American Cheated By Late Thai Wife Of 20 Million Baht Wants His Assets Back

[maidu]

In early days of my 15 years residing in Thailand, I happened to walk in to a bar in mid-afternoon. I am not a bar-person and don't drink alcohol, but I thought, what the heck, there are some elder farang men, I'll see what's up. One guy was holding court on a barstool and was loudly spouting the same sort stuff that elektrified mentioned earlier in this thread. The guy looked at me while ranting. I thought to myself, "he doesn't know me from a bar of soap, and he's completely off base with his grinning assertions." I had a choice to argue with him, or leave. I left.

[stuck]

Maybe all you fine people who disparaged Su would like to see a picture of her. She's dead, so go ahead and continue all the comments you had before about her.

I'll just wait

[stuck]

How utterly amazing that out of the 11 pages of comments from all you smart ex pats, you all have decided that Nattiyanee is the guilty party. I know Roger. He was my neighbor for 3 years. Did any of you even think twice about the statement that she died while they were quote "negotiating?"

Earth 666? A euphemism for the devil. Very clever. No one noticed that either. Funny the article doesn't mention his daughter with a bar girl - she must be 18 by now. She is an American by naturalization. The daughter that the article references as 11 must be his biological daughter Sara with Nattiyanee - she was 6 or 7 when I lived near him. God help her if he should get custody. I do not remember her being a naturalized United States Citizen. So one article gets printed all around Thailand based on what Roger told a reporter and you all take it as gospel.

By the way, if a mod wants proof of what I am saying, I can prove it beyond a doubt.

Nattiyanee was a good mother who tried to protect her children and to also protect Roger's oldest daughter who was not her daughter. She's dead and cannot defend these accusations and all the barbs thrown by you well meaning expats.

You all should think before you write nonsense. What if you are all wrong?

Why should God need to help her if he (Roger) gets custody then?She's an adult in her own right at 18,does custody even apply.I would think she is at the legal age to decide herself where she wants to live?

Would you like to expand on the slur on your ex-neighbour Roger,or is it just hearsay and gossip you're here to spread without him being able to defend himself.The very thing you seem outraged about when applied to his ex-wife now deceased,Nattinyee?

That is a fine question best answered by the fine people who work for the Royal Thai Police specifically in the Banglamung Police Station in the office of Women and Children's protection. I think they have some insight on this matter that no one here has, except for me of course.

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[lapd]

Must be quite rare because as every guy will tell you, that could never happen to him because his girl is different.

[Eesat]

Let's just speak hypothetically: A thai corporation is an entity in law just as you or your Thai wife are entities. Let's just say you're an American Expat on the run for more than 25 years and you want to hide your money from not only the US Feds but also from the Thais and your Thai wife. What do you do?

Make a baby.

That's what you do, and as soon as you have that baby, you naturalize that baby into an American. Then you make that little Thai/American baby the majority shareholder in the company, 51 percent. You take the next largest share. Of course as an American you could have created a Corporation under the still valid Treaty of Amity that America has with Thailand and you could 100 percent owner of the Thai Corporation but then the US Feds would know about your corp and expect your taxes on said corporation.

And let's keep speaking hypothetically assuming the child is not the child of your present wife, but the child of a bar girl in Phuket whom you pay off so that she signs over custody 100 percent to you.

Now you control a Thai Corporation 100 percent because you control the majority shareholder. Ah, but there is a problem. Who will be the managing director? You don't want your name on the documents so you name your present Thai wife married in the village but not at the Ampur. And still speaking hypothetically, let's assume that you are a swindler. The money that you brought a quarter century ago from the United States is gone you have become a full fledged con man fleecing expats out of the life savings by say ... well still speaking hypothetically ... by using condemnation by easement.

Now it gets very interesting as the empty heads hear a new word - hypothetically of course. What that is, is simple. You find a hotel that is profitable or a business that uses an easement across its neighbors properties because they don't have access directly to the roads. Then you buy the properties around them.

Hypothetically of course.

Now you tell the poor foreigner that his clients can no longer drive across your property to get to the hotel or business. You're the new owner so you can do what you want. When the business starves because a cancer has surrounded it, you then make the business an offer and buy the business too. Now you open the roads to the business and you have a profitable business sold to you buy a foreigner who invested his life savings but you don't care because hypothetically you are a pathological person who could care less if you bankrupt the man or the business. And in a rude twist, you name your company hypothetically of course, EVIL THAI CORPORATION.

And the company grows. Your daughter can own 51 percent because she is Thai and you are her guardian. You buy yourself a nice car - say hypothetically a Blue Toyota Camry and you drive the streets of your new country looking for properties to buy. You're a predator for sure, like a shark going down Sukumvhit but you laugh as you think of how many people you've ruined and in your own way you know they deserved it.

All this is hypothetical for sure, but it does make the point that you don't need to marry a Thai women to achieve this level of dishonesty.

There are plenty of reasons for marrying a Thai woman. This is not one of them. Hypothetically speaking of course.

Ok so you had a business,didn't run it very well and subsequently had to sell it at a knockdown price.So you lash out and blame others for your shortcomings as a business owner and lack of financial nous by using obscure by-laws like 'easement'?

Does that about cover it?

[stuck]

I was not defrauded nor did I have a physical business in Thailand.

Not close.

Next.

[Eesat]

I find it amazing how many posters claim to have no real friends in Thailand; Thai or farang. Most of these people are social rejects from their own countries who end up in Thailand because they are running/hiding from someone/something, don't have the social skills for normal relationships with women, and they had no friends in their home countries either. Then they come to Thailand and end up with "friends" such as prostitutes who they meet in bars, yaaba users, and other low-class people they meet god knows where.

and the relevance of your post to this topic ?...or is this just a generalised rant about farangs in Thailand

No,he's just feeling lonely!

[Eesat]

I was not defrauded nor did I have a physical business in Thailand. Not close. Next.

So it's just more defamation and lies from you then?I think we're starting to get the picture now!

[stuck]

I was not defrauded nor did I have a physical business in Thailand. Not close. Next.

So it's just more defamation and lies from you then?I think we're starting to get the picture now!

Is that right? I know this man. I know him well. He knows me. I'll say it again as it appears that saying this is quite safe for both myself and the board owners: The Bangkok Police should speak with the police in Chonburi. They would be told much more than was in this article. The Chonburi Police have knowledge of this man that I also have. But coming from them seems to be more palatable to most here at ThaiVisa. So be it.

Perhaps I will call that nice Colonel mentioned in the article and suggest that he talk to the Colonel in Banglamung.

However Eesat, some people know who I am and they are on this board. My real name is associated with this name used here "stuck."

I suggest that you are defaming me by claiming that I am lying. Watch out, maybe I will have you arrested under Thai libel/slander laws.

I hope you have a good lawyer.

Now run along.

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[wooloomooloo]

I suggest that you are defaming me by claiming that I am lying. Watch out, maybe I will have you arrested under Thai libel/slander laws.

Libel and slander are civil offences. You do talk a lot.

[Eesat]

I was not defrauded nor did I have a physical business in Thailand. Not close. Next.

So it's just more defamation and lies from you then?I think we're starting to get the picture now!

Is that right? I know this man. I know him well. He knows me. I'll say it again as it appears that saying this is quite safe for both myself and the board owners: The Bangkok Police should speak with the police in Chonburi. They would be told much more than was in this article. The Chonburi Police have knowledge of this man that I also have. But coming from them seems to be more palatable to most here at ThaiVisa. So be it.

Perhaps I will call that nice Colonel mentioned in the article and suggest that he talk to the Colonel in Banglamung.

However Eesat, some people know who I am and they are on this board. My real name is associated with this name used here "stuck."

I suggest that you are defaming me by claiming that I am lying. Watch out, maybe I will have you arrested under Thai libel/slander laws.

I hope you have a good lawyer.

Now run along.

You really are a loser,aren't you?I don't see anyone on here that knows "who you are" and saying that just makes you look an even bigger fool if that's possible!

Run along where?

What a nobody,jog on you muppet!

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[Silver Lining]

Dating a woman is complicated enough right? And Thai women having a bad reputation don't help at all...anyways whoever you are dating, may it be a bar girl or a manager....just always be careful. Remember that money is money, even your own family can flip sides and destroy you.

I just feel bad about the children, they suffer from this kind of chaotic scenarios more than anyone.

[stuck]

I was not defrauded nor did I have a physical business in Thailand. Not close. Next.

So it's just more defamation and lies from you then?I think we're starting to get the picture now!



Is that right? I know this man. I know him well. He knows me. I'll say it again as it appears that saying this is quite safe for both myself and the board owners: The Bangkok Police should speak with the police in Chonburi. They would be told much more than was in this article. The Chonburi Police have knowledge of this man that I also have. But coming from them seems to be more palatable to most here at ThaiVisa. So be it.

Perhaps I will call that nice Colonel mentioned in the article and suggest that he talk to the Colonel in Banglamung.

However Eesat, some people know who I am and they are on this board. My real name is associated with this name used here "stuck."

I suggest that you are defaming me by claiming that I am lying. Watch out, maybe I will have you arrested under Thai libel/slander laws.

I hope you have a good lawyer.

Now run along.
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NAAM knows me. I met him once at his house.

That negates your statement.

Explain why you think I am a loser. That in itself should be fascinating. Edited May 5, 2013 by Scott

[maidu]

I was not defrauded nor did I have a physical business in Thailand. Not close. Next.

You want to remain elusive and mysterious. You toss out bits of veiled data. Those of us reading these missives are gaining morsels of unclear info. Am I interested in knowing more about the guy and others mentioned in the OP? Yes, a bit. Am I interested in unveiling Mr. Mysterioso called 'Stuck'? No.

Edited May 5, 2013 by maidu

[Scott]

A few posts have been deleted. A lot should be deleted. Please post in a civil manner and stay on topic.

[bunnaag]

I was not defrauded nor did I have a physical business in Thailand. Not close. Next.

So it's just more defamation and lies from you then?I think we're starting to get the picture now!

Is that right? I know this man. I know him well. He knows me. I'll say it again as it appears that saying this is quite safe for both myself and the board owners: The Bangkok Police should speak with the police in Chonburi. They would be told much more than was in this article. The Chonburi Police have knowledge of this man that I also have. But coming from them seems to be more palatable to most here at ThaiVisa. So be it.

Perhaps I will call that nice Colonel mentioned in the article and suggest that he talk to the Colonel in Banglamung.

However Eesat, some people know who I am and they are on this board. My real name is associated with this name used here "stuck."

I suggest that you are defaming me by claiming that I am lying. Watch out, maybe I will have you arrested under Thai libel/slander laws.

I hope you have a good lawyer.

Now run along.

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NAAM knows me. I met him once at his house.

That negates your statement.

Explain why you think I am a loser. That in itself should be fascinating.

does that mean Naam only receives honest and important people in his house?

[stuck]

I was not defrauded nor did I have a physical business in Thailand. Not close. Next.

So it's just more defamation and lies from you then?I think we're starting to get the picture now!

Is that right? I know this man. I know him well. He knows me. I'll say it again as it appears that saying this is quite safe for both myself and the board owners: The Bangkok Police should speak with the police in Chonburi. They would be told much more than was in this article. The Chonburi Police have knowledge of this man that I also have. But coming from them seems to be more palatable to most here at ThaiVisa. So be it.

Perhaps I will call that nice Colonel mentioned in the article and suggest that he talk to the Colonel in Banglamung.

However Eesat, some people know who I am and they are on this board. My real name is associated with this name used here "stuck."

I suggest that you are defaming me by claiming that I am lying. Watch out, maybe I will have you arrested under Thai libel/slander laws.

I hope you have a good lawyer.

Now run along.

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NAAM knows me. I met him once at his house.

That negates your statement.

Explain why you think I am a loser. That in itself should be fascinating.

does that mean Naam only receives honest and important people in his house?

I don't speak for Naam. Ask him yourself.

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[stuck]

I was not defrauded nor did I have a physical business in Thailand. Not close. Next.

You want to remain elusive and mysterious. You toss out bits of veiled data. Those of us reading these missives are gaining morsels of unclear info. Am I interested in knowing more about the guy and others mentioned in the OP? Yes, a bit. Am I interested in unveiling Mr. Mysterioso called 'Stuck'? No.

I sense danger but cannot due to limitations of this forum write what I want to write. I'm sure that if anyone wants to walk into the Banglamung Police Station and walk to the office of women and children's protection (1st floor right off the side door entrance) they could show the article and picture to the nice Colonel there and he would likely tell you everything that I cannot. I want someone to take the article to them so they know where he is. Maybe they will call the Colonel in Bangkok who is helping poor Roger. I'm sure once they start talking all sorts of things will happen.

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[Sayonarax]

Maybe all you fine people who disparaged Su would like to see a picture of her. She's dead, so go ahead and continue all the comments you had before about her.

I'll just wait

Leave here and never come back.

[EyesWideOpen]

Maybe all you fine people who disparaged Su would like to see a picture of her. She's dead, so go ahead and continue all the comments you had before about her.

I'll just wait

Leave here and never come back.

I agree. Either make a point with clear statements, or stop this veiled nonsense. Slander and libel laws are meant to protect corrupt politicians from being exposed in public media, I suspect they would have little bearing on any farang versus farang battles. So make your point, or just go away.

[stuck]

Maybe all you fine people who disparaged Su would like to see a picture of her. She's dead, so go ahead and continue all the comments you had before about her.

I'll just wait

Leave here and never come back.

I agree. Either make a point with clear statements, or stop this veiled nonsense. Slander and libel laws are meant to protect corrupt politicians from being exposed in public media, I suspect they would have little bearing on any farang versus farang battles. So make your point, or just go away.

Have you not been reading? I made very poignant statements and they were removed. I cannot be concise or I run afoul of the board rules.

Not my call.

Go talk to the Banglamung Police.

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[Soutpeel]

Maybe all you fine people who disparaged Su would like to see a picture of her. She's dead, so go ahead and continue all the comments you had before about her.

I'll just wait

Leave here and never come back.

I agree. Either make a point with clear statements, or stop this veiled nonsense. Slander and libel laws are meant to protect corrupt politicians from being exposed in public media, I suspect they would have little bearing on any farang versus farang battles. So make your point, or just go away.

Have you not been reading? I made very poignant statements and they were removed. I cannot be concise or I run afoul of the board rules.

Not my call.

Go talk to the Banglamung Police.

You didnt make any poignant statements..the statements you made were libeous..

You keep claiming proof...have you given your said proof to the police ?

[SteeleJoe]

Have you not been reading? I made very poignant statements and they were removed. I cannot be concise or I run afoul of the board rules.

Not my call.

Go talk to the Banglamung Police.

Not that it matters, I suppose, but I'm pretty sure you don't know what "concise" or "poignant" mean. (Nothing wrong with not having a great vocabulary but it makes you a bit harder to take seriously if you try to make yourself sound more erudite than you are).

Just sayin'

[Eesat]

I was not defrauded nor did I have a physical business in Thailand. Not close. Next.

You want to remain elusive and mysterious. You toss out bits of veiled data. Those of us reading these missives are gaining morsels of unclear info. Am I interested in knowing more about the guy and others mentioned in the OP? Yes, a bit. Am I interested in unveiling Mr. Mysterioso called 'Stuck'? No.

I sense danger but cannot due to limitations of this forum write what I want to write. I'm sure that if anyone wants to walk into the Banglamung Police Station and walk to the office of women and children's protection (1st floor right off the side door entrance) they could show the article and picture to the nice Colonel there and he would likely tell you everything that I cannot. I want someone to take the article to them so they know where he is. Maybe they will call the Colonel in Bangkok who is helping poor Roger. I'm sure once they start talking all sorts of things will happen.

Strange how you know exactly where the office of women and children's protection is,been there a lot have we?

[yoshiwara]

I find it amazing how many posters claim to have no real friends in Thailand; Thai or farang. Most of these people are social rejects from their own countries who end up in Thailand because they are running/hiding from someone/something, don't have the social skills for normal relationships with women, and they had no friends in their home countries either. Then they come to Thailand and end up with "friends" such as prostitutes who they meet in bars, yaaba users, and other low-class people they meet god knows where.

Mr Mary Poppins speaks out.

[stuck]

I can also give directions to Carrefour. Does that make me french?

Untreated mental illness is such a waste. Would you like consult referral?

[Berkshire]

How utterly amazing that out of the 11 pages of comments from all you smart ex pats, you all have decided that Nattiyanee is the guilty party. I know Roger. He was my neighbor for 3 years. Did any of you even think twice about the statement that she died while they were quote "negotiating?"

Earth 666? A euphemism for the devil. Very clever. No one noticed that either. Funny the article doesn't mention his daughter with a bar girl - she must be 18 by now. She is an American by naturalization. The daughter that the article references as 11 must be his biological daughter Sara with Nattiyanee - she was 6 or 7 when I lived near him. God help her if he should get custody. I do not remember her being a naturalized United States Citizen. So one article gets printed all around Thailand based on what Roger told a reporter and you all take it as gospel.

By the way, if a mod wants proof of what I am saying, I can prove it beyond a doubt.

Nattiyanee was a good mother who tried to protect her children and to also protect Roger's oldest daughter who was not her daughter. She's dead and cannot defend these accusations and all the barbs thrown by you well meaning expats.

You all should think before you write nonsense. What if you are all wrong?

I commend you, Sir. Of all the self-righteous indignation and vile hatred on this thread, you stand out as about the only credible source about this case.

Hang in there, Mr. Stuck. A lot of these guys have an axe to grind. And they will absolutely not let facts get in the way of a good public lynching!

[Eesat]

How utterly amazing that out of the 11 pages of comments from all you smart ex pats, you all have decided that Nattiyanee is the guilty party. I know Roger. He was my neighbor for 3 years. Did any of you even think twice about the statement that she died while they were quote "negotiating?"

Earth 666? A euphemism for the devil. Very clever. No one noticed that either. Funny the article doesn't mention his daughter with a bar girl - she must be 18 by now. She is an American by naturalization. The daughter that the article references as 11 must be his biological daughter Sara with Nattiyanee - she was 6 or 7 when I lived near him. God help her if he should get custody. I do not remember her being a naturalized United States Citizen. So one article gets printed all around Thailand based on what Roger told a reporter and you all take it as gospel.

By the way, if a mod wants proof of what I am saying, I can prove it beyond a doubt.

Nattiyanee was a good mother who tried to protect her children and to also protect Roger's oldest daughter who was not her daughter. She's dead and cannot defend these accusations and all the barbs thrown by you well meaning expats.

You all should think before you write nonsense. What if you are all wrong?

I commend you, Sir. Of all the self-righteous indignation and vile hatred on this thread, you stand out as about the only credible source about this case.

Hang in there, Mr. Stuck. A lot of these guys have an axe to grind. And they will absolutely not let facts get in the way of a good public lynching!

Seriously?You think this lunatic doesn't have an axe to grind?

This must be a wind-up surely,he's as mad as a March hare!

[stuck]

How utterly amazing that out of the 11 pages of comments from all you smart ex pats, you all have decided that Nattiyanee is the guilty party. I know Roger. He was my neighbor for 3 years. Did any of you even think twice about the statement that she died while they were quote "negotiating?"

Earth 666? A euphemism for the devil. Very clever. No one noticed that either. Funny the article doesn't mention his daughter with a bar girl - she must be 18 by now. She is an American by naturalization. The daughter that the article references as 11 must be his biological daughter Sara with Nattiyanee - she was 6 or 7 when I lived near him. God help her if he should get custody. I do not remember her being a naturalized United States Citizen. So one article gets printed all around Thailand based on what Roger told a reporter and you all take it as gospel.

By the way, if a mod wants proof of what I am saying, I can prove it beyond a doubt.

Nattiyanee was a good mother who tried to protect her children and to also protect Roger's oldest daughter who was not her daughter. She's dead and cannot defend these accusations and all the barbs thrown by you well meaning expats.

You all should think before you write nonsense. What if you are all wrong?

I commend you, Sir. Of all the self-righteous indignation and vile hatred on this thread, you stand out as about the only credible source about this case.

Hang in there, Mr. Stuck. A lot of these guys have an axe to grind. And they will absolutely not let facts get in the way of a good public lynching!

I am the only one who has posted anything that also has first hand knowledge. I know this man. I know his family, at least what is left of it.

[freejack]

Agree with KuhnPaen above. I too once thought of the possibility of marrying a nice Thai gal, but after reading so many of these stories, I just cant see myself doing it now under any circumstances.

Good news is that this means I can retire a lot earlier as I dont need to have a sizeable nest egg to support a future Thai wife and her family, I need just enough for me to rent everything in retirement.

Same for me as well. Almost married a Thai girl, but backed out after finding out she has sizable debt and still spends way beyond her means, and I saw her wanting me to live in Thailand to take care of her family. The risk isn't worth it, unfortunately. Not a lot of gain, but a whole lot of risk.