6 year old girl scarred for life after dog attack at North Pattaya construction site

[Morden]

Sad.

This is another case to counter the soppy outpourings of the 'poor soi dog brigade'. The vermin should be killed unless they are penned on their owners' land.

you can judge a mans character by the way he treats his fellow animals

I'm very good to my animals. Soi dogs are vermin and we kill vermin. Those creatures are not the same as well cared for and enclosed pet dogs.

[robblok]

Sorry but in this case I don't blame the dogs but the patents. Its natural for any animal to protects its young. Clearly an accident. Quite different from a gang of soi dogs acting aggressive.

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No, the dogs can't be blamed for what the are but kill them all and there will be no more attacks from them.

Read this and see how dangerous any uncared for dog can be. Again, deal with the dogs not people, other than the owners.

Thing is this dog was only protecting its young, totally different from a group of aggressive dogs. As for killing of the soi dogs ask how the Thais think about that. I personally would not mind killing off some of the aggressive dogs that have bitten people.

However that won't happen in Thailand as we all know. Now you got old farts that are afraid of their own shadow that want to kill them all that is a bit overkill in my opinion. Aggressive packs of dogs sure.. all of them.. nope.. good thing would be if they just started with neutering them the the problem would slowly solve itself. That should be something the Thais would be ok with.

[Morden]

Too many stray dogs in Bangkok and rest of Thailand in general. I have more than once been almost attacked by street dogs. I was once chased by a pack of dogs when jogging down the road in a residential area. The dogs retreated when I picked up some rocks and started to throw at them. Unfortunately too many animal lovers here feeding the street dogs and culling would be out of the question.

I think you might find that those were not street dogs, often in residential area's they leave dogs outside to roam free but care for them. Running is a good way to attract dogs, its in their nature.

Here in our village there are at least 10 dogs living free that do belong to someone and even I let my dog out to roam free for say 20 minutes at a time in the park in front of the house (on times there are not many ppl around)

The owners don't usually either care for the dogs or take responsibility for them - until they get killed. I have no problem with a properly cared for dog on the owner's land but I do have strong views on the ones left to roam and cause harm.

[Morden]

Too many stray dogs in Bangkok and rest of Thailand in general. I have more than once been almost attacked by street dogs. I was once chased by a pack of dogs when jogging down the road in a residential area. The dogs retreated when I picked up some rocks and started to throw at them. Unfortunately too many animal lovers here feeding the street dogs and culling would be out of the question.

I think you might find that those were not street dogs, often in residential area's they leave dogs outside to roam free but care for them. Running is a good way to attract dogs, its in their nature.

Here in our village there are at least 10 dogs living free that do belong to someone and even I let my dog out to roam free for say 20 minutes at a time in the park in front of the house (on times there are not many ppl around)

So obviously if your dog is let loose and unattended, it would be the parents fault if it bit a 6 year old child.

Whether the dogs are stray or owned by someone, they should not be allowed to roam freely.

In both instances the dogs should be rounded up in order to keep the streets clean and safe.

I doubt the Thais see it this way, good luck trying to change that.

But yes I would be at fault if my dog attacked someone that is only logical. Unless of course they caused it by attacking it. But the parents are at fault for letting her kid come to the dog with puppies. its normal for those to protect and a 6 year old kid should not be out alone

Some Thais do and many don't. Where a dog is a nuisance or a danger, it's up to others to deal with the problem. I don't see that changing.

[Morden]

Wat about carrying a cattle prod? Not lethal at all but effective for animals as well as humans.

A bit of a handful to carry. Pepper spray and zappers are, as someone pointed out on another thread, easier to handle. However, the curs return eventually and nothing changes.

[tonytigerbkk]

To Thousandpercent, Re: post # 23

Quote "Anyone with common sense would not be a construction worker in grinding poverty who has to leave the child in order to work for just enough calories to keep the child nourished. Poor people just have no common sense."

What a bizarre post.

The reason why they are construction workers is because of poverty.

There is no social security (welfare) in Thailand (or Cambodia where most construction workers are from).

Their choice of profession is not due to common sense, it is about necessity.

If they did nothing for a living they would not be able to feed the child at all.

Obviously you were fortunate enough to get a decent education and therefore are able to choose how you earn your money.

These construction workers were born in poverty and will live in poverty because there is no escape for them.

There is no reason to look down on someone because of circumstances which are beyond their control.

[Morden]

Sad.

This is another case to counter the soppy outpourings of the 'poor soi dog brigade'. The vermin should be killed unless they are penned on their owners' land.

You so right. Stupid dog is minding its own business, a smart human goes to annoy it and its the dogs fault.

Your sentiments towards animals, lemoncake, cannot be debated.

It is not the "dog's fault", inasmuch as people being stupid enough to "let the tigers out of the cage". Moreover, it is a case of "you get what you asked for". You coming along and defending the dog is simply a rude way of saying "I told you so". I say "rude" because you are doing this in lieu of a child lying in a hospital who will bear scars and humiliation from other Thais for the remainder of her days. Just a suggestion, but if you wish for people to not view you as scum, then a little respect towards the little girl before announcing your passions for ferel animals would be in order.

But dogs do co-exist here with humans and those who appear human and walk upright and behave human most of the time.

Subsequently, dogs and humans will suffer and even die from the actions and behaviors of the others.

If you insist on implying that all living things are equal, and are to be treated equal, then I cannot imagine why you are berating Morden for exercising his right to express his disgust with the dog, his compassion for the little girl, yet in the same breathe defending the ferel dog for almost killing another living creature in its environment.

Are you being biased towards dogs and racist towards humans?

Are you suggesting that no action be taken?

Are you saying that feral animals in a human environment have no limitations on their behaviors, and that we are supposed to "step around them" at every given moment?

Are animals sacred to you, lemoncake, to the point that you did not even bother to express at least an ounce of something positive towards the "horrible little girl who was threatening the angelic bitch, who was protecting her illegitimate ferel spawn"?

Your psychology on this issue is convoluted and you do not play by any rules, it seems. That makes it easy for you to sit on the hill and cast down judgment, doesn't it?

I am merely amused and curious at your blind defense of one, and aggressions towards the other in this endeavor for a perfect world.

I do not mean to offend you, and I do understand that the parents are stupid, but the girl should not have had to pay the price for her stupid parents.

However, were the dog to have attacked, say, my son for no reason (and it does happen), and you were to be in my presence and spout of an insensitive and untimely defense of your beloved animal kingdom, then I assure you I would take it upon myself to impress upon your mind that human children are also sacred and have rights to be protected by parents just as much as those ferel puppies.

I do hope you understand, and don't cry to the mods over this disrespect and anger at your insensitive and untimely post.

Thank you.

Yes, children are sacred. Semi-wild dogs don't earn that description.

A good, rational post with feeling.

[rotary]

Very sad news. Lets hope things work out for this child.

[tonytigerbkk]

To Thousandpercent, Re: post # 23

Quote "Anyone with common sense would not be a construction worker in grinding poverty who has to leave the child in order to work for just enough calories to keep the child nourished. Poor people just have no common sense."

What a bizarre post.

The reason why they are construction workers is because of poverty.

There is no social security (welfare) in Thailand (or Cambodia where most construction workers are from).

Their choice of profession is not due to common sense, it is about necessity.

If they did nothing for a living they would not be able to feed the child at all.

Obviously you were fortunate enough to get a decent education and therefore are able to choose how you earn your money.

These construction workers were born in poverty and will live in poverty because there is no escape for them.

There is no reason to look down on someone because of circumstances which are beyond their control.

Sorry Thousandpercent, I was typing up my post while you were sending your additional posts, so I did not realise that your post was tongue in cheek.

[Morden]

Sad.

This is another case to counter the soppy outpourings of the 'poor soi dog brigade'. The vermin should be killed unless they are penned on their owners' land.

You so right. Stupid dog is minding its own business, a smart human goes to annoy it and its the dogs fault.

Who said it was the dog's fault? The article makes it clear it was not, "The girl, who was unaware of the danger due to her young age, approached the new mother and her puppies."

Are you suggesting that it was the poor little girl's fault? Does she deserve to be scarred for life?

[Morden]

Sorry but in this case I don't blame the dogs but the patents. Its natural for any animal to protects its young. Clearly an accident. Quite different from a gang of soi dogs acting aggressive.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

No, the dogs can't be blamed for what the are but kill them all and there will be no more attacks from them.

Read this and see how dangerous any uncared for dog can be. Again, deal with the dogs not people, other than the owners.

Thing is this dog was only protecting its young, totally different from a group of aggressive dogs. As for killing of the soi dogs ask how the Thais think about that. I personally would not mind killing off some of the aggressive dogs that have bitten people.

However that won't happen in Thailand as we all know. Now you got old farts that are afraid of their own shadow that want to kill them all that is a bit overkill in my opinion. Aggressive packs of dogs sure.. all of them.. nope.. good thing would be if they just started with neutering them the the problem would slowly solve itself. That should be something the Thais would be ok with.

I have yet to be attacked by a soi dog, principally because I am usually in a car when I leave home. However, they have wreaked havoc on our land and, after too many incidents, they now pay the ultimate price. The owners didn't care what damage their dogs did but reacted and learned the lesson when we dealt with the problem ourselves. The surviving dogs also stay away now!

[cup-O-coffee]

Sad.

This is another case to counter the soppy outpourings of the 'poor soi dog brigade'. The vermin should be killed unless they are penned on their owners' land.

You so right. Stupid dog is minding its own business, a smart human goes to annoy it and its the dogs fault.

Who said it was the dog's fault? The article makes it clear it was not, "The girl, who was unaware of the danger due to her young age, approached the new mother and her puppies."

Are you suggesting that it was the poor little girl's fault? Does she deserve to be scarred for life?

It is not the dog's fault. Dogs are not cognizant enough to be credited with fault. One of the wild carsd that anuimal lovers like to pull over our eyes is getting us to enlist into anthropomorphism; oe attributiing a human form or other characteristics to anything other than a human being. They like to make us believe that animals are human too. We cannot be good husbandmen of animals when we do this, no matter how much they would like us to engage in those views.

Even beginnig to interacially mix species together in this fashion, and to lower the rights of human beings to those of animals, is about as disgusting to me as the subject of beastiality.

Why not forego cutting back weeds and trees and simply let our cities and streets get overgrown?

Why not forego fencing in livestock and drive down roads slowly and cautiously so we don't end up dead with an ox or goat through our windscreen?

My point is, if we go into the realm of reasoning with anthropomorph-minded individuals, then it is about as effective as indulging in logic and reasoning with a Thai construction worker when laying pipes and electrical.

And regarding Thais views. Thais do not say anything about this, because the truth is they poison thousands of dogs yearly. It is a subject that is understood and accepted, yet it is stictly taboo to talk about. That is how the Thais deal with it. I am quite certain that they are astounded at how foreigners spout off and warn everyone and then go and do something that immediately incriminates them because they are the one who made most of the fuss.

I would be very surprised if thet bitch and her litter are still there.

Be very attentive when a Thai politely tells you that they saw your dog out roaming the other day.

And if you feel as strongly about feral dogs as I do, then I don't want to hear about it. This is one instance where you do in Rome as the Romans did so long ago.

[Bagwan]

Mamma dog was protecting her young. It is a pity that the little girls parents didn't follow suit but I understand their difficulties.

I an currently looking after my wife's 4 year old granddaughter while my wife is at work. Left unattended for 4 minutes the tot emptied two large cans of talcum powder all over my bed and the rest of the bedroom. A stern talking to was administered but really I only have myself to blame.

[zazao9]

Poor kid, seems to be happening a lot more now or else it is being reported more.

What is happening a lot more ? Unattended child touching a mother dog who just gave birth?

Anyone with common sense knows what xen means.

I would have thought anyone with common sense would not leave a 6 year old alone with soi dogs, let alone let her play with a mother dog after giving birth.

I guess I do not have as much common sense as some VERY sensible posters

I completely agree leaving a young child alone is terrible anyway and the parents should be done for leaving her. As for the dog attack these dogs should be rounded up and destroyed, i am an animal lover but lets face it these dogs have no quality of life.

[balo]

The construction sites here is a joke !

Like where I live in Soi Watboon , Jomtien , the poor workers from rural Thailand or Cambodia live in a constructed village next to my condo . And all the kids are playing inside the contruction site , day or night . And lots of soi dogs everywhere , an accident is just waiting to happen .

I blame it on the developers , they build new condos very fast and efficient , but the construction workers and families pay the price.

Any other country in the west and the construction sites would have been closed down.

Edited September 14, 2013 by balo

[blackman]

this news is sure to throw more fuel on a smoldering fire

i hope the girl recovers quickly with minimum scarring

as predicted this morning, another thread where dog haters can openly advocate and celebrate the killing of mans best friend by the cowardly poisoning of them

one hopes that karma really does exist and that they in turn suffer a grisly, painful and protracted death

the sooner the better...

[blackman]

Sorry but in this case I don't blame the dogs but the patents. Its natural for any animal to protects its young. Clearly an accident. Quite different from a gang of soi dogs acting aggressive.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

No, the dogs can't be blamed for what the are but kill them all and there will be no more attacks from them.

Read this and see how dangerous any uncared for dog can be. Again, deal with the dogs not people, other than the owners.

Thing is this dog was only protecting its young, totally different from a group of aggressive dogs. As for killing of the soi dogs ask how the Thais think about that. I personally would not mind killing off some of the aggressive dogs that have bitten people.

However that won't happen in Thailand as we all know. Now you got old farts that are afraid of their own shadow that want to kill them all that is a bit overkill in my opinion. Aggressive packs of dogs sure.. all of them.. nope.. good thing would be if they just started with neutering them the the problem would slowly solve itself. That should be something the Thais would be ok with.

I have yet to be attacked by a soi dog, principally because I am usually in a car when I leave home. However, they have wreaked havoc on our land and, after too many incidents, they now pay the ultimate price. The owners didn't care what damage their dogs did but reacted and learned the lesson when we dealt with the problem ourselves. The surviving dogs also stay away now!

maybe one day you will choose the wrong dog to poison and you will pay the ultimate price

[maamoot]

To Thousandpercent, Re: post # 23

Quote "Anyone with common sense would not be a construction worker in grinding poverty who has to leave the child in order to work for just enough calories to keep the child nourished. Poor people just have no common sense."

What a bizarre post.

The reason why they are construction workers is because of poverty.

There is no social security (welfare) in Thailand (or Cambodia where most construction workers are from).

Their choice of profession is not due to common sense, it is about necessity.

If they did nothing for a living they would not be able to feed the child at all.

Obviously you were fortunate enough to get a decent education and therefore are able to choose how you earn your money.

These construction workers were born in poverty and will live in poverty because there is no escape for them.

There is no reason to look down on someone because of circumstances which are beyond their control.

sarcasm , I guess a good education would cover that as well

[lemoncake]

Sad.

This is another case to counter the soppy outpourings of the 'poor soi dog brigade'. The vermin should be killed unless they are penned on their owners' land.

You so right. Stupid dog is minding its own business, a smart human goes to annoy it and its the dogs fault.

Your sentiments towards animals, lemoncake, cannot be debated.

It is not the "dog's fault", inasmuch as people being stupid enough to "let the tigers out of the cage". Moreover, it is a case of "you get what you asked for". You coming along and defending the dog is simply a rude way of saying "I told you so". I say "rude" because you are doing this in lieu of a child lying in a hospital who will bear scars and humiliation from other Thais for the remainder of her days. Just a suggestion, but if you wish for people to not view you as scum, then a little respect towards the little girl before announcing your passions for ferel animals would be in order.

But dogs do co-exist here with humans and those who appear human and walk upright and behave human most of the time.

Subsequently, dogs and humans will suffer and even die from the actions and behaviors of the others.

If you insist on implying that all living things are equal, and are to be treated equal, then I cannot imagine why you are berating Morden for exercising his right to express his disgust with the dog, his compassion for the little girl, yet in the same breathe defending the ferel dog for almost killing another living creature in its environment.

Are you being biased towards dogs and racist towards humans?

Are you suggesting that no action be taken?

Are you saying that feral animals in a human environment have no limitations on their behaviors, and that we are supposed to "step around them" at every given moment?

Are animals sacred to you, lemoncake, to the point that you did not even bother to express at least an ounce of something positive towards the "horrible little girl who was threatening the angelic bitch, who was protecting her illegitimate ferel spawn"?

Your psychology on this issue is convoluted and you do not play by any rules, it seems. That makes it easy for you to sit on the hill and cast down judgment, doesn't it?

I am merely amused and curious at your blind defense of one, and aggressions towards the other in this endeavor for a perfect world.

I do not mean to offend you, and I do understand that the parents are stupid, but the girl should not have had to pay the price for her stupid parents.

However, were the dog to have attacked, say, my son for no reason (and it does happen), and you were to be in my presence and spout of an insensitive and untimely defense of your beloved animal kingdom, then I assure you I would take it upon myself to impress upon your mind that human children are also sacred and have rights to be protected by parents just as much as those ferel puppies.

I do hope you understand, and don't cry to the mods over this disrespect and anger at your insensitive and untimely post.

I am sorry I could not be bothered to read through the entire drivel.

If someone was a threat to your child, you would defend it, exactly what the mother dog did .

Sure it is sad for the little girl , but it is her parents to blame for leaving a 6 year old without any supervision.

[lemoncake]

I completely agree leaving a young child alone is terrible anyway and the parents should be done for leaving her. As for the dog attack these dogs should be rounded up and destroyed, i am an animal lover but lets face it these dogs have no quality of life.

Where is the measuring cup for quality of life for dogs?

Edited September 14, 2013 by lemoncake

[lemoncake]

Read the report again. The incident took place on a construction site. No-one left the child with a nursing dog. Whilst I agree that parents should take care of their children, the children should not be at risk from diseased and aggressive dogs.

Good idea to read again .

Little girl went to mother dog not other way around. Doh

Furthermore, are you really saying construction site is a place for unsupervised child???

Edited September 14, 2013 by lemoncake

[lemoncake]

You're right, parents should carry their children on their back like a backpack when they're are working to make a living

Parents should take their kids to construction sites? Oh but wait if one can not afford to have a baby, how about NOT have one in the first place?!

Edited September 14, 2013 by lemoncake

[peecee]

Sad.

This is another case to counter the soppy outpourings of the 'poor soi dog brigade'. The vermin should be killed unless they are penned on their owners' land.

You so right. Stupid dog is minding its own business, a smart human goes to annoy it and its the dogs fault.

Smart at 6; poor kid! Or she must be some child prodigy eh?

It's the parent's fault of course, how could this little girl know any different?

[oops]

Every time I hear about something like this, I start thinking about all the pit bulls that are being breed in Pattaya. Eventually these dogs will hit the streets either by owners who have to leave and can't get rid of them. I myself have seen these breeders pop up all over Pattaya. They are selling these dogs to people who they themselves should have a license around their necks just to be allowed to walk freely. I see a huge problem in Pattaya over the next 5 years....mark my word on it.

[mikemac]

You're right, parents should carry their children on their back like a backpack when they're are working to make a living

Some of the hill tribe people I source products from do just that.

[Morden]

this news is sure to throw more fuel on a smoldering fire

i hope the girl recovers quickly with minimum scarring

as predicted this morning, another thread where dog haters can openly advocate and celebrate the killing of mans best friend by the cowardly poisoning of them

one hopes that karma really does exist and that they in turn suffer a grisly, painful and protracted death

the sooner the better...

Soi dogs are not man's best friend.

[Morden]

Blackman: maybe one day you will choose the wrong dog to poison and you will pay the ultimate price

What's the ultimate price? The owners of dogs that created havoc on our land muttered a few words and then shut up.

[Morden]

It's simple.

Children are more important than dogs for which no-one takes responsibility. So. if the dogs do harm, exterminate the diseased buggers.

[jbrain]

You're right, parents should carry their children on their back like a backpack when they're are working to make a living

Parents should take their kids to construction sites? Oh but wait if one can not afford to have a baby, how about NOT have one in the first place?!

Damn, and there was me thinking that you lived here for longer than 3 weeks already and were a little knowledgeable about Thailand.

Let me give it a try. A 6 year old can even be 6 years and 11 months, so the baby probably was decided on about 8 years ago. In the past 8 years many things have happened in Thailand, and not for the better.

For example when I built my house 3 years ago, which was at the same time as the big floods, I had a sub contractor who had just lost everything he owned because of that disaster. So he was happy he could work and sleep at the construction site with his whole family, because the home he owned a few months earlier simply wasn't there anymore.

All the construction workers live at the construction site with all their possessions together with their children.

I guess the company doesn't pay for creches and kindergartens.

[Morden]

You're right, parents should carry their children on their back like a backpack when they're are working to make a living

Parents should take their kids to construction sites? Oh but wait if one can not afford to have a baby, how about NOT have one in the first place?!

dam_n, and there was me thinking that you lived here for longer than 3 weeks already and were a little knowledgeable about Thailand.

Let me give it a try. A 6 year old can even be 6 years and 11 months, so the baby probably was decided on about 8 years ago. In the past 8 years many things have happened in Thailand, and not for the better.

For example when I built my house 3 years ago, which was at the same time as the big floods, I had a sub contractor who had just lost everything he owned because of that disaster. So he was happy he could work and sleep at the construction site with his whole family, because the home he owned a few months earlier simply wasn't there anymore.

All the construction workers live at the construction site with all their possessions together with their children.

I guess the company doesn't pay for creches and kindergartens.

Thanks for exposing some of the ignorance on this thread about Thailand.