Pattaya police arrest Swiss man over allegations of unlawful contact with minors

[leedstony]

I can't get my head around people that think young kids are attractive for those purposes. Makes me sick!

Totally agree

[Docno]

and one more thing...local men are far and away abuse children more than such pigs from other countries. It’s just not a good headline, if they get arrested at all.

So what's your source for this then (since you make it clear that the media is not interested in publicising similar crimes by Thai males)? Do you have your own direct access to police records, or are you simply a member of the "Thais are worse than us" Club?

In fact, if you want to think about it, it wouldn't be surprising if this kind of thing was proportionally more frequent in the farang community. This is because pedophiles from western countries may be drawn to places like Thailand and Cambodia because a) the enforcement/legal system may be less effective and more corrupt, 2) monitoring systems for convicted sex criminals are non-existent, and 3) it's easier to exploit people who are more poor and desperate. Ask yourself why Gary Glitter came to SE Asia rather than France or Sweden, etc.

[Benmart]

After reading several posts advocating castration, amputation, life sentencing, etc., I wonder if these posters were privy to evidence that others aren't. It seems that we are in the company of professional jurists, law experts and criminologists that have a crystal ball and can pass sentences even before the acussed is formally arraigned.

Seems leaning towards "You are innocent until proven guilty...unless I don't like your looks, nationality or what you've been accused of".

Just my 2-Bahts worth.

[KittenKong]

As usual with these sorts of incidents, the newspaper article says nothing at all about anyone being involved against their will, or being in any way coerced, but the "hang-em-high" posters just seem to assume that is the case.

if you are referring to the 13 year old found at the house I believe in the eyes of the law they are not old enough to differentiate whether they are there “ against their will “ or have been “ in any way coerced “? So what is your point?

What the law thinks of it makes no difference as far as I'm concerned. Nor, apparently, does it affect the hang-em-high brigade (no civilised country I know of imposes a penalty of death or other physical retribution in this sort of situation).

My point was that if one is making moral judgements then one should be more interested in the opinion of the people involved in the situation rather than what the law makes of it. The law, after all, is an ass as indeed are most of the people who make the laws in the first place.

[Asiantravel]

As usual with these sorts of incidents, the newspaper article says nothing at all about anyone being involved against their will, or being in any way coerced, but the "hang-em-high" posters just seem to assume that is the case.

if you are referring to the 13 year old found at the house I believe in the eyes of the law they are not old enough to differentiate whether they are there “ against their will “ or have been “ in any way coerced “? So what is your point?

What the law thinks of it makes no difference as far as I'm concerned. Nor, apparently, does it affect the hang-em-high brigade (no civilised country I know of imposes a penalty of death or other physical retribution in this sort of situation).

My point was that if one is making moral judgements then one should be more interested in the opinion of the people involved in the situation rather than what the law makes of it. The law, after all, is an ass as indeed are most of the people who make the laws in the first place.

The death penalty may be ludicrous. But what is equally ludicrous is that this guy (and people like him) after already being found to be a paedophile in another country is free to travel the world to do even more damage.

And together with the computer images and calendars the police found, it doesn't take a lot of imagination to work out the reason why a 13-year-old boy is likely to have there? What ever your personal view is of the law, you are making a very bold assertion (and in my view totally incorrect) as to the capabilities of a minor to offer any perspective. He is a child.

[fakename]

And where do these paedophile's find these kids? I doubt that its on beach road, but an older "Thai handler", sister, brother, or even parent. Maybe the police should be concentrating a little bit more on these people. This part of the equation dosent get too much press, but its about the only way someone is going to find a 10 year old.

[Somrak]

The ancient world was a different places, with different morals,

You do not have to go so fare away and back in time.

Look only here in this country.

Every day "children" still get married. ........

[newermonkey]

I can't get my head around people that think young kids are attractive for those purposes. Makes me sick!

Yes your 50 yo wife is far more attractive. right?

[KittenKong]

What ever your personal view is of the law, you are making a very bold assertion (and in my view totally incorrect) as to the capabilities of a minor to offer any perspective. He is a child.

My nephew is 13. He has a brain and is perfectly capable of saying for himself whether he wants to do something or not. On the other hand some people go through their entire lives without ever being able to make any sort of sensible decision on their own. Many of them post on here. Do we take it on ourselves to tell them what to do? I certainly don't.

I lost my virginity at the age of 14 during a very enjoyable relationship that lasted about 6 months. I knew exactly what I was doing and didn't regret it for one second either at the time or any time since. And it horrifies me that if the same thing happened today then the other person involved might well end up in prison for it, or be vilified by morons as being some sort of pervert.

So my take on this is that people should mind their own business.

[simple1]

What ever your personal view is of the law, you are making a very bold assertion (and in my view totally incorrect) as to the capabilities of a minor to offer any perspective. He is a child.

My nephew is 13. He has a brain and is perfectly capable of saying for himself whether he wants to do something or not. On the other hand some people go through their entire lives without ever being able to make any sort of sensible decision on their own. Many of them post on here. Do we take it on ourselves to tell them what to do? I certainly don't.

I lost my virginity at the age of 14 during a very enjoyable relationship that lasted about 6 months. I knew exactly what I was doing and didn't regret it for one second either at the time or any time since. And it horrifies me that if the same thing happened today then the other person involved might well end up in prison for it, or be vilified by morons as being some sort of pervert.

So my take on this is that people should mind their own business.

if your 13 year old child was having paid sex (don't tell me that's not the case) with an adult, who was also accessing child pornography that is usually produced by organised crime or abusive parents that's perfectly OK with you?

Edited July 29, 2013 by simple1

[Asiantravel]

What ever your personal view is of the law, you are making a very bold assertion (and in my view totally incorrect) as to the capabilities of a minor to offer any perspective. He is a child.

My nephew is 13. He has a brain and is perfectly capable of saying for himself whether he wants to do something or not. On the other hand some people go through their entire lives without ever being able to make any sort of sensible decision on their own. Many of them post on here. Do we take it on ourselves to tell them what to do? I certainly don't.

I lost my virginity at the age of 14 during a very enjoyable relationship that lasted about 6 months. I knew exactly what I was doing and didn't regret it for one second either at the time or any time since. And it horrifies me that if the same thing happened today then the other person involved might well end up in prison for it, or be vilified by morons as being some sort of pervert.

So my take on this is that people should mind their own business.

if your 13 year old child was having paid sex (don't tell me that's not the case) with a 67 year old person, who was also accessing child pornography that is usually produced by organised crime or abusive parents that's perfectly OK with you?

We are talking here about the incidence regarding a Thai boy. The laws were put in place by Thai law makers to protect Thai citizens. Unless you are a Thai citizen, you are in no place to criticize THEIR laws or to make any judgements as to whether those laws are appropriate or not . End of story

Edited July 29, 2013 by Asiantravel

[simple1]

What ever your personal view is of the law, you are making a very bold assertion (and in my view totally incorrect) as to the capabilities of a minor to offer any perspective. He is a child.

My nephew is 13. He has a brain and is perfectly capable of saying for himself whether he wants to do something or not. On the other hand some people go through their entire lives without ever being able to make any sort of sensible decision on their own. Many of them post on here. Do we take it on ourselves to tell them what to do? I certainly don't.

I lost my virginity at the age of 14 during a very enjoyable relationship that lasted about 6 months. I knew exactly what I was doing and didn't regret it for one second either at the time or any time since. And it horrifies me that if the same thing happened today then the other person involved might well end up in prison for it, or be vilified by morons as being some sort of pervert.

So my take on this is that people should mind their own business.

if your 13 year old child was having paid sex (don't tell me that's not the case) with a 67 year old person, who was also accessing child pornography that is usually produced by organised crime or abusive parents that's perfectly OK with you?

We are talking here about the incidence regarding a Thai boy. The laws were put in place by Thai law makers to protect Thai citizens. Unless you are a Thai citizen, you are in no place to criticize THEIR laws or to make any judgements as to whether those laws are appropriate or not . End of story

The age on consent in Thailand is 15, if prostiution 18, so what on earth are you talking about?

[KittenKong]

We are talking here about the incidence regarding a Thai boy. The laws were put in place by Thai law makers to protect Thai citizens. Unless you are a Thai citizen, you are in no place to criticize THEIR laws or to make any judgements as to whether those laws are appropriate or not . End of story

Actually I'm perfectly entitled to criticise whatever I want, as indeed is anyone else.

But it seems to have completely escaped your notice that my original post was not criticising Thai law but was criticising the hang-em-high brigade here who were advocating death and mutilation. I still do criticise them for this.

[Asiantravel]

We are talking here about the incidence regarding a Thai boy. The laws were put in place by Thai law makers to protect Thai citizens. Unless you are a Thai citizen, you are in no place to criticize THEIR laws or to make any judgements as to whether those laws are appropriate or not . End of story

Actually I'm perfectly entitled to criticise whatever I want, as indeed is anyone else.

But it seems to have completely escaped your notice that my original post was not criticising Thai law but was criticising the hang-em-high brigade here who were advocating death and mutilation. I still do criticise them for this.

In Scandinavia they use chemical castration on paedophiles using the drug leuprorelin as a suppressant which inhibits the production of testosterone normally linked to the high sex drives. This is as an alternative to lengthy jail sentences and this can cut the rates of reoffending from 40 per cent to 5 per cent.

So would you agree with this as a potential form of punishment?

And what do you consider is more morally important ? A child's right to protection or the freedom of a paedophile ?

Edited July 29, 2013 by Asiantravel

[KittenKong]

if your 13 year old child was having paid sex (don't tell me that's not the case) with an adult, who was also accessing child pornography that is usually produced by organised crime or abusive parents that's perfectly OK with you?

If I was so poor that I could not provide well enough for my children so as to keep them from prostitution then I wouldnt have the children in the first place.

That said, if my children of that age found that they could get something they wanted from this and wanted to do it, then I would let them get on with it. The same would apply to doing any sort of job. I had several jobs at that age, all of which would be illegal in the UK today, and none of them paid anywhere near as well as prostitution does. Either way I resent the fact that if I was that age now and wanted to do those jobs today I would not be allowed to, by law. I would just have to stay poor.

And if my children (and I) were so poor that they had no other option, then I would surely let them get on with it out of dire need. And in that case if I wasnt old and ugly (and hence of no value in the commercial sex market) I would probably be doing it myself too. Luckily I am quite well off now and so the question doesnt arise, but I can still put myself into other peoples' shoes.

Like I said, people should be left to make up their own minds about what they want to do. It's their life and their business. The only provision for intervention the state should be making is if someone is being coerced, and apart from that they should just be trying to ensure that people can earn a decent living in other ways. 300B for a days work on a building site is not a decent wage and it's little wonder to me that people prefer to earn the same amount (or many times more) in half an hour in bed.

In this particular case we dont know at all what the boy was doing there. For all we know he was being looked after much better there than he was at home. So like I said, the opinions of all concerned should be obtained before conclusions are drawn and the noose tightened. But I dont suppose for one minute that will stop the hang-em-high brigade.

[alanferdi]

Good job ..... hope those pedophiles will be eradicated forever , there are the shame of the society , in particular Pattaya which is still heaven for those.

Bangkok is far worse,but totaly irrelevant,world wide nonce,s need eradication,and the prisons should not seperate them from the mail inmates,that would stop em.

A lot worse here in Cambodia. Castration with a very blunt instrument, me thinks.

Most of these caught are like drug carriers, they use and photograph and make money in their circles, sometimes arranging parties and encouraging trips and overnight stays.The hotels turn a blind eye and small pubs in residential areas are never checked out.

[Buckeye21]

I hope word gets out to the other prisoners and they don't segregate him from the general population.

[OKF]

@KittenKong: I could not have said it any better....however most posters here not seem to want to understand what you are trying to say...

I am not christian but the bible says that those of you that a free of any fault throw the first stone...