investigation was
requested by the victim as she was expected to leave the country soon
after the incident,” a source who works at the Court says.

“However, according to the law, they are not permitted to travel
outside Chiang Mai and their passports have to be kept at the police
station,” says Pol. Lt. Col. Saipin. “Either the suspects or the
guarantor have to present themselves to the police in every 12 days or
so.” The latest meeting was taken place in March 12.

Pol. Lt. Col Saipin says that further details of the case cannot be
disclosed to the public and the police are now collecting witnesses and
preparing the evidence to be sent to the public prosecutor. “The process
could take up to 6 months. However, we are trying to finish the
investigation in two months,” the policewoman says.

That amount of time does not include the court hearing and its other
processes that could as well take up to another 6 months. “Basically, it
means that the two will be trapped in Chiang Mai for many months to
come,” says Trongyos Taywadej, a local lawyer.

Will they escape?

The detective officer stated that the two suspects are not keen to
talk to the press due to a tendency of stress they are facing. After the
arrest the Danes were portrayed heavily by Thai media as criminals.

“We (investigation team) don’t know their whereabouts, nor had their
contacts. But they contact us regularly to inform that they are in still
Chiang Mai,” Pol. Lt. Col. Saipin says.

When asked whether she feared the possibility of them escaping the
country, the official said: “It is difficult for them to flee the
country because they are now recognisable. The Thai TVs run their story
with a huge public interest.”