'Hitler' Fried Chicken: KFC may sue restaurant in Thailand

[englishoak]

Would any of you object to a Mao Zedong Chinese takeaway in your home town? No, I didn't think so. He killed well over 20 million. Why should Asians care about Hitler ? Get over it, this chicken shop shut down years ago. It is just a Zionist ploy to keep sympathy with Israel.

Wanna bet i wouldnt object ? damn right i would and for the record it would never be approved as a company name in the first place, or last a week if it did.

I also dont think its very likely MOSAD has a media propaganda campaign going on in LOS

Uncle Mao's Chinese Restaurant of Darien, Illinois

Mao's Kitchen Restaurant in Venice, California

King Mao Chinese Restaurant Clarksville, Tennessee

But im not american, and commenting about the UK

[sumtingwong]

Would any of you object to a Mao Zedong Chinese takeaway in your home town? No, I didn't think so. He killed well over 20 million. Why should Asians care about Hitler ? Get over it, this chicken shop shut down years ago. It is just a Zionist ploy to keep sympathy with Israel.

Wanna bet i wouldnt object ? damn right i would and for the record it would never be approved as a company name in the first place, or last a week if it did.

I also dont think its very likely MOSAD has a media propaganda campaign going on in LOS

Uncle Mao's Chinese Restaurant of Darien, Illinois

Mao's Kitchen Restaurant in Venice, California

King Mao Chinese Restaurant Clarksville, Tennessee

But im not american, and commenting about the UK

MAO Buffet Chinese Restaurant Chatham, United Kingdom

Xiong Mao delivers Chinese & Thai food all across London

[englishoak]

Wanna bet i wouldnt object ? damn right i would and for the record it would never be approved as a company name in the first place, or last a week if it did.

I also dont think its very likely MOSAD has a media propaganda campaign going on in LOS

Uncle Mao's Chinese Restaurant of Darien, Illinois

Mao's Kitchen Restaurant in Venice, California

King Mao Chinese Restaurant Clarksville, Tennessee

But im not american, and commenting about the UK

MAO Buffet Chinese Restaurant Chatham, United Kingdom

Xiong Mao delivers Chinese & Thai food all across London

Still not my home town, Doubt they use a picture of the man on the store and dont see Zedong in the name in any example to mean its the same Mao, theres plenty of Adolph's about but not many Hitlers.only one in fact in Germany. I do however having checked notice there are quite a lot of Maos, It actually ranks 87th largest number of people with this surname in China. Thats a good few million i believe. There arnt many Hitters about though for obvious reason, he didnt win whereas Mao did.

A family name can be used in a company name in the UK, I suspect if I go to companies house the name on the register will be Mao. Be very hard though to get away with Mao Zedong or Tse -Tung as is sometimes used ive not heard of any I know of.

shall we move on ?

[Publicus]

It's a national embarrassment, and KFC are giving it free publicity by doing this.

Who said it was a national embarrassment? Anything about this in the domestic press?

That in itself is a national embarrassment too. Word of this gets into the Western press and it will make the country look stupid and backward again. Hence, wait for it.........a national embarrassment.

There's no excuse for this level of stupidity.

Thailand needs no help from ignorant falangs to look backward and stupid.

No one should kid himself here.

Those Thais who use Hitler, whether it's at a school or a restaurant rip off as in this instance, or the many other instances over recent decades, know who Hitler is, what Hitler did.

It's an important and consistent Thai cultural theme and means. It's the best way Thais have to say to those fahlang who are certain they are superior to Thais and superior to Thai culture, civilization, that they just aren't the superior cultural or intellectual supermen fahlang they think or believe they are.

Don't let any Thai kid you about the fact. Thais will and do play dumb, always and every time they do it. Thais who use Hitler almost always apologize (fingers crossed behind their back, to use an English culture expression).

It's a conscious and deliberate attempt to put heady fahlang in their place in Thailand.

That it predictably and reliably makes the news in the English speaking and Western world is a central part of it.

[Publicus]

Thomas J. Watson, chairman of IBM, 1937. Watson was also president of the International Chamber of Commerce in 1937; the medal was awarded while the ICC was meeting in Germany that year.^[4]

• Henry Ford was awarded the Grand Cross of the German Eagle on his 75th birthday, 30 July 1938.^[2][5]
• General Olof Thörnell, Supreme Commander of the Swedish Armed Forces, was awarded the Grand Cross of the German Eagle 7 October 1940.^[2]
• Charles Lindbergh was awarded the Order of the German Eagle with Star 19 October 1938.^[2]
• James Mooney, General Motors' chief executive for overseas operations, was awarded Order of the German Eagle 1st Class.^[2]
• Ing. Ugo Conte (1884–1951), Rome Chief Engineer, was awarded Order of German Eagle 2nd Class on 16 December 1938 for leading team in the construction of first German motorway.
• Swedish explorer Sven Hedin was awarded the Grand Cross of the Order of the German Eagle on his 75th birthday on 19 February 1940.^{[citation needed]}

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_German_Eagle

And that proofs to you that Hitler was a positive role model?

No I didn't write that. I didn't think it. I don't know where you got the idea? If anything Hitler was a dummy for chasing out of Germany the people who could have helped him the most.

And Neville Chamberlain returned from Munich waving a piece of paper declaring "peace in our time." World War II culminated 2500 years of the tribes of Europe slaughtering one another while trying to impose their own narrow and enforced European Union. It took the bloodthirsty Europeans a long time to learn to form a voluntary, rational European Union that remains far from perfect, as evidenced by the elections and voting there last month.

The people of the United States spent the 19th century being the opposite of almost everything Europe had been and was. The United States spent the 20th century defeating European fascism then saving and protecting Europe from the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics - think Nato among other ways and means.

Your welcome.

Meanwhile in a so called educated country a hitler quote is being used to promote `something` .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2647721/Whoops-Church-apologizes-youth-ministries-billboard-uses-Hitler-quote.html

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The United States has sacrificed a great deal in life and treasure defeating fascism to its East across the Atlantic and in Europe and to the West throughout the Pacific and in East Asia. Then there was the Great European War before it (1914-18).

On this day, the 70th anniversary of the D-Day 1944 invasion of Nazi occupied Europe, Pres Obama is in Normandy with Pres Hollande to honor and remember the grand event, which Churchill described as "The most difficult and complicated operation ever." The United States declared war against Germany three days after Germany had declared war against the United States (much to Churchill's cheer).

In an immigrant country of more than 300,000,000 people, there is always a fruitcake or crackpot here or there. Overall, however, the USA does very well managing its society, culture, civilization. The population is diverse, it is from every continent and many islands, is composed of many ethnicities, religions or no religions and much much more.

As of 2011, the United States ranked first of countries in the UN Human Development Index, the USA scoring 93.7. The index measures years of education of the whole of the population, literacy, standards of living, quality of life, life expectancy, health and medical care, level of well being with the focus on child welfare. A score below 80 is considered deficient (Thailand scored 69.0).

As to your Fleet Street newsrag, it needs to know the only consolation people in Alabama have, or have ever had, is to thank god for Mississippi because without Mississippi Alabama would consistently rank 50th in all respects instead of consistently ranking 49th.

Edited June 6, 2014 by Publicus

[Publicus]

Would any of you object to a Mao Zedong Chinese takeaway in your home town? No, I didn't think so. He killed well over 20 million. Why should Asians care about Hitler ? Get over it, this chicken shop shut down years ago. It is just a Zionist ploy to keep sympathy with Israel.

Wanna bet i wouldnt object ? damn right i would and for the record it would never be approved as a company name in the first place, or last a week if it did.

I also dont think its very likely MOSAD has a media propaganda campaign going on in LOS

Uncle Mao's Chinese Restaurant of Darien, Illinois

Mao's Kitchen Restaurant in Venice, California

King Mao Chinese Restaurant Clarksville, Tennessee

[simple1]

Thailand needs no help from ignorant falangs to look backward and stupid.

No one should kid himself here.

Those Thais who use Hitler, whether it's at a school or a restaurant rip off as in this instance, or the many other instances over recent decades, know who Hitler is, what Hitler did.

It's an important and consistent Thai cultural theme and means. It's the best way Thais have to say to those fahlang who are certain they are superior to Thais and superior to Thai culture, civilization, that they just aren't the superior cultural or intellectual supermen fahlang they think or believe they are.

Don't let any Thai kid you about the fact. Thais will and do play dumb, always and every time they do it. Thais who use Hitler almost always apologize (fingers crossed behind their back, to use an English culture expression).

It's a conscious and deliberate attempt to put heady fahlang in their place in Thailand.

That it predictably and reliably makes the news in the English speaking and Western world is a central part of it.

It’s an old topic that has resurrected, however I have to respond.

You talk about House of Nonsense, yet your post above is nonsense. Just how many 'Thai kids' have a clue about Hitler / Nazis and what they represented? Not blaming them, it’s an outcome of their education, but <deleted> many do not even know what countries border Thailand to the W/E/S and N.

Plus all the crap that Thais are consciously using the Hitler image as a platform to attack Westerners for their perceived superior attitudes, again nonsense.

Have to ask, do you actually socialise with day to day Thais. Seems more like a mysterious Thai clique that actively dislikes Westeners?

Edited June 6, 2014 by simple1

[Publicus]

Thailand needs no help from ignorant falangs to look backward and stupid.

No one should kid himself here.

Those Thais who use Hitler, whether it's at a school or a restaurant rip off as in this instance, or the many other instances over recent decades, know who Hitler is, what Hitler did.

It's an important and consistent Thai cultural theme and means. It's the best way Thais have to say to those fahlang who are certain they are superior to Thais and superior to Thai culture, civilization, that they just aren't the superior cultural or intellectual supermen fahlang they think or believe they are.

Don't let any Thai kid you about the fact. Thais will and do play dumb, always and every time they do it. Thais who use Hitler almost always apologize (fingers crossed behind their back, to use an English culture expression).

It's a conscious and deliberate attempt to put heady fahlang in their place in Thailand.

That it predictably and reliably makes the news in the English speaking and Western world is a central part of it.

It’s an old topic that has resurrected, however I have to respond.

You talk about House of Nonsense, yet your post above is nonsense. Just how many 'Thai kids' have a clue about Hitler / Nazis and what they represented? Not blaming them, it’s an outcome of their education, but <deleted> many do not even know what countries border Thailand to the W/E/S and N.

Plus all the crap that Thais are consciously using the Hitler image as a platform to attack Westerners for their perceived superior attitudes, again nonsense.

Have to ask, do you actually socialise with day to day Thais. Seems more like a mysterious Thai clique that actively dislikes Westeners?

As a social scientist who teaches Thais in English, I have chosen to speak my analysis of this long running phenomenon because the many clever fahlang have so little knowledge of it, or, much more importantly, almost no actual or real awareness or understanding of it, much less a comprehension of it.

I teach the Bangkok middle classes and this is what I have found from more than a decade of interaction with senior secondary learners and their parents in and out of the classroom.

They don't care about dictatorship, they care who controls the money and Thai traditional values, customs, mores.

"Speaking on the television programme named Bring Happiness Back to Thais last night, Gen Prayuth mentioned the anti-coup three-fingered gesture of defiance copied from the Hollywood movie The Hunger Games. The coup leader said Thais should not copy foreign cultural influences.

"Gen Prayuth suggested people who love the nation should hold up five fingers instead. Two fingers would be for the nation and the others for the King, religion and people, he said."

The culturally narrow middle class learners I taught for so long and their parochial parents don't know where Germany is, nor do they know or care where Europe is, until I haul into the classroom a map I bought so I could show 'em - and even then they're disoriented so they care even less.

For all they or their parents, relatives, neighbors, friends or most of their teachers know, Germany or Europe could be at the other side of India - where ever India may be - or at the North Pole, where ever the North Pole may be. One grade 12 student I had went to NZ for a year of study thinking he was going to Australia (my only surprise is that he didn't end up in some nowhere town on the Nord Zee).

Thai geographic insularity and ignorance does not nullify their thoughts or attitudes toward the many fahlang they know and interact with daily over many years, to include many or most of you or all of us.

Some nationalist and ethnocentric Thais however learn about Hitler. They learn about Hitler in several ways, to include vengefully from some of their nationalist, ethnocentric, parents relatives or their additionally clannish and cliquish Thai teachers.

So I reiterate, my analysis as an educator of social science is valid and based on personal knowledge predicated in a daily interaction with Thais over a long period of time. My factual insight is that the Thais who are the initiators of the persistent and recurring Hitler activities, from school events to restaurant ripoffs or whatever, are xenophobics who are resentful of fahlang and who know acutely what they are doing. Vengefully so.

They know that in general we fahlang view our societies and civilization as snobbishly superior to theirs in almost every way, from issues of civilian control of the military to the rule of law, to our respect of science, our concept and practice of professionalism to include the police and the government, our concept and practice of a civil public service bureaucracy, our limited corruption, and so much more that we see and read in the threads every day year after year.

The fundamentally seclusive and exclusory Bangkok middle class Thais and Thai elites in general do view the long term fahlang presence and influence as a slow but sure ethnocide against traditional Thai culture, society, civilization. Their view and feeling is very real to them and it frustrates them greatly. They are eager to stop this and in fact to strike out against it.

And if it takes dictatorship to accomplish this, then well and good.

You're missing a lot here but the fact does not surprise me.

Edited June 7, 2014 by Publicus

[ATF]

Publicus most Americans couldn't show you France on a map. Americans are taught that they took over the World after the American Revolution. The American culture is based on the bread and circus principles of the Romans but the worst thing is that Americans believe they live in a democracy.

You are correct that educated Thais don't want American Cultural Imperialism imposed on them, and who could blame them for that. Thai means someone who has adopted the language and culture of Thailand. It doesn't mean you have to be a Thai Citizen. I respect Thais for standing up to all the politically hypocritical attitudes of the West. They don't want, blacks, people from the Indian Sub-Continent and big lumbering sweaty sociology lecturers that spout Western propaganda.

[Publicus]

Publicus most Americans couldn't show you France on a map. Americans are taught that they took over the World after the American Revolution. The American culture is based on the bread and circus principles of the Romans but the worst thing is that Americans believe they live in a democracy.

You are correct that educated Thais don't want American Cultural Imperialism imposed on them, and who could blame them for that. Thai means someone who has adopted the language and culture of Thailand. It doesn't mean you have to be a Thai Citizen. I respect Thais for standing up to all the politically hypocritical attitudes of the West. They don't want, blacks, people from the Indian Sub-Continent and big lumbering sweaty sociology lecturers that spout Western propaganda.

History, not sociology and there's nothing wrong with either. Kindly read past your prejudices to see the facts and the reality, accurately.

The fact is it's better to be a teacher of History or Sociology and to post at TVF than to only post at TVF.

As to your specific and pathetically predictable point about Americans, you've missed that it's said god invented modern war and modern warfare so Americans would have to learn some geography. Indeed, ask at Sandhurst about General Lord Cornwallis who had to surrender the whole of the British army in the United States to Gen Washington.

Your second graf supports what I stated in my post, whether or not you know or recognize the fact.

And I speak from more than a decade of daily interaction and everyday experience with Thais and their parents in school and out of school, daily and every day detailed interaction and specific experience with Thais and the Thai people, and after having arrived in Thailand in 1998, living since with Thais on a daily basis, day in and day out, each and every day I've spent in Thailand with and among Thais.

Get the facts and realities of my day to day experience with Thais in Thailand over many years past your own self-created mental block.

There's a real problem here of mentality and attitude but it's not mine.

Edited June 7, 2014 by Publicus

[thailiketoo]

Publicus most Americans couldn't show you France on a map. Americans are taught that they took over the World after the American Revolution. The American culture is based on the bread and circus principles of the Romans but the worst thing is that Americans believe they live in a democracy.

You are correct that educated Thais don't want American Cultural Imperialism imposed on them, and who could blame them for that. Thai means someone who has adopted the language and culture of Thailand. It doesn't mean you have to be a Thai Citizen. I respect Thais for standing up to all the politically hypocritical attitudes of the West. They don't want, blacks, people from the IndianATF

ATF I'm from America and I know where France is. I'm sure I could find another 66 million Americans that know where France is. There are 109 million valid passports in the USA. That's almost twice as many as the UK. So don't give me the same old tired lines about Americans.

[ATF]

English Oak what I like about Thailand is it cuts through the crap. Sure there are abuses of power but that occurs everywhere. Thais have an invisible line and once that is crossed, that's it. The West is in decay, swamped by it's own style of bureaucracy. People on camera 24/7 being charged with minor offenses that would go un-noticed here. You cross the line in Thailand and you are in serious trouble. Look how long the Judicial System takes in the West. I could elaborate further but what's the point? It's what I prefer.

[englishoak]

English Oak what I like about Thailand is it cuts through the crap. Sure there are abuses of power but that occurs everywhere. Thais have an invisible line and once that is crossed, that's it. The West is in decay, swamped by it's own style of bureaucracy. People on camera 24/7 being charged with minor offenses that would go un-noticed here. You cross the line in Thailand and you are in serious trouble. Look how long the Judicial System takes in the West. I could elaborate further but what's the point? It's what I prefer.

I would say the west is in transition rather than decay, we are trying to wrestle with the imbalance of technology and invention that is far out stripping social enlightenment and progression and its definitely being abused in some respects, for now.

All rights and freedom ideals to the betterment of humanity have so far to date come from the west. ( if you ignore religion and its basic good values, that has also been twisted to a control system ) I am sure the paradigm shift that is required will eventually happen and it will in all likelihood also come from the west.

[Thorgal]

i want to try the tank burger

Or nazi goreng...

[sumtingwong]

English Oak what I like about Thailand is it cuts through the crap. Sure there are abuses of power but that occurs everywhere. Thais have an invisible line and once that is crossed, that's it. The West is in decay, swamped by it's own style of bureaucracy. People on camera 24/7 being charged with minor offenses that would go un-noticed here. You cross the line in Thailand and you are in serious trouble. Look how long the Judicial System takes in the West. I could elaborate further but what's the point? It's what I prefer.

I would say the west is in transition rather than decay, we are trying to wrestle with the imbalance of technology and invention that is far out stripping social enlightenment and progression and its definitely being abused in some respects, for now.

All rights and freedom ideals to the betterment of humanity have so far to date come from the west. ( if you ignore religion and its basic good values, that has also been twisted to a control system ) I am sure the paradigm shift that is required will eventually happen and it will in all likelihood also come from the west.

More importaantly, humanity better get their collective heads out of their collective &lt;deleted&gt; and colonize other planets before the next extinction event.

"All civilizations become either spacefaring or extinct." -- Carl Sagan

[wolf5370]

It's a national embarrassment, and KFC are giving it free publicity by doing this.

I remember when McDonald's tried to sue a village store in Scotland for using the name and the Golden Arches. Maybe the logo use was wrong but the McDonalds had been in the area for centuries long before that clown Columbus and his pal Amerigo discovered America and look at the problems that caused.

These companies are entitled to protect their trademarks, as much as anything to protect their customers from being ripped off by imposters. I was walking through Shanghai a while ago and noticed an entire fake Apple store, not just a fake phone, but the whole store was fake.

Unbelievable.......then again counterfeiting is a national sport in China.

Of course Apple also got sued (twice) by the pre-existing Apple Records (owned by the Beatle's) - once for using their copyright, and then for breaking the agreement in that case by entering the music business!

[Morch]

Thailand needs no help from ignorant falangs to look backward and stupid.

No one should kid himself here.

Those Thais who use Hitler, whether it's at a school or a restaurant rip off as in this instance, or the many other instances over recent decades, know who Hitler is, what Hitler did.

It's an important and consistent Thai cultural theme and means. It's the best way Thais have to say to those fahlang who are certain they are superior to Thais and superior to Thai culture, civilization, that they just aren't the superior cultural or intellectual supermen fahlang they think or believe they are.

Don't let any Thai kid you about the fact. Thais will and do play dumb, always and every time they do it. Thais who use Hitler almost always apologize (fingers crossed behind their back, to use an English culture expression).

It's a conscious and deliberate attempt to put heady fahlang in their place in Thailand.

That it predictably and reliably makes the news in the English speaking and Western world is a central part of it.

It’s an old topic that has resurrected, however I have to respond.

You talk about House of Nonsense, yet your post above is nonsense. Just how many 'Thai kids' have a clue about Hitler / Nazis and what they represented? Not blaming them, it’s an outcome of their education, but <deleted> many do not even know what countries border Thailand to the W/E/S and N.

Plus all the crap that Thais are consciously using the Hitler image as a platform to attack Westerners for their perceived superior attitudes, again nonsense.

Have to ask, do you actually socialise with day to day Thais. Seems more like a mysterious Thai clique that actively dislikes Westeners?

As a social scientist who teaches Thais in English, I have chosen to speak my analysis of this long running phenomenon because the many clever fahlang have so little knowledge of it, or, much more importantly, almost no actual or real awareness or understanding of it, much less a comprehension of it.

I teach the Bangkok middle classes and this is what I have found from more than a decade of interaction with senior secondary learners and their parents in and out of the classroom.

They don't care about dictatorship, they care who controls the money and Thai traditional values, customs, mores.

"Speaking on the television programme named Bring Happiness Back to Thais last night, Gen Prayuth mentioned the anti-coup three-fingered gesture of defiance copied from the Hollywood movie The Hunger Games. The coup leader said Thais should not copy foreign cultural influences.

"Gen Prayuth suggested people who love the nation should hold up five fingers instead. Two fingers would be for the nation and the others for the King, religion and people, he said."

The culturally narrow middle class learners I taught for so long and their parochial parents don't know where Germany is, nor do they know or care where Europe is, until I haul into the classroom a map I bought so I could show 'em - and even then they're disoriented so they care even less.

For all they or their parents, relatives, neighbors, friends or most of their teachers know, Germany or Europe could be at the other side of India - where ever India may be - or at the North Pole, where ever the North Pole may be. One grade 12 student I had went to NZ for a year of study thinking he was going to Australia (my only surprise is that he didn't end up in some nowhere town on the Nord Zee).

Thai geographic insularity and ignorance does not nullify their thoughts or attitudes toward the many fahlang they know and interact with daily over many years, to include many or most of you or all of us.

Some nationalist and ethnocentric Thais however learn about Hitler. They learn about Hitler in several ways, to include vengefully from some of their nationalist, ethnocentric, parents relatives or their additionally clannish and cliquish Thai teachers.

So I reiterate, my analysis as an educator of social science is valid and based on personal knowledge predicated in a daily interaction with Thais over a long period of time. My factual insight is that the Thais who are the initiators of the persistent and recurring Hitler activities, from school events to restaurant ripoffs or whatever, are xenophobics who are resentful of fahlang and who know acutely what they are doing. Vengefully so.

They know that in general we fahlang view our societies and civilization as snobbishly superior to theirs in almost every way, from issues of civilian control of the military to the rule of law, to our respect of science, our concept and practice of professionalism to include the police and the government, our concept and practice of a civil public service bureaucracy, our limited corruption, and so much more that we see and read in the threads every day year after year.

The fundamentally seclusive and exclusory Bangkok middle class Thais and Thai elites in general do view the long term fahlang presence and influence as a slow but sure ethnocide against traditional Thai culture, society, civilization. Their view and feeling is very real to them and it frustrates them greatly. They are eager to stop this and in fact to strike out against it.

And if it takes dictatorship to accomplish this, then well and good.

You're missing a lot here but the fact does not surprise me.

Have to say I found the first post a little perplexing, maybe read it as too all encompassing.

Agree that there are instances are every bit as you describe, with an in-your-face element and some xenophobic

trends to go. These would probably be the ones getting more media attention and showcasing on TVF - be it dead

poultry joints, overpriced private high-school events or over-rated university ceremonies. Pretty sure these people

know what they're about, or highly unlikely that they are all that uninformed. They may not be very familiar with the

details, or not even with the meaning - but they do know it's controversial and that it's bound to get a reaction.

Couldn't say if this always a specifically xenophobic thing, or a misguided "rebel" (of the "I-did-something-naughty

-I'm-so-cool" verity). Perhaps a mix of both. While Thais are bombarded with Western culture, a lot of it is superficial,

and often (at least in my experience) tends to be replayed as a set of slogans, with some of the underlying concepts

totally lost, or given a new (twisted?) meaning making them a better fit. Sometimes this can be seen as lack of some

sensitivities and sensibilities. Not saying it is always unintentional, but I feel that sometimes it is. Other times it could

be as you describe, or possibly construed as an intentional trolling attempt without fully comprehending the magnitude

of what they're up to.

Might be a wrong assumption on my part, but somehow get the feeling that when you are referring to Bangkok middle

class, this is more along the lines of upper middle class? (not sure if that would be the right terminology, basically mean

more well to do and somewhat better educated).

There is a marked difference between these cases and the really ignorant crowd (mostly young, but not always), one

sees running around with Nazi accessories, T-shirts, and whatnot. While they do annoy me, it's not quite the same.

Different level of expectations and all that. May have been fortunate, but most of what I ran into was of this sort.

Once asked how FIL would react to someone wearing one of them Mao T-shirts at his place. Got worried looks and had

to assure all present there's no intention of doing so . Never happened, but the general feeling was that it's better to

not even think about it. Wonder if Mao gets a similar reaction as Hitler from Thai Chinese in general, and if this is limited

to older generations. Sure it wouldn't feature in the same way on Western media or TVF, though.

On a side note - found Maus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maus) to be quite handy in conveying some idea about what

the fuss was about. Being a "cartoon" surely helped.

[Mackie]

And I speak from more than a decade of daily interaction and everyday experience with Thais and their parents in school and out of school, daily and every day detailed interaction and specific experience with Thais and the Thai people, and after having arrived in Thailand in 1998, living since with Thais on a daily basis, day in and day out, each and every day I've spent in Thailand with and among Thais.

Get the facts and realities of my day to day experience with Thais in Thailand over many years past your own self-created mental block.

There's a real problem here of mentality and attitude but it's not mine.

This one really takes the biscuit. It is actually your indirect admission that you have utterly failed to adapt to your new surroundings. You have a real problem here. Both we mentality and attitude. You're a guest in Thailand. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. It is obvious that no one taught you manners.

[Publicus]

And I speak from more than a decade of daily interaction and everyday experience with Thais and their parents in school and out of school, daily and every day detailed interaction and specific experience with Thais and the Thai people, and after having arrived in Thailand in 1998, living since with Thais on a daily basis, day in and day out, each and every day I've spent in Thailand with and among Thais.

Get the facts and realities of my day to day experience with Thais in Thailand over many years past your own self-created mental block.

There's a real problem here of mentality and attitude but it's not mine.

This one really takes the biscuit. It is actually your indirect admission that you have utterly failed to adapt to your new surroundings. You have a real problem here. Both we mentality and attitude. You're a guest in Thailand. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. It is obvious that no one taught you manners.

I've done pretty well and successfully without you over a long haul around here and despite the constant presence of your mentality, thx.

No signs of anything changing in these respects.

I however continue to be aghast at the nature and character of so many people this country attracts from among the populations of the native English language countries, and concerning some others as well who have learned English fluently or pretty well.

The people from native English language countries who find things here completely agreeable and entirely compatible, comforting, to the point of actively advocating military rule, continue to amaze me, and to shock many sensible others too.

[dude123]

It's a national embarrassment, and KFC are giving it free publicity by doing this.

Who said it was a national embarrassment? Anything about this in the domestic press?

That in itself is a national embarrassment too. Word of this gets into the Western press and it will make the country look stupid and backward again. Hence, wait for it.........a national embarrassment.

There's no excuse for this level of stupidity.

Could be just another one of many blows to Thailand if this makes international press.

[englishoak]

And I speak from more than a decade of daily interaction and everyday experience with Thais and their parents in school and out of school, daily and every day detailed interaction and specific experience with Thais and the Thai people, and after having arrived in Thailand in 1998, living since with Thais on a daily basis, day in and day out, each and every day I've spent in Thailand with and among Thais.

Get the facts and realities of my day to day experience with Thais in Thailand over many years past your own self-created mental block.

There's a real problem here of mentality and attitude but it's not mine.

This one really takes the biscuit. It is actually your indirect admission that you have utterly failed to adapt to your new surroundings. You have a real problem here. Both we mentality and attitude. You're a guest in Thailand. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. It is obvious that no one taught you manners.

when in rome saying means merely to adopt the customs as its advantageous, as maybe but i dont see a lot of the customs as anything other than out of date and irrelevant, unless you include the corruption and double talk.. Also not much point in going to a Thai temple if you not Buddhist.Other customs are also irrelevant, out of date or just flat out bad. why would you adopt those if you knew better ? Some things like finger pointing or touching the head are easy to adopt and manners, abasing oneself as an example would not.

Adapting is one thing, doing as the natives do especially where morals or human rights are concerned is quite another. Ideally one would and should adapt but also reject lesser morals or worse treatment towards others. With ones thinking and knowledge its better to just use it, you dont throw it away in the garbage and use Thai logic if and when you know better. Eg you dont forget how to wire a house and the sensible need for earthing for instance or driving properly or wearing a safety helmet on a bike or riding 4 up. There is no sense in adopting "when in rome" attitude there, its liable to get you and or others killed.

You should adapt of course and where can use your education, critical thinking or common sense and work things out, Or where you know better, reject the when in rome idea. I suspect pub has adapted more than well enough but draws the line at adopting fascist ideals and other backward ideas or half baked solutions to problems we see all over the place every day.

Edited June 7, 2014 by englishoak

[Publicus]

Word of this gets into the Western press and it will make the country look stupid and backward again. Hence, wait for it.........a national embarrassment.

There's no excuse for this level of stupidity.

Could be just another one of many blows to Thailand if this makes international press.

This News Item is a year old!

Your point is well taken but the story is pretty much an ongoing one because it is a regularly recurring event that some Thais who are knowledgeable of Hitler and Nazi Germany like and in fact love to occasionally tweak the "superior" thinking fahlang about, both here and abroad.

[simple1]

Thailand needs no help from ignorant falangs to look backward and stupid.

No one should kid himself here.

Those Thais who use Hitler, whether it's at a school or a restaurant rip off as in this instance, or the many other instances over recent decades, know who Hitler is, what Hitler did.

It's an important and consistent Thai cultural theme and means. It's the best way Thais have to say to those fahlang who are certain they are superior to Thais and superior to Thai culture, civilization, that they just aren't the superior cultural or intellectual supermen fahlang they think or believe they are.

Don't let any Thai kid you about the fact. Thais will and do play dumb, always and every time they do it. Thais who use Hitler almost always apologize (fingers crossed behind their back, to use an English culture expression).

It's a conscious and deliberate attempt to put heady fahlang in their place in Thailand.

That it predictably and reliably makes the news in the English speaking and Western world is a central part of it.

It’s an old topic that has resurrected, however I have to respond.

You talk about House of Nonsense, yet your post above is nonsense. Just how many 'Thai kids' have a clue about Hitler / Nazis and what they represented? Not blaming them, it’s an outcome of their education, but <deleted> many do not even know what countries border Thailand to the W/E/S and N.

Plus all the crap that Thais are consciously using the Hitler image as a platform to attack Westerners for their perceived superior attitudes, again nonsense.

Have to ask, do you actually socialise with day to day Thais. Seems more like a mysterious Thai clique that actively dislikes Westeners?

As a social scientist who teaches Thais in English, I have chosen to speak my analysis of this long running phenomenon because the many clever fahlang have so little knowledge of it, or, much more importantly, almost no actual or real awareness or understanding of it, much less a comprehension of it.

I teach the Bangkok middle classes and this is what I have found from more than a decade of interaction with senior secondary learners and their parents in and out of the classroom.

They don't care about dictatorship, they care who controls the money and Thai traditional values, customs, mores.

"Speaking on the television programme named Bring Happiness Back to Thais last night, Gen Prayuth mentioned the anti-coup three-fingered gesture of defiance copied from the Hollywood movie The Hunger Games. The coup leader said Thais should not copy foreign cultural influences.

"Gen Prayuth suggested people who love the nation should hold up five fingers instead. Two fingers would be for the nation and the others for the King, religion and people, he said."

The culturally narrow middle class learners I taught for so long and their parochial parents don't know where Germany is, nor do they know or care where Europe is, until I haul into the classroom a map I bought so I could show 'em - and even then they're disoriented so they care even less.

For all they or their parents, relatives, neighbors, friends or most of their teachers know, Germany or Europe could be at the other side of India - where ever India may be - or at the North Pole, where ever the North Pole may be. One grade 12 student I had went to NZ for a year of study thinking he was going to Australia (my only surprise is that he didn't end up in some nowhere town on the Nord Zee).

Thai geographic insularity and ignorance does not nullify their thoughts or attitudes toward the many fahlang they know and interact with daily over many years, to include many or most of you or all of us.

Some nationalist and ethnocentric Thais however learn about Hitler. They learn about Hitler in several ways, to include vengefully from some of their nationalist, ethnocentric, parents relatives or their additionally clannish and cliquish Thai teachers.

So I reiterate, my analysis as an educator of social science is valid and based on personal knowledge predicated in a daily interaction with Thais over a long period of time. My factual insight is that the Thais who are the initiators of the persistent and recurring Hitler activities, from school events to restaurant ripoffs or whatever, are xenophobics who are resentful of fahlang and who know acutely what they are doing. Vengefully so.

They know that in general we fahlang view our societies and civilization as snobbishly superior to theirs in almost every way, from issues of civilian control of the military to the rule of law, to our respect of science, our concept and practice of professionalism to include the police and the government, our concept and practice of a civil public service bureaucracy, our limited corruption, and so much more that we see and read in the threads every day year after year.

The fundamentally seclusive and exclusory Bangkok middle class Thais and Thai elites in general do view the long term fahlang presence and influence as a slow but sure ethnocide against traditional Thai culture, society, civilization. Their view and feeling is very real to them and it frustrates them greatly. They are eager to stop this and in fact to strike out against it.

And if it takes dictatorship to accomplish this, then well and good.

You're missing a lot here but the fact does not surprise me.

So you are talking to your experience / interaction with a small strata of Thai society, whereas your post was a sweeping generalisation condeming 'Thai kids' and Thai attitudes in general to the topic

Edited June 7, 2014 by simple1

[NeverSure]

Publicus whose language do you speak? Case closed.

Methinks mayhaps for sooth wherefore I speak the language of world trade, of the Internet, and of the place where more than one half of the world's native English speakers reside.

It's the English of the country which has almost four times as many native English Speakers as the UK.

Shakespeare died already in case you hadn't heard.

[Publicus]

English Oak what I like about Thailand is it cuts through the crap. Sure there are abuses of power but that occurs everywhere. Thais have an invisible line and once that is crossed, that's it. The West is in decay, swamped by it's own style of bureaucracy. People on camera 24/7 being charged with minor offenses that would go un-noticed here. You cross the line in Thailand and you are in serious trouble. Look how long the Judicial System takes in the West. I could elaborate further but what's the point? It's what I prefer.

Feudalism is a pretty strict hierarchical system when you come right down to it.

It easily and happily transitions into modern fascism.

[Siripon]

Most Thais haven't a clue about Hitler or any historical events outside Thailand, though I do remember learning a fair amount about prominent scientists and their discoveries at school. The whole systematic mass murder of an entire race undertaken by Hitler is something almost incomprehensible to the average Thai although we had the Khmer Rouge attempting the same thing just next door only 40 years ago.

But I cheer on this restaurant, though not for a reason the owner would like, KFC buy battery farmed chickens, these poor animals know nothing but hell their entire lives, the whole business is based on mass suffering. Chickens are meant to walk around pecking in the dirt, not spend their entire lives crammed in an uncomfortable cage, separated from their young.

It's a barbaric business so KFC can be seen as one of the Hitlers of the junk food world, a participant in the mass murders of innocent lives.

[craigt3365]

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The post should have used the quote function to reference the original poster.

Also, many off topic and bickering posts have been removed from view. Please stay on topic. This isn't about Shakespeare. Though he is a very interesting topic!

[Publicus]

Most Thais haven't a clue about Hitler or any historical events outside Thailand, though I do remember learning a fair amount about prominent scientists and their discoveries at school. The whole systematic mass murder of an entire race undertaken by Hitler is something almost incomprehensible to the average Thai although we had the Khmer Rouge attempting the same thing just next door only 40 years ago.

But I cheer on this restaurant, though not for a reason the owner would like, KFC buy battery farmed chickens, these poor animals know nothing but hell their entire lives, the whole business is based on mass suffering. Chickens are meant to walk around pecking in the dirt, not spend their entire lives crammed in an uncomfortable cage, separated from their young.

It's a barbaric business so KFC can be seen as one of the Hitlers of the junk food world, a participant in the mass murders of innocent lives.

Frank Perdue took much better care of his chickens, as Perdue Farms continue to do in carrying on..

I disagree with the coup and don't care much about chickens as long as the balance of nature doesn't get upset too much.

Conversely, you the coup and chickens seem to be an altogether different story.

Perdue chickens are a hellovalot better than CP, whatever CP Group does with their chickens and pigs - Chickens and Pigs aka the Chicken People bless 'em.

[sumtingwong]

The Thaksin dictatorship and the Hitler dictatorship, same, same.

[Publicus]

The Thaksin dictatorship and the Hitler dictatorship, same, same.

I finally did it !!!

Manage preferences.

No more reading this particular inane and vacuous nonsense!