The Red Bull heir and inequality in Thailand

[Jay Sata]

News travels fast.

The rich Thai's most valuable asset is face.

That why Thaksin, despite his billions, can not enjoy his life.

Red Bull and Coke takes on a different meaning when you see the grinning Red Bull heir and the dead cops bike.

[Bpuumike]

As much as I agree with the sentiment in most posts here, I can not see that it would make any difference to my small life, if this spoiled kid is in Singapore or in prison.

Yes it is proof of, that the system is not working. Hardly a surprise to anyone?

In Thailand BS talks and money walks!

It would make a difference to your 'small life' if you were the victim.

[Arkady]

Organise a global boycott of Red Bull which is a ghastly concoction with no known health benefits that the world would be better off without anyway. As soon as the family sees the first billion dollars drop off from their NAV, they will cart this ghastly young punk to jail themselves and leave him there.

Hurt them in the pocket, not just the B3 million in loose change they threw to the cop's family to pick up like husks thrown to pigs. Blood is thicker than water but money is much more important to these amoral people.

[NeverToReturn]

Organise a global boycott of Red Bull which is a ghastly concoction with no known health benefits that the world would be better off without anyway. As soon as the family sees the first billion dollars drop off from their NAV, they will cart this ghastly young punk to jail themselves and leave him there.

Hurt them in the pocket, not just the B3 million in loose change they threw to the cop's family to pick up like husks thrown to pigs. Blood is thicker than water but money is much more important to these amoral people.

Most people on the planet who drink this no doubt couldnt care less about Thailand or its politics.

Thailands a insignificant place where men go for hookers to most the world.

Besides most the planet is just as corrupt, just in Thailand its life that is expendable.

[Colabamumbai]

Boycott Redbull diminish his inheiritance.

[FiftyTwo]

Organise a global boycott of Red Bull which is a ghastly concoction with no known health benefits that the world would be better off without anyway. As soon as the family sees the first billion dollars drop off from their NAV, they will cart this ghastly young punk to jail themselves and leave him there.

Hurt them in the pocket, not just the B3 million in loose change they threw to the cop's family to pick up like husks thrown to pigs. Blood is thicker than water but money is much more important to these amoral people.

But you must admit the empty Red Bull bottle is the national standard for corner shops to sell illegal lao kao under the counter, I thought they usually just poured the Red Bull away.

[Dasekel]

I think the most shocking part of this is that he killed a cop. Normally, it's a huge thing to kill police, even accidentally but here it seems to be a non event. Amazing.

Unfortunately not the first time. Remember several years ago? One of the notorious sons of the previous Interior Minister (now "promoted" to Labour Minister) was "reported" to (I am very careful about what I am saying) have killed a policeman in a pub and there was even video evidence. After a couple of months in hiding (maybe until everything was prepared??), he came back and guess what, he was acquitted.

The other day (several months or ~ 2 years ago) I even read that he was assigned to a very high position within the Ministry of Health without any qualification whatsoever. Oh wait, isn't he even the guy who was mentioned as a sharp shooting specialist in another news many months ago (could have been one of his brothers, though), justifying a special rank or position in the police force??

Anyway, a country where something like this can happen (not only the son getting aweay with a "reported" murder, but the father becoming Minister of Interior a couple of years later) is light years away from a modern democracy. Banana Republic is more like it. Does not matter at all who is in charge.

[rametindallas]

It is alleged that one of Police Captain Chalerm's sons had his bodyguards hold a police sergeant's arms while Chalerm's son shot him point blank in the face in cold blood. The terrorists in the South murder police and the government still wants to make peace with them. I think you have to be in the top 1% for you death to matter in Thailand. Just my opinion.

e.g. You're saying the UK government should not have negotiated a peace agreement for Northern Ireland where 300 full and part-time police officers were murdered by the militant factions of the political parties?

Please don't put words in my mouth and you can always find an example some where in the history of the world to refute any statement I may make. I'm only speaking in a Thailand context that a police officer's life is not so valuable. I am not qualified to comment on the UK government's decisions nor do I want to. Maybe you can find someone else to argue with you; I'm not interested.

You raised the the example of the deep South, I responded to your comment; end of...

No hard feelings. I could have answered your comment with the question, 'You're saying the terrorists in the South are the same as the IRA when it comes to negotiating a peace agreement?' No need to reply as I know that is not what you meant.

[rametindallas]

Does it bother you if the victim family is happy, very happy with the out of court settlement?

So the law of the land, the relevant punishments, applicable (in theory) to all citizens should be all forgotten, just pay up and all forgotten?

And what about those who break laws (e.g. break a traffic law, and someone gets killed) and they have no money?

This approach makes a total mockery of the whole purpose of the law.

Punishment appropriate to the case should be there, as apunishment, and as a deterrent to other to not break the said law.

Compensation is a different, but important, matter, and should also be in the picture.

But compensation simple overriding the law is not acceptable, ever.

I think you are right in what you say, especially when you say that a punishment should serve as a deterrent to others not to break the rules.

However, I am pretty sure that if one day you find yourself involved in such an accident you would be very happy to get rid of a few millions in order to avoid jail. If you have a few spare millions, of course.

You have no money, you go to jail. You have money, you compensate the victim, pay the funeral and try to apologize the best you can. In one case you lose some of your freedom, in the other case you lose money. Both are punishements.

Accidents can happen, and in case of accidents I believe that the compensation system is not bad. It makes both sides "less unhappy".

In this particular case (as well as many other cases, unfortunately), what I have great difficulties to accept is that the driver fleed the scene of the accident. That deserves extra punishment.

I disagree with your comparison of money punishment to prison punishment. $100,000 to a billionaire in not even a slap on the wrist. With money punishment you continue you life as if nothing bad happened. With prison punishment, you have time to consider what your actions were that put you in that situation. You have more chance to learn a lesson and change your ways with prison punishment.

It is no longer an 'accident' when you knowingly take cocaine and drink and then drive at well over the posted speed limits at night and then 'accidentally' drag your victim several hundred meters. We all have accidents. This was intoxication manslaughter and it's not being prosecuted.

[Thai at Heart]

Does it bother you if the victim family is happy, very happy with the out of court settlement?

So the law of the land, the relevant punishments, applicable (in theory) to all citizens should be all forgotten, just pay up and all forgotten?

And what about those who break laws (e.g. break a traffic law, and someone gets killed) and they have no money?

This approach makes a total mockery of the whole purpose of the law.

Punishment appropriate to the case should be there, as apunishment, and as a deterrent to other to not break the said law.

Compensation is a different, but important, matter, and should also be in the picture.

But compensation simple overriding the law is not acceptable, ever.

I think you are right in what you say, especially when you say that a punishment should serve as a deterrent to others not to break the rules.

However, I am pretty sure that if one day you find yourself involved in such an accident you would be very happy to get rid of a few millions in order to avoid jail. If you have a few spare millions, of course.

You have no money, you go to jail. You have money, you compensate the victim, pay the funeral and try to apologize the best you can. In one case you lose some of your freedom, in the other case you lose money. Both are punishements.

Accidents can happen, and in case of accidents I believe that the compensation system is not bad. It makes both sides "less unhappy".

In this particular case (as well as many other cases, unfortunately), what I have great difficulties to accept is that the driver fleed the scene of the accident. That deserves extra punishment.

I disagree with your comparison of money punishment to prison punishment. $100,000 to a billionaire in not even a slap on the wrist. With money punishment you continue you life as if nothing bad happened. With prison punishment, you have time to consider what your actions were that put you in that situation. You have more chance to learn a lesson and change your ways with prison punishment.

It is no longer an 'accident' when you knowingly take cocaine and drink and then drive at well over the posted speed limits at night and then 'accidentally' drag your victim several hundred meters. We all have accidents. This was intoxication manslaughter and it's not being prosecuted.

Ron paul for pm of Thailand????

I say yes....

[61guitarman61]

MONEY WALKS - PERIOD

I am the victim of kangaroo court here in MaeSot.

Long story synopsis:

I was involved in a traffic accident in 2011. I was on a motorbike, the other vehicle was a straight truck with a tag trailer. My injuries were life threatening and left me with permanent injuries which affect my former life and livelihood. The other driver was 100% wrong, violating signage and rules of the road. I was, according to police estimate, traveling 50 km/h, where the double lane highway's speed limit was 70 km/h. The first criminal court's verdict fined me 1,000 baht for excessive speed, while sentencing the other driver to 1 year in jail. He appealed. The appellant court's verdict was that we are equally at fault, and also dismissed my civil case.

1. I was not in the wrong. There should be 0% fault or liability against me.

2. The other driver was 100% wrong.

3. At the time of the criminal hearing I was very much still incapacitated mentally from my brain trauma and could not argue my own case. The court provided an interpreter who was only about 50% proficient in English and did not interpret or convey what I wanted to convey to my attorney or the court. The first hearing was not just.

4. The appellant court had no new information and no hearing, only the judge rereading the first court transcript.

I have been railroaded. I have substantial damages for a civil court to hear and award, but the appellant court has made a wrong determination. It would appear that the possibility is present of some foul play. The other driver is just a working class guy with no money. The company I would be suing that owns the truck is a large and wealthy one.

Any helpful suggestions?

[adjustedpete]

THAILAND! the world is watching you.

LMFAO.........NO, they are not........... nobody cares.

[Prbkk]

It would be interesting to know when he will be back. It's taking a long time to get over this flu. Also interesting to know if he goes through the bangkok arrivals special lane at changi . As a rule, Singapore doesn't take too kindly to drug users ( although anyone with money always welcome regardless of what they might have done)

Funny they already "forgot" to mention the suspision of drving under the influance of cocaine and alcohol.

Maybe a few years later he didn't drive at all.

[DocN]

Where are the 18 university directors and 10.000 demonstrators on this case?

It is "easy" to march against Thaksin- but what about the people who fXXX you over and over and over again and again, day after day, month after month and year after year?

[RogueLeader]

MONEY WALKS - PERIOD

I am the victim of kangaroo court here in MaeSot.

Long story synopsis:

I was involved in a traffic accident in 2011. I was on a motorbike, the other vehicle was a straight truck with a tag trailer. My injuries were life threatening and left me with permanent injuries which affect my former life and livelihood. The other driver was 100% wrong, violating signage and rules of the road. I was, according to police estimate, traveling 50 km/h, where the double lane highway's speed limit was 70 km/h. The first criminal court's verdict fined me 1,000 baht for excessive speed, while sentencing the other driver to 1 year in jail. He appealed. The appellant court's verdict was that we are equally at fault, and also dismissed my civil case.

1. I was not in the wrong. There should be 0% fault or liability against me.

2. The other driver was 100% wrong.

3. At the time of the criminal hearing I was very much still incapacitated mentally from my brain trauma and could not argue my own case. The court provided an interpreter who was only about 50% proficient in English and did not interpret or convey what I wanted to convey to my attorney or the court. The first hearing was not just.

4. The appellant court had no new information and no hearing, only the judge rereading the first court transcript.

I have been railroaded. I have substantial damages for a civil court to hear and award, but the appellant court has made a wrong determination. It would appear that the possibility is present of some foul play. The other driver is just a working class guy with no money. The company I would be suing that owns the truck is a large and wealthy one.

Any helpful suggestions?

You're in Thailand. If you cut your losses now, you'll save a lot of money. A Thai court will never settle in your favour, but there are plenty of lawyers who will spin your hopes up for as long as you have money to pay them.

[doctorproc156]

MONEY WALKS - PERIOD

I am the victim of kangaroo court here in MaeSot.

Long story synopsis:

I was involved in a traffic accident in 2011. I was on a motorbike, the other vehicle was a straight truck with a tag trailer. My injuries were life threatening and left me with permanent injuries which affect my former life and livelihood. The other driver was 100% wrong, violating signage and rules of the road. I was, according to police estimate, traveling 50 km/h, where the double lane highway's speed limit was 70 km/h. The first criminal court's verdict fined me 1,000 baht for excessive speed, while sentencing the other driver to 1 year in jail. He appealed. The appellant court's verdict was that we are equally at fault, and also dismissed my civil case.

1. I was not in the wrong. There should be 0% fault or liability against me.

2. The other driver was 100% wrong.

3. At the time of the criminal hearing I was very much still incapacitated mentally from my brain trauma and could not argue my own case. The court provided an interpreter who was only about 50% proficient in English and did not interpret or convey what I wanted to convey to my attorney or the court. The first hearing was not just.

4. The appellant court had no new information and no hearing, only the judge rereading the first court transcript.

I have been railroaded. I have substantial damages for a civil court to hear and award, but the appellant court has made a wrong determination. It would appear that the possibility is present of some foul play. The other driver is just a working class guy with no money. The company I would be suing that owns the truck is a large and wealthy one.

Any helpful suggestions?

You should search for a very well educated and English proficient Thai lawyer in Bangkok who would work for a contingent fee rather than a direct fee, it usually means the lawyer has a lot more incentive and you should have more confidence in him being able to defend you.

[Jim walker]

If you have money and influence in Thailand of course you can get off with murder, we all know what the verdict will be if he ever finds a few free days from his playboy partying to stand trial. Thailand the real land of the Free.

[Heng]

Money has bought freedom since the beginning of time. It's no different now or here.

[smutcakes]

No one wealthy and powerful in Thailand has ever been convicted of anything, apart from Thaksin. But please keep telling everyone its not political.

Guilty of the charges probably 100%, politically motivated conviction 100000%. No wonder he is hacked off.

[bigbamboo]

Money has bought freedom since the beginning of time. It's no different now or here.

"Money doesn't talk, it swears."

Bob Dylan.

[harrry]

Organise a global boycott of Red Bull which is a ghastly concoction with no known health benefits that the world would be better off without anyway. As soon as the family sees the first billion dollars drop off from their NAV, they will cart this ghastly young punk to jail themselves and leave him there.

Hurt them in the pocket, not just the B3 million in loose change they threw to the cop's family to pick up like husks thrown to pigs. Blood is thicker than water but money is much more important to these amoral people.

I cannot understand why Red Bull keeps getting mentioned. As far as I can see the guy worked for the agency of the brand of car he drove.

[Prbkk]

Red Bull owns that agency....

Organise a global boycott of Red Bull which is a ghastly concoction with no known health benefits that the world would be better off without anyway. As soon as the family sees the first billion dollars drop off from their NAV, they will cart this ghastly young punk to jail themselves and leave him there.

Hurt them in the pocket, not just the B3 million in loose change they threw to the cop's family to pick up like husks thrown to pigs. Blood is thicker than water but money is much more important to these amoral people.

I cannot understand why Red Bull keeps getting mentioned. As far as I can see the guy worked for the agency of the brand of car he drove.

[thailauren]

This is total BS. This people of country thinks they above everyone else and that they are always right.

See, Thailand is a wonderful and beautiful country and like many other countries around the world the people are the ones messing it up. But i think until something drastic happenes they will not learn. Like the Temple case for exanple. Those concerned must be finding it hard to look in the mirror due to the loss of face.

When will they learn.?

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[harrry]

Red Bull owns that agency....

Organise a global boycott of Red Bull which is a ghastly concoction with no known health benefits that the world would be better off without anyway. As soon as the family sees the first billion dollars drop off from their NAV, they will cart this ghastly young punk to jail themselves and leave him there.

Hurt them in the pocket, not just the B3 million in loose change they threw to the cop's family to pick up like husks thrown to pigs. Blood is thicker than water but money is much more important to these amoral people.

I cannot understand why Red Bull keeps getting mentioned. As far as I can see the guy worked for the agency of the brand of car he drove.

No red bull does not. It is the family that owns less than 2% of Red Bull. He however does own the Thai Rights to dealership of the F1 Competitor of Red Bull which seems to get little mention. Must have a better PR company.

[Prbkk]

So the family has sold its interest in red bull? It was 51%

Red Bull owns that agency....

Organise a global boycott of Red Bull which is a ghastly concoction with no known health benefits that the world would be better off without anyway. As soon as the family sees the first billion dollars drop off from their NAV, they will cart this ghastly young punk to jail themselves and leave him there.

Hurt them in the pocket, not just the B3 million in loose change they threw to the cop's family to pick up like husks thrown to pigs. Blood is thicker than water but money is much more important to these amoral people.

I cannot understand why Red Bull keeps getting mentioned. As far as I can see the guy worked for the agency of the brand of car he drove.

No red bull does not. It is the family that owns less than 2% of Red Bull. He however does own the Thai Rights to dealership of the F1 Competitor of Red Bull which seems to get little mention. Must have a better PR company.

[harrry]

So the family has sold its interest in red bull? It was 51%

Red Bull owns that agency....

I cannot understand why Red Bull keeps getting mentioned. As far as I can see the guy worked for the agency of the brand of car he drove.

No red bull does not. It is the family that owns less than 2% of Red Bull. He however does own the Thai Rights to dealership of the F1 Competitor of Red Bull which seems to get little mention. Must have a better PR company.

Sorry I was thinking of the 2% Chalerm held. I was wrong. The red car though would seem a more appropriate target in this case though.

Edited November 20, 2013 by harrry

[Credo]

Money has bought freedom since the beginning of time. It's no different now or here.

You might want to ask Bernie Madoff about that.

[Heng]

Money has bought freedom since the beginning of time. It's no different now or here.

You might want to ask Bernie Madoff about that.

When he gets out, he'll likely follow the Michael Milken comeback game plan. You don't get to that level of the game without learning how to sock away funds for a rainy day.

[farang000999]

He got a 100 years.

[Heng]

Didn't realize he was already 75. That's pretty much the end of the road already.