Abhisit, Suthep face murder charges

[jaidam]

Maybe Abhisit can do a runner like his mentor's brother.

Red Shirts do things like that.

The names Thaksin and Arisman spring instantly to mind.

Yellow Shirts like Sonthi are still in country, as are Abhisit and Suthep.

Ever thought why Yellow shirts like Sonthi are still in the country? In fact why is he still free to walk the streets having been sentenced to jail for 20 years?

I can think of 2 possibilities.

1) They have the moral strength and courage to stay and defend themselves on all and any charges.

2) They didn't manage to steal enough money to buy a private jet to run away on.

I would not class being shot 200 times as being free to walk the streets.

[gl555]

Name me a better and more honest PM. Thaksin? Samark? Yingluck? I never said he was the perfect PM. But of all the scum that have taken that position, he was one of the better ones.

You criticize Abhisit's cabinets. Take a look at all the honest people there are now in Yingluck's cabinet.

He's not perfect but he sure as hell was much better than Thaksin and his subsequent successor cronies.

Remove the red blinders from your eyes.

It is stupid because we shouldn't be blamed for our father's sins. And Abhisit was one of this country's more honest PMs so him coming into politics was a good thing. I mean put him side by side with that criminal hiding in Dubai. One truly wants to better the country while the other truly wants to enrich himself.

How was he one of the country's most honest PMs?

He lied several times in office. His record in office was also abysmal.

Look at Abhisit's cabinet? What truly honest man would allow any of those people anywhere near the government of a country?

What honest man would bend over and take it from Newin just to get a chance to grab power?

No honest, moral or upstanding man is the answer.

Waken up.

Pridi Banomyong, for one.

The sad part of it is you have to dig back 70 years to find an honest PM who was only in power for a few months.

[metisdead]

Posts getting a bit off topic have been removed.

[jcb2001]

I thought the judges said it was LIKELY that these men were killed by soldiers,not that

they were.

regards Worgeordie

Correct. The conclusion was that the victims were killed by high-powered rifles, the same type used by the Army, although there is no tangible evidence that the weapons were fired by troops. We are, however, all aware that large caches of these weapons and ammo were removed from a military base prior to the riots, so the evidence is, at best, circumstantial.

The case will have be thrown out. If I am proven wrong, and it isn't, then the justice system in Thailand becomes an even greater mockery on the world stage than it already is, and many individuals, and companies, will find themselves needing to reconsider their presence here.

What I find remarkable is that those clowns such as Jatuporn, Arisman and Nattawut have not been convicted of terrorism, inciting riot, inciting arson and other grievous charges, all based upon video evidence, whilst they continue to chase Abhisit and Suthep with such trumped up nonsense...!!?

But, isn't the Criminal Court, who is slated to hear this case, Pro-Thaksin? Does Abhisit really have a snowballs chance in hell with the Criminal Court?

[metisdead]

Off topic posts removed. This is not about Thaksin.

[GentlemanJim]

I cant see this desicion as a laughing matter. What i think is real is that the the public riots in 2010 could have been solved with a totally different metod, like water cannons, massive tear gas and so on. No need to go in with blazing guns and snipers. If we look at the arab spring, the top guys who tried to resolve the uprising the same way now find them self in the dock, some have even been given life sentence.

The reds/blackshirts were armed and had already used those munitions. First rule of a fight, if you can't walk away (because the city is being destroyed both physically and economically) then you don't take a water cannon to a gun fight.

Blackshirts armed and issued with army boots ?

Your arguments are bordering on the pathetic now. There is a fella round the corner sells army boots in his shop, would you like me to mail you a dozen pairs, come to think of it, if I put a pair on does that make me a member of the army.. Go check you tube yourself, there are many vids of the Blackshirts, both in action AND parading with the reds, standing on/behind the stage, standing for inspection by Sae Deng before his own people whacked him. I have no idea what type of old sailor you are but it's definitely not military (or will you claim to be SBS or Seal), you appear to have not the slightest clue about what was going on, who was armed, what they were doing and what the responsibility of a Government is when a city is under seige. You also have no idea of what rules of engagement mean and what the sworn responsibility of the soldiers is. So, save your response and send it to the Beano.

[Robby nz]

Don't rain on their parade Jim.

The PT and red defenders are having a wonderful time convincing each other how dastardly Abhisit is.

It keeps them happy and means they don't have to try and defend the actions of the reds in Chaing Mai yesterday or explain why the rice scheme is good for the country.

[wolfmanjack]

I cant see this desicion as a laughing matter. What i think is real is that the the public riots in 2010 could have been solved with a totally different metod, like water cannons, massive tear gas and so on. No need to go in with blazing guns and snipers. If we look at the arab spring, the top guys who tried to resolve the uprising the same way now find them self in the dock, some have even been given life sentence.

The reds/blackshirts were armed and had already used those munitions. First rule of a fight, if you can't walk away (because the city is being destroyed both physically and economically) then you don't take a water cannon to a gun fight.

Blackshirts armed and issued with army boots ?

You mean to tell me you do not think seh daeng could get army boots for his black shirts the same way he got the m79 grenade lunchers for them?????????????????????????????????

"On 14 January 2010, Army Commander Anupong Paochinda ordered a suspension of Khattiya Sawasdipol after an inquiry committee found that Khattiya had openly supported the DAAD, a political pressure group that called for new elections, which breached the principle that military officers do not take sides in politics.^[5] The following day, Anupong's office in the Royal Thai Army Headquarters was attacked by grenades fired from a M79 grenade launcher, leaving the office demolished but no one injured.^[6] In the news of the attack, Khattiya was described by BBC as a "renegade Thai general who backs anti-government protesters."^[7] A member of the protesters' radical wing, he accused the red-shirt leaders - many who then distanced themselves from him - of not being hardline enough"

[pmugghc]

Let's be honest, you'd have to be one of the 17% medically retarded to believe anything Suthep says.

 

Are you saying 17% of the people in Thailand are retarded? Source? Or 17% of ThaiVisa members?

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[rubl]

Newsflash - newsflash

Robert Amsterdam is said to have condemned the DSI and it's head k. Tharit for obstructing justice and the possible outcome of the request to the ICC. With k. Abhisit / Suthep charged so many times it's getting more and more difficult to convince the ICC that Thailand is not able to handle these alleged criminals themselves. Some UDD leaders are said to mull some possible actions as blocking the DSI offices.

Bangkok, Tongue-in-cheeky

[Baerboxer]

I cant see this desicion as a laughing matter. What i think is real is that the the public riots in 2010 could have been solved with a totally different metod, like water cannons, massive tear gas and so on. No need to go in with blazing guns and snipers. If we look at the arab spring, the top guys who tried to resolve the uprising the same way now find them self in the dock, some have even been given life sentence.

Yeah right. Water canons and tear gas - while the rioters lob grenades and fire copious shots. Were you actually here then? Did you experience the behaviour of the rioters?

[Baerboxer]

I've said it before, as far as I am concerned, the SoE that was in operation at the time is their very simple get out of jail free card.

Of course it was. The army wasn't going to hang themselves without getting the legal plan in place.

But trying to get abhisit is stupid. Using a law like this criminalises any politician for ordering the army to intervene in Thailand against Thais.

What is the legal difference between this and the army acting in the south?

Obviously you do not have a clue. The southern situation is based on outright "terrorism" whereas the Bangkok situation was based on legitimate protest.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. But the Red Shirt protesters lost any legtimacy when they turned to rioting, looting, arson, invading hospitals, shooting at people and throwing grenades. This was all orchestrated by one man, for the benefit of one man, and thankfully did not go according to his plan.

Did you witness this "Bangkok situation' first hand? Were you stopped by these "legitmate protesters' who demanded your passport?

Clueless - yep, sums your post up.

[Sing_Sling]

I think you need to settle down, baerboxer . . . you seem a bit aggro

[Thai at Heart]

DSI nails down Abhisit, Suthep in 2010 political upheaval

By Digital Media

BANGKOK, June 15 The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) has decided to officially file charges of premeditated murder against former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his deputy Suthep Thaugsuban.

DSI director general Tarit Pengdith said a tripartite committee, comprising the attorney general, police and DSI, agreed that the two Democrat Party executives were responsible for the deaths of Pan Kamkong and Kunakorn Srisuwan, and the injury of Samorn Maithong, who joined a political rally in Bangkok in 2010.

The military was responsible for the suppression against demonstrators under an order of the defunct Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) under the supervision of Mr Abhisit and Mr Suthep, the then-deputy prime minister.

Mr Tarit said the two politicians violated the Criminal Law in the premeditated murders.

Though it was clear that victims were killed and injured by military personnel, it could not be pinpointed as yet who the specific shooters were, he said.

He said the DSI will summon Mr Abhisit and Mr Suthep to the Attorney Generals Executive Director Office on Wednesday. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2013-06-15

I like the "nails down" phrase.

With this cooked up claim of collaboration to murder etc etc, the tried to pin the tail on the donkey, and hit its nose.

[ginjag]

Me thinks 90% approx of posters cannot have it wrong. I think it's a fair reading regarding the SO Called legitimate protest. Legitimate far from it, IT WAS A GANG and a nasty one at that most know it few condone it.

These charges are the biggest joke in donkey's years,

Think like this, if the army were NOT there, what the hell do you think would have happened ???? the police were hardly seen.

Had no one acted -do some posters think that all would have been well. were the arms tyres bamboos and red leeders not there BEFORE the army had to move in ???? if so why would they need them if it was a peaceful demo.

To me living in Issan and seeing what what was happening --Thousands left work to get to BKK -paid to cause big time damage, yes before any army involvement.. Amazing

Edited June 15, 2013 by ginjag

[bigbamboo]

Let's be honest, you'd have to be one of the 17% medically retarded to believe anything Suthep says.

Are you saying 17% of the people in Thailand are retarded? Source? Or 17% of ThaiVisa members?

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Let's be honest, you'd have to be one of the 17% medically retarded to believe anything Suthep says.

Are you saying 17% of the people in Thailand are retarded? Source? Or 17% of ThaiVisa members?

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Best leave it. I don't think FarangTalk is the full ticket.

[ginjag]

DSI nails down Abhisit, Suthep in 2010 political upheaval

By Digital Media

BANGKOK, June 15 The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) has decided to officially file charges of premeditated murder against former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his deputy Suthep Thaugsuban.

DSI director general Tarit Pengdith said a tripartite committee, comprising the attorney general, police and DSI, agreed that the two Democrat Party executives were responsible for the deaths of Pan Kamkong and Kunakorn Srisuwan, and the injury of Samorn Maithong, who joined a political rally in Bangkok in 2010.

The military was responsible for the suppression against demonstrators under an order of the defunct Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) under the supervision of Mr Abhisit and Mr Suthep, the then-deputy prime minister.

Mr Tarit said the two politicians violated the Criminal Law in the premeditated murders.

Though it was clear that victims were killed and injured by military personnel, it could not be pinpointed as yet who the specific shooters were, he said.

He said the DSI will summon Mr Abhisit and Mr Suthep to the Attorney Generals Executive Director Office on Wednesday. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2013-06-15

I like the "nails down" phrase.

With this cooked up claim of collaboration to murder etc etc, the tried to pin the tail on the donkey, and hit its nose.

As my post pointed out. totally agree with your post.

[smedly]

The problem with this whole case is as it progresses to possibly the high court and a nonsense guilty verdict is overturned concluded by a biased criminal court - the civil unrest that will follow - the reds will see it as unjust and take to the streets - the debacle created by charges that should never have reached any court in the first place by any legal standards that we from the west are aware of

If and when that happens it will trigger civil unrest like Thailand has never seen before all because the charges should never have been raised in the first place - something I believe that TS is fully aware of

[khunken]

It's been a bit of a grind having to wade through an awful lot of propaganda & anti-Abhisit hatred. Even his father was brought into the discussion which is a new level of off-topic craziness. Oh the sins of the fathers.........

One point not mentioned is the apparent ease of agreement between Tarit, the police & the state prosecutors. It's pretty clear who controls all three supposedly independent branches of Thai 'democracy'.

Wasn't one of the arguments against allowing petitions to be directly submitted to the CC that the public prosecutors were supposed to be impartial?

Well, we've had an answer now.

I have a lot more confidence in the courts (disregarding their bail-itis) and I doubt that these cases will require any lunch boxes.

[Thai at Heart]

The problem with this whole case is as it progresses to possibly the high court and a nonsense guilty verdict is overturned concluded by a biased criminal court - the civil unrest that will follow - the reds will see it as unjust and take to the streets - the debacle created by charges that should never have reached any court in the first place by any legal standards that we from the west are aware of

If and when that happens it will trigger civil unrest like Thailand has never seen before all because the charges should never have been raised in the first place - something I believe that TS is fully aware of

The problem has always been that the judiciary isn't independent. But on this one they can't possibly find a way to convict? Can they?

[animatic]

Stupid argument.

We going to blame him for what his father did? His grandfather? How about his ancestors?

One does things to benefit one's self while the other doesn't mind facing jail time to do the right thing.

Was Abhisit's father doing the right thing when he was part of Suchinda's brutal regime?

Hardly stupid considering his father was his inspiration behind his entry into politics, then latterly; Chuan Leekpai.

The apple never falls far from the tree.

It could be argued that taking things at face value, with scant knowledge of Thai political history (other than the last decade) when making wild proclamations about Thai politicians' honesty or motives, is even more ridiculous, but I digress.

Personally I don't think he will need to run as he is too well protected by his backers and coup-makers in the establishment, although I wouldn't be surprised to see him betrayed and stabbed in the back then thrown to the lions as a scapegoat. Such is the nature of the people we are dealing with here.

So your argument is;

The Sins Of The Father Should Be Visited On The Son.

Sorry, no sale.

[jcb2001]

Maybe Abhisit can do a runner like his mentor's brother.

"Mentor's brother? Do you mean Thaksin or am I not aware of who you are talking about? Why would Abhisit run? He's not a coward and will face whatever charges are slapped on him. Not like TS, who thinks he can do no wrong and is above the law.

[khunken]

Maybe Abhisit can do a runner like his mentor's brother.

"Mentor's brother? Do you mean Thaksin or am I not aware of who you are talking about? Why would Abhisit run? He's not a coward and will face whatever charges are slapped on him. Not like TS, who thinks he can do no wrong and is above the law.

He meant Chuan Leekpai's brother. The poster is a master of introducing irrelevant 'facts' into the topic.

[Thai at Heart]

The problem with this whole case is as it progresses to possibly the high court and a nonsense guilty verdict is overturned concluded by a biased criminal court - the civil unrest that will follow - the reds will see it as unjust and take to the streets - the debacle created by charges that should never have reached any court in the first place by any legal standards that we from the west are aware of

If and when that happens it will trigger civil unrest like Thailand has never seen before all because the charges should never have been raised in the first place - something I believe that TS is fully aware of

The problem has always been that the judiciary isn't independent. But on this one they can't possibly find a way to convict? Can they?

Well unless you've seen the evidence that will be presented you will not know will you? How can you possibly say they can't possibly convict them? Is it because in your eyes, they cannot possibly have broken any laws?

The prime minster gives orders and rules of engagement. If the army follows the rules of engagement it's lawful, just as though a policeman shoots you if he follows the rules and you don't.

If the army breaks the rules of engagement it is the army who breaks the rules. Abhisit didn't order anyone to murder anyone. I am no democrat lover but this is a dog and pony show.

[metisdead]

Off topic obfuscation posts have been removed.

[whybother]

The biggest problem here for Abhisit is that while in office he didn't have a mandate from the people.

But he was elected by a majority of the people's representatives, wasn't he? Just like the current PM.

[GentlemanJim]

The problem with this whole case is as it progresses to possibly the high court and a nonsense guilty verdict is overturned concluded by a biased criminal court - the civil unrest that will follow - the reds will see it as unjust and take to the streets - the debacle created by charges that should never have reached any court in the first place by any legal standards that we from the west are aware of

If and when that happens it will trigger civil unrest like Thailand has never seen before all because the charges should never have been raised in the first place - something I believe that TS is fully aware of

The problem has always been that the judiciary isn't independent. But on this one they can't possibly find a way to convict? Can they?

Well unless you've seen the evidence that will be presented you will not know will you? How can you possibly say they can't possibly convict them? Is it because in your eyes, they cannot possibly have broken any laws?

No, it's because no sane person could consider for a moment that they can be charged with and found guilty of "pre-meditated Murder". You won't need Petrocelli to get them off that charge, I could do it myself.

"A'hem, M'Lud, honorable members of the judicial jury, a'hem, we av two people, messers Abhisit and Suthep charged with Pre-meditated murder. I shall begin the case for the defence.

"Premeditated murder is the crime of wrongfully causing the death of another human being (also known as murder) after rationally considering the timing or method of doing so, in order to either increase the likelihood of success, or to evade detection or apprehension."

The defence rests its case M'lud, shall we retire for tea and medals"

Edited June 15, 2013 by GentlemanJim

[rixalex]

Don't get me wrong, I still regard your comment that Abhisit is one of the most upstanding ones is wrong, he's just as bad as the rest. Yingluck hasn't been responsible for the deaths of her own people, so regardless of anything else, that places her above Abhisit in my eyes.

Of course Yingluck is "responsible" for the deaths of her own people. She is the one running this country, at least in title anyway, if perhaps not a lot else, and pretty much every week in Thailand, Thai authorities end up killing people, for one reason or another, be they killed at the hands of soldiers or be they killed at the hands of police. She is responsible for that because she is the one overseeing everything.

Is she responsible however for murdering people, as Abhisit is now ridiculously being charged? Of course not. And neither is Abhisit. For you to believe Abhisit as guilty of such a crime, but Yingluck somehow not, makes no sense at all. Unless perhaps you happen to be a red shirt.

[mikemac]

"Obviously you do not have a clue. The southern situation is based on outright "terrorism" whereas the Bangkok situation was based on legitimate protest."........

If this "legitimate protest" you refer to took place in any other country it would only have lasted a day or so before the Army wiped them out like the scum they are. In most countries the police and army have a licence to kill terrorists.

Edited June 15, 2013 by mikemac

[noitom]

While "murder" charges are being filed against a former elected PM, criminal charges for vehicular homicide , DUI, bribery, obstruction of justice and whatever else are conspicuously absent in any news on the high profile Ferrari hit and run killing of a Bangkok police officer on duty at the time. Preposterous hypocrisy Thailand. No one in most countries would escape prosecution in such a high profile and malicious instance.