Liverpool F.c.

[Chicog]

Reina is certainly not on his game at the moment whether you like it or not. The rick against Arsenal and in the European game spring to mind. Concentration problem?

[CiaranO]

Reina is certainly not on his game at the moment whether you like it or not. The rick against Arsenal and in the European game spring to mind. Concentration problem?

i heard he was put in charge of transfers this season......thats probably why he has been so easily distracted.....poor guy and all that pressure lol

[rixalex]

Reina is certainly not on his game at the moment whether you like it or not. The rick against Arsenal and in the European game spring to mind. Concentration problem?

i heard he was put in charge of transfers this season......thats probably why he has been so easily distracted.....poor guy and all that pressure lol

By transfers do you mean stickers?

Where to put that "you'll never walk alone" sticker... back bumper or side window? It's a quandary alright.

[BangrakBob]

Rix, this subject has been done to death...please drop it. The answer is he was found guilty by an FA kangaroo court which is a meaningless verdict in most peoples minds and the whole thing would be laughed out of a real court.

Mate, if the resurrection of this tiresome subject had began with yes he was found guilty of racial abuse but... then fair enough, i might not of agreed with all the various buts that followed, but i would of accepted that as being someone's opinion. But it didn't, it began with, he wasn't found guilty of racially abusing anyone, and this is plain untruthful nonsense that i don't accept... i don't think you would of either if you hadn't been so sidetracked with jumping on the chance to tell us what a despicable person Evra is and what a bunch of clowns the FA are.

As i said before, had he been found not guilty and had i come on here a couple of days ago proclaiming that in fact he had, do you not think that would have warranted a response along the lines of "what the f*** are you talking about?"? I think it just might have.

<deleted>, this subject was brought up by YOU in reply to wellred's comments on page 414 regarding a handshake. Don't make me your scapegoat pal.

BTW I am sick to death of discussing this though and have tried with 2 diversions to move it on.....but I will not be found guilty of instigating this discussion with false evidence

[rixalex]

<deleted>, this subject was brought up by YOU in reply to wellred's comments on page 414 regarding a handshake. Don't make me your scapegoat pal.

BTW I am sick to death of discussing this though and have tried with 2 diversions to move it on.....but I will not be found guilty of instigating this discussion with false evidence

It's true you weren't the one that introduced the topic, but you were the one who kicked it all off with that lie.

[BangrakBob]

<deleted>, this subject was brought up by YOU in reply to wellred's comments on page 414 regarding a handshake. Don't make me your scapegoat pal.

BTW I am sick to death of discussing this though and have tried with 2 diversions to move it on.....but I will not be found guilty of instigating this discussion with false evidence

It's true you weren't the one that introduced the topic, but you were the one who kicked it all off with that lie.

"That's him over there the one in the red shirt"

[StevieH]

yeah anyway.

yesil looks an interesting prospect. and given rodgers' faith in youth he might actually play quite a bit this season. he's already talking about suso getting games, has thrown sterling in, seems to like coates.

[BangrakBob]

yeah anyway.

yesil looks an interesting prospect. and given rodgers' faith in youth he might actually play quite a bit this season. he's already talking about suso getting games, has thrown sterling in, seems to like coates.

Agree Yesil I think BR is going to have to play him whether he wants to or not once an injury here or there pops up. He may as-well get him out there now from the bench. I highly rate the kid, ready for a starting spot sooner rather than later.

[wellred]

Like I said this is a perfect opportunity for Rogers to test the kids and see who is capable of stepping up and who isn't. With such a bare side the expectations must surely be lower. Plus it probably relieves some of the pressure.

[JacknDanny]

This puts things into perspective.

I hope Liverpool fans find the answers they have been looking for....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/hillsborough-answers-at-last-for-liverpool-families-8118214.html

[carmine]

yeah anyway.

yesil looks an interesting prospect. and given rodgers' faith in youth he might actually play quite a bit this season. he's already talking about suso getting games, has thrown sterling in, seems to like coates.

Well its no bad thing is it because this is the direction it looks like he's going to have to go regardless. He is going to have to be very astute at rotating these youngsters to avoid burn outs but theres no doubting the quality od the likes of Coates and Sterling in particular.

If the fans look at the whole picture with realistic expectations there could be some real plus marks over the coming months. My concerns would be stupid expectations from FSG.

[CiaranO]

Was just reading this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9529661/Liverpool-fly-on-the-wall-documentary-reveals-manager-Brendan-Rodgers-methods-and-philosophy.html

interesting but really shows the owners have no idea what they are doing..............they said KK understood the long term plan was to replace him when the right person became available!!!!!!!! So thats why they let him spend 110 million on players yea??????? The best bit is " they hope to see improvements this year" ........good god they are delusional.......

[StevieH]

This puts things into perspective.

I hope Liverpool fans find the answers they have been looking for....

http://www.independe...es-8118214.html

cheers jack and well said. we can but hope.

[CiaranO]

read this today....http://www.todayonline.com/Sports/EDC120909-0000019/Liverpool-manager-Rodgers-to-receive-help-from-technical-committee

Personally i believe this is the beginning of the end for Rogers.........who wont tolerate this......

LFC in my opinion are in a lot of trouble......

[bkkjames]

read this today....http://www.todayonli...nical-committee

Personally i believe this is the beginning of the end for Rogers.........who wont tolerate this......

LFC in my opinion are in a lot of trouble......

like i said, gone by end october latest with rafa riding in on his broom to save the day.

[sharecropper]

read this today....http://www.todayonli...nical-committee

Personally i believe this is the beginning of the end for Rogers.........who wont tolerate this......

LFC in my opinion are in a lot of trouble......

However, the likelihood is that it will soon reveal the identity of a number of people who will form a committee of advisers, some of whom are already acting as sounding-boards, for Liverpool's owners John W Henry and Tom Werner, reports The Daily Telegraph.

If they stuff it with the same geniuses currently proffering advice, gawd help them....

I do think Rodgers will see the season out (unless sacked, of course).

[StevieH]

read this today....http://www.todayonli...nical-committee

Personally i believe this is the beginning of the end for Rogers.........who wont tolerate this......

LFC in my opinion are in a lot of trouble......

everything we do at the moment just smacks of people who don't understand football making it up as they go along.

i do believe that rodgers is in it for the duration though. and i don't really think he's the sort to be pushed around. think he'll push back rather than quit.

[smokie36]

He won't quit. Think of the compensation he would lose....

[wellred]

read this today....http://www.todayonli...nical-committee

Personally i believe this is the beginning of the end for Rogers.........who wont tolerate this......

LFC in my opinion are in a lot of trouble......

A lot is being made after only 3 games this season. It's people like you that help whip up all this nonsense frenzy for no reason.

Rogers made it clear that there were some operational comms issues that led to the deadline day debacle. This committee is FSG's attempt at dealing with that but not only that it means there is someone representing them ON THE GROUND as oppose to in the states. Ideally we would have an MD, a David Dien type character but I guess they have not found their man yet so this will do until then.

Also Todayonline? May as well be goal.com... as it wreaks of bs. Utd and Arsenal both have seperate scouting teams too.

And I don't think Rogers will walk out either. He is a man of integrity and it would look stupid on FSG if they let him go as he was essentially their choice after letting Kenny go.

This article smacks of 'amateur' but they put out these articles during an international window as they know people like you suck it up.

Edited September 9, 2012 by wellred

[Chicog]

Ah yes, the redtops during an interlull - they're already talking transfer window.

Like the supermarkets in Blighty with the Xmas bric a brac appearing in September.

[CiaranO]

read this today....http://www.todayonli...nical-committee

Personally i believe this is the beginning of the end for Rogers.........who wont tolerate this......

LFC in my opinion are in a lot of trouble......

A lot is being made after only 3 games this season. It's people like you that help whip up all this nonsense frenzy for no reason.

Rogers made it clear that there were some operational comms issues that led to the deadline day debacle. This committee is FSG's attempt at dealing with that but not only that it means there is someone representing them ON THE GROUND as oppose to in the states. Ideally we would have an MD, a David Dien type character but I guess they have not found their man yet so this will do until then.

Also Todayonline? May as well be goal.com... as it wreaks of bs. Utd and Arsenal both have seperate scouting teams too.

And I don't think Rogers will walk out either. He is a man of integrity and it would look stupid on FSG if they let him go as he was essentially their choice after letting Kenny go.

This article smacks of 'amateur' but they put out these articles during an international window as they know people like you suck it up.

Firstly.........."its only 3 games in"............its not, its the entire way the club has been run this summer..........from the calamity of hiring a manager, the interviewing of technical director that was never hired, their dealings in the transfer market or lack there off, their letting a 35MIL striker leave and not having a back up plan, their terrible start to the season, the whole club "smacks of amateurism right now......."....

You talk like your on the board or something...................Im making a presumption that you are not.....

The problem is people like you..........who are to blind to see that a wonderful club with the tradition and history like LFC......is being run into the ground by people who dont understand football........

and FYI..............this article ran in all the major newspapers in the UK........

[smokie36]

Where's Abbie?

[MrRed]

An apology from Mr Cameron lets hope that the families that lost love ones can put it all to rest now.

[StevieH]

An apology from Mr Cameron lets hope that the families that lost love ones can put it all to rest now.

an 'apology' from that clown doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of what the families of the 96 are owed. and you're either an idiot or blatantly taking the piss here.

[MrRed]

Just reporting what the press are saying Stevie.

And it needs some closure don't you think after all the years for the families sake.

edit...what the families are owed is what the government have finally got round to today and the opening up of this whole inquiry.

Edited September 10, 2012 by MrRed

[MrRed]

In the small room above the Hillsborough Justice Campaign shop in Anfield, Kenny Derbyshire is used to meeting strangers. "Survivors still turn up out of the blue. They'll stand there, numb, unable to speak and break down in tears. This city is still suffering, until we get the truth no one can move on."

This week, 23 years after 96 football fans died at Hillsborough, the city ofLiverpool hopes that, finally, the truth will out.

An independent panel of experts, chaired by the Bishop of Liverpool, James Jones, has spent 20 months examining 450,000 internal documents relating to Britain's worst sporting disaster.

On Wednesday, the panel will aim to deliver a definitive narrative into the events of 15 April 1989, when a fatal crush developed at the Leppings Lane end of the Sheffield stadium before an FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest.

Sources say it will find "in favour" of the families and illustrate, in detail, the lengths to which South Yorkshire police orchestrated a "cover up" to hide their culpability by blaming the fans. The city hopes this will be the week that will finally clear the names of the supporters, who were maligned as drunk, ticketless and unruly, a portrayal perpetrated by police and articulated by the Sun newspaper under the headline: "The truth".

Michael Mansfield QC, who will be with families at Liverpool cathedral this Wednesday to offer free legal advice following the release of the documents, hopes myths will be laid to rest. The lawyer, who specialises in miscarriages of justice, said: "It was a false story, it's time to put it to bed."

Margaret Aspinall, whose son, James, 18, died, said the smear campaign directed by those culpable for the disaster had deepened Liverpool's grief. "It's not just the survivors, we have to clear their names [the dead] … I get angry when I think they have allowed the families to suffer for 23 years, to allow the survivors to go through torture knowing it was a cover-up."

No one from the government or police has apologised and no organisation or individual has been sanctioned, despite Lord Justice Taylor's official inquiry in 1989 which found that police failures caused the tragedy. "Liverpool has always been a militant town, but the attitude to Hillsborough destroyed any trust in the government. It can never be repaired," says Derbyshire.

He agrees that the sense of injustice has amplified the emotional fallout from a tragedy that keeps claiming victims. The Hillsborough Justice Campaign knows of least six survivors who have taken their own lives because they could not come to terms with the disaster or the official response it drew. Two weeks ago, a male survivor threw himself beneath a train.

"There a lot of walking wounded out there, broken marriages, people turning to drink," says Derbyshire, 46. "Thousands remain traumatised. To many it feels like it happened yesterday."

Aged 22, Derbyshire was yanked to safety from the crush by fellow supporters. "I can still hear the screams, people begging for help, people going down and not coming up again." He stares across the street to Liverpool's Kop stand. "I've survived because I've learnt to talk about it."

If the verdict, as expected, chronicles errors by the police and other public bodies, the demand for fresh inquests will be overwhelming. For the Hillsborough families, the coroner's hearings into the 96 fatalities, and subsequent verdict of accidental death, cannot be allowed to stand. In particular, Dr Stefan Popper's decision to impose an "artificial" cut-off at 3.15pm on the day of the tragedy, after which point no evidence was taken, has been condemned. It has always seemed a curious decision to many, coming just 11 minutes after a barrier snapped on the terracing of the Leppings Lane end, causing the 3.04pm "surge" which prompted the worst of the crushing.

For the first time, details of what happened after 3.15pm on the day of the crush, in which 766 were also injured, will emerge this week. In particular, the documents are expected to dissect the chaotic response by the emergency services. Just one out of 42 ambulances summoned to Hillsborough made it on to the pitch. Only 14 of the dead were taken to hospital. Paramedics have said the basic practice of clearing patients' airways was not done.

Crucially, a clearer picture of how many more lives might have been saved is expected to emerge. It is apparent that some were alive long after 3.15pm. "Different places, different times, different reasons, but obviously some were alive beyond that point," said Mansfield.

Reports have described bodies laid by the river Don, presumed dead. Corpses were left by the Leppings Lane end, though no qualified medic had examined them. How many of the dead could have been saved? One mother, Anne Williams, whose son Kevin, 15, died, has evidence that her son displayed signs of life at 4pm. An off-duty officer told her he felt a pulse. A special constable said Kevin opened his eyes and whispered: "Mum". Their statements were changed following a visit from West Midlands police, whose serious crime unit was disbanded in 1989 amid allegations of corrupt conduct by officers. Both witnesses stand by their original statements.

Signs are growing that the government could lodge an application to the high court for a round of fresh inquests. The attorney general, Dominic Grieve, promised yesterday to consider this week's evidence and then decide "as quickly as I can".

Aspinall, vice-chair of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, admits she is haunted by the thought that her son might have survived. "I don't know what happened or who helped my son. Why was he laid on his back and not in the recovery position? Who said he died at ten to four?"

Clues to the extent of the alleged cover-up can already be found in documents from South Yorkshire police released several years ago, after a government order. They show how a unit of senior officers vetted junior officers' statements. Criticisms of the police were ordered to be removed, yet the undoctored statements betray a police leadership in disarray. More darkly, they indicate a smear campaign against Liverpool supporters. One fan, said to have vomited beer, was found to have no alcohol in his system. In one statement, an officer bizarrely wrote: "Liverpool fans murdered Liverpool fans."

South Yorkshire police have still to explain by whom and why the notebooks were doctored. Not one officer among the 800 on duty that day has said sorry. Although Derbyshire reveals that a couple have rung his campaign group anonymously, the lack of a public apology rankles.

Aspinall said: "Not one has had the balls to come out and say we were told to change our statements, not one." The ongoing silence compounds the feeling that the force remains reluctant to accept responsibility.

It is hoped that on Wednesday the panel will give reassurances that they have received all the documentation relating to Hillsborough. The fact that, 14 years after Lord Justice Stuart-Smith's judicial scrutiny of Hillsborough evidence, hundreds of thousands of documents are about to be disclosed corroborates the suspicion of a system operating against the families' interests.

Aspinall added: "If anything new comes out on Wednesday, then it means not one person has wanted to release it to us despite all our attempts. Why was that?"

[StevieH]

Just reporting what the press are saying Stevie.

And it needs some closure don't you think after all the years for the families sake.

edit...what the families are owed is what the government have finally got round to today and the opening up of this whole inquiry.

an 'apology' is what the family are owed by the s*n newspaper. for the lies and the headline and the slandering of people who were dying at a football match that day.

the inquiry is intended to give them explanations and justice. which they have been pleading for for over 20 years. there has been an enormous top-level cover-up in place for all that time, which incorporated governments, police and media outlets. they want to know why their loved ones died when they went to a football match and why the establishment spent the subsequent two decades lying to them and covering it up. an 'apology' - particularly from such an irredeemable <deleted> as david cameron - doesn't even begin to come close.

[MrRed]

Margaret Aspinall, chair of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, said the families, survivors of the disaster, Liverpool football supporters and the wider Liverpool public should receive an apology from the prime minister for the years of false accusations which she argued amounted to a coverup. Cameron's apology in 2010 for the security services' and other official failures exposed by the Saville report into the Bloody Sunday violence in Derry in 1972 was profoundly significant to the victims' families, and Aspinall sees that as a model for the response to the Hillsborough report.

[Chicog]

Just reporting what the press are saying Stevie.

And it needs some closure don't you think after all the years for the families sake.

edit...what the families are owed is what the government have finally got round to today and the opening up of this whole inquiry.

an 'apology' is what the family are owed by the s*n newspaper. for the lies and the headline and the slandering of people who were dying at a football match that day.

the inquiry is intended to give them explanations and justice. which they have been pleading for for over 20 years. there has been an enormous top-level cover-up in place for all that time, which incorporated governments, police and media outlets. they want to know why their loved ones died when they went to a football match and why the establishment spent the subsequent two decades lying to them and covering it up. an 'apology' - particularly from such an irredeemable <deleted> as david cameron - doesn't even begin to come close.

Irrespective of what you think of Cameron, he just happens to be the latest seat warmer who is expected to offer this apology.

Of more significance is the fact that the Scum newspaper, with Murdoch's tacit approval and McKenzie's despicable editorship, were doing this sensationalist crap for reporting that long ago and it's taken a few recent embarrassments to the establishment to actually ask why.

I wish a bunch of friendly scousers would come across either of them and give them the leathering they deserve. Now *that* would give satisfaction to the families, even if closure is probably unattainable.

[StevieH]

Of more significance is the fact that the Scum newspaper, with Murdoch's tacit approval and McKenzie's despicable editorship, were doing this sensationalist crap for reporting that long ago and it's taken a few recent embarrassments to the establishment to actually ask why.

I wish a bunch of friendly scousers would come across either of them and give them the leathering they deserve. Now *that* would give satisfaction to the families, even if closure is probably unattainable.

the families want all those who lied to admit that they lied and say sorry. that'll do for a start. they need to be told why only one ambulance was allowed in and why others were not and who made up the lie that fans were fighting which was why further emergency medical staff couldn't enter the ground. why the ground had no safety certificate, why the gates were locked, why the police were ordered to line up on the halfway line instead of helping people who were dying. then we'll start on the slander and the smears after the criminal negligence. who orchestrated the cover-up and briefed the press - yes you bernard ingham - what duckenfield's full role and blame was, why police statements and evidence were changed and by whom, whose decision it was to force the cut-off time of 3.15pm when people were still dying. what inevitably thatcher's role in the cover-up was, how much the then prime minister knew and authorised.

it isn't too much to ask now this. that's what will give the families closure and allow them to grieve properly.