Rule Of Law And Democracy Suffered Setbacks After Thaksin's Ouster, Yingluck Says

[Markaew]

In Thailand there is a strong support for Thaksin, that's one of the reasons he was overthrew from power, somehow he was getting too popular unlike Aphisit who was putted into power buy the coup leaders.

Disclaimer: I am not a supporter of Thaksin, or any other politician.

Not difficult to be popular when giving away free money to the poor and uneducated.

What these people however don't realise is that it isn't Thaksin's or his sisters money, but that at the end of the day they pay the piper themselves.

Very naive fo your part to think that he is popular only because he gave economical help to the poor and uneducated, I know many Thaksin supporters and many of them are very rich and western educated, they supported Thaksin because for them Thaksin represents change and progress( I am not sure if what they think is right though). Old and fat farangs in this forum should stop being condescendend toward Thai people, and let them be, I am sure they know what is best for them.

Why are you hanging around a forum for foreigners and then complain we are bothering you?

[Om85]

Very naive fo your part to think that he is popular only because he gave economical help to the poor and uneducated, I know many Thaksin supporters and many of them are very rich and western educated, they supported Thaksin because for them Thaksin represents change and progress( I am not sure if what they think is right though). Old and fat farangs in this forum should stop being condescendend toward Thai people, and let them be, I am sure they know what is best for them.

1. Why is it that when some people start loosing, they get very rude and insulting?

2. why is it that when some people start loosing, they become racialist.?

3. why is it that some people when replying to this forum insult the ferangs, but have been educated by the ferangs?

Back in my old college days (yes they had them way back then) my speech class professor said when people resort to similar retorts as number 1, 2 and 3 above it is due to a lack of education and this is all they can think of to say.

Wow, I didnt expect u guys to get so sensitive so early in the morning, when I say: "old and fat farangs" I meant not to offend anyone as I myself am a farang, just using a little bit of sarcasm

[WhizBang]

Disclaimer: I am not a supporter of Thaksin, or any other politician.

Could of fooled me. But your disclaimer sets me straight. NOT.

[Om85]

In Thailand there is a strong support for Thaksin, that's one of the reasons he was overthrew from power, somehow he was getting too popular unlike Aphisit who was putted into power buy the coup leaders.

Disclaimer: I am not a supporter of Thaksin, or any other politician.

Not difficult to be popular when giving away free money to the poor and uneducated.

What these people however don't realise is that it isn't Thaksin's or his sisters money, but that at the end of the day they pay the piper themselves.

Very naive fo your part to think that he is popular only because he gave economical help to the poor and uneducated, I know many Thaksin supporters and many of them are very rich and western educated, they supported Thaksin because for them Thaksin represents change and progress( I am not sure if what they think is right though). Old and fat farangs in this forum should stop being condescendend toward Thai people, and let them be, I am sure they know what is best for them.

You're trolling, right? lol

Nope, am absolutely serious.

[PREM-R]

In Thailand there is a strong support for Thaksin, that's one of the reasons he was overthrew from power, somehow he was getting too popular unlike Aphisit who was putted into power buy the coup leaders.

Disclaimer: I am not a supporter of Thaksin, or any other politician.

Not difficult to be popular when giving away free money to the poor and uneducated.

What these people however don't realise is that it isn't Thaksin's or his sisters money, but that at the end of the day they pay the piper themselves.

Very naive fo your part to think that he is popular only because he gave economical help to the poor and uneducated, I know many Thaksin supporters and many of them are very rich and western educated, they supported Thaksin because for them Thaksin represents change and progress( I am not sure if what they think is right though). Old and fat farangs in this forum should stop being condescendend toward Thai people, and let them be, I am sure they know what is best for them.

Why are you hanging around a forum for foreigners and then complain we are bothering you?

Why did you move to a foreign country thousands of Kilometers from your own only to spend your whole time complaining about the government of your new host country?

[Om85]

Disclaimer: I am not a supporter of Thaksin, or any other politician.

Could of fooled me. But your disclaimer sets me straight. NOT.

Am not, i've critiziced the lad many times, I agree that he should answer for the extrajudicial killings, the money issues and I definetely tink that he should never come back, I've no flag, neither party, pal.

[Markaew]

You can find it by urself, I ain't no teacher neither this forum is a kindergarten I believe.

I can't find anything about coup leaders appointing Abhisit. So I'll just take it that you are just copying red shirt propaganda and can't substantiate your statements.

As you wish, dear.

I am guessing you are a bored high school student waiting for school to start and you want to be a troll here for your amusement.

Edited April 30, 2013 by Markaew

[britinthai]

Yes, you are, but I don't like to discuss facts speak from themselves

Then point out those "facts" to me, please. Which coup leaders appointed Abhisit as PM?

You are trying to nail a pudding to the wall.

Spotted dick or bread and butter pudding

[Om85]

You can find it by urself, I ain't no teacher neither this forum is a kindergarten I believe.

I can't find anything about coup leaders appointing Abhisit. So I'll just take it that you are just copying red shirt propaganda and can't substantiate your statements.

As you wish, dear.

I am guessing you are a bored high school student waiting for school to start and you want to be a troll here for your amusement.

Nope, am not, am bachellor in Chinese language and culture+Bachellor in Business Administration+Master International Business and most of time am very bussy but today am amusing myself here.

Edited April 30, 2013 by Om85

[rametindallas]

In Thailand there is a strong support for Thaksin, that's one of the reasons he was overthrew from power, somehow he was getting too popular unlike Aphisit who was putted into power buy the coup leaders.

Disclaimer: I am not a supporter of Thaksin, or any other politician.

"Disclaimer: I am not a supporter of Thaksin, or any other politician."

Couldn't tell it by me with your total load of malarkey. Rewrite history much?

[backtonormal]

In Thailand there is a strong support for Thaksin, that's one of the reasons he was overthrew from power, somehow he was getting too popular unlike Aphisit who was putted into power buy the coup leaders.

Disclaimer: I am not a supporter of Thaksin, or any other politician.

"I am not a supporter of Thaksin but ... "

Which coup leaders put Abhisit in power?

I think you will find that a majority of elected MPs put Abhisit in power.

As you whish, just to say that Abhisit and hes dems has not won an ellection in like 20 years?

As I wish? Am I wrong?

Yes you are.

The Abhisit army instigated government was created in an army barracks under the guidance of a certain GP. There was no free majority. The leader of the Chart Thai Pattana party stated, just before the last election, that he joined the Abhisit coalition becaue he was made an 'offer he could not refuse', make of that what you will. Not worth talking about Newin, hes just jumped for the money (and now paying the price in the political wilderness, away from the trough)

[seajae]

you can imagine the phone call she got, "if you do not start supporting me completely and lying to the public your big sister will be the new pm".

She would have been beside herself to get out in front of everyone and lie for all she's worth, then she would have called him back and said, "sorry thaksin, I will now do whatever you tell me too but please dont stop me from being the pm".

[Markaew]

ery naive fo your part to think that he is popular only because he gave economical help to the poor and uneducated, I know many Thaksin supporters and many of them are very rich and western educated, they supported Thaksin because for them Thaksin represents change and progress( I am not sure if what they think is right though). Old and fat farangs in this forum should stop being condescendend toward Thai people, and let them be, I am sure they know what is best for them.

Not difficult to be popular when giving away free money to the poor and uneducated.

What these people however don't realise is that it isn't Thaksin's or his sisters money, but that at the end of the day they pay the piper themselves.

Why are you hanging around a forum for foreigners and then complain we are bothering you?

Why did you move to a foreign country thousands of Kilometers from your own only to spend your whole time complaining about the government of your new host country?

Because you apparently are very shallow and I'm trying to add some depth to your life.

[whybother]

Yes you are.

The Abhisit army instigated government was created in an army barracks under the guidance of a certain GP. There was no free majority. The leader of the Chart Thai Pattana party stated, just before the last election, that he joined the Abhisit coalition becaue he was made an 'offer he could not refuse', make of that what you will. Not worth talking about Newin, hes just jumped for the money (and now paying the price in the political wilderness, away from the trough)

Which coup leaders put Abhisit in power? No one has been able to answer that question for me. Until they do, I'm not wrong.

"an offer he could not refuse" ... money?

Newin and all the feudal leaders of the smaller parties and factions all just jump for money. How do you think Thaksin formed TRT and then got a majority in the 2005 election?

[rametindallas]

Yingluck – The True PM™ speech in English in its entirety.

http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNMk56SXhPVEUyTlE9PQ==&sectionid=

[PREM-R]

Because you apparently are very shallow and I'm trying to add some depth to your life.

I bow to your greater depth and experience of 'all things Thai';. Have you ever travelled north of Bangkok?

Edited April 30, 2013 by PREM-R

[britinthai]

Although most will not agree - Thai people are not stupid; they have voted and the result was clear. I know how Thailand was back in Thaksin's time and can see what changes have occurred from the coup. Like it or not Thaksin's sister is the choice of the people irrespective if it is on the back of her brother; this is what the people want. I recall the yellows taking down the airport, and of course many other protests - as have the reds - it is the crazy idiots that gave the orders to start shooting, which have caused the vast unrest and no doubt these idiots will continue to take Thailand the way they want because of their greed - all in all and like most other governments they are in it for themselves; however there are some PM's that have the skill to take care of both aspects their greed and the people - Thaksin was one of these PM's, whereas the current plonker in the UK is not.

Edited April 30, 2013 by britinthai

[seajae]

"I am guessing you are a bored high school student waiting for school to
start and you want to be a troll here for your amusement."

"Nope, am not, am bachellor in Chinese language and culture+Bachellor in Business Administration+Master International Business and most of time am very bussy but today am amusing myself here."

well I guess that explains why you cant put sentences together in
english or spell very well, I take it you got the degrees here in
Thailand, how much did they cost?

.

[brd199]

you can imagine the phone call she got, "if you do not start supporting me completely and lying to the public your big sister will be the new pm".

She would have been beside herself to get out in front of everyone and lie for all she's worth, then she would have called him back and said, "sorry thaksin, I will now do whatever you tell me too but please don't stop me from being the pm".

That's not dissimilar to the actual text of her speech in Mongolia:

Mr Chairman, excellencies, delegates to the conference, ladies and gentlemen.

I wish to begin by expressing my appreciation to His Excellency the President of Mongolia for inviting me to speak at this Conference of the Community of Democracies.

I accepted this invitation not only because I wanted to visit a country that has made many achievements regarding democracy, or to exchange ideas and views on democracy. But I am here also because democracy is so important to me, and more importantly, to the people of my beloved home, Thailand.

Democracy is not a new concept. Over the years, it has brought progress and hope to a lot of people. At the same time, many people have sacrificed their blood and lives in order to protect and build a democracy.

A government of the people, by the people and for the people does not come without a price. Rights, liberties and the belief that all men and women are created equal have to be fought, and sadly, died for.

Why? This is because there are people in this world who do not believe in democracy. They are ready to grab power and wealth through suppression of freedom. This means that they are willing to take advantage of other people without respecting human rights and liberties. They use force to gain submission and abuse the power. This happened in the past and still posed challenges for all of us in the present.

In many countries, democracy has taken a firm root. And it is definitely refreshing to see another wave of democracy in modern times, from Arab Spring to the successful transition in Myanmar through the efforts of President Thein Sein, and also the changes in my own country where the people power in Thailand has brought me here today.

At the regional level, the key principles in the ASEAN Charter are the commitment to rule of law, democracy and constitutional government. However, we must always beware that anti-democratic forces never subside. Let me share my story.

In 1997, Thailand had a new constitution that was created through the participation from the people. Because of this, we all thought a new era of democracy has finally arrived, an era without the cycle of coups d’état.

It was not to be. An elected government which won two elections with a majority was overthrown in 2006. Thailand lost track and the people spent almost a decade to regain their democratic freedom.

Many of you here know that the government I am talking about was the one with my brother, Thaksin Shinawatra, as the rightfully elected Prime Minister.

Many who don’t know me say that why complain? It is a normal process that governments come and go. And if I and my family were the only ones suffering, I might just let it be.

But it was not. Thailand suffered a setback and lost international credibility. Rule of law in the country was destroyed. Projects and programmes started by my brother’s government that came from the people’s wishes were removed. The people felt their rights and liberties were wrongly taken away.

Thai means free, and the people of Thailand fought back for their freedom. In May 2010, a crackdown on the protestors, the Red Shirts Movement, led to 91 deaths in the heart of the commercial district of Bangkok.

Many innocent people were shot dead by snipers, and the movement crushed with the leaders jailed or fled abroad. Even today, many political victims remain in jail.

However, the people pushed on, and finally the government then had to call for an election, which they thought could be manipulated. In the end, the will of people cannot be denied. I was elected with an absolute majority.

But the story is not over. It is clear that elements of anti-democratic regime still exist. The new constitution, drafted under the coup leaders led government, put in mechanisms to restrict democracy.

A good example of this is that half of the ThaiSenate is elected, but the other half is appointed by a small group of people. In addition, the so called independent agencies have abused the power that should belong to the people, for the benefit of the few rather than to the Thai society at large.

This is the challenge of Thai democracy. I would like to see reconciliation and democracy gaining strength. This can only be achieved through strengthening of the rule of law and due process. Only then will every person from all walks of life can feel confident that they will be treated fairly. I announced this as part of the government policy at Parliament before I fully assumed my duties as Prime Minister.

Moreover, democracy will also promote political stability, providing an environment for investments, creating more jobs and income. And most importantly, I believe political freedom addresses long term social disparities by opening economic opportunities that would lead to reducing the income gap between the rich and the poor.

That is why it is so important to strengthen the grassroots. We can achieve this through education reforms. Education creates opportunities through knowledge, and democratic culture built into the ways of life of the people.

Only then will the people have the knowledge to be able to make informed choices and defend their beliefs from those wishing to suppress them. That is why Thailand supported Mongolia’s timely UNGA resolution on education for democracy.

Also important is closing gaps between rich and poor. Everyone should be given opportunities and no one should be left behind. This will allow the people to become an active stakeholder in building the country’s economy and democracy.

That is why my Government initiated policies to provide the people with the opportunities to make their own living and contribute to the development of our society. Some of these include creating the Women Development Fund, supporting local products and SMEs as well as help raising income for the farmers.

And I believe you need effective and innovative leadership. Effective in implementing rule of law fairly. Innovative in finding creative peaceful solutions to address the problems of the people.

You need leadership not only on the part of governments but also on the part of the opposition and all stakeholders. All must respect the rule of law and contribute to democracy.

Ladies and gentlemen, another important lesson we have learnt was that international friends matter. Pressure from countries who value democracy kept democratic forces in Thailand alive. Sanctions and non-recognition are essential mechanisms to stop anti-democratic regimes.

An international forum like Community of Democracies helps sustain democracy, seeking to promote and protect democracy through dialogue and cooperation. More importantly, if any country took the wrong turn against the principle of democracy, all of us here need to unite to pressure for change and return freedom to the people.

I will always support the Community of Democracies and the work of the Governing Council. Ialso welcome the President’s Asian Partnership Initiative for Democracy and will explore how to extend our cooperation with it.

Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to end my statement by declaring that, I hope that the sufferings of my family, the families of the political victims, and the families of the 91 people, who lost their lives in defending democracyduring the bloodshed in May 2010, will be the last.

Let us continue to support democracy so that the rights and liberties of all human beings will be protected for future generations to come!

Thank you.

[Pimay1]

I am guessing you are a bored high school student waiting for school to start and you want to be a troll here for your amusement.

Nope, am not, am bachellor in Chinese language and culture+Bachellor in Business Administration+Master International Business and most of time am very bussy but today am amusing myself here.

I love these kind of posts.

Edited April 30, 2013 by Pimay1

[Robby nz]

I see on the 12 Oclock news on tele that when she arrived back this morning she has refused to give interviews to the Thai press.

Might be asked questions she has no answers for?

[indyuk]

Opposition leader Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday said Yingluck should clarify her roles as Thaksin's sister and Thailand's prime minister.

"She should clearly distinguish her roles as a sister and the prime minister. She may feel sorry for her brother being overthrown from power, but that's a personal matter.

I think that is also a political matter.

I think that she also made clear that if she feels sorry for someone then it are the people who voted for her brothers government.

Yes, she should feel sorry for them. They were paid and didn't get their money's worth.

I don't see anywhere that PM Yingluck said that she felt sorry for her brother. Perhaps you can help me with that in plain English and facts.

[chainarong]

Old and fat farangs in this forum should stop being condescending toward Thai people

Pot and kettle comes to mind.

I think most westerners are condescending to Thais as most Thais are condescending to them in all fairness. A classic example being the old saying that 'Farangs can never know Thainess'. Is condescending to it's core. As it infers some sort of cultural / social / genetic barrier that farangs do not have the ability to overcome and so are (for wont of a better word),they are implicitly inferior.

Pot and kettle comes to mind.

We had a saying when I was a kid, West is West and East is East and never the twain shall meet, Say's something for multiculturalism

Edited April 30, 2013 by chainarong

[Om85]

"I am guessing you are a bored high school student waiting for school to

start and you want to be a troll here for your amusement."

"Nope, am not, am bachellor in Chinese language and culture+Bachellor in Business Administration+Master International Business and most of time am very bussy but today am amusing myself here."

well I guess that explains why you cant put sentences together in

english or spell very well, I take it you got the degrees here in

Thailand, how much did they cost?

.

I spell as i whish, my degrees where for free(fullscholarships) wid the exeption of the bachellor in Business that I did it heer in thailand(in thai language) the other one, the bachellor in chinese, got it from beijing language and cultures university and the master from the university of tokyo

Edited April 30, 2013 by Om85

[MILT]

I like to see her say that when she is in Thailand. Mongolia? I bet they glue thier ears to the going ons in Thailand?

[whybother]

Opposition leader Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday said Yingluck should clarify her roles as Thaksin's sister and Thailand's prime minister.

"She should clearly distinguish her roles as a sister and the prime minister. She may feel sorry for her brother being overthrown from power, but that's a personal matter.

I think that is also a political matter.

I think that she also made clear that if she feels sorry for someone then it are the people who voted for her brothers government.

Yes, she should feel sorry for them. They were paid and didn't get their money's worth.

I don't see anywhere that PM Yingluck said that she felt sorry for her brother. Perhaps you can help me with that in plain English and facts.

"them" ... "the people who voted for her brothers government"

Is that plain enough English for you?

[Markaew]

Because you apparently are very shallow and I'm trying to add some depth to your life.

I bow to your greater depth and experience of 'all things Thai';. Have you ever travelled north of Bangkok?

Yes, quite a few times. South and East as well.

[Markaew]

I am guessing you are a bored high school student waiting for school to start and you want to be a troll here for your amusement.

Nope, am not, am bachellor in Chinese language and culture+Bachellor in Business Administration+Master International Business and most of time am very bussy but today am amusing myself here.

How's that Thai no-fail education system working out for you? Apparently, very good because you have been taking English for probably over 20 years and still don't get it.

[indyuk]

I see on the 12 Oclock news on tele that when she arrived back this morning she has refused to give interviews to the Thai press.

Might be asked questions she has no answers for?

That remark is the insolence of a poorly educated boy. Your statement implies that the entire electorate of Thailand, a sovereign nation is ignorent , which highly unlikely to be true and is offensive to millions of Thais, their government and the monarchy.

[Markaew]

"I am guessing you are a bored high school student waiting for school to

start and you want to be a troll here for your amusement."

"Nope, am not, am bachellor in Chinese language and culture+Bachellor in Business Administration+Master International Business and most of time am very bussy but today am amusing myself here."

well I guess that explains why you cant put sentences together in

english or spell very well, I take it you got the degrees here in

Thailand, how much did they cost?

.

I spell as i whish, my degrees where for free(fullscholarships) wid the exeption of the bachellor in Business that I did it heer in thailand(in thai language) the other one, the bachellor in chinese, got it from beijing language and cultures university and the master from the university of tokyo

So you have spent a lot of time from school and got nothing from it. "I spell as I whish". You are a perfect example of why the foreigners in this forum complain about the Thai education system. You need to stay in Thailand for work because any where else they will laugh at you for your lack critical thinking, speech, grammar, and unable to communicate in general.