Thai word for refurbished

[edwardandtubs]

I've seen some cheap TVs in Tesco and want to ask the guy who pounces on me whether or not they are refurbished. Anyone know what the word is?

[crazygreg44]

check google translate. It gives you three different options, tough. You can write the words down, it's good to start with. I cannot give you a link to google.translate here, sorry.

[edwardandtubs]

I know about google translate. Thanks anyway.

[AyG]

ทำให้ใหม่ (tham hây mày)

[cardholder]

Given the Thai propensity for always wanting to buy new, 'refurbished' probably is not in the language.

[KhunBENQ]

You can additionally ask whether it is "brand-new"/"factory new".

Couple of different words possible.

One which is easy to remember:

ซิงซิง sing-sing

or

ใหม่เอี่ยม mai iam

(RTGS transcript, look up for other transcript if necessary)

[edwardandtubs]

Great suggestions. I'll ask if it's brand new (ซิงซิง) or refurbished (ทำให้ใหม่).

[Mole]

No! Don't use ซิงซิง or ทำให้ใหม่

ซิง comes from Teochew Chinese which means new. But in Thai, ซิง is only used as slang when describing virgin girls. For example เปิดซิง means to have sex with a virgin or เด็กซิง which means a virgin. Or questions such as ซิงมั้ย would automatically imply if the girl is virgin or not.

Try to google ซิง or ซิงซิง and you'll see yourself what kind of results you get.

I am baffled why the Thai dictionaries even lists the word ซิงซิง because it's not really used this way at all.

Also, if you say ทำให้ใหม่, they would probably not really understand what you mean.

The best way is to actually ask whether it's brand new or not, which is ของใหม่เอี่ยม.

Alternatively, you could ask ของส่งซ่อมมา, which means if it has been sent for repair. (in other words refurbished)

In Thailand, refurbished goods are considered to be second-hand, so places like Tesco would never sell such.

My hunch is that it's most likely one which has been put on display, or if they have yellow price tags, they could as well be faulty or have some kind of defect.

You can also ask if it's ตัวโชว์ which means if it has been put on display or ask if ของมีตำหนิ if it's defect.

[Mole]

Another term worth knowing is ย้อมแมว which means something used, but fraudulent sold as if it's new. Or somethng defective, but sold as if it's mint condition.

This has a negative meaning and one should never ask a seller up-front using this word.

[kriswillems]

Actually, I was today in BigC and they sell a lot of products with mistakes and product that have missing pieces or don't work at all. Tesco and powerbuy do the same. So, if you are a farang that can't read Thai and you go to buy showroom models in these shops, you really can't know in which state they are. I would avoid buying such devices.

Today I found in BigC a fridge that was 2000 baht cheaper than the normal price, there was a very small paper attached inside the fridge that said: ไม่เย็น นำ้ยารั่ว and the outside it just said ตัวโชว์ ไม่รับประกัน . I am sure nobody would buy it if they would notice the paper inside. Most people would probably not notice such a small paper. The salesmen are not very talkative either when you approach the showroom models.

A similar thing happened to me in powerbuy. There was a vacumer, showroom model that was 700 baht cheaper than usual. I asked the seller why it was cheaper. He said it was a showroom model at it might have defects and they don't give any guarantee. I asked him what the defect in this device was and if it had a defect and he answered he didn't know. I opened the vacumer and a plastic tube inside the machine was broken and so it was totally unusable. I showed it to the seller and he just smiled. I am sure he knew about the defect.

This is not language related, but I would advice anyone not to buy showroom models or refurbished devices in Thailand unless you are very sure they are not broken. Never trust the salesmen in the supermarkets or shops.

Also the price of second hand products is very high in Thailand. Almost every time I wanted to buy something in จำนำ businesses I saw they sell their things more expensive than new products.

[kriswillems]

Thai people also very often use เกรดบี and เกรดเอ when talking about refurbished (or products with small defects) and new products. These words are often used when you buy a mobile phone in a small shop.

[rgs2001uk]

Actually, I was today in BigC and they sell a lot of products with mistakes and product that have missing pieces or don't work at all. Tesco and powerbuy do the same. So, if you are a farang that can't read Thai and you go to buy showroom models in these shops, you really can't know in which state they are. I would avoid buying such devices.

Today I found in BigC a fridge that was 2000 baht cheaper than the normal price, there was a very small paper attached inside the fridge that said: ไม่เย็น นำ้ยารั่ว and the outside it just said ตัวโชว์ ไม่รับประกัน . I am sure nobody would buy it if they would notice the paper inside. Most people would probably not notice such a small paper. The salesmen are not very talkative either when you approach the showroom models.

A similar thing happened to me in powerbuy. There was a vacumer, showroom model that was 700 baht cheaper than usual. I asked the seller why it was cheaper. He said it was a showroom model at it might have defects and they don't give any guarantee. I asked him what the defect in this device was and if it had a defect and he answered he didn't know. I opened the vacumer and a plastic tube inside the machine was broken and so it was totally unusable. I showed it to the seller and he just smiled. I am sure he knew about the defect.

This is not language related, but I would advice anyone not to buy showroom models or refurbished devices in Thailand unless you are very sure they are not broken. Never trust the salesmen in the supermarkets or shops.

Also the price of second hand products is very high in Thailand. Almost every time I wanted to buy something in จำนำ businesses I saw they sell their things more expensive than new products.

A similar thing happened to me in powerbuy.

Thai laws prevent me from commenting on Powerbuy, the only thing I will say is, neither I or anyone I know ever buys anything from there.

Ask the Thais to explain, forum rules prevent me.

[edwardandtubs]

The Tesco boy confirmed it was ของใหม่เอี่ยม and that it had a 12 month manufacturer's warranty. 10,490 baht for a 43 inch Samsung plasma seems too good to be true though. Maybe it's just old stock. I think it's this one: http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/television/television/plasma-tv/PS43F4000ARXXM

[Mole]

Actually, 10 grand is about the right price for 4X" plasma these days. Plasmas are getting real cheap.

If it's really that model, it doesn't look particularly good. 852x480 resolution is quite low actually. Good enough for cable TV or DVD.

[kriswillems]

The Tesco boy confirmed it was ของใหม่เอี่ยม and that it had a 12 month manufacturer's warranty. 10,490 baht for a 43 inch Samsung plasma seems too good to be true though. Maybe it's just old stock. I think it's this one: http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/television/television/plasma-tv/PS43F4000ARXXM

It's a standard resolution TV. It's probably very old. I don't think they have produced such devices the last 5 years. So, I really don't understand where they get it from. I think 10,490B is much too expensive, this thing should be sold on the second hand market, not in a supermarket. There's a high chance the electrolytic capacitors in there are bad, after not being powered for years, and that the device will be broken in a very short time (if it's not already broken).

[kriswillems]

Actually, I was today in BigC and they sell a lot of products with mistakes and product that have missing pieces or don't work at all. Tesco and powerbuy do the same. So, if you are a farang that can't read Thai and you go to buy showroom models in these shops, you really can't know in which state they are. I would avoid buying such devices.

Today I found in BigC a fridge that was 2000 baht cheaper than the normal price, there was a very small paper attached inside the fridge that said: ไม่เย็น นำ้ยารั่ว and the outside it just said ตัวโชว์ ไม่รับประกัน . I am sure nobody would buy it if they would notice the paper inside. Most people would probably not notice such a small paper. The salesmen are not very talkative either when you approach the showroom models.

A similar thing happened to me in powerbuy. There was a vacumer, showroom model that was 700 baht cheaper than usual. I asked the seller why it was cheaper. He said it was a showroom model at it might have defects and they don't give any guarantee. I asked him what the defect in this device was and if it had a defect and he answered he didn't know. I opened the vacumer and a plastic tube inside the machine was broken and so it was totally unusable. I showed it to the seller and he just smiled. I am sure he knew about the defect.

This is not language related, but I would advice anyone not to buy showroom models or refurbished devices in Thailand unless you are very sure they are not broken. Never trust the salesmen in the supermarkets or shops.

Also the price of second hand products is very high in Thailand. Almost every time I wanted to buy something in จำนำ businesses I saw they sell their things more expensive than new products.

A similar thing happened to me in powerbuy.

Thai laws prevent me from commenting on Powerbuy, the only thing I will say is, neither I or anyone I know ever buys anything from there.

Ask the Thais to explain, forum rules prevent me.

I bought a coffee machine over there (not a showroom model, but it was very cheap). I broke after 1 day, I went back to the shop and immediately got a new one. That one broke after one day again, I went to the shop and got a new one. That one also broke after 1 day. I did nothing.

[edwardandtubs]

The Tesco boy confirmed it was ของใหม่เอี่ยม and that it had a 12 month manufacturer's warranty. 10,490 baht for a 43 inch Samsung plasma seems too good to be true though. Maybe it's just old stock. I think it's this one: http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/television/television/plasma-tv/PS43F4000ARXXM

It's a standard resolution TV. It's probably very old. I don't think they have produced such devices the last 5 years. So, I really don't understand where they get it from. I think 10,490B is much too expensive, this thing should be sold on the second hand market, not in a supermarket. There's a high chance the electrolytic capacitors in there are bad, after not being powered for years, and that the device will be broken in a very short time (if it's not already broken).

Strange thing is on the yellow price label there are two model numbers. I wrote them both down:

PS43F4000ARXXT and PS43F4500ARXXT

The second one is the same as this one:

http://www.powerbuy.co.th/ProductDetail.aspx?CategoryID=336&Brand=&Price=0&itemNo=PWB000202601

It's described as HD in Tesco so maybe it is the second one. Strange that they would put two model numbers on the label. I'll have to go back and check. I only want it for the football on CTH's new HD channels.

[kriswillems]

If you want to see HD channels you better buy a full-HD tv. It will say "full-HD" and the box. The price is a bit higher. The quality difference is huge.

The models you saw accept an HD input signal, but do not show the image in full HD, so they are not "real" HD-TV's.

[iluvbeaches]

Bought a Samsung plasma 42 for 12,500 like two or three years ago that price isn't amazing I would gather.

[Mole]

The other model you listed isn't HD either. It's just 1024x768 which is kinda "HDReady".

If you're planning to watch HD channels with it, I also recommend you to get a FullHD 1920x1080 TV. Invest a bit more and you'll get much better picture as well as better quality TV which will last you much longer.

HDReady TVs with 1024x768 or 1366*768 are best to watch regular TV and DVDs. For FullHD TV channels and Blu-ray, it's best to get 1920x1080 FullHD TVs.

FullHD TVs will still be relevant in 10 years time while HDReady TVs are already becoming outdated right now.

Plasma FullHD isn't that much expensive these days. I think you should be able to get 42" for around 20K or less. 50" will set you back less than 30K.