More Time Sought To Explain Thaksin Passport

[hellodolly]

For one country how many deputy Pm are there .

That would depend on the quality of the Prime Minister.

Unfortunately we find are selves in a bind here in Thailand.

Not only do we have an unqualified PM but the pool of choices she has to work with are all equally unqualified.

Resulting in more corruption and higher cost of living.

[OzMick]

As it is not possible to have a law or regulation for the benefit of any single person, the committee will have to come up with something like this:

Thai citizens who are fugitive criminals are entitled to a passport. It is recognised that returning to Thailand or attending a Royal Thai Embassy is difficult for fugitives, so a special hotline has been set up to overcome these problems. If the FM is called on his private mobile phone, a new passport will be personally delivered anywhere in the world within 24 hours of the request being made.

[sonar6ca]

Foreign Ministry had wrongly issued a passport for Thaksin.

Doesn’t ombudsman know that: "family comes first?"

[Ulic]

I will give you an answer in May........May when?.......... May the day never come.

[chainarong]

What is all the fuss about , all that needs to be done is cancel the new passport, this is just show , a reason has to be given , now that would be interesting, that would place the PTP into a position where they have to admit , Mr "T" is a criminal on the run.

[JulesMad]

For one country how many deputy Pm are there .

about 66 Million

[yeeowww]

Coming Soon...

House of cards ... will be pleased to see them all fall down ...

[PoodMaiDai]

They are all like a bunch of kids here. It's incredible that any country can function with "leaders" like this. I'm surprised any of them can make it through the day without tying their shoelaces to a chair or something.

[indyuk]

"In the letter, Phongthep reasoned that the Ombudsman had suggested that regulations on passport issuance should be amended, hence he needed time to set up a committee to do the job."

So the plan is not to cancel or recall Thaksin's passport but the amend the issuance regulations to make it legal.

Red democracy at work and another slap in the face for Thailand

One needs to be objective. Military coups are a crime against the people. A military govenment's decisions are irrelevent now. When Thaksin left Thailand it was on legitiment business in the USA. His passport was confiscated in his absense. In Thailand everything is upside down. If the Dems, or the coups masters or the Military wanted Thaksin to return to face penalties issued during his unavoiable absense the Foreign office would have had to re-issue his passport at the time in order that he could re-enter Thailand legally. When he left Thailand he stood innocent since he had been neither charged or convicted of his alledged crime. The involvement of an Ombudsman in this matter should be irrelevent since an Ombudsman's job is to defend the people from injustice through his deliberations and the issue of his opinion in a matter. An Ombudsman may not direct a judicial matter directly. As allways in Thailand every damaged person wants to enforce his personal will. On balance the confication of Thaksin's Pasport was probably illegal. Therefore the Thai foreign office need to explain their legal justification for cancelling Thaksin's passport rather than be expected to explain why they decided to return it to him. Edited June 8, 2013 by indyuk

[indyuk]

For one country how many deputy Pm are there .

about 66 Million

The present Thai Government organiseation is know professionally as "A flying 'T' Organisation and was introduced into an USA about 40 years ago by a USA Corporation as a panacea of technical development through a revised orgaisational structre that sought to drive responsibility down an organisation to focus the minds of senior employees on corporate goals. I belive that Inel Corp Inc were the first company in the World to deploy the 'Flying 'T' Oganizational philosophy. It has never been discredted and therefore is a valid strategy for who ever wishes to stake the future on it.

[waza]

"In the letter, Phongthep reasoned that the Ombudsman had suggested that regulations on passport issuance should be amended, hence he needed time to set up a committee to do the job."

So the plan is not to cancel or recall Thaksin's passport but the amend the issuance regulations to make it legal.

Red democracy at work and another slap in the face for Thailand

One needs to be objective. Military coups are a crime against the people. A military govenment's decisions are irrelevent now. When Thaksin left Thailand it was on legitiment business in the USA. His passport was confiscated in his absense. In Thailand everything is upside down. If the Dems, or the coups masters or the Military wanted Thaksin to return to face penalties issued during his unavoiable absense the Foreign office would have had to re-issue his passport at the time in order that he could re-enter Thailand legally. When he left Thailand he stood innocent since he had been neither charged or convicted of his alledged crime. The involvement of an Ombudsman in this matter should be irrelevent since an Ombudsman's job is to defend the people from injustice through his deliberations and the issue of his opinion in a matter. An Ombudsman may not direct a judicial matter directly. As allways in Thailand every damaged person wants to enforce his personal will. On balance the confication of Thaksin's Pasport was probably illegal. Therefore the Thai foreign office need to explain their legal justification for cancelling Thaksin's passport rather than be expected to explain why they decided to return it to him.

Either you are deliberately misleading the TVF members or you are ignorant, Thaksin left Thailand to attend the Olympic games while on bail, then jumped bail to escape his conviction. That's why he is a convicted criminal and fugitive from justice, he had his day in court and despite the cake box of money was found guilty.

[mikemac]

"One needs to be objective. Military coups are a crime against the
people. A military govenment's decisions are irrelevent now. When
Thaksin left Thailand it was on legitiment business in the USA. His
passport was confiscated in his absense. In Thailand everything is
upside down. If the Dems, or the coups masters or the Military wanted
Thaksin to return to face penalties issued during his unavoiable absense
the Foreign office would have had to re-issue his passport at the time
in order that he could re-enter Thailand legally. When he left Thailand
he stood innocent since he had been neither charged or convicted of his
alledged crime. The involvement of an Ombudsman in this matter should be
irrelevent since an Ombudsman's job is to defend the people from
injustice through his deliberations and the issue of his opinion in a
matter. An Ombudsman may not direct a judicial matter directly. As
allways in Thailand every damaged person wants to enforce his personal
will. On balance the confication of Thaksin's Pasport was probably
illegal. Therefore the Thai foreign office need to explain their legal
justification for cancelling Thaksin's passport rather than be expected
to explain why they decided to return it to him."................................

Please tell me he is joking ????

[MAJIC]

"In the letter, Phongthep reasoned that the Ombudsman had suggested that regulations on passport issuance should be amended, hence he needed time to set up a committee to do the job."

So the plan is not to cancel or recall Thaksin's passport but the amend the issuance regulations to make it legal.

Red democracy at work and another slap in the face for Thailand

One needs to be objective. Military coups are a crime against the people. A military govenment's decisions are irrelevent now. When Thaksin left Thailand it was on legitiment business in the USA. His passport was confiscated in his absense. In Thailand everything is upside down. If the Dems, or the coups masters or the Military wanted Thaksin to return to face penalties issued during his unavoiable absense the Foreign office would have had to re-issue his passport at the time in order that he could re-enter Thailand legally. When he left Thailand he stood innocent since he had been neither charged or convicted of his alledged crime. The involvement of an Ombudsman in this matter should be irrelevent since an Ombudsman's job is to defend the people from injustice through his deliberations and the issue of his opinion in a matter. An Ombudsman may not direct a judicial matter directly. As allways in Thailand every damaged person wants to enforce his personal will. On balance the confication of Thaksin's Pasport was probably illegal. Therefore the Thai foreign office need to explain their legal justification for cancelling Thaksin's passport rather than be expected to explain why they decided to return it to him.

So if his Passport was confiscated,after "legitimate business in the USA"how did he manage to return to Thailand,obtain Bail and then obscond,after a visit to the Chinese Olympics? and has never returned to Thailand since!

[waza]

They are all like a bunch of kids here. It's incredible that any country can function with "leaders" like this. I'm surprised any of them can make it through the day without tying their shoelaces to a chair or something.

That's why they have people to do that for them

[rubl]

Just to be sure as some seem in doubt about the sequence.

Thaksin's passport was returned to him in Summer 2008 after he promised solemnly to return when the Beijing Olympics were finished. Only a year or so later, with status changed to bail jumper, criminal fugitive, his passport was revoked by the then government.

[steveromagnino]

"In the letter, Phongthep reasoned that the Ombudsman had suggested that regulations on passport issuance should be amended, hence he needed time to set up a committee to do the job."

So the plan is not to cancel or recall Thaksin's passport but the amend the issuance regulations to make it legal.

Red democracy at work and another slap in the face for Thailand

One needs to be objective. Military coups are a crime against the people. A military govenment's decisions are irrelevent now. When Thaksin left Thailand it was on legitiment business in the USA. His passport was confiscated in his absense. In Thailand everything is upside down. If the Dems, or the coups masters or the Military wanted Thaksin to return to face penalties issued during his unavoiable absense the Foreign office would have had to re-issue his passport at the time in order that he could re-enter Thailand legally. When he left Thailand he stood innocent since he had been neither charged or convicted of his alledged crime. The involvement of an Ombudsman in this matter should be irrelevent since an Ombudsman's job is to defend the people from injustice through his deliberations and the issue of his opinion in a matter. An Ombudsman may not direct a judicial matter directly. As allways in Thailand every damaged person wants to enforce his personal will. On balance the confication of Thaksin's Pasport was probably illegal. Therefore the Thai foreign office need to explain their legal justification for cancelling Thaksin's passport rather than be expected to explain why they decided to return it to him.

what a complete load of rubbish.

He left voluntarily, just as he voluntarily twice ran campaigns of terror (2009 and again in 2010) from abroad, and now rings in to run the government in absence. And just as he voluntarily lied about his asset declaration pre 2000, voluntarily ordered the war on drugs, voluntarily derailed telecoms deregulation and voluntarily engineered his wife to get the windfall gain on property in Ratchada. He voluntarily chose to not appear for the other (I think) 19 charges he is facing, and the court proceedings don't begin without the defendant present; that's his end game to squash these other cases and the case already ruled against him, using similarly faulty logic and a warped version of reality as you have done. Your points almost seem watertight, logical and true....except when faced with the harsh light of 2am reality when the pock marks, motorcycle scars, stretch marks and sagging bosom turn that 20 year old sideliner into another 30 years old ex Orchard Towers has been.

[SOTIRIOS]

........how many years already......still haven't 'paved the way' for an excuse/explanation........

.....and look at 'her' closely.....without makeup...........'good from far, far from good'......(...whatever is inside the person shines through...so imagine....)

[tominbkk]

The red apologists will try, but fail, to worm their way out of this one. haha

[ratcatcher]

"In the letter, Phongthep reasoned that the Ombudsman had suggested that regulations on passport issuance should be amended, hence he needed time to set up a committee to do the job."

So the plan is not to cancel or recall Thaksin's passport but the amend the issuance regulations to make it legal.

Red democracy at work and another slap in the face for Thailand

One needs to be objective. Military coups are a crime against the people. A military govenment's decisions are irrelevent now. When Thaksin left Thailand it was on legitiment business in the USA. His passport was confiscated in his absense. In Thailand everything is upside down. If the Dems, or the coups masters or the Military wanted Thaksin to return to face penalties issued during his unavoiable absense the Foreign office would have had to re-issue his passport at the time in order that he could re-enter Thailand legally. When he left Thailand he stood innocent since he had been neither charged or convicted of his alledged crime. The involvement of an Ombudsman in this matter should be irrelevent since an Ombudsman's job is to defend the people from injustice through his deliberations and the issue of his opinion in a matter. An Ombudsman may not direct a judicial matter directly. As allways in Thailand every damaged person wants to enforce his personal will. On balance the confication of Thaksin's Pasport was probably illegal. Therefore the Thai foreign office need to explain their legal justification for cancelling Thaksin's passport rather than be expected to explain why they decided to return it to him.

Dear Indy,

Once again you exhibit all the characteristics of someone who is living in the twilight zone.

Let's just deal with the passport issue for a moment, in fact, let's be objective.

If Thaksin's "passport was confiscated in his absense" (sic), how did he enter the United States or in fact re enter Thailand?

Read some of the other posts and learn something before posting such mental meanderings.

[mikemac]

"worm" being the apt description in this case.

[steveromagnino]

Drawing on the IndyUK logic, I guess we can expect Yingluck to answer but what I don't get is how is Morris Day going to assist in finding out about Thaksin's passport?

I suppose that maybe there is some jungle love going on, but how will that help things?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cimtmLVtChE

Edited June 8, 2013 by steveromagnino

[dominique355]

This passport was issued quite some time ago so it's not a new issue yet time is needed to explain. It's all quite simple though, " we are the government, we gave him the passport, we do what we like and no need to explain to anyone, any more stupid questions ? "

... and those who don't agree are either garbage or mentally ill.

[yoshiwara]

When he left Thailand he stood innocent since he had been neither charged or convicted of his

alledged crime.

Wrong. He had been charged. You forgot he returned in 2008 didn't you? He did a runner ahead of the sentence. The Thaksin Cheerleader School is slipping up.

[ratcatcher]

When he left Thailand he stood innocent since he had been neither charged or convicted of his

alledged crime.

Wrong. He had been charged. You forgot he returned in 2008 didn't you? He did a runner ahead of the sentence. The Thaksin Cheerleader School is slipping up.

It would seem that mikemac was quoting Thaksins great fan 'indyuk'

His comment" Please tell me he is joking"

Sadly indyuk never jokes about such serious business as Thaksin and the injustices perpetrated against the poor chap.

[djjamie]

More time sought to explain Thaksin passport

Wanna give it 2 years like the rice scheme explanation

[473geo]

The red apologists will try, but fail, to worm their way out of this one. haha

Or sit back and laugh as others waste their lives debating over the issuance/revoking of a passport to guy who can already roam as he pleases

[rogerdee123]

He won't need a passport after June since they can issue him a Thai Elite Card.

[egro]

The red apologists will try, but fail, to worm their way out of this one. haha

Or sit back and laugh as others waste their lives debating over the issuance/revoking of a passport to guy who can already roam as he pleases

You were right, tom; one tried and failed.

He tried to explain it away as "if someone can circumvent the law, there's no need to follow the law"

It is humorous to watch the apologists waste their lives trying to defend the indefenisible.

The issuance of a new passport (particularly during a national crisis when the foreign ministry was closed from flooding) and then made even worse by the hand delivery service he got from the foreign minister(coincidentally his cousin) to a convicted criminal fugitive was illegal. The ombidsman justifiably said revoke it.

His sister has stalled on this for far too long and refuses to comply.

Ombudsman needs to take the next step and press charges.

[egro]

"The Ombudsman demanded to know why the Foreign Ministry had wrongly issued a passport for Thaksin, who is a fugitive and is trying to escape criminal charges, but the ministry refused to respond, prompting the Office of the Ombudsman to file a complaint with the prime minister.

Rakkecha Chaechai, spokesman for the Ombudsman's Office, said Phongthep had written to the office asking for more time. He said the letter arrived after the deadline the government was given.

In the letter, Phongthep reasoned that the Ombudsman had suggested that regulations on passport issuance should be amended, hence he needed time to set up a committee to do the job."

The OP seems to contain some errors.

The MoFA did respond to the Ombudsman. From 2012-11-13

"Foreign Ministry spokesman Manasvi Srisodapol said the note was sent to the Ombudsman's Office, but he declined to reveal details in the response. Yesterday was the end of a 30-day extension sought by the ministry for it to respond to the Ombudsman's call for the passport controversially issued to Thaksin to be revoked."

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/597668-thai-foreign-ministry-responds-to-ombudsman-over-passport-for-thaksin/

On 2013-02-12 we had the Ombudsman submit a letter to the PM asking her to instruct the Foreign Ministry to heed its recommendation. Ombudsman Sriracha Charoenpanich signed letter dated Feb 12, to the prime minister, seeking her reply within 30 days.

Following some more delay (PM very busy you know) and on 2013-04-13

"Also yesterday, Ombudsman Sriracha Charoenphanit said Ying-luck and the government had until the end of this month to explain why Thaksin's passport had not been revoked. Sriracha said the ombudsmen regarded Thaksin a fugitive, so his passport should be cancelled. The ombudsmen are waiting for an explanation from the government."

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/632720-pheu-thai-party-to-announce-stand-on-amnesty-law/?hl=+yingluck++ombudsman++passport

On the 23rd of May we had "the Ombudsman office has yet to hear back from the Prime Minister after the 30 day extension granted in March lapsed in April. The Ombudsman Office is meeting May 28 to determine its next course of action."

Now we have the (late) excuse that the Ombudsman request to revoke a passport 'seemed' to suggest that regulations on passport issuance should be amended, fully ignored that the Ombudsman wanted the passport issued illegally immediately revoked.

BTW one may be excuses to wonder how come foreigners know about the timetable and letters better than some of the government people who don't seem to like to be involved in this hot potato?

Thank you for the timeline perspective.

Phongthep knows the timeline and the letters.

He simply is lying.

It's what criminals do when confronted with the truth.

[mikemac]

"It is humorous to watch the apologists waste their lives trying to defend the indefenisible" = One of the best quotes ever published on this forum. Thanks to egro