Four detainees die in blaze at Nonthaburi police station

[Robi Schwab]

The guard was probably more drunk or drugged than the poor victims.

Maybe the betting parlor was the cause of the blaze? I do not trust the BIB or their stories.

PLEASE? Help me out here would someone? W T F does BIB stand for?

Boys in Brown

Oh THANK YOU so MUCH okay. Sincerely appreciated.

[belg]

wow, that is a new variant of the : driver runs away after causing deadly accident

so, where were the actual police ?

with their mia nois and could not be disturbed to go open the gate ?

[rookball]

i had been through a mild fire accident before, its not that easy as you guys made it out and its impossible to breath. remember the first time you tried a cigar the way by inhaling? its about 10 times worst and its at every single breath you are taking

depending on the scenario, the police could be really struggling himself and blames are not just entirely on him. the electrician, the fire route, sop during fire etc etc

[Espen]

first of all - how many of you would be hero's have actually been in a fire situation in a building ?

Most fires smoke is what kills and it kills fast, from the pictures this fire looked pretty serious, I don't know if these guys could have been saved or not and I don't know if the officer could have made a more effective attempt to save them, in the dark (pitch black) can't breath - I challenge anyone here to do better

I've been in a situation like this and was driven back by smoke and heat - as it happens nobody died but could easily have happened - they jumped out of an upstairs bedroom window

We all know about building standards here and regulations, unfortunately they are not to the same standards as the west, should we blame the officers who attempted to save them - I think not

Best post yet.

Who can say that the officer didn`t do everything he could to save those people!

Smoke from a fire in the "right" conditions can be so poisonous that it knocks you out after one draw of breath.

I think some people are very quick to point fingers.

But in a place where people are locked in a cell with no way of getting out by themselves, there should absolutely be some kind of fire protection system. This was really a very horrible accident. What a nightmare.

[oldsailor35]

Naret said the families were more understanding...................................................after they each received their Bht50,000 i expect !

[realenglish1]

Question:

Why don't the police stations have a sprinkler system as well as the cells

[oldsailor35]

Why the 2 blanked sections on the photograph?

It looks like a corpse lying there.

[oldsailor35]

So will the officer in charge have anything to answer for ?

[oldsailor35]

bath 50,000 initial compensation for the relative to stock up more yaaba, buy bigger gun, those parished is disease to comunity this serve them right....

Yes because drug uses deserve the death penalty.. god it is true that only the dumbest foreigners come to Thailand.. I just found confirmation.

Speaking for yourself rob ?

[oldsailor35]

bath 50,000 initial compensation for the relative to stock up more yaaba, buy bigger gun, those parished is disease to comunity this serve them right....

Are you for real? You need to develop a bit of empathy. I doubt very much that their crimes warranted being burned to death, or that their relatives are gun toting drug addicts.

i agree with you giddyup, no one knows what these prisoners are in for, could be for petty crimes, what a short sighted narrow minded thing to say

How about reading the press report AGAIN !

[techboy]

The Thai police runner leaving the four to die and the newspaper "excusing it away" by stating that he was injured "also." What a sham coverup of negligence.

I do not see anything excused away. The man's individual efforts were not effective and he went to get help. That is all that you know. The rest is rotten speculation on your part. Does it occur to you that the guard may be miserable and guilt-ridden because he was unable to rescue the people? But why look at it that way. Take advantage of a tragedy to kick em when they're down. Eh fella?

[oldsailor35]

Naret said if police were found negligent, they would be subject to disciplinary action.

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Perhaps briefly harshly spoken to or sent to inactive post for a week.

Probably won't get any tea money this month !

[oldsailor35]

Many Western Australian lockups are unmanned as the officers continue their standard patrol duties while prisoners are locked up. Not very safe either.

So do you expect us to believe that. There are strict rules concerning Health & Safety in Australia. I am sure that the WA police could not lock people up and then just walk away to do something else. If you have proof, please report this . Otherwise if there is such a fire then you can consider yourself culpable.

[oldsailor35]

The guard was probably more drunk or drugged than the poor victims.

Maybe the betting parlor was the cause of the blaze? I do not trust the BIB or their stories.

PLEASE? Help me out here would someone? W T F does BIB stand for?

Boys in Brown = common reference to Royal Thai Police because of their uniforms.

[giddyup]

bath 50,000 initial compensation for the relative to stock up more yaaba, buy bigger gun, those parished is disease to comunity this serve them right....

Are you for real? You need to develop a bit of empathy. I doubt very much that their crimes warranted being burned to death, or that their relatives are gun toting drug addicts.

i agree with you giddyup, no one knows what these prisoners are in for, could be for petty crimes, what a short sighted narrow minded thing to say

How about reading the press report AGAIN !

Drugs and guns, does that merit death by being burned alive?

[oldsailor35]

i had been through a mild fire accident before, its not that easy as you guys made it out and its impossible to breath. remember the first time you tried a cigar the way by inhaling? its about 10 times worst and its at every single breath you are taking

depending on the scenario, the police could be really struggling himself and blames are not just entirely on him. the electrician, the fire route, sop during fire etc etc

But surely such a fire would not be instantaneous like a petrol fire. If it was electrical, there would have been some warning unless the cop was asleep.

It appears to be in the Thai male mental make up, that if something goes wrong that they cannot 'handle' like a bus or car crash, or some kind of an arguement or this fire situation, they just either do a 'bolter' or turn violent.

[oldsailor35]

I reckon that all prisoners should be issued with a key, just in case they are left alone.

[harrry]

Many Western Australian lockups are unmanned as the officers continue their standard patrol duties while prisoners are locked up. Not very safe either.

So do you expect us to believe that. There are strict rules concerning Health & Safety in Australia. I am sure that the WA police could not lock people up and then just walk away to do something else. If you have proof, please report this . Otherwise if there is such a fire then you can consider yourself culpable.

http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/3ae6a99a0.pdf

page 10 will answer your question about that.

Before you say someone is wrong you should checik the facts.,

Edited July 8, 2013 by harrry

[kannot]

Naret said if police were found negligent, they would be subject to disciplinary action.

The station gave each family Bt50,000 as initial compensation.

by the fact that they have already handed out compensation doesn't this already infer that the police have admitted negligence ?

nope, include wording "without prejudice"

[hellodolly]

Many Western Australian lockups are unmanned as the officers continue their standard patrol duties while prisoners are locked up. Not very safe either.

So do you expect us to believe that. There are strict rules concerning Health & Safety in Australia. I am sure that the WA police could not lock people up and then just walk away to do something else. If you have proof, please report this . Otherwise if there is such a fire then you can consider yourself culpable.

http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/3ae6a99a0.pdf

page 10 will answer your question about that.

Before you say someone is wrong you should checik the facts.,

You were right on. I guess all the Australians here will not want to compare the treatment of prisoners in Australia to the treatment here in Thailand. One and the same.

I can not imagine leaving the men locked in a jail cell every night for 4 to 6 hours.

But that apparently is a common occurrence in Australia.

[Espen]

bath 50,000 initial compensation for the relative to stock up more yaaba, buy bigger gun, those parished is disease to comunity this serve them right....

Are you for real? You need to develop a bit of empathy. I doubt very much that their crimes warranted being burned to death, or that their relatives are gun toting drug addicts.

i agree with you giddyup, no one knows what these prisoners are in for, could be for petty crimes, what a short sighted narrow minded thing to say

Drugs and guns, does that merit death by being burned alive?

I am curious to see where this is going. What merits death by being burned alive? Being a Witch?

Farangdum is obviously making a tasteless trolling post. (Usernamepun intended.)

[Espen]

I reckon that all prisoners should be issued with a key, just in case they are left alone.

[Soutpeel]

I reckon that all prisoners should be issued with a key, just in case they are left alone.

and they could also step out and get a quick soapie if they felt like it..

[Soutpeel]

The guard was probably more drunk or drugged than the poor victims.

Maybe the betting parlor was the cause of the blaze? I do not trust the BIB or their stories.

PLEASE? Help me out here would someone? W T F does BIB stand for?

Boys in Brown = common reference to Royal Thai Police because of their uniforms.

Bandit in Brown is more approriate in Thailand me thinks

[Suradit69]

"if this police station had been operating in the west - well it wouldn't be operating it would have been shut down - TIT - health and safety standards don't exist or rather they might exist but are ignored and or not enforced"

I sometimes think some of the TV posters confuse "the west" with Disney's Fantasy Land.

Prison deaths rising as cutbacks take effect .Resource cutbacks are putting an increasing strain on the prison system in England and Wales, with a growing current of deaths, attempted suicides and assaults, according to the chief inspector of prisons.

WASHINGTON — More than 2,000 criminal suspects died in police custody over a three-year period, half of them killed by officers as they scuffled or attempted to flee, the government said Thursday.

The review found 55 percent of the 2,002 arrest-related deaths from 2003 through 2005 were due to homicide by state and local law enforcement officers. Alcohol and drug intoxication caused 13 percent of the deaths, followed by suicides at 12 percent, accidental injury at 7 percent and illness or natural causes at 6 percent. The causes for the deaths of the remaining 7 percent were unknown.

1,433 people in England and Wales have died either in police custody or following other police contact since 1990, according to data compiled by Inquest, a charity specialising in the investigation of contentious deaths.

950 deaths took place in custody, 317 following a police pursuit, 112 were the result of a road traffic incident involving a police vehicle and 54 were police shootings.

[robblok]

bath 50,000 initial compensation for the relative to stock up more yaaba, buy bigger gun, those parished is disease to comunity this serve them right....

Yes because drug uses deserve the death penalty.. god it is true that only the dumbest foreigners come to Thailand.. I just found confirmation.

Speaking for yourself rob ?

Nope, to people who seem to think that drug users deserve to get burned alive as punishment for their crime. A totally crazy attitude to say the least, i hope I am mistaken in thinking you share that opinion. Else you are also one of the people i was talking about.

[Tchooptip]

first of all - how many of you would be hero's have actually been in a fire situation in a building ?

Most fires smoke is what kills and it kills fast, from the pictures this fire looked pretty serious, I don't know if these guys could have been saved or not and I don't know if the officer could have made a more effective attempt to save them, in the dark (pitch black) can't breath - I challenge anyone here to do better

I've been in a situation like this and was driven back by smoke and heat - as it happens nobody died but could easily have happened - they jumped out of an upstairs bedroom window

We all know about building standards here and regulations, unfortunately they are not to the same standards as the west, should we blame the officers who attempted to save them - I think not

...and that is why we should not be outraged?

Because we know, the security measures suck?

According my earlier comment, they died because the lights went out and the guarding officer couldn't find the key in the dark (at least, it says so in the OP).

Do you know, what could have prevented that?

1) a flashlight, available at any 7eleven for 65 Baht and 2 batteries!

2) giving a sh1t!

Not sure he would have found the flashlight in pitch dark

More seriously sometimes in a blaze, with the smokes it could be totally imposible to take a single breathe without fainting... So, we do not know !

[DocN]

first of all - how many of you would be hero's have actually been in a fire situation in a building ?

Most fires smoke is what kills and it kills fast, from the pictures this fire looked pretty serious, I don't know if these guys could have been saved or not and I don't know if the officer could have made a more effective attempt to save them, in the dark (pitch black) can't breath - I challenge anyone here to do better

I've been in a situation like this and was driven back by smoke and heat - as it happens nobody died but could easily have happened - they jumped out of an upstairs bedroom window

We all know about building standards here and regulations, unfortunately they are not to the same standards as the west, should we blame the officers who attempted to save them - I think not

...and that is why we should not be outraged?

Because we know, the security measures suck?

According my earlier comment, they died because the lights went out and the guarding officer couldn't find the key in the dark (at least, it says so in the OP).

Do you know, what could have prevented that?

1) a flashlight, available at any 7eleven for 65 Baht and 2 batteries!

2) giving a sh1t!

Not sure he would have found the flashlight in pitch dark

More seriously sometimes in a blaze, with the smokes it could be totally imposible to take a single breathe without fainting... So, we do not know !

I guess...just a guess....that there was not clean air in one second and masses of poisonous smoke the next second.

And if you HAVE a flashlight and you KNOW it is in the top drawer of your office desk, you MIGHT find it...even in the dark!

But sure: we do not know!

[Espen]

first of all - how many of you would be hero's have actually been in a fire situation in a building ?

Most fires smoke is what kills and it kills fast, from the pictures this fire looked pretty serious, I don't know if these guys could have been saved or not and I don't know if the officer could have made a more effective attempt to save them, in the dark (pitch black) can't breath - I challenge anyone here to do better

I've been in a situation like this and was driven back by smoke and heat - as it happens nobody died but could easily have happened - they jumped out of an upstairs bedroom window

We all know about building standards here and regulations, unfortunately they are not to the same standards as the west, should we blame the officers who attempted to save them - I think not

...and that is why we should not be outraged?

Because we know, the security measures suck?

According my earlier comment, they died because the lights went out and the guarding officer couldn't find the key in the dark (at least, it says so in the OP).

Do you know, what could have prevented that?

1) a flashlight, available at any 7eleven for 65 Baht and 2 batteries!

2) giving a sh1t!

Not sure he would have found the flashlight in pitch dark

More seriously sometimes in a blaze, with the smokes it could be totally imposible to take a single breathe without fainting... So, we do not know !

I guess...just a guess....that there was not clean air in one second and masses of poisonous smoke the next second.

And if you HAVE a flashlight and you KNOW it is in the top drawer of your office desk, you MIGHT find it...even in the dark!

But sure: we do not know!

For those who would like to see an example of how quickly a fire can develop, take a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GMhfLamERc