Don’t Berkeley academics have better things to do than try to prove that “liberals” are genetically superior to “conservatives?” How to spot a baby conservative:.

"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative.

At least, he did if he was one of 95 kids from the Berkeley area that social scientists have been tracking for the last 20 years. The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals. ..."

There you go! What more proof do you need that progressive political views represent the highest state attainable by human beings?

“Block admits in his paper that liberal Berkeley is not representative of the whole country.”

Yep…that’s where the ‘übermenschen’ dwell in the greatest numbers…

Conservatives get all of their crying out of their system when they're babies and small children (like when they're supposed to).

Perhaps liberals evolve much more slowly. Or maybe in reverse.

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They got it right.. from the baby photo archives at the fair and balanced Fox News:

Sean Hannity (Conservative):

Alan Colmes (Liberal):

Interesting thread. I wonder if something similar applies to the UK. Of course the UK doesn't have liberals and conservatives like the US, but I'm sure you could do a Labour/conservative/LibDem experiment. Hmmmn? Maybe not...

Maybe a possible psychological insight can be found in the fact that so many liberals think disagreeing with them is a form of psychosis.

Maybe a possible psychological insight can be found in the fact that so many liberals think disagreeing with them is a form of psychosis.

As opposed to Conservatives, who think that anyone who disagrees with them is treasonous and guilty of sedition ?

As opposed to Conservatives, who think that anyone who disagrees with them is treasonous and guilty of sedition ?

Refer to the "Jane Fonda" thread if you want a clssic example of this.

I seem to recall a study that showed Repulican voters had lower I.Q.s than those who voted Democrat. Researching the obvious, a waste of taxpayers money.

Edited March 23, 200620 yr by lamphun

Well, there is a limited amount of whiny childishness that each person expends in a lifetime. Conservatives use theirs up as children while liberals get older and then become whiny children.

Then again conservatism is a manifestation of the "I want, I want" selfishness common in spoilt children, carried through into their adult lives.

Well, the problem with that 'study' is that the single best predictor of partisan affiliation is the political orientation of your parents. Since Berkeley is the most liberal majority-white city in America, most kids are going to be liberal because their parents are liberal. If one or two of the whinier kids turn out to be conservative, it might have more to do with the fact that their parents are whiny conservatives. If I lived in Berkeley, I might be whiny too...

Well, the problem with that 'study' is that the single best predictor of partisan affiliation is the political orientation of your parents. Since Berkeley is the most liberal majority-white city in America, most kids are going to be liberal because their parents are liberal. If one or two of the whinier kids turn out to be conservative, it might have more to do with the fact that their parents are whiny conservatives. If I lived in Berkeley, I might be whiny too...

If you lived in Berkeley, you would have an education and a brain, and wouldn't post garbage 24/7 on anonymous message boards.

btw, how is the bearpit doing ? I see that now you are down to 2 active members

The study seems to confirm the saying:

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."

Well, the problem with that 'study' is that the single best predictor of partisan affiliation is the political orientation of your parents. Since Berkeley is the most liberal majority-white city in America, most kids are going to be liberal because their parents are liberal. If one or two of the whinier kids turn out to be conservative, it might have more to do with the fact that their parents are whiny conservatives. If I lived in Berkeley, I might be whiny too...

btw, how is the bearpit doing ? I see that now you are down to 2 active members

Still miss the place do you!

Sure it's quiet when you log in around noon or so BKK time as most decent folks in the west are tucked in their beds and not on line.

Wait until the next election cycle and the Bearpit will be rocking strong again!

Last week, I went to Berkeley to see the castle. This part of Gloucestershire is very pleasant at this time of year, and I met up with friends in a little tea shop there. We had a nice cream tea and saw the castle.

The fact is: I looked everywhere, and couldn't see an ubermenschen anywhere. This is clearly a politically motivated thread and the OP has probably lent money to the Labour Party and wants a peerage.

It's not going to happen.

Last week, I went to Berkeley to see the castle. This part of Gloucestershire is very pleasant at this time of year, and I met up with friends in a little tea shop there. We had a nice cream tea and saw the castle.

The fact is: I looked everywhere, and couldn't see an ubermenschen anywhere. This is clearly a politically motivated thread and the OP has probably lent money to the Labour Party and wants a peerage.

It's not going to happen.

Excellent, sadman!

You didn't, by chance, partake in some 'Spotted Dick' with the cream tea did you?

Last week, I went to Berkeley to see the castle. This part of Gloucestershire is very pleasant at this time of year, and I met up with friends in a little tea shop there. We had a nice cream tea and saw the castle.

The fact is: I looked everywhere, and couldn't see an ubermenschen anywhere. This is clearly a politically motivated thread and the OP has probably lent money to the Labour Party and wants a peerage.

It's not going to happen.

Excellent, sadman!

You didn't, by chance, partake in some with the cream tea did you?

'Spotted Dick'

Just what are you insinuating Boone Mee?

It's an old English tradition to have some at 'tea time' - around 4pm or so.

Quite good, actually.

Edited March 23, 200620 yr by Boon Mee

Well, the problem with that 'study' is that the single best predictor of partisan affiliation is the political orientation of your parents.

Which study are you citing now to back up your theory?

It's an old English tradition to have some at 'tea time' - around 4pm or so.

Quite good, actually.

It's an old English tradition to have some at 'tea time' - around 4pm or so.

Quite good, actually.

Cheers brit.

The very same.

The study seems to confirm the saying:

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."

Shouldn't this read the other way round;

"Although it is not true that all stupid people are conservatives, it is true that most conservatives are stupid people."

The study seems to confirm the saying:

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."

Shouldn't this read the other way round;

"Although it is not true that all stupid people are conservatives, it is true that most conservatives are stupid people."

That works too

The study seems to confirm the saying:

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."

Shouldn't this read the other way round;

"Although it is not true that all stupid people are conservatives, it is true that most conservatives are stupid people."

That works too

Except Butterfly proves that it is not true.

Check this out. It seems that the UC Berkeley faculty was rated the most left-wing in the country: 91% of teachers there were classified as liberal.

Big surprise there, eh?!

"University of California, Berkeley (91 percent liberal)."

"So, we have documented proof that the "whiny babies" in this study were basically ALL the children of liberal parents.

With this fact in hand, we can completely turn the study around:

Firstly, it was the liberal parents that made their kids whiny to begin with.

Secondly, it could just as easily be argued that, even at a very early age, some kids don't get along with their parents, and so become "whiny." Then, when those kids grow older, they rebel against their parents, as a way of disassociating themselves from their parents' influence. And if your parents are liberal (as they all were in this study), then you rebel by becoming a conservative!

That's it for the documented-facts part of the scoop. But on a more informal, anecdotal level: I have personally witnessed what goes on at the Child Study Center (or what went on there several years ago - I'm sure it's the same today, as its mission has not changed):

Toddlers and young children (generally aged between 2 and 5) frolic around and do activities as in any day care/nursery school/kindergarten setting. But the difference is there are adult researchers (some even with the proverbial clipboards) hovering around at all times, monitoring the kids, "observing" their behavior, writing down little notes and filling out charts about the kids' personalities and activities and so on.

And here's the key, from my personal observation: the researchers get it all wrong! They often have some esoteric psychological/behavioral academic fad they're trying to prove, so they ascribe the most bizarre and ludicrous motivations for the kids' actions, scribbling notes about "ego resilience" and "crypto-sexual manifestations" and blah blah blah. It would be comical if if wasn't taken so seriously. I can assure you that whatever data they gathered in the '60s or '70s about how "whiny" these kids were was totally bogus and off-the-mark.

Maybe they were whiny because they were more intellectually developed than the other kids and were frustrated in an overly infantile environment. Maybe they were whiny because the "counselors" detected early indications of independent thought and action in these kids, and forced them to conform to their Socialist ideals, causing the future conservatives to feel resentful."

Think the UC Berkeley folks should try their next study with rats - might get more 'authentic', verifibly accurate results?

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Check this out. It seems that the UC Berkeley faculty was rated the most left-wing in the country: 91% of teachers there were classified as liberal.

Big surprise there, eh?!

"University of California, Berkeley (91 percent liberal)."

Excuse me Boys (& Girls). My politics are UK & Ireland based and I think I'm misunderstanding this!

The above seems to equate 'left wing' with 'liberal'. Is this the US view? In the UK 'liberal' is decidedly not left wing. That's why in the UK we have left, right and centre. The centre is the liberal wing.

Please help, I'm confused.

Check this out. It seems that the UC Berkeley faculty was rated the most left-wing in the country: 91% of teachers there were classified as liberal.

Big surprise there, eh?!

"University of California, Berkeley (91 percent liberal)."

Excuse me Boys (& Girls). My politics are UK & Ireland based and I think I'm misunderstanding this!

The above seems to equate 'left wing' with 'liberal'. Is this the US view? In the UK 'liberal' is decidedly not left wing. That's why in the UK we have left, right and centre. The centre is the liberal wing.

Please help, I'm confused.

In the states, liberal or progressive = left wing and conservative = right-of-center.

All kinds of permutations between but those are the 'main' definitions.

Wow. And here I was equating our Liberal Democrats with this threads 'Liberals'. Thanks for the clarification.

In the UK there also exists all kinds of permutations. If fact many people critisise modern politics because of the 'blurring' of the lines. Our 'left wing' government are often called more right wing than the conservatives. And often the 'liberals' seem to be the only ones even leaning to the left. Frankly, it's a mess!!!

Check this out. It seems that the UC Berkeley faculty was rated the most left-wing in the country: 91% of teachers there were classified as liberal.

Big surprise there, eh?!

"University of California, Berkeley (91 percent liberal)."

Excuse me Boys (& Girls). My politics are UK & Ireland based and I think I'm misunderstanding this!

The above seems to equate 'left wing' with 'liberal'. Is this the US view? In the UK 'liberal' is decidedly not left wing. That's why in the UK we have left, right and centre. The centre is the liberal wing.

Please help, I'm confused.

In the states, liberal or progressive = left wing and conservative = right-of-center.

All kinds of permutations between but those are the 'main' definitions.

Boon Mee = right-off-the-map. This is the area beyond permutations, known as the land of the mutants.

Hope that clarifies further.

Edited March 24, 200620 yr by Tippaporn

Some are so far removed from where everyone else stands, if the earth really was flat they would have fallen off already...

Wow. And here I was equating our Liberal Democrats with this threads 'Liberals'. Thanks for the clarification.

In the UK there also exists all kinds of permutations. If fact many people critisise modern politics because of the 'blurring' of the lines. Our 'left wing' government are often called more right wing than the conservatives. And often the 'liberals' seem to be the only ones even leaning to the left. Frankly, it's a mess!!!

One should note that there is no 'left wing' as we know it in the States, anything like that would be branded 'commie'...

Also, the classic 1-dimensional scale of right-left is rather antiquated by now.

Try this one: http://www.politicalcompass.org/