What Do The Russians Think Of The Thais?

[thaipod]

Don't know what Russians think of Thais . But my wife was in the bank yesterday doing business and a farang was sitting next to her having difficulty explaing to the staff about a problem he was having with his accounts ( think he was Russian)and a thai guy started slaming him as a Russian say how they had taken over his tour business and caused him to loose his customers . She felt sorry for him .

[Jingthing]

I think Russian is much harder to learn than English and Thailand already has a long history with English. I think this language issue is the key to the Russian entry into taking over incoming tourism market share of Russian speakers and given that Thais in general aren't very keen on foreign language fluency, this isn't likely to change. So if some Thais in tourism are feeling economic resentment about this, that would be natural.

Edited March 18, 2013 by Jingthing

[I Like Thai]

Only met one Russian, it was at an outside beer bar and during our conversation he claimed that 50 years ago over 50% of American households didn't have electricity. The conversation went downhill from that. He was still brainwashed for the old Soviet Union days.

He wasn't too far out, it was about 70 years ago. How long ago did you meet this Russian ?

http://www.greatachievements.org/?id=2990

Successful at building plants to service large concentrated markets, IOUs in the first third of the century made relatively limited forays into rural America, where scattered farm families were isolated by distance from urban generating plants. As the inhabitants of New York, Chicago, and other cities across the country enjoyed the gleaming lights and the new labor-saving devices powered by electricity, life in rural America remained difficult. On 90 percent of American farms the only artificial light came from smoky, fumy lamps. Water had to be pumped by hand and heated over wood-burning stoves. Virtually every chore required manual labor; for many farm wives the most tiresome of all was the seemingly endless backbreaking drudgery of washing and ironing the family's clothes and linens.

In the 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt saw the solution of this hardship as an opportunity to create new jobs, stimulate manufacturing, and begin to pull the nation out of the despair and hopelessness of the Great Depression. On May 11, 1935, he signed an executive order establishing the Rural Electrification Administration (REA). One of the key pieces of Roosevelt's New Deal initiatives, the REA would provide loans and other assistance so that rural cooperatives—basically, groups of farmers—could build and run their own electrical distribution systems.

The model for the system came from an engineer. In 1935, Morris Llewellyn Cooke, a mechanical engineer who had devised efficient rural distribution systems for power companies in New York and Pennsylvania, had written a report that detailed a plan for electrifying the nation's rural regions. Appointed by Roosevelt as the REA's first administrator, Cooke applied an engineer's approach to the problem, instituting what was known at the time as "scientific management"—essentially systems engineering. Rural electrification became one of the most successful government programs ever enacted. Within 2 years it helped bring electricity to some 1.5 million farms through 350 rural cooperatives in 45 of the 48 states. By 1939 the cost of a mile of rural line had dropped from $2,000 to $600. Almost half of all farms were wired by 1942 and virtually all of them by the 1950s.

Getting electric power from where it is generated to customers who need it remains a critical factor in the electrification of the world in general. The basic system on which the electrical supply depends—the power grid—hasn't changed much since its earliest days, except in scale. Power plants equipped with generators convert a source of energy—fossil fuel, falling water, wind, the sun, a nuclear reactor—into electricity. That electrical power is then transmitted through the distribution system to individual buildings, factories, homes, and farms.

[Morakot]

19.5 years ago?

Edited March 18, 2013 by Morakot

[Thakkar]

To be fair the attacks on Asians in Russia are by modern skin head Nazis.

Have they not yet realised that Nazis slaughtered millions upon millions of there people in Russia and the evil Nazi's looked upon slavic people as sub human and now they worship the very people that hated them.

If they were rational (or educated, or sensible), they wouldn't be Skinheads.

T

[h90]

Ridiculous thread.

The Thais think the same about Russians as every other white expat or tourist here in the Kingdom.

They are lumped into the Farang basket along with you, me, and any other anglo person here on a user pay basis.

In fact, that is my biggest gripe about Thailand.

You can be a genius self made millionaire philanthropist, or a Siberian junkie touting photo shoots with stolen monkeys...

You will get exactly the same level of recognition from mainstream Thais...NONE...with the exception of taking your payments

A few Thais are more afraid about Russians as they are Communists..... But it might get slowly common knowledge that something happened over there are that they aren't Commies anymore.

I think you are mistaking the USA with Thailand. The fixation in the past about "The Commies" was in the main an American trait, it didn't really affect other countries to the same degree.

You forget the heavy propaganda and Vietnam war in which Thailand also attacked Vietnam. As well there was a lot fighting between army an Thai Commies.

That Russian = Communist might not be as much as in USA but it is a little bit existing.

Add: And of course no one knows has an idea what communism is.....

Edited March 18, 2013 by h90

[JimmyTheMook]

Don't know what Russians think of Thais . But my wife was in the bank yesterday doing business and a farang was sitting next to her having difficulty explaing to the staff about a problem he was having with his accounts ( think he was Russian)and a thai guy started slaming him as a Russian say how they had taken over his tour business and caused him to loose his customers . She felt sorry for him .

For the Russian ? or the stupid idiot who could not run his own business.

[bangkokrick]

I think Russian is much harder to learn than English and Thailand already has a long history with English. I think this language issue is the key to the Russian entry into taking over incoming tourism market share of Russian speakers and given that Thais in general aren't very keen on foreign language fluency, this isn't likely to change. So if some Thais in tourism are feeling economic resentment about this, that would be natural.

Nail on the head!

[bangkokrick]

Ridiculous thread.

The Thais think the same about Russians as every other white expat or tourist here in the Kingdom.

They are lumped into the Farang basket along with you, me, and any other anglo person here on a user pay basis.

In fact, that is my biggest gripe about Thailand.

You can be a genius self made millionaire philanthropist, or a Siberian junkie touting photo shoots with stolen monkeys...

You will get exactly the same level of recognition from mainstream Thais...NONE...with the exception of taking your payments

A few Thais are more afraid about Russians as they are Communists..... But it might get slowly common knowledge that something happened over there are that they aren't Commies anymore.

I think you are mistaking the USA with Thailand. The fixation in the past about "The Commies" was in the main an American trait, it didn't really affect other countries to the same degree.

You forget the heavy propaganda and Vietnam war in which Thailand also attacked Vietnam. As well there was a lot fighting between army an Thai Commies.

That Russian = Communist might not be as much as in USA but it is a little bit existing.

Add: And of course no one knows has an idea what communism is.....

Communism today is where 2% of the population own 98% of the wealth. The rest have Jack shit. I think that this applies to all so called communist Countries today.

[rene123]

h90 quote = "And of course no one knows has an idea what communism is"

We do know what communism is. It is supposed to be where everyone works together for the benefit of everyone but that is not what happens because of the frailities of mankind. We also know that what is called communism in China and North Korea, is not communism at all. They are dictatorships disguised as being for the people's own good. The old Soviet Union was the same. Communism doesn't work because there are no rewards for hard work or creative thinking. It brings everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Capitalism in its purest form also doesn't work because it allows a few to manipulate the system to put all the money in the hands of a few. There needs to be a bit of socialism mixed in with capitalism to balance it out so everyone has a share. Of course, making it all work smoothly is the problem every free country faces. There is always a few that keep their hands in the cooky jar for too long.

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[cgphuket]

Ridiculous thread.

The Thais think the same about Russians as every other white expat or tourist here in the Kingdom.

They are lumped into the Farang basket along with you, me, and any other anglo person here on a user pay basis.

In fact, that is my biggest gripe about Thailand.

You can be a genius self made millionaire philanthropist, or a Siberian junkie touting photo shoots with stolen monkeys...

You will get exactly the same level of recognition from mainstream Thais...NONE...with the exception of taking your payments

Actually, every Thai I have spoken with say they do not like Russians, and they can list the reasons why. This might be different away from the tourist spots, but on the islands and beaches, Russians are seen as cheap, rude, and arrogant thugs; according to the locals...

[Berkshire]

h90 quote = "And of course no one knows has an idea what communism is"

We do know what communism is. It is supposed to be where everyone works together for the benefit of everyone but that is not what happens because of the frailities of mankind. We also know that what is called communism in China and North Korea, is not communism at all. They are dictatorships disguised as being for the people's own good. The old Soviet Union was the same. Communism doesn't work because there are no rewards for hard work or creative thinking. It brings everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Capitalism in its purest form also doesn't work because it allows a few to manipulate the system to put all the money in the hands of a few. There needs to be a bit of socialism mixed in with capitalism to balance it out so everyone has a share. Of course, making it all work smoothly is the problem every free country faces. There is always a few that keep their hands in the cooky jar for too long.

Exactly. True communism or even socialism doesn't exist today, if it ever has. In theory, they are systems based on equality and the collective good. Unfortunately, mankind has not evolved to the level which could effectively sustain this system. Everyone would have to have reached the "self-actualization" stage of Maslow's pyramid. But humans are inherently greedy and selfish, not to mention lazy and ignorant. Massive corruption exist in these so-called socialist societies. Even China, given their confusing economic structure, coupled with their new found wealth, has been seeing epic corruption which we will be hearing more and more about.

Capitalism is certainly not perfect and honestly, possibly inferior to communism. But it's the more appropriate system today based on, as you say, the moral weakness of humans in general.

Edited March 19, 2013 by Berkshire

[mrtoad]

Had a huge influx of them onto Koh Chang in the past 2 years. Their general reputation is very poor with the locals. Complaints range from - not spending money ( a lot of their trips are all organised through Russian firms), prefer to go and buy Whiskey or Vodka from 7/11 than go to local places, rude, loud, aggressive, often very drunk, culturally insensitive(wearing speedos or ill fitting swimsuits in shops etc, isn't good form), sense of entitlement. Whilst, other countries idiots also often fit the above criteria - it appears here, that the Russians are leading the way at present.

Edited March 19, 2013 by mrtoad

[pmarlin]

Only met one Russian, it was at an outside beer bar and during our conversation he claimed that 50 years ago over 50% of American households didn't have electricity. The conversation went downhill from that. He was still brainwashed for the old Soviet Union days.

He wasn't too far out, it was about 70 years ago. How long ago did you meet this Russian ?

http://www.greatachievements.org/?id=2990

Successful at building plants to service large concentrated markets, IOUs in the first third of the century made relatively limited forays into rural America, where scattered farm families were isolated by distance from urban generating plants. As the inhabitants of New York, Chicago, and other cities across the country enjoyed the gleaming lights and the new labor-saving devices powered by electricity, life in rural America remained difficult. On 90 percent of American farms the only artificial light came from smoky, fumy lamps. Water had to be pumped by hand and heated over wood-burning stoves. Virtually every chore required manual labor; for many farm wives the most tiresome of all was the seemingly endless backbreaking drudgery of washing and ironing the family's clothes and linens.[/size]

In the 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt saw the solution of this hardship as an opportunity to create new jobs, stimulate manufacturing, and begin to pull the nation out of the despair and hopelessness of the Great Depression. On May 11, 1935, he signed an executive order establishing the Rural Electrification Administration (REA). One of the key pieces of Roosevelt's New Deal initiatives, the REA would provide loans and other assistance so that rural cooperatives—basically, groups of farmers—could build and run their own electrical distribution systems.

The model for the system came from an engineer. In 1935, Morris Llewellyn Cooke, a mechanical engineer who had devised efficient rural distribution systems for power companies in New York and Pennsylvania, had written a report that detailed a plan for electrifying the nation's rural regions. Appointed by Roosevelt as the REA's first administrator, Cooke applied an engineer's approach to the problem, instituting what was known at the time as "scientific management"—essentially systems engineering. Rural electrification became one of the most successful government programs ever enacted. Within 2 years it helped bring electricity to some 1.5 million farms through 350 rural cooperatives in 45 of the 48 states. By 1939 the cost of a mile of rural line had dropped from $2,000 to $600. Almost half of all farms were wired by 1942 and virtually all of them by the 1950s.

Getting electric power from where it is generated to customers who need it remains a critical factor in the electrification of the world in general. The basic system on which the electrical supply depends—the power grid—hasn't changed much since its earliest days, except in scale. Power plants equipped with generators convert a source of energy—fossil fuel, falling water, wind, the sun, a nuclear reactor—into electricity. That electrical power is then transmitted through the distribution system to individual buildings, factories, homes, and farms.

do your math, this was over 80 years ago and by 1952, according to the source you provided. almost all had electricity which is over 60 years and beside the source above is about rural areas if the urban areas were included a much different story

[FunFon]

And I'm sure many US nationals still have misconceptions about Russians. It can be said that many US nationals are brainwashed too, with their vivid conspiracy theories about 9/11, or the nutty "birthers" on the loose or the insistence that aliens visit US trailer parks where they engage in anal probes of the morbidly obese. Ignorance knows no national or cultural boundaries and can be found everywhere.

-

Completely agree with the insanity of most of the above examples, but would like to point out that these don't illustrate the idea of "brainwashing" as accurately as the example of those who simply accept the mainstream view of "truth" and "reality".

Ideas like

* the banking and currency systems are being well managed by knowledgeable experts

* mainstream medical science led by the pharmaceutical industry is the best source for health advice

* foreign and military policies are designed to protect the interests of the people as a whole

* official explanations about why the US is going to war should be taken at face value

are IMO much more indicative of effective brainwashing than the fringe ideas

[TommoPhysicist]

My racial stereotyping has suffered a few blows since moving to Thailand.

Met loads of Russians, most of them are Asian, not white Euros as portrayed by western media.

Met loads of Chinese, most tall and slim with very white skin, not squat and yellow as portrayed by western media.

Beginning to think what the Tv and Movies showed me in my home country is not reality.

[bonobo]

Ridiculous thread.

The Thais think the same about Russians as every other white expat or tourist here in the Kingdom.

They are lumped into the Farang basket along with you, me, and any other anglo person here on a user pay basis.

In fact, that is my biggest gripe about Thailand.

You can be a genius self made millionaire philanthropist, or a Siberian junkie touting photo shoots with stolen monkeys...

You will get exactly the same level of recognition from mainstream Thais...NONE...with the exception of taking your payments

Actually, every Thai I have spoken with say they do not like Russians, and they can list the reasons why. This might be different away from the tourist spots, but on the islands and beaches, Russians are seen as cheap, rude, and arrogant thugs; according to the locals...

I realize this is the opposite of the OP's question (what do Russians think of Thais, not what do Thais think of Russians), but I have a friend who works at the Banyan Tree in Phuket as a butler. She loves the Russians. Maybe it is different for those who can afford to spend that much for a night in one of the cabanas, but she told me they tip the best and treat her the best, not as a servant.

As to the OP's question, I have traveled extensively across the breadth of Russia and spent a good deal of time there. As a very rough generalization, Russians tend to be fond of brand names, they like their drink and to host dinners, are gregarious, and they tend a bit to the prejudiced side with regards to Africans and Asians. In the west, at least, particularly in St Petersburg and Karelia, they tend to think of themselves as a little more civilized than most people (except for the French). (I did not observe this last to any great extent from the Urals to Vladivostok.) Given that. I would imagine that many Russians might tend to look a bit down upon Thais.

I realize this is a vast generalization, and people vary tremendously within a culture (or cultures, as exist in Russia.) And much of the same can be said of people from most nations. I would imagine that some people from the US, the UK, Germany, Australia, Canada, Japan, Korea, China, Brazil, Nigeria,...(you get the picture) also look a bit down upon Thais. And there are Thais who look a bit down upon everyone else. I've had Thais criticize cultural practices in the US, and even as an American, I've had to agree with their logic on those issues.

[phuturatica]

Obviously I am not Russian but my guess is that they don't think too badly of the Thais or else they wouldn't come to Thailand right?

I guess sometimes there is a language barrier as some Russians cannot speak English or Thai but I guess that applies to everyone who cannot speak English or Thai.

[Commander Tamson]

I think they think that Thai people like tem to go around public areas in ill fitting speedos

Did you miss this part of the OP?

" I thought that some of our Russian members could shed some light." If you're a Russian member, disregard this reply.

Hey! Lighten up man! That was a really funny post

[rsokolowski]

Ridiculous thread.

The Thais think the same about Russians as every other white expat or tourist here in the Kingdom.

They are lumped into the Farang basket along with you, me, and any other anglo person here on a user pay basis.

In fact, that is my biggest gripe about Thailand.

You can be a genius self made millionaire philanthropist, or a Siberian junkie touting photo shoots with stolen monkeys...

You will get exactly the same level of recognition from mainstream Thais...NONE...with the exception of taking your payments

A few Thais are more afraid about Russians as they are Communists..... But it might get slowly common knowledge that something happened over there are that they aren't Commies anymore.

They are still commies, just commies that like to make money.

[submaniac]

Thank you for your thoughtful post, Bonobo. This is sort of what I was trying to get after. I just wanted honest opinions. I have met/known Russians--but it's like I never know if I'm getting an honest opinion. It's like if you really hate Thai people, black people, Latino people or whatever, you're not going to say "you know I really hate..." to their face. Anonymous board on the other hand.... And my curiousity is like what Photuratica has said...if you hate a country why are you travelling there? I don't like Iran. I don't travel to Iran. If you don't like Thai people why take a trip to Thailand?

I tend to agree with your opinion. I would also add I think they do have this cultural thing where they don't like appearing soft or weak. It may come off as rudeness, but it's not intended. I also think that negative perception of Russians comes from experiences with lower socio-economic class. The budget Russian tourist is not going to be as polite and civilized as the wealthy Russian tourist to the same extent that the lager lout/bogan/chav/american redneck is not going to be as polite and civilized as Prince William. Socio economic class is socio-economic class.

[simple1]

Thank you for your thoughtful post, Bonobo. This is sort of what I was trying to get after. I just wanted honest opinions. I have met/known Russians--but it's like I never know if I'm getting an honest opinion. It's like if you really hate Thai people, black people, Latino people or whatever, you're not going to say "you know I really hate..." to their face. Anonymous board on the other hand.... And my curiousity is like what Photuratica has said...if you hate a country why are you travelling there? I don't like Iran. I don't travel to Iran. If you don't like Thai people why take a trip to Thailand?

I tend to agree with your opinion. I would also add I think they do have this cultural thing where they don't like appearing soft or weak. It may come off as rudeness, but it's not intended. I also think that negative perception of Russians comes from experiences with lower socio-economic class. The budget Russian tourist is not going to be as polite and civilized as the wealthy Russian tourist to the same extent that the lager lout/bogan/chav/american redneck is not going to be as polite and civilized as Prince William. Socio economic class is socio-economic class.

The so called upper classes are usually quite subtle in their prejudice. Prejudice just becomes courser and more obvious as it peculates through other strata of society.

[FunFon]

I think the whole idea of "coarse" vs "refined" is just an example of prejudice when applied to human beings and their behaviour. "Classist" as opposed to racist.

I prefer more straightforward terms like "kind", "patient", "considerate" and "tolerant" etc. and of course their opposites.

[lannarebirth]

Ridiculous thread.

The Thais think the same about Russians as every other white expat or tourist here in the Kingdom.

They are lumped into the Farang basket along with you, me, and any other anglo person here on a user pay basis.

In fact, that is my biggest gripe about Thailand.

You can be a genius self made millionaire philanthropist, or a Siberian junkie touting photo shoots with stolen monkeys...

You will get exactly the same level of recognition from mainstream Thais...NONE...with the exception of taking your payments

Actually, every Thai I have spoken with say they do not like Russians, and they can list the reasons why. This might be different away from the tourist spots, but on the islands and beaches, Russians are seen as cheap, rude, and arrogant thugs; according to the locals...

I realize this is the opposite of the OP's question (what do Russians think of Thais, not what do Thais think of Russians), but I have a friend who works at the Banyan Tree in Phuket as a butler. She loves the Russians. Maybe it is different for those who can afford to spend that much for a night in one of the cabanas, but she told me they tip the best and treat her the best, not as a servant.

As to the OP's question, I have traveled extensively across the breadth of Russia and spent a good deal of time there. As a very rough generalization, Russians tend to be fond of brand names, they like their drink and to host dinners, are gregarious, and they tend a bit to the prejudiced side with regards to Africans and Asians. In the west, at least, particularly in St Petersburg and Karelia, they tend to think of themselves as a little more civilized than most people (except for the French). (I did not observe this last to any great extent from the Urals to Vladivostok.) Given that. I would imagine that many Russians might tend to look a bit down upon Thais.

I realize this is a vast generalization, and people vary tremendously within a culture (or cultures, as exist in Russia.) And much of the same can be said of people from most nations. I would imagine that some people from the US, the UK, Germany, Australia, Canada, Japan, Korea, China, Brazil, Nigeria,...(you get the picture) also look a bit down upon Thais. And there are Thais who look a bit down upon everyone else. I've had Thais criticize cultural practices in the US, and even as an American, I've had to agree with their logic on those issues.

First off, I've no idea what Russians think of Thais, but given the tone of this thread I'll come to their defense. I studied Russian as a boy and have met hundreds of Russians since, though none in Thailand. I like'em. I like their passion, their literacy and their sometimes boistrousness. I've met dozens professionally and I liked every one of them.

[lannarebirth]

I think Russian is much harder to learn than English and Thailand already has a long history with English. I think this language issue is the key to the Russian entry into taking over incoming tourism market share of Russian speakers and given that Thais in general aren't very keen on foreign language fluency, this isn't likely to change. So if some Thais in tourism are feeling economic resentment about this, that would be natural.

IMO if one is not from a country that does not have a Latin based language, Russian is just as easy, if not easier to learn than English.

[MrWorldwide]

Yup - anal probes of the morbidly obese : just when I thought this thread couldnt get any worse, it did.

[lannarebirth]

Yup - anal probes of the morbidly obese : just when I thought this thread couldnt get any worse, it did.

Apparently you've missed my contribution.

[MrWorldwide]

Caught a bus from Patts back to Swampy last Feb and had the misfortune to find myself sitting near two Poms who spent the entire trip - and I mean every minute - bitching about the number of Russian tourists at their hotel and everywhere they went in Pattaya. They bitched about the signs in Russian, about the Thais speaking Russian, and on and bloody on. The cracker came towards the end of this interminable trip when one Pom turned to the other and said 'Mate, if it's like this next time, I wont be coming back to Pattaya !'. The definition of insanity is repeating an identical sequence and expecting a different result, but that was lost on my Brit friends - they were clearly in 'the zone' and loving every minute of it. Intensely glad I wasnt on the same flight.

[krisb]

This is getting racist. Should be closed before it gets bad. Sorry op