Maggie Thatcher Is Dead.

[citizen33]

Just for a little balance:

The chart shows a near constant upward trend in average household incomes since the war, which we might expect with economic growth (and North Sea oil).

Surely balance would mean putting this beside a chart showing the distribution of income, with the gini co-efficent graph getting noticeable steeper in the Thatcher/Major years.

http://www.economicpopulist.org/files/u1/giniushouseholds.jpg

Edited April 12, 2013 by citizen33

[lannarebirth]

Just for a little balance:

The chart shows a near constant upward trend in average household incomes since the war, which we might expect with economic growth (and North Sea oil).

Surely balance would mean putting this beside a chart showing the distribution of income, with the gini co-efficent graph getting noticeable steeper in the Thatcher/Major years.

http://www.economicpopulist.org/files/u1/giniushouseholds.jpg

The assertion was that her policies made people poorer. The chart shows that in the aggregate that simply isn't true. If you want to claim that people of limited education are beginning to fall behind income wise, I'm not going to argue with you. It's been happening everywhere and has nothing to do with Thatcher.

[Rajab Al Zarahni]

A victory for decency!

I have just heard it announced on BBC Radio 4 that BBC Radio 1 will not be playing the song: " Ding dong the wicked witch is dead" in their charts programme on Sunday but will feature a clip of the song in their news bulletin.

[beautifulthailand99]

Her legacy and the reaction to her death by a sizeable minority in the UK is now making headlines over here. I personally find this gloating puerile and conterproductive but there is no doubt it is happening and there are talks of riots possible happening at the weekend or during and following the funeral .I sincerely hope this doesn't happen but this is part of the current UK political landscape. Maggie would have loved the furore and impact her death was having and would bat away any defenders of her name as being uneccessary. I certainly prefer her to her heir Tony Blair.Thankfully we still have freedom of speech in the UK .

Edited April 12, 2013 by beautifulthailand99

[Baloo22]

Reading through some of the tirades castigating Prime Minister Thatcher has caused me some confusion on the form of governance in Great Britain. I was not aware that she had such dictatorial powers that she could do all these "evil" things all by herself! And here I thought that the Prime Minister had a cabinet of ministers that also were involved in the governing the country. I also thought that Great Britain had a Parliament that had something to do with passing laws and governing the country. I must have missed the news articles and announcement that the government had become a dictatorship during that time!

I'm from the other side of the pond and I lived through the dismal years of President Jimmy "The Failure" Carter. I consider his performance to one of weakness, incompetence, and failure from beginning to it's merciful end. Even so, when he passes on I will feel no compulsion to dance on his grave or hold parties to celebrate his death. In the end he was still a President of the United States of America. And to participate in parties to celebrate his death would say a lot more about me than it would about him. And I will hold myself to the same standard if I am still around when President Obama dies, even with all the damage that he is doing to the U.S.

In the end; all these people holding parties and rejoicing in Prime Minister Thatcher's death are saying far more about their own character than they are about Ms. Thatcher!

[wooloomooloo]

The whole point of selling auto / biography is to sell big in a short space of time. It's not the same as a musical anthem that will draw in royalties for decades to come.

That it ends up in pound baskets after eighteen months means little to its initial phenomena. Money was made.

[Boon Mee]

This is real class - not!

Margaret Thatcher funeral: protesters plan to line streets and 'turn their backs' on casket

Protesters plan to line the streets by St Paul's Cathedral on Wednesday so they can "turn their backs" on Baroness Thatcher's casket,

Hope They Arrest The Whole Sorry Lot

[wooloomooloo]

Boon Mee, good stuff. A punch up on Ludgate Hill with the police beating protesters like they were miners.

It's not going to happen. There'll be top security for our guests and that will be that and quite right too.

If the idiots want a scrap they'll have to try Trafalgar Square.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts deleted as well as replies. If you for an expanded discussion of Lady Thatcher's policies, I suggest you post in this thread:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/632380-lady-thatcher;-good-pm-or-bad/

[Chicog]

This is real class - not!

Margaret Thatcher funeral: protesters plan to line streets and 'turn their backs' on casket

Protesters plan to line the streets by St Paul's Cathedral on Wednesday so they can "turn their backs" on Baroness Thatcher's casket,

Hope They Arrest The Whole Sorry Lot

So peaceful protest is illegal now is it?

[SteeleJoe]

This is real class - not!

Margaret Thatcher funeral: protesters plan to line streets and 'turn their backs' on casket

Protesters plan to line the streets by St Paul's Cathedral on Wednesday so they can "turn their backs" on Baroness Thatcher's casket,

Hope They Arrest The Whole Sorry Lot

Actually, that is quite classy. They would be presumably be, in a country among those that led the way in democracy and civil rights, within their rights to wave signs and shout angrily etc but instead do this...

and as for the last line...SERIOUSLY?! You actually want people arrested for that? That is truly twisted. (To even wish that you lived in such a place where that was possible, would be really f***ed up.)

Edited April 13, 2013 by SteeleJoe

[Chicog]

I did laugh at this:

Thatcher: No Silence At Football Matches

News > National News
4:10am 13th April 2013.

Baroness Thatcher will not be formally remembered at football matches this weekend despite calls from some club chairmen and former footballers.

Following her death on Monday, Reading chairman John Madejski and Wigan Athletic boss Dave Whelan suggested that a minute's silence should be held at games as a mark of respect.

Sir Bobby Charlton also joined calls for a formal remembrance in her honour.

But the Premier League, Football League and Football Association have decided not to, with the FA stating they are an "apolitical organisation" and it is not their policy to honour political figures.

As if they'd get a minute's silence ( or even applause! ). Guaranteed sing song of "Ding Dong The Witch is Dead"!

http://www.thebee.co.uk/news/national-news/945063/thatcher-no-silence-at-football-matches/

And apparently Northumbria police have said they will not permit fascist salutes at the Tyne and Wear Derby.

That will upset her supporters.

Edited April 13, 2013 by Chicog

[geriatrickid]

Hoorah! The wicked witch is dead.

I find it hard to feel anything but joy at the death of someone who so callously destroyed whole communities and the lives of millions...

Mrs. Thatcher did not destroy any communities. Rather, those communities were dead or dying long before she arrived. The communities were akin to people in a vegetative state, on a respirator and feeding tube with no brain activity. Instead of wasting hundreds of millions on what could not be fixed, the money was better used to support those parts of society that were moving the country forward. Sorry, but if you think that the closure of polluting, obsolete coal mines was catastrophic, then perhaps you should consider that the life expectancies of the people in those communities have actually increased, and the UK carbon footprint has been reduced. More importantly, those dead and dying industries were replaced by new and innovative activities that gave young people a future. Not everyone wanted to work in a filthy coal pit or at a textile plant with equipment form the previous century

[Neeranam]

This is real class - not!

Margaret Thatcher funeral: protesters plan to line streets and 'turn their backs' on casket

Protesters plan to line the streets by St Paul's Cathedral on Wednesday so they can "turn their backs" on Baroness Thatcher's casket,

Hope They Arrest The Whole Sorry Lot

Arrested for what?

Sorry lot? A bit better than 'street vermin', that you called those opposed to Thatcher's policies before. You very conveniently forgot to answer my question (post 422).

I think that it's important not to let another evil regime occur again. Let the youngsters today know the truth. Also, important to let older people become aware of the truth.

Edited April 13, 2013 by Neeranam

[Neeranam]

More photos of street vermin like this here

Thatcher 'Death Parties' indeed.

I'd be taking apart in some of these celebrations if I were in the UK.What surprises me is the picture of some young girls - they weren't alive when Thatcher was in power.

Thatcher divided a country for sure - but to call one half, 'vermin' says a lot about you. Are the 'street vermin' in all the photos or just some? Even Thatcher, wouldn't degrade herself to call the Left 'street vermin'.

I agree with you,is does pose the question of why these young people have so much hate against Thacher?when they can't have been old enough to have any interest in Politics while Thatcher was in office. Perhaps its been handed down from families,or maybe they are protesting for perceived effects on their lives,such as poverty,and the bleak run down bomb site type areas they are forced to live in,to name but two possibilities?

These young people are not 'protesting' due to any feelings about Thatcher, handed down from their families or otherwise. You only had to listen to the moron being interviewed on the Jeremy Vine show (by Jane Garvey) this lunchtime. His knowledge of Thatcher and her government was lamentable, as his blaming her for invading Iraq shows.

The other guest on that interview was an ex miner who had been on the picket lines during Scargill's strike. He said that even though he had personally suffered at the time, he felt such 'parties' were wholly inappropriate.

It is obvious that the 'protesters' are made up of two groups

• The usual SWP troublemakers.
• Naive youngsters who think any excuse for a drunken party is acceptable.

.

You'd make a good politician!

You pick one moron being interviewed - if you think ALL the protesters are like this you are VERY mistaken.

One ex-miner says it inappropriate !!!! <deleted> man can't you see the power of the media. Is it just chance that the one in a hundred was interviewed???

A lot of gullible, brainwashed by the media types on this thread. Look at the facts.

Edited April 13, 2013 by Neeranam

[bdenner]

May have been said BUT I'll do it again:

What a sad indictment on free living people, IMHO there is no call for this type of bullshlt no matter what ones political persuasion may be.

Shame on these idiots, just shows their mentality dragging out a 40 year old song to put crap on this respected lady in her death. NOT a one of em would have the balls to pull this sort of stunt to her face.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-13/w ... ts/4627024

[Chicog]

NOT a one of em would have the balls to pull this sort of stunt to her face.

What a ridiculous thing to say. Of course they would, and often did. She was reviled by a large section of the population whether you like it or not.

[7by7]

Reviled by a large section of the population?

OK, she never achieved more than 50% of the vote in any of her election victories; no PM ever has. Most voters in the UK always vote for the same party regardless, UK elections are won or lost by the votes of the so called floating voters.

There were, and still are, many who disagreed with her policies, but to say she was reviled by a large section of the population is ridiculous.

Reviled by a very small but very vocal minority is closer to the truth.

[Chicog]

Reviled by a large section of the population?

OK, she never achieved more than 50% of the vote in any of her election victories; no PM ever has. Most voters in the UK always vote for the same party regardless, UK elections are won or lost by the votes of the so called floating voters.

There were, and still are, many who disagreed with her policies, but to say she was reviled by a large section of the population is ridiculous.

Reviled by a very small but very vocal minority is closer to the truth.

I would call millions a large section of the population. Obviously you consider that an insignificant number.

[lannarebirth]

I'd be taking apart in some of these celebrations if I were in the UK.What surprises me is the picture of some young girls - they weren't alive when Thatcher was in power.

Thatcher divided a country for sure - but to call one half, 'vermin' says a lot about you. Are the 'street vermin' in all the photos or just some? Even Thatcher, wouldn't degrade herself to call the Left 'street vermin'.

I agree with you,is does pose the question of why these young people have so much hate against Thacher?when they can't have been old enough to have any interest in Politics while Thatcher was in office. Perhaps its been handed down from families,or maybe they are protesting for perceived effects on their lives,such as poverty,and the bleak run down bomb site type areas they are forced to live in,to name but two possibilities?

These young people are not 'protesting' due to any feelings about Thatcher, handed down from their families or otherwise. You only had to listen to the moron being interviewed on the Jeremy Vine show (by Jane Garvey) this lunchtime. His knowledge of Thatcher and her government was lamentable, as his blaming her for invading Iraq shows.

The other guest on that interview was an ex miner who had been on the picket lines during Scargill's strike. He said that even though he had personally suffered at the time, he felt such 'parties' were wholly inappropriate.

It is obvious that the 'protesters' are made up of two groups

• The usual SWP troublemakers.
• Naive youngsters who think any excuse for a drunken party is acceptable.

.

You'd make a good politician!

You pick one moron being interviewed - if you think ALL the protesters are like this you are VERY mistaken.

One ex-miner says it inappropriate !!!! <deleted> man can't you see the power of the media. Is it just chance that the one in a hundred was interviewed???

A lot of gullible, brainwashed by the media types on this thread. Look at the facts.

I'm always surprised by what little regard the so called "sympathizers" hold their people in, No good for nothing but mining, eh? My, you must hold them in high regard!

[7by7]

Reviled by a large section of the population?

OK, she never achieved more than 50% of the vote in any of her election victories; no PM ever has. Most voters in the UK always vote for the same party regardless, UK elections are won or lost by the votes of the so called floating voters.

There were, and still are, many who disagreed with her policies, but to say she was reviled by a large section of the population is ridiculous.

Reviled by a very small but very vocal minority is closer to the truth.

I would call millions a large section of the population. Obviously you consider that an insignificant number.

Millions?

Where do you get that figure from?

Don't say it's the millions that didn't vote for her; as already said most people in the UK vote for the same party time after time, regardless.

Also, as said, most of those who actively disagreed with her policies did not revile her, as the tributes since her death from most of her political opponents at the time have shown.

[SteeleJoe]

Millions?

Where do you get that figure from?

Don't say it's the millions that didn't vote for her; as already said most people in the UK vote for the same party time after time, regardless.

Also, as said, most of those who actively disagreed with her policies did not revile her, as the tributes since her death from most of her political opponents at the time have shown.

Surely someone as divisive as she was, is reviled by at least 10% of the country and probably somewhat more.

That's millions.

Edited April 13, 2013 by SteeleJoe

[7by7]

Where do you get this 10% figure from?

Remember that revulsion is totally diffrent to disagree with and oppose.

Edited April 13, 2013 by 7by7

[Exsexyman]

Where do you get this 10% figure from?

Remember that revulsion is totally diffrent to disagree with and oppose.

You are in total denial.

[lannarebirth]

Millions?

Where do you get that figure from?

Don't say it's the millions that didn't vote for her; as already said most people in the UK vote for the same party time after time, regardless.

Also, as said, most of those who actively disagreed with her policies did not revile her, as the tributes since her death from most of her political opponents at the time have shown.

Surely someone as divisive as she was, is reviled by at least 10% of the country and probably somewhat more.

That's millions.

That's hysterical woman logic.

[7by7]

Where do you get this 10% figure from?

Remember that revulsion is totally diffrent to disagree with and oppose.

You are in total denial.

That is your argument?

Pathetic.

[SteeleJoe]

That's hysterical woman logic.

What's that post supposed to be? Ad hominem? Insulting me for no reason at all other than you assume I'm on the side of those who reviled PM Thatcher?

If so, that's pathetic.

Or is it just a misogynistic way of saying the logic isn't sound - if so, enlighten me with your rational manly insights.

Edited April 13, 2013 by SteeleJoe

[SteeleJoe]

Where do you get this 10% figure from?

Remember that revulsion is totally diffrent to disagree with and oppose.

It's a hypothesis (which I would have thought obvious from the way the post was written). You feel convinced that it's not even that many? Fair enough. I'd bet you are wrong. (I would bet you could find nearly 10% who reviled almost any major figure.)

[7by7]

So, it's a guess with no rationale to back it up.

I would bet you could find considerably more than 10% who reviled any major figure; depending on who and how many you asked.

Lies, damned lies and statistics!

Edited April 13, 2013 by 7by7

[Exsexyman]

So, it's a guess with no rationale to back it up.

I would bet you could find considerably more than 10% who reviled any major figure; depending on who and how many you asked.

Lies, damned lies and statistics!

As is your argument that only a tiny minority despised her.