Hydrogen Aston Martin Makes Motoring History

[jbrain]

an Indian engineer who developed a harvesting machine for cow farts and a combustion engine which can use cow fart methane with an efficiency factor of 239.78% was forced to withdraw his patent application because major oil companies abducted his beloved pet rabbit and threatened to encarcerate it in Guantanamo.

source: http://www.naams-BS.edu

Naam, the link doesn't work

[apetley]

Now, if someone can figure out (and they will) how to produce hydrogen cheaply and in volume, this will be the future. The real breakthrough will come when the car can produce it and not need fuel.

 

I think the air is two parts hydrogen - H₂0. So it's abundant and cheap. What's not cheap is separating it. Someone will come up with a breakthrough and there's our fuel with only water vapor for exhaust.

 

Stay on it, guys.

A British company, ITM, is at the leading edge of hydrogen generation using renewable energy and the use of home refuelling stations. They are collaborating with several major world vehicle maufacturers so it us only a matter of time before it goes mainstream.

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[thhMan]

Now, if someone can figure out (and they will) how to produce hydrogen cheaply and in volume, this will be the future. The real breakthrough will come when the car can produce it and not need fuel.

I think the air is two parts hydrogen - H₂0. So it's abundant and cheap. What's not cheap is separating it. Someone will come up with a breakthrough and there's our fuel with only water vapor for exhaust.

Stay on it, guys.

Just curious ...

You said separating hydrogen from water is not cheap... Do you have some figures to prove that?

Edited May 30, 2013 by thhMan

[newermonkey]

They probably just forgot to mention the engine was a smoking heap of scrap afterwards!!!!

[Evolare]

Is there actually someone who believes that old story from the 1940's, that someone invented a car that would run on water but the oil companies bought him out?

BS. If someone invents that it will be world news and if nothing else governments will jump all over it. Too many of them don't have any of their own oil but they have water.

That old story has been around since I was a kid. It wasn't true then either. People love a conspiracy story.

Gasoline is a small part of what's needed from oil. In fact it's a byproduct of refining oil. A list of what's made from oil wouldn't fit on this page but start with medicines, fertilizers for the world's crops, plastics, carpet, roofing, butyl, tar for paving roads, and the list goes on and on.

We'd still need the oil and a use would be found for the gasoline, or the gasoline wouldn't be cracked out of it.

Again, gasoline is a byproduct of getting what we really need from oil.

The tinfoil hate routine is BS.

So mr tinfoil

Maybe you should check out youtube for some more recent information than the 1940s if thats the best you got. Do you know what ithe energy potential of H20 is and compared to gasoline...which one is higher?

If you dont understand it is another story and all the things oil is used for doesnt mean we need it and cant be replaced with better options than crude oilbased crap.

Plastics, cosmetics, fertilizers, etc etc...all can be replaced...73 years have passed since 1940...get your facts straight

So, much more lately, some poor mechanic with an IQ of 200 developed a car that can run on hydrogen and should be a billionaire by solving the world's needs for auto fuel, converting water to hydrogen at the engine's intake for the btu equivalent of 1 baht per gallon of gasoline, but the oil companies bought him out killed him and buried the secret forever.

I get it. Same story, second verse.

So what happened to this car?

Well start by checking youtube...there there are alot of stuff there...google to find things surrounding his death

..if i remember correctly stan's stuff was confiscated by the government then later released and his stuff including the car was sold of on auction...people are trying to replicate his work based on his documentation...

Dont remember what happends with hermans work.

...and i suggest you follow GentlemanJims advice on the fibonacci...science is fascinating and fibonacci took me a while to digest also.

Another interesting technology is the papp engine.

or read up a little of nicola teslas scientific work another in your language 200+ IQ car mechanic...he talked with the wrong people of how he could capture free energy from the air and they threw him into an asylum...his theories has been proven in experimantal physics or look into the self running magnet motor by yildiz something also on youtube...

Someone said:

You cant run a car on air and water...well you can!

Www.mdi.lu car running on air

Stans and hermans cars running on water...

Imagine a hybrid car running on air and water getting electric power from solar panels stored in a neutron bank instead of batteries converted to electric power and sent to a capacitor banks as you need it....the technology for the last statement also exists...in early stages but imagine what else is possible.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNhfd1HeS1M

Edited May 30, 2013 by Evolare

[hondajazz]

Look at this website : http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/ . It's already have the technology to store hydrogen without high pressure tank, but unfortunately the tank metal is rare and can become container for nuclear bomb!

[GentlemanJim]

Look at this website : http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/ . It's already have the technology to store hydrogen without high pressure tank, but unfortunately the tank metal is rare and can become container for nuclear bomb!

Metal Hydrides are an excellent way of storing Hydrogen and there is a lot of research going on now that would enable cheap metals to be used. Why are you worried about it being a container for a Nuclear bomb?

[hondajazz]

Is not me that I worry, it's the US government is afraid, I checked this website long time ago. It say US government do not allow to sell this type of metal. It is still a long way they can produced cheap metal in the future although it has proven works.

[BSJ]

You can buy kits on ebay. Don't know how good they are.

[Guest]

Now, if someone can figure out (and they will) how to produce hydrogen cheaply and in volume, this will be the future. The real breakthrough will come when the car can produce it and not need fuel.

I think the air is two parts hydrogen - H₂0. So it's abundant and cheap. What's not cheap is separating it. Someone will come up with a breakthrough and there's our fuel with only water vapor for exhaust.

Stay on it, guys.

Just curious ...

You said separating hydrogen from water is not cheap... Do you have some figures to prove that?

Here is some: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water#Efficiency

Simplified thinking. Hydrogen, gasoline, LPG and batteries are just ways to store chemical energy to be transferred to another location. First there is need to do work, to store the energy.

In case of hydrogen the work comes with for example electrolysis. Work is required to put in to the system to separate stabile H20 water molecule. Then hydrogen is collected and transferred to another place (with the car in this case) until H2 can re-unite with oxygen atom. This chemical reaction is exothermic and releases energy, which in case of combustion engine expands the gas (air), which runs the motor itself.

Energy itself it not lost, but when ever there is an transformation of energy, some of the usable energy is 'lost' as heat which can either conduct or radiate out of the system.

In this case the Aston Martin is using combustion engine to transform energy stored in hydrogen to heated air. In the future we might see hydrogen (or some carbonhydrite)-electric cars, which use fuel cells to transform hydrogen to electricity which runs the electric motors in the wheels.

There is no magic ways to go around physics, at least in this case. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty simple and proven to be solid. Unfortunately. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

[GentlemanJim]

Is not me that I worry, it's the US government is afraid, I checked this website long time ago. It say US government do not allow to sell this type of metal. It is still a long way they can produced cheap metal in the future although it has proven works.

Aaaaah ! The US Government.....think about it

[jombom]

i understand this problem of separating water and hydrogen cheaply and whilst on the move had been cracked many years ago

a number of patents were approved to protect the process

unfortunately, the major oil companies hold the patents so you won't see a commercial version of this process anytime soon

the main culprits are aliens (species #9847) from the Gamma quadrant. they have bought the patent rights from the major oil companies because they hate the guts of us humans populating planet Earth. some of them are even posting regularly on Thaivisa spreading misleading information and distorting facts.

Naam, that's priceless ---- You are the man

[MacWalen]

Now, if someone can figure out (and they will) how to produce hydrogen cheaply and in volume, this will be the future. The real breakthrough will come when the car can produce it and not need fuel.

I think the air is two parts hydrogen - H₂0. So it's abundant and cheap. What's not cheap is separating it. Someone will come up with a breakthrough and there's our fuel with only water vapor for exhaust.

Stay on it, guys.

Absolutely, I am not a great battery enthusiast, I much prefer internal combustion engines.

[NeverSure]

Please allow me to ask a question. Where is this car which can run on hydrogen, where the hydrogen is produced using less energy input that is output in the form of hydrogen?

It takes energy to produce hydrogen from water. Someone has to have that brain moment when he figures out how to extract hydrogen using very little of some other energy such as electricity or other energy source, and can do it in a very small space in quantities sufficient to power a car.

I think it will happen but maybe not in my lifetime. When it does it will be revolutionary. It may not be cheaper for the consumer. No one has ever convinced me that current electric powered cars are cheaper for the consumer than a good gasoline powered small car. By the time one eats the extra cost and depreciation of a Toyota Prius, and knows that the batteries must be replaced in about ten years or less at a high cost, and that he must pay for the electricity to recharge the batteries, I see them as more expensive to own and run even though they just "run on batteries."

Again, where is this hydrogen which is produced with a net gain of energy after using energy to produce it? Where is this hydrogen for the common man?

Edited May 30, 2013 by NeverSure

[Naam]

an Indian engineer who developed a harvesting machine for cow farts and a combustion engine which can use cow fart methane with an efficiency factor of 239.78% was forced to withdraw his patent application because major oil companies abducted his beloved pet rabbit and threatened to encarcerate it in Guantanamo.

source: http://www.naams-BS.edu

Naam, the link doesn't work

access only to bona fide physicists and mechanical engineers.

[Naam]

oilinki:

There is no magic ways to go around physics, at least in this case. The
laws of thermodynamics are pretty simple and proven to be solid.

[WarpSpeed]

Now, if someone can figure out (and they will) how to produce hydrogen cheaply and in volume, this will be the future. The real breakthrough will come when the car can produce it and not need fuel.

I think the air is two parts hydrogen - H₂0. So it's abundant and cheap. What's not cheap is separating it. Someone will come up with a breakthrough and there's our fuel with only water vapor for exhaust.

Stay on it, guys.

You meant water right? Any way you are correct, the guy who invents an economical way of seperating Hydrogen out of water will be laughing all the way to the bank. I suspect that solar power will soon become cheap enough to be used on a large scale to seperate hydrogen from water.

I hope it ls invented by someone like the web inventor and it becomes a free commodity for all to use, sadly, more likely wishful thinking though..

Edited May 30, 2013 by WarpSpeed

[canman]

i understand this problem of separating water and hydrogen cheaply and whilst on the move had been cracked many years ago

a number of patents were approved to protect the process

unfortunately, the major oil companies hold the patents so you won't see a commercial version of this process anytime soon

You here that one all the time. I suspect it's an urban myth but would welcome evidence such as the actual patents which would be freely available to prove me wrong.

[canman]

Oilinki: lol when you combust hydrogen you get watervapor...not DHMO i have been in labratory enviroment testing this hydrogen H2O2 becomes H2O and O after combustion you can even capture this and reuse it if you want...to make more hydrogen...in the lab we used traditional electrolysis for the tests.

Bankokrick: That is an issue if you have the hydrogen stored in a tank for sure i know that herman had something that replaced the sparkplug and that was where he converted the water into hydrogen so with his solution that would not have been an issue stan was working on something similar. But in regards to these kits that are on the market it can be an issue for sure very much like having nitrogen oxides tanks that are used in racing cars.

Dude DHMO is water. I guess you are learning your chemistry from Utube as well.

[canman]

Oilinki: lol when you combust hydrogen you get watervapor...not DHMO i have been in labratory enviroment testing this hydrogen H2O2 becomes H2O and O after combustion you can even capture this and reuse it if you want...to make more hydrogen...in the lab we used traditional electrolysis for the tests.

Bankokrick: That is an issue if you have the hydrogen stored in a tank for sure i know that herman had something that replaced the sparkplug and that was where he converted the water into hydrogen so with his solution that would not have been an issue stan was working on something similar. But in regards to these kits that are on the market it can be an issue for sure very much like having nitrogen oxides tanks that are used in racing cars.

Some more information on DHMO. I just found this on the internet, it's baddddd stuff:

An example:

A recent stunning revelation is that in every single instance of violence in our

country's schools, including infamous shootings in high schools in Denver and

Arkansas, Dihydrogen Monoxide was involved. In fact, DHMO is often very

available to students of all ages within the assumed safe confines of school

buildings. None of the school administrators with which we spoke could say for

certain how much of the substance is in use within their very hallways.

Get the facts here: http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

[IMHO]

Hyundai mustn't be buying into all the conspiracy theories that suggest Hydrogen will never become mainstream - the ix35 Fuel Cell enters full scale production in 2015..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MclHtMsb080

[Naam]

Hyundai mustn't be buying into all the conspiracy theories that suggest Hydrogen will never become mainstream - the ix35 Fuel Cell enters full scale production in 2015..

nobody made this claim. fuel cells are since years a reality and come in very handy in a lot of applications. what is still science fiction as well as a wet dream is that the production of fuel cell "fuel" takes less energy input than energy output. but then... the 'perpetuum mobile' is a century old dream.

[Jitar]

Now, if someone can figure out (and they will) how to produce hydrogen cheaply and in volume, this will be the future. The real breakthrough will come when the car can produce it and not need fuel.

I think the air is two parts hydrogen - H₂0. So it's abundant and cheap. What's not cheap is separating it. Someone will come up with a breakthrough and there's our fuel with only water vapor for exhaust.

Stay on it, guys.

Just curious ...

You said separating hydrogen from water is not cheap... Do you have some figures to prove that?

Here is some: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water#Efficiency

Simplified thinking. Hydrogen, gasoline, LPG and batteries are just ways to store chemical energy to be transferred to another location. First there is need to do work, to store the energy.

In case of hydrogen the work comes with for example electrolysis. Work is required to put in to the system to separate stabile H20 water molecule. Then hydrogen is collected and transferred to another place (with the car in this case) until H2 can re-unite with oxygen atom. This chemical reaction is exothermic and releases energy, which in case of combustion engine expands the gas (air), which runs the motor itself.

Energy itself it not lost, but when ever there is an transformation of energy, some of the usable energy is 'lost' as heat which can either conduct or radiate out of the system.

In this case the Aston Martin is using combustion engine to transform energy stored in hydrogen to heated air. In the future we might see hydrogen (or some carbonhydrite)-electric cars, which use fuel cells to transform hydrogen to electricity which runs the electric motors in the wheels.

There is no magic ways to go around physics, at least in this case. The laws of thermodynamics are pretty simple and proven to be solid. Unfortunately. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

Ah, Mr "Oil"inki, that is exactly what big oil (and the Aliens) want us to think.

[Phronesis]

I wonder if the engineers that built the car refer to it as the Hindenburg?

[GentlemanJim]

Please allow me to ask a question. Where is this car which can run on hydrogen, where the hydrogen is produced using less energy input that is output in the form of hydrogen?

It takes energy to produce hydrogen from water. Someone has to have that brain moment when he figures out how to extract hydrogen using very little of some other energy such as electricity or other energy source, and can do it in a very small space in quantities sufficient to power a car.

I think it will happen but maybe not in my lifetime. When it does it will be revolutionary. It may not be cheaper for the consumer. No one has ever convinced me that current electric powered cars are cheaper for the consumer than a good gasoline powered small car. By the time one eats the extra cost and depreciation of a Toyota Prius, and knows that the batteries must be replaced in about ten years or less at a high cost, and that he must pay for the electricity to recharge the batteries, I see them as more expensive to own and run even though they just "run on batteries."

Again, where is this hydrogen which is produced with a net gain of energy after using energy to produce it? Where is this hydrogen for the common man?

oilinki:

There is no magic ways to go around physics, at least in this case. The

laws of thermodynamics are pretty simple and proven to be solid.

And do you two think crude oil just decides to pop out of the ocean, throw itself in a barrel and morph into gasoline? Nobody said that with Hydrogen, we would get something for nothing. BUT with alternative energy sources, such as solar power then you can manufacture Hydrogen at home, that's not something that you can do with gasoline.

I wonder if the engineers that built the car refer to it as the Hindenburg?

The prime reason the Hindenberg went woosh was the skin was coated with Aluminum powder and the skin itself was made from cotton that had been impregnated with an alcohol based sealant.

[Guest]

And do you two think crude oil just decides to pop out of the ocean, throw itself in a barrel and morph into gasoline? Nobody said that with Hydrogen, we would get something for nothing. BUT with alternative energy sources, such as solar power then you can manufacture Hydrogen at home, that's not something that you can do with gasoline.

Nope, it takes life (carbon source), pressure and quite a lot of time to produce crude oil. Plants can produce oil faster. Oil is basically solar energy stored with lengthy process.

We have plenty of energy all around us. The sun radiates way more energy to the Earth, than we use currently. The problem is not the energy, but the ways to store it in practical way.

The science how to collect and store sun energy goes forward which will eventually change the way the world is powered. This however will take time. At least we are on the way there already.

If there would be a magical way to create huge amount of energy in simplified way, it would be in production already. Currently there is talk about yet another cold fusion, by Italian scientist Andrea Rossi. If it would be true, it would change pretty much everything in the world we know.. but eventually it's just another of his hoaxes. He'll get some attention and money and then the whole thing is forgotten again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer

In the real future we'll see more local energy production. Solar panels, wind energy, bioplants on top of our homes. The problem has not been the production, but the ways to store the energy. Maybe hydrogen will be that, maybe it will be methanol.. or perhaps batteries become cheaper and more effective? China's one of the great plans is to use electric car batteries as a electric grid storage. That might be a very good solution as well.

[IMHO]

Hyundai mustn't be buying into all the conspiracy theories that suggest Hydrogen will never become mainstream - the ix35 Fuel Cell enters full scale production in 2015..

nobody made this claim. fuel cells are since years a reality and come in very handy in a lot of applications. what is still science fiction as well as a wet dream is that the production of fuel cell "fuel" takes less energy input than energy output. but then... the 'perpetuum mobile' is a century old dream.

I was referring to the posts suggesting that oil companies buy alternative fuel technologies and bury them, and the ones suggesting that the inventors of such technology ironically find themselves lacking air to breathe

[Evolare]

You can buy kits on ebay. Don't know how good they are.

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I can easily answer that as i have and are still using kits like this have my third with a kit now....they work but to different degrees depending on how effective the cell is and if your water is charged or not.

[Evolare]

Oilinki: lol when you combust hydrogen you get watervapor...not DHMO i have been in labratory enviroment testing this hydrogen H2O2 becomes H2O and O after combustion you can even capture this and reuse it if you want...to make more hydrogen...in the lab we used traditional electrolysis for the tests.

Bankokrick: That is an issue if you have the hydrogen stored in a tank for sure i know that herman had something that replaced the sparkplug and that was where he converted the water into hydrogen so with his solution that would not have been an issue stan was working on something similar. But in regards to these kits that are on the market it can be an issue for sure very much like having nitrogen oxides tanks that are used in racing cars.

Dude DHMO is water. I guess you are learning your chemistry from Utube as well.

I know Hence the lol but there is a myth about dhmo...look at www.dhmo.org but we tested a gasoline generator with 4 cylinder to analyze what gases you got in the exhausts and even when you run with 100 hydrogen which is quite easy if you have the amount you need you still get some hydrocarbons but those are so small that they most likely come from the oil that lubricates the engine and from deposits builtup in the engine over time when in use...and they drop after a while in use as the hydrogen combustion actually cleans out the engine.

Google dmho scam or hoax also if you want that entire thing was made to illustrate how dangerous it can be for not understanding science...please tell me your joking when your talking about DMHO...

Edited May 31, 2013 by Evolare

[Evolare]

The law of thermodynamics or the swisscheese of science made up in the mid 1800s have been disproven by hundreds of scientists...many of them even doubted their result because of the law of thermodynamics...problem thinking outside the box.

I only need to say bumblebee to disprove the law of thermodynamics, yildiz magnet motor example two, the potato clock three. Fibonacci example four i can continue...

Which law of thermodynamics is it that you claim to be solid?