British Police Getting Ready For Disruptions At Margaret Thatcher's Funeral Procession

[Chicog]

Then there's the antipathy towards women who say that Thatcher was a role model for women, while others scoff at and attack these women who cite Thatcher as a feminist sort of strong woman, and again, others say Thatcher was as anti-feminist as a staunch chauvinist. Is there also not the same resentment towards this deceased female politician precisely because it is a woman who did the dirty work, and like a witch burning ceremony, she gets all the blame because hating women who are powerful is ingrained into our culture(s).

That's a complete crock. If anything she was anti-feminism as on more than one occasion she condemned women who chose to go to work rather than stay at home and look after the children.

And I don't recall a flurry of women in cabinet positions under her autocratic rule.

[beautifulthailand99]

Have searched youtube with Harold Wilson , James Callaghan and Edward Heath's funerals - not a sausage - these were private affairs attended by their friends and families and were given the respect and dignity they deserved. Cameron has misjudged this one and is spending a great deal of public money on who is still such a divisive figure in recent British history. A lot of her magic was as a result of the North Sea oil which began to flow in earnest during her 'reign' - she had £200 billion quid over and above what she would have had without the oil. No one can doubt her image and persona but her supposed economic prowess was more due to an injection of easy cash than any far sighted political and economic reforms. Cameron is hoping that a bit of the polish from the Iron Lady will rub off on him electorally - he is wrong - he is on the way to a historic election loss.

[exeter]

It was the previous Labour government who started the ball rolling about her funeral, she had her imput too but they, for all their follies recognized what a towering political fugure she was in the UK, so all you anti Thatcher people who do you represent, where are your roots, old labour? Yesterdays's heros? Time change and things move on the future is ahead of us, the past you debate as you have, time to move on. Lets have a good funeral, if there can be such a thing and stop trying to change history, history is written by the winners, not the losers whether you like it or not thats why there are few pages missing in French history.

[wigantojapan]

The headline in 1984 could have been police getting ready for disruptions at Orgreave

The headline in 1985 could have been police getting ready for disruptions at Beanfield

Maybe there was a headline i dont know as i never read the newspapers

what i do know is these 2 events changed my perception on how i viewed the police force

Well before i was brought up to believe to respect the police and the police been the up holders of peace and order,

These 2 events changed that as news that filtered through of what had actually happened from people who were there rather than the heavily edited news at 10 version of events became known

The true events were later presented in a court of law and in both cases the police were found out to be the instigators of the violence and had propocated and fabricated evidence .

All the accused in both court cases were found NOT GUILTY.

Regarding both events Thatcher made sything accusations of the people attending which was picked up by the media and fed the myth of yobs for years .

The enemy within as Thatcher said we came to realise was the police itself

Even today i believe you are starting to hear from former policemen the true events

Even today i can bet there are people who lived through these events no nothing or little about them and for some who do dont care

what these 2 events ushered in was The Public Order Law which a part of was as some people have pointed out was 6 pickets had to have prior permission,that is incorrect it was 6 persons,and these laws were intepretated in various degrees in various police forces.

It also led to the Riot act being enforced .

The effect of that law can still be felt today.

Again 2 of many events linked to Thatcher and Police and the tactics used then and the tactics used now to control or monitor the crowd will be the same only now it comes under health and safety .

So again it caused a lot of anguish in a young mind whho believed in the honesty and integrity of the police and i was shocked to know that the Government knew all about it and covered it up.

In these days you did not have the instant video evidence which people have now so the News couldnt publish vastly distorted lies basically to a unenquiring even uncaring public,but then we did still have human contact and a lot of groups were and i mean peace groups were fighting peacefully to be heard and to get justice

Thatcher politisied the democractic right of each and everyone... the right to demonstate

That has been proven again and again by a range of highly qualified professional as well as what was known by the man and woman on the street.

People have made comments on this thread about young mindless drunk people who know nothing about what is going on, attending the demonstration on Saturday

Likewise the same mindset said the same in the late 70s onwards

Again it took educated people and even Lords for the common persons voice to be heard and believed.

shame for the people who didnt care.

shame for the people who believed all the propoganda

but like the mian man said forgive them because they dont know what they have done

But thank you Margaret Thatcher for introducing me to the real world and how the establishment works

Never learnt that at school.

Fast forward almost 30 odd years ,just different players ,but same cover ups

[beautifulthailand99]

The headline in 1984 could have been police getting ready for disruptions at Orgreave

The headline in 1985 could have been police getting ready for disruptions at Beanfield

Maybe there was a headline i dont know as i never read the newspapers

what i do know is these 2 events changed my perception on how i viewed the police force

Well before i was brought up to believe to respect the police and the police been the up holders of peace and order,

These 2 events changed that as news that filtered through of what had actually happened from people who were there rather than the heavily edited news at 10 version of events became known

The true events were later presented in a court of law and in both cases the police were found out to be the instigators of the violence and had propocated and fabricated evidence .

All the accused in both court cases were found NOT GUILTY.

Regarding both events Thatcher made sything accusations of the people attending which was picked up by the media and fed the myth of yobs for years .

The enemy within as Thatcher said we came to realise was the police itself

Even today i believe you are starting to hear from former policemen the true events

Even today i can bet there are people who lived through these events no nothing or little about them and for some who do dont care

what these 2 events ushered in was The Public Order Law which a part of was as some people have pointed out was 6 pickets had to have prior permission,that is incorrect it was 6 persons,and these laws were intepretated in various degrees in various police forces.

It also led to the Riot act being enforced .

The effect of that law can still be felt today.

Again 2 of many events linked to Thatcher and Police and the tactics used then and the tactics used now to control or monitor the crowd will be the same only now it comes under health and safety .

So again it caused a lot of anguish in a young mind whho believed in the honesty and integrity of the police and i was shocked to know that the Government knew all about it and covered it up.

In these days you did not have the instant video evidence which people have now so the News couldnt publish vastly distorted lies basically to a unenquiring even uncaring public,but then we did still have human contact and a lot of groups were and i mean peace groups were fighting peacefully to be heard and to get justice

Thatcher politisied the democractic right of each and everyone... the right to demonstate

That has been proven again and again by a range of highly qualified professional as well as what was known by the man and woman on the street.

People have made comments on this thread about young mindless drunk people who know nothing about what is going on, attending the demonstration on Saturday

Likewise the same mindset said the same in the late 70s onwards

Again it took educated people and even Lords for the common persons voice to be heard and believed.

shame for the people who didnt care.

shame for the people who believed all the propoganda

but like the mian man said forgive them because they dont know what they have done

But thank you Margaret Thatcher for introducing me to the real world and how the establishment works

Never learnt that at school.

Fast forward almost 30 odd years ,just different players ,but same cover ups

twas ever thus - the rich man in his castle the poor man at his gate. The meek shall inherit bugger all.

[uptheos]

Cameron is hoping that a bit of the polish from the Iron Lady will rub off on him electorally

I doubt it, he seems to have done a U turn. When he took charge of CP he vowed "to detoxify it of its nasty Thatcherite image", Like her or not, one thing about Maggie she wouldn't wimp out and change her mind once she said something. Cameron is a lame duck........but what piss poor alternatives!

[chuckd]

I wonder why you Brits are complaining so much about the cost of the funeral.

It will probably cost the US government more than $10 million just to send our delegation to the funeral. If Obama goes, the sky is the limit.

[Potosi]

Have searched youtube with Harold Wilson , James Callaghan and Edward Heath's funerals - not a sausage - these were private affairs attended by their friends and families and were given the respect and dignity they deserved. Cameron has misjudged this one and is spending a great deal of public money on who is still such a divisive figure in recent British history. A lot of her magic was as a result of the North Sea oil which began to flow in earnest during her 'reign' - she had £200 billion quid over and above what she would have had without the oil.

That's Scottish oil soon, isn't it? Interesting that the English in their majority agree with Thatcher's policies, and politicians like Blair just continued them; while up in Scotland a social-democratic party has grown powerful, and it's strictly anti-unionist. If the referendum, and that's to be expected, results in independence, Scottland could go a way similar to Norway's. In this case, the differences between Thatcherism and socialism will show quickly indeed.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/thatcher-snatched-130bn-scottish-wealth-1826513

[zoza]

this is just a conservative party politacal broadcast paid for by the british public,in a time of austerity,that most people don't agree with,and now were told we are wrong to show our feelings.

if they didn't want this protest why didn't they just have a private funeral

[Potosi]

I wonder why you Brits are complaining so much about the cost of the funeral.

It will probably cost the US government more than $10 million just to send our delegation to the funeral. If Obama goes, the sky is the limit.

Reagan commissioned the two Air Force One, spare the hypocrisy.

[wigantojapan]

Cameron is hoping that a bit of the polish from the Iron Lady will rub off on him electorally

I doubt it, he seems to have done a U turn. When he took charge of CP he vowed "to detoxify it of its nasty Thatcherite image", Like her or not, one thing about Maggie she wouldn't wimp out and change her mind once she said something. Cameron is a lame duck........but what piss poor alternatives!

alternatives are easy an INDEPENDENT SCOTLAND

Scotland

,Never ever voted in a conservative Government ,never will

[MAJIC]

So what did you mean when you said above in response to sausagenadmash "I think the poster means, Thatcher limited a maximum of six pickets at any one time!" when he had pointed that she had never restricted the number of people allowed to discuss political opinions?

MAJIC........

As previously stated in Post No:87.......

"I didn't say the Pickets could not discuss political opinions"

I thought my comment was quite obvious! I merely suggested concerning Post No. 84 Wigantojapan,that..........

........when he said: "yes you got it correct this time it is an opinion of mine,,,we are allowed opinions even though Margaret brought in laws to stop any small gathering from discussing opinions with each other."

And I replied a comment to his Post No 84:...........

"I think the poster means,Thatcher limited a maximum of six pickets at any one time"

I hope this clears up you're confusion.

Edit : It seems the quote blocks are getting mixed up again,the first 3 lines of this Post should be attributed to 7x7.

Edited April 14, 2013 by MAJIC

[Scott]

Off-topic post deleted. The topic is about Lady Thatcher's funeral and the events surrounding it.

[sustento]

I'll be glad when it's all over.Newspapers in the UK seem unable to talk about anything else.

[wigantojapan]

well it seems that the police have given the go ahead in democratic Britain that people can be facing away from the parade without fear of arrest.

they havent actually given out the exact measurements of angle that determines facing away that could have led to an arrest,.

A good monty python sketch that would have been

[chuckd]

I wonder why you Brits are complaining so much about the cost of the funeral.

It will probably cost the US government more than $10 million just to send our delegation to the funeral. If Obama goes, the sky is the limit.

Reagan commissioned the two Air Force One, spare the hypocrisy.

Even you might disagree with an aircraft that is costing $181,000 each and every hour of flying time to take somebody and their entourage across the Atlantic to a funeral. That doesn't count hotels, support staff, aircraft to provide limos and all the related costs.

Do some research and spare the condescension.

Edited April 15, 2013 by chuckd

[Scott]

Let's move away from Regan, Air Force One and the cost of attending the funeral by the US Government.