DSI's new super-car list targets Thailand's rich

[Dogbreath]

I love how these scandal stories come out in the papers on Friday nights and Saturdays to give them all weekend to defuse.

They are just taking a page out of the Obama administration handbook. Titled: Chapter 13. The Friday Night Dump and How to Make it Work For You.

[kurnell]

THAI AT HEART...... i agree with you. Its very fishy all this sudden interest in luxury tax evasion. Are they guilty?

If it was bought from a crooked licenced dealer then maybe theyre not. This is Thailand . If you've imported a car though back channels then you know whats going on and theyve been doing it for years. (i used to export cars from UK to Aust) Tax +uplift +sales tax in Thailand was about 600% all up in 1980's

Its not just cars. What about brand cosmetics,French perfumes and expensive wines?

Top shelf wines worth tens of thousands of baht per case are smuggled in from Australian wine agents via Singapore road freight.

Perfumes and cosmetics are smuggled in with TG and others of course.

Ever seen a poverty stricken flight attendant? Alot of them are p/t smugglers including QANTAS in the west.

Shh. That wine tastes great

[OzMick]

How come a lowly Sergeant (doesn't say Police or Army) afford to own a fancy sports car, even if it is said to be second hand. OK he may have private means, but it does seem a bit 'iffy'.

Cmon do you really think it's "iffy" for a sergeant to own a second hand car that cost 1.3 million, whats to say he has not got it on the drip paying it off in monthly installments.

13 million well than yes I would call that "iffy".

What do you think a sergeant (of whatever service) receives as a monthly salary? Interest on a mill would take a big slab of it, and I would expect a loan for a used car to be no longer than 5 years.

[scorecard]

The DSI is summonsing all concerned to appear for interview on a date at their convenience sometime in the next 50 years.

Wonder if any of them (many of them) will repeat back to Tarit his own words and actions of a few weeks

ago when he refused to attend an interview - too busy?

[kennedy]

How come a lowly Sergeant (doesn't say Police or Army) afford to own a fancy sports car, even if it is said to be second hand. OK he may have private means, but it does seem a bit 'iffy'.

The Sergeant is a sports hero.

Worapoj to lead Thai boxers on Asian Games mission. Eight Thai fighters spearheaded by former Olympic silver medalist Worapoj Phetkhum .

Don't spoil another "hate the rich" thread with something as boring as facts !

Soi 41, Do me a favor, define rich for me. Then I'll know whom to hate, and who's a$$ to kiss. When you get done chasing your tail, get back to me.

[tragickingdom]

It is not a matter of targeting the rich. We would hope that they targeted the rich, than everyone would be treated as Thaksin and should pay tax on capital income and profits on book value. What subsequent governments are doing is profiling the enemy and set an example. If Abhisit comes in power again, he would go after poor farmers in Izan just like Chuan and would refuse to pay for land that is taken from farmers for the use of useless dams and he would go after the Shinawatra's and Chalerm's of this world. This government is going after opposition supporters and wow it hurts when they confiscate your Ferrari as it is an extension of their d**k

[billd766]

It is not a matter of targeting the rich. We would hope that they targeted the rich, than everyone would be treated as Thaksin and should pay tax on capital income and profits on book value. What subsequent governments are doing is profiling the enemy and set an example. If Abhisit comes in power again, he would go after poor farmers in Izan just like Chuan and would refuse to pay for land that is taken from farmers for the use of useless dams and he would go after the Shinawatra's and Chalerm's of this world. This government is going after opposition supporters and wow it hurts when they confiscate your Ferrari as it is an extension of their d**k

Do you really believe that or are you reading from the Red Shirt book of truths according to Thaksin?

[HerbalEd]

I love how these scandal stories come out in the papers on Friday nights and Saturdays to give them all weekend to defuse.

I love how these scandal stories come out in the papers on Friday nights and Saturdays to give them all weekend to defuse.

Have you actually researched every article and know full well that they only appear on Friday & Saturday? Actually I have seen several newspaper articles on this subject that also came out on other days besides Friday & Saturday.

[HerbalEd]

It's rather amusing to read all the posts here from so many who make up unsubstantiated conclusions of intrigue and conspiracy when they actually don't know anything factually. To those (but not you, of course) I say: Yes, there is indeed a lot of corruption in Thailand, and the essence of what you infer may well be true. But try talking about what you actually know ... or at least state that it's your theory. You know, like "Well I think this is going on" or "I'd bet such and such." It would give you so much more credibility and you won't come off sounding like a kook.

But what do I know ... maybe some enjoy being a kook and can't be bothered with things like facts and truth.

Edited June 15, 2013 by HerbalEd

[asiamaster]

Quote: Among the six vehicles was a Bentley with trading plates that were initially linked to a company called Born to Run Co Ltd. However, the company claimed it had no knowledge of the car.

Interesting company name.....

[julemanden]

How come a lowly Sergeant (doesn't say Police or Army) afford to own a fancy sports car, even if it is said to be second hand. OK he may have private means, but it does seem a bit 'iffy'.

There are many many more like him in the police force. The Sarge i know has a BM and wears a pair of 50k designer glasses not bad for 17 k per month

Probably both fakes

[Bagwan]

THAI AT HEART...... i agree with you. Its very fishy all this sudden interest in luxury tax evasion. Are they guilty?

If it was bought from a crooked licenced dealer then maybe theyre not. This is Thailand . If you've imported a car though back channels then you know whats going on and theyve been doing it for years. (i used to export cars from UK to Aust) Tax +uplift +sales tax in Thailand was about 600% all up in 1980's

Its not just cars. What about brand cosmetics,French perfumes and expensive wines?

Top shelf wines worth tens of thousands of baht per case are smuggled in from Australian wine agents via Singapore road freight.

Perfumes and cosmetics are smuggled in with TG and others of course.

Ever seen a poverty stricken flight attendant? Alot of them are p/t smugglers including QANTAS in the west.

Reminds me of the good old days in the late 40's and early 50's. The Captain of an aircraft would own an Austin and the Flight Steward drove a Riley or better. No drugs and porn then so it was cigarettes, cigars and booze being brought in, many times on behalf of Customs Officers. Once before leaving on a trip to Valencia and back, I was called into the Custom head honcho's office and given a shopping list and the dosh to pay for everything - with a nice little earner for me. It was the list of booze he needed for his daughter's wedding party. On the return trip we were diverted to Stanstead and I had a sticky 30 minutes or so until a call was made to Heathrow. I guess that the phone line got a little hot.

[Spoonman]

How come a lowly Sergeant (doesn't say Police or Army) afford to own a fancy sports car, even if it is said to be second hand. OK he may have private means, but it does seem a bit 'iffy'.

Cmon do you really think it's "iffy" for a sergeant to own a second hand car that cost 1.3 million, whats to say he has not got it on the drip paying it off in monthly installments.

13 million well than yes I would call that "iffy".

What do you think a sergeant (of whatever service) receives as a monthly salary? Interest on a mill would take a big slab of it, and I would expect a loan for a used car to be no longer than 5 years.

I reckon he could service the loan given a reasonable deposit on his sergeant salary, can get a car loan for 7 years.

Thai's buy 1.1 million baht fortuners on the drip so why would a 1.3 million baht RX8 be that much different ?

Edited June 15, 2013 by Spoonman

[Pops]

quote:

"Sergeant Worapoj Phetkhum, owner of a luxury car on Monday's list, said he would take legal action against the seller if inspection of his Mazda RX8 sports car shows it had been modified to avoid taxes.

"I bought it more than a year ago for Bt1.3million. It's a second-hand car," Worapoj said."

A Sergeant, probably making a salary of 12 to 15,000 THB a month, buying a 1,3 million THB second hand luxury vehicle might raise different questions all together and how could a 1,3 million THB vehicle end up on a list of of vehicles valued at 4 million THB and up ?

[OzMick]

How come a lowly Sergeant (doesn't say Police or Army) afford to own a fancy sports car, even if it is said to be second hand. OK he may have private means, but it does seem a bit 'iffy'.

Cmon do you really think it's "iffy" for a sergeant to own a second hand car that cost 1.3 million, whats to say he has not got it on the drip paying it off in monthly installments.

13 million well than yes I would call that "iffy".

What do you think a sergeant (of whatever service) receives as a monthly salary? Interest on a mill would take a big slab of it, and I would expect a loan for a used car to be no longer than 5 years.

I reckon he could service the loan given a reasonable deposit on his sergeant salary, can get a car loan for 7 years.

Thai's buy 1.1 million baht fortuners on the drip so why would a 1.3 million baht RX8 be that much different ?

Yes on a salary of B15000/month , it is every satang he would earn in 7 years, without interest.

Edited June 15, 2013 by OzMick

[Spoonman]

Yes on a salary of B15000/month , it is every satang he would earn in 7 years, without interest.

So you are saying it is not possible for a person on a salary of 15k per month to get finance on a vehicle worth Bt.1.3m ?

Please do tell how you come to this claim.

[OzMick]

Yes on a salary of B15000/month , it is every satang he would earn in 7 years, without interest.

So you are saying it is not possible for a person on a salary of 15k per month to get finance on a vehicle worth Bt.1.3m ?

Please do tell how you come to this claim.

No I am not saying that at all. I am saying that B1 300 000 is about 7 years earnings for a person on B15 000/m, and that to afford such a vehicle it should be obvious that money is coming from other sources - like B100 traffic "fines". Exactly what the post that started this conversation called "iffy".

[Spoonman]

Yes on a salary of B15000/month , it is every satang he would earn in 7 years, without interest.

So you are saying it is not possible for a person on a salary of 15k per month to get finance on a vehicle worth Bt.1.3m ?

Please do tell how you come to this claim.

No I am not saying that at all. I am saying that B1 300 000 is about 7 years earnings for a person on B15 000/m, and that to afford such a vehicle it should be obvious that money is coming from other sources - like B100 traffic "fines". Exactly what the post that started this conversation called "iffy".

Humour me then, hows does a "normal" salary earning Thai afford to pay off a vehicle that costs not a lot less of which there are many.

My reason to ask about the "iffy" as I do not believe it to be an unreasonable figure for a Thai to get finance on, you obviously do not agree.

[OzMick]

You do realise most thai's get a bonus of 3 to 5 months salary per year ?

I will be generous with you claim - at 5 months bonus they have paid B200,000 payments on a car, and the other B60,000 is for rent, food, clothing, school fees, running expenses for the bloody car, etc, etc, etc. I don't know many thais on a B15000/m, but those I do know drive B600-700,000 pick-ups and struggle unless their is a second income.

Edited June 15, 2013 by OzMick

[Baerboxer]

This is starting to look like a deliberate diversionary tactic to draw attention away from the Rice pledge altough both may be interconnected.

We are to believe that gov authorities have only now discovered that rich people are scamming the tax department out of billions of bahts on

luxury imports. Its been going on for many years.

Who are they going to investigate? Alot of these guys are protected by armed body guards most of whom are mentally unhinged ex cops and soldiers.

They'll probably arrest a 67 year old farang driving an unregistered Toyota corolla in pattaya.

WE GOT HIM!!

WELL DONE bib !

Ahh, so basically, your argument is that the failure of the previous Abhisit led government to take action means that the current government should continue his administration's previous lack of law enforcement. Interesting opinion.

Ahh, I agree. The failure of previous governments to enforce the law, such as Abshisit or Thaksins should not mean this democratically elected people's party should do the same. I look forward to seeing all "owners" rigorously checked - including PTP and Shiniwattra family members, in an open and transparent process. This will be in parallel to enforcing the laws on passport issuance and punishing anyone involved in illegally issuing new or replacement passports to fugitive criminals.

Do you really think, given their recent track record, that the DSI do anything that is not politically motivated? Let's see.

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed.

[EyesWideOpen]

quote:

"Sergeant Worapoj Phetkhum, owner of a luxury car on Monday's list, said he would take legal action against the seller if inspection of his Mazda RX8 sports car shows it had been modified to avoid taxes.

"I bought it more than a year ago for Bt1.3million. It's a second-hand car," Worapoj said."

A Sergeant, probably making a salary of 12 to 15,000 THB a month, buying a 1,3 million THB second hand luxury vehicle might raise different questions all together and how could a 1,3 million THB vehicle end up on a list of of vehicles valued at 4 million THB and up ?

Yeah that is just plain silly. Must be some some of strategy to quiet the hounds baying for blood by throwing a few minnows out. A 1.3 million baht used car? Please..... Based upon that, they will be hauling in Fortuna owners for a grilling at the police station... :-) Bring on the good stuff, I want to see a police sergeant with a Lambo.... Edited June 15, 2013 by EyesWideOpen

[geriatrickid]

This is starting to look like a deliberate diversionary tactic to draw attention away from the Rice pledge altough both may be interconnected.

We are to believe that gov authorities have only now discovered that rich people are scamming the tax department out of billions of bahts on

luxury imports. Its been going on for many years.

Who are they going to investigate? Alot of these guys are protected by armed body guards most of whom are mentally unhinged ex cops and soldiers.

They'll probably arrest a 67 year old farang driving an unregistered Toyota corolla in pattaya.

WE GOT HIM!!

WELL DONE bib !

Ahh, so basically, your argument is that the failure of the previous Abhisit led government to take action means that the current government should continue his administration's previous lack of law enforcement. Interesting opinion.

Wow GK, but but but Abhisit! Why don't you have a Saturday morning lay in.

If I were named by this mob like this I would use Thai law to its full extent and sue their asses off.

And you would lose your case. All that the DSI has done is report that it has seized vehicles that do not comply with the import regulations. It has provided a listing of the vehicles seized.

The DSI is to be commended for the transparency being shown. The declaration of the inventory and the ownership of the seized assets addresses the concerns (or should I say cheap allegations) that many foreigners make that the vehicles are seized only to disappear. The declaration of seized assets is actually a proper way of doing things as it ensures that the public that the assets are identified and are less likely to be stolen by officials. As well, there is nothing illegal in providing the ownership of the assets now under seizure.

Are you unhappy because the DSI has taken action? The seizure sends a strong message to the implicated parties and will act as a deterrent. The people named are not unsophisticated people. Now, if you were named for having an illegally imported luxury vehicle, then you could proceed with your claim of taking legal action. However, please note that you will first have to have the funds to purchase the vehicle, and then you will have to import the vehicle by questionable means before you can proceed with your legal action.

[geriatrickid]

This is starting to look like a deliberate diversionary tactic to draw attention away from the Rice pledge altough both may be interconnected.

We are to believe that gov authorities have only now discovered that rich people are scamming the tax department out of billions of bahts on

luxury imports. Its been going on for many years.

Who are they going to investigate? Alot of these guys are protected by armed body guards most of whom are mentally unhinged ex cops and soldiers.

They'll probably arrest a 67 year old farang driving an unregistered Toyota corolla in pattaya.

WE GOT HIM!!

WELL DONE bib !

Ahh, so basically, your argument is that the failure of the previous Abhisit led government to take action means that the current government should continue his administration's previous lack of law enforcement. Interesting opinion.

Ahh, I agree. The failure of previous governments to enforce the law, such as Abshisit or Thaksins should not mean this democratically elected people's party should do the same. I look forward to seeing all "owners" rigorously checked - including PTP and Shiniwattra family members, in an open and transparent process. This will be in parallel to enforcing the laws on passport issuance and punishing anyone involved in illegally issuing new or replacement passports to fugitive criminals.

Do you really think, given their recent track record, that the DSI do anything that is not politically motivated? Let's see.

You can rest assured that the PM does not drive an illegally imported vehicle. The same applies for Abhisit.

They both have sufficient financial means by which to comply with the existing laws.

[EyesWideOpen]

This is starting to look like a deliberate diversionary tactic to draw attention away from the Rice pledge altough both may be interconnected.

We are to believe that gov authorities have only now discovered that rich people are scamming the tax department out of billions of bahts on

luxury imports. Its been going on for many years.

Who are they going to investigate? Alot of these guys are protected by armed body guards most of whom are mentally unhinged ex cops and soldiers.

They'll probably arrest a 67 year old farang driving an unregistered Toyota corolla in pattaya.

WE GOT HIM!!

WELL DONE bib !

Ahh, so basically, your argument is that the failure of the previous Abhisit led government to take action means that the current government should continue his administration's previous lack of law enforcement. Interesting opinion.

Ahh, I agree. The failure of previous governments to enforce the law, such as Abshisit or Thaksins should not mean this democratically elected people's party should do the same. I look forward to seeing all "owners" rigorously checked - including PTP and Shiniwattra family members, in an open and transparent process. This will be in parallel to enforcing the laws on passport issuance and punishing anyone involved in illegally issuing new or replacement passports to fugitive criminals.

Do you really think, given their recent track record, that the DSI do anything that is not politically motivated? Let's see.

You can rest assured that the PM does not drive an illegally imported vehicle. The same applies for Abhisit.

They both have sufficient financial means by which to comply with the existing laws.

Not sure what car the PM drives around, but Chalerm certainly has cars worth many millions of baht. Are you implying with a straight face, that when Chalerm is at the dealership buying a car, and is offered the grey market price of 10 million baht, or the real tax price of 38 million baht ( 280% tax), that Chalerm will gladly choose the 38 million baht price knowing his tax money is going to help Thailand become a better place ?? I think that perhaps you do not know Thailand as well as you think you do...

[OzMick]

You can rest assured that the PM does not drive an illegally imported vehicle. The same applies for Abhisit.

They both have sufficient financial means by which to comply with the existing laws.

If you can get away with perjury, why would you be worried about a little tax evasion?

[rubl]

"They both have sufficient financial means by which to comply with the existing laws."

Oh boy! There seems to be a very faint suggestion that anyone who has enough money will strictly comply with existing laws. Now that's nice. For a moment I feared I'd be the naive one here on this forum :-)

[noitom]

"List Targets Rich" - Who else would be on the list besides Thailand's rich?

[Spoonman]

This is starting to look like a deliberate diversionary tactic to draw attention away from the Rice pledge altough both may be interconnected.

We are to believe that gov authorities have only now discovered that rich people are scamming the tax department out of billions of bahts on

luxury imports. Its been going on for many years.

Who are they going to investigate? Alot of these guys are protected by armed body guards most of whom are mentally unhinged ex cops and soldiers.

They'll probably arrest a 67 year old farang driving an unregistered Toyota corolla in pattaya.

WE GOT HIM!!

WELL DONE bib !

Ahh, so basically, your argument is that the failure of the previous Abhisit led government to take action means that the current government should continue his administration's previous lack of law enforcement. Interesting opinion.

Ahh, I agree. The failure of previous governments to enforce the law, such as Abshisit or Thaksins should not mean this democratically elected people's party should do the same. I look forward to seeing all "owners" rigorously checked - including PTP and Shiniwattra family members, in an open and transparent process. This will be in parallel to enforcing the laws on passport issuance and punishing anyone involved in illegally issuing new or replacement passports to fugitive criminals.

Do you really think, given their recent track record, that the DSI do anything that is not politically motivated? Let's see.

You can rest assured that the PM does not drive an illegally imported vehicle. The same applies for Abhisit.

They both have sufficient financial means by which to comply with the existing laws.

Abhisit has a government owned armoured Range Rover.

[Thai at Heart]

"List Targets Rich" - Who else would be on the list besides Thailand's rich?

Thailand's massively corrupt?