FTA meeting Tapei Gate

[femi fan]

No, actually im pretty positive that my girlfriend is correct. These people look like they have been bussed in from their farms and villages. Someone is paying them to demonstrate. She said these kind of people wont get organized and gather like this. And she said these kind of people wont keep up with politics like this in their farms and villegas. I have ti side with her... Go ahead and ask your "middle class " or poor class thai to explain the FTA to you.

Sent from my GT-I9500

Middle class never did demos, anywhere, unless they're at a uni, and that was many years ago. Married people don't do demos anywhere. Most people don't, they just look as far as the bottom of their own noses.

Kudos to anyone, even if they've been paid, to come demonstrate. Someone has to try and stop the murderous actions of the fatcats and their corporations.

The farmers would in fact be the first to know about any impending disruptions to their way of life. Such 'news' is not normally worthy of news in the mainstream media, so no-one else will know, and would be unlikely to care anyway.

I think it was columbia which had massive protests recently, against the same hijacking of their food production and supply by western corporations, mainly american ones.

Could you tell me what kind of people will get organised and gather together, in thailand or anywhere?

[elektrified]

As much as I dislike Microsoft, and do fine using Chrome; I would estimate Thailand's government, corporations, schools, and citizens owe it about 10 Billion USD for stealing their intellectual property. I'm sure PFE would have some legitimate complaints, also. Intellectual property is a very tough concept for a country whose greatest invention has been baby laxative laced "energy drinks." Long live the Z-rox machine!

Thailand is VERY bad at stealing intellectual property rights. I own intellectual property and it kills me to see what they do here. But some things -- like generic drugs for example, I cut some slack as the prices big pharma charge to factor in R&D are ridiculous. Also many of these drugs have come off patent already so all is fair. I own shares in 2 of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world and I don't have a problem in regard to generics being supplied to patients. I use them myself. But I do have a problem with regard to downloading copyrighted material. But my voice is in the minority these days...

[Thighlander]

If you don't like what the west is offering; by all means, get your meds and food from China.

[Baloo22]

Sickening, truly sickening. The rich - european and american - corporations messing with people's health everywhere. Buying off politicians in developing and third world nations one by one, so they get more markets for their pills and foods, and local people lose their access to cheap drugs and their own food independence.

Why people still come to these forums with their tired old crap about hiring 'ignorant' farmers and so on to demonstrate, and sneering at the whole system here is beyond me. Their livelihoods are at stake, threatened by the mass-murdering western corporations who don't give a stuff about people dying in their hundreds of thousands around the world so long as they get their gargantuan profits.

I hope the thai politicians resist the bribery coming their way from these murderous corporations, and protect their people's right to cheap drugs and their own food production and supply.

But if the EU fail this time, it's probably only a matter of time with this AEC coming into being.

People all over the world have to protect their drugs and food from these greedy amoral corporations who won't stop until they control the whole world's food and drug supply.

Just check out codex alimentarius if this sounds over-the-top. Everything that happens like this proves that codex is spreading like a sick plague.

What is truly sickening is way some people like to spout-off ignorant crap like "rich - european and american - corporations messing with people's health everywhere" and "people's right to cheap drugs". It would be nice if such people would actually stop to think things through first. But that's harder than throwing out slogans.

Most of these drugs take thousands of hours of research, lab testing, and then field testing by highly trained/educated research scientists and technicians. Those people do happen to want to be paid for their work. And with their skills and education levels, they don't come cheap. A lot of the laboratory supplies, instruments, and other items can also cost quite a bit. Who is going to pay for all that?

Also, many times, thousand of hours of work is performed by these same highly-skilled and educated people on chemical compounds/substances that do not end up working out as a suitable medication. Sometimes it just doesn't have the necessary effect or it may have the desired effect but also come with too many or too dangerous side-effects. But those scientists/technicians still have to be paid for those thousands of hours of work. Who is going to pay for that?

I do have a solution for Thais that do not want to pay the patent holders from other nations the cost for the research, development, testing, and production of these drugs. The Thai people can, instead, rely on Thai intellectual and scientific prowess to research and develop their medications. Then they would not have to rely on foreign-developed medications. That is truly a fine solution!!

[cmsally]

Counterfeit and generic are not the same. We are talking about generic medicines here not counterfeit ones.

http://www.msfaccess.org/content/counterfeit-substandard-and-generic-drugs

[femi fan]

Sickening, truly sickening. The rich - european and american - corporations messing with people's health everywhere. Buying off politicians in developing and third world nations one by one, so they get more markets for their pills and foods, and local people lose their access to cheap drugs and their own food independence.

Why people still come to these forums with their tired old crap about hiring 'ignorant' farmers and so on to demonstrate, and sneering at the whole system here is beyond me. Their livelihoods are at stake, threatened by the mass-murdering western corporations who don't give a stuff about people dying in their hundreds of thousands around the world so long as they get their gargantuan profits.

I hope the thai politicians resist the bribery coming their way from these murderous corporations, and protect their people's right to cheap drugs and their own food production and supply.

But if the EU fail this time, it's probably only a matter of time with this AEC coming into being.

People all over the world have to protect their drugs and food from these greedy amoral corporations who won't stop until they control the whole world's food and drug supply.

Just check out codex alimentarius if this sounds over-the-top. Everything that happens like this proves that codex is spreading like a sick plague.

What is truly sickening is way some people like to spout-off ignorant crap like "rich - european and american - corporations messing with people's health everywhere" and "people's right to cheap drugs". It would be nice if such people would actually stop to think things through first. But that's harder than throwing out slogans.

Most of these drugs take thousands of hours of research, lab testing, and then field testing by highly trained/educated research scientists and technicians. Those people do happen to want to be paid for their work. And with their skills and education levels, they don't come cheap. A lot of the laboratory supplies, instruments, and other items can also cost quite a bit. Who is going to pay for all that?

Also, many times, thousand of hours of work is performed by these same highly-skilled and educated people on chemical compounds/substances that do not end up working out as a suitable medication. Sometimes it just doesn't have the necessary effect or it may have the desired effect but also come with too many or too dangerous side-effects. But those scientists/technicians still have to be paid for those thousands of hours of work. Who is going to pay for that?

I do have a solution for Thais that do not want to pay the patent holders from other nations the cost for the research, development, testing, and production of these drugs. The Thai people can, instead, rely on Thai intellectual and scientific prowess to research and develop their medications. Then they would not have to rely on foreign-developed medications. That is truly a fine solution!!

You sir, are brainwashed. I've done plenty of thinking, and hundreds or thousands of hours of research on issues like this. It's you who is talking through ignorance of what these corporations do, why they do it, and how they do it.

[Baloo22]

Sickening, truly sickening. The rich - european and american - corporations messing with people's health everywhere. Buying off politicians in developing and third world nations one by one, so they get more markets for their pills and foods, and local people lose their access to cheap drugs and their own food independence.

Why people still come to these forums with their tired old crap about hiring 'ignorant' farmers and so on to demonstrate, and sneering at the whole system here is beyond me. Their livelihoods are at stake, threatened by the mass-murdering western corporations who don't give a stuff about people dying in their hundreds of thousands around the world so long as they get their gargantuan profits.

I hope the thai politicians resist the bribery coming their way from these murderous corporations, and protect their people's right to cheap drugs and their own food production and supply.

But if the EU fail this time, it's probably only a matter of time with this AEC coming into being.

People all over the world have to protect their drugs and food from these greedy amoral corporations who won't stop until they control the whole world's food and drug supply.

Just check out codex alimentarius if this sounds over-the-top. Everything that happens like this proves that codex is spreading like a sick plague.

What is truly sickening is way some people like to spout-off ignorant crap like "rich - european and american - corporations messing with people's health everywhere" and "people's right to cheap drugs". It would be nice if such people would actually stop to think things through first. But that's harder than throwing out slogans.

Most of these drugs take thousands of hours of research, lab testing, and then field testing by highly trained/educated research scientists and technicians. Those people do happen to want to be paid for their work. And with their skills and education levels, they don't come cheap. A lot of the laboratory supplies, instruments, and other items can also cost quite a bit. Who is going to pay for all that?

Also, many times, thousand of hours of work is performed by these same highly-skilled and educated people on chemical compounds/substances that do not end up working out as a suitable medication. Sometimes it just doesn't have the necessary effect or it may have the desired effect but also come with too many or too dangerous side-effects. But those scientists/technicians still have to be paid for those thousands of hours of work. Who is going to pay for that?

I do have a solution for Thais that do not want to pay the patent holders from other nations the cost for the research, development, testing, and production of these drugs. The Thai people can, instead, rely on Thai intellectual and scientific prowess to research and develop their medications. Then they would not have to rely on foreign-developed medications. That is truly a fine solution!!

You sir, are brainwashed. I've done plenty of thinking, and hundreds or thousands of hours of research on issues like this. It's you who is talking through ignorance of what these corporations do, why they do it, and how they do it.

So how many life-saving new medical drugs have you developed?? Are you leading the great scientific minds of Thailand in the research and development of new medical drugs??

You see, one thing that I do know that "these corporations" do is actually research, develop, and produce vital new medical drugs. They actually produce these useful items. The "brainwashed" people are the ones that do not produce those useful items but instead loudly shout the tired propaganda of "mass-murdering western corporations", etc, etc.

[Loaded]

Pharmaceutical companies control US government health-care policy. Most Americans cannot afford even basic health care without expensive health insurance policies. This does not benefit anyone except the pharmaceutical companies and the politicians. The US spends trillions of dollars on war, billions on bailing out criminal bankers but allows a health care system that exploits its people. Its priorities are wrong. It seems obscene to me.

Thailand provides universal 30-baht health-care for its citizens. It allows generic copies of medicines to be sold at cheap prices. I see nothing wrong in Thais fighting to preserve what they have. It keeps many thousands of Thais alive. Thailand is a role model for the US.

[Dante99]

Yeah, Yeah. Right! Right! Right! Loaded for president!!

Good points, got to be some twisted brains pulling the strings in the US.

[Loaded]

Yeah, Yeah. Right! Right! Right! Loaded for president!!

Good points, got to be some twisted brains pulling the strings in the US.

Thanks. I've also been nominated for head of Immigration today.

[femi fan]

Baloo...

In addition to what loaded said in reply to your posts...

"You see, one thing that I do know that "these corporations" do is actually research, develop, and produce vital new medical drugs."

No often they are not vital new drugs, but in fact drugs that kill people, or at best make them worse than before.

But you are so far from understanding what is really going on i suspect reading something like that will trip your system and you'll just shut your ears. If that's not the case, then get researching to see how the american drug system does way more harm than good, and that the main idea is big profits for the vested interests, those corporations you like so much.

If you'd like somewhere to start, why don't you look into the vast gigantic sums of money they make from statins, and also look into the side effects that people experience from these drugs. And all they needed to do was eat the right foods and do some minimal exercise.

I don't mean to be rude, but you have no idea about the reality of the american (and european) pharmaceutical companies and what their real agenda is. Literally they are murderers.

[sustento]

Generic drugs are those that have come off patent and can be manufactured by anyone. They're widely used in the NHS in the UK and have nothing to do with counterfeit drugs.

[cmsally]

This article explains fairly clearly.

http://www.oxfamblogs.org/asia/diagnosis-eu-asean-free-trade-agreement-unacceptable/

[Thighlander]

Baloo...

In addition to what loaded said in reply to your posts...

"You see, one thing that I do know that "these corporations" do is actually research, develop, and produce vital new medical drugs."

No often they are not vital new drugs, but in fact drugs that kill people, or at best make them worse than before.

But you are so far from understanding what is really going on i suspect reading something like that will trip your system and you'll just shut your ears. If that's not the case, then get researching to see how the american drug system does way more harm than good, and that the main idea is big profits for the vested interests, those corporations you like so much.

If you'd like somewhere to start, why don't you look into the vast gigantic sums of money they make from statins, and also look into the side effects that people experience from these drugs. And all they needed to do was eat the right foods and do some minimal exercise.

I don't mean to be rude, but you have no idea about the reality of the american (and european) pharmaceutical companies and what their real agenda is. Literally they are murderers.

Then don't take their medicine. Without the Pharmaceutical Companies, our life expectancies would be decades less. If they are so profitable, then buy shares and donate the money to your dirt friends (soap, razor blades, rent); I'm sure they need it, because they sure as Hell can't seem to earn an honest living. Tattoos and circus pants......sheesh.

[cmsally]

An interesting article that discusses costs/research/innovation of new drugs

http://www.bmj.com/content/345/bmj.e4348?ijkey=Y1g4ZVUImIbtXOI&keytype=ref

[Baloo22]

Baloo...

In addition to what loaded said in reply to your posts...

"You see, one thing that I do know that "these corporations" do is actually research, develop, and produce vital new medical drugs."

No often they are not vital new drugs, but in fact drugs that kill people, or at best make them worse than before.

But you are so far from understanding what is really going on i suspect reading something like that will trip your system and you'll just shut your ears. If that's not the case, then get researching to see how the american drug system does way more harm than good, and that the main idea is big profits for the vested interests, those corporations you like so much.

If you'd like somewhere to start, why don't you look into the vast gigantic sums of money they make from statins, and also look into the side effects that people experience from these drugs. And all they needed to do was eat the right foods and do some minimal exercise.

I don't mean to be rude, but you have no idea about the reality of the american (and european) pharmaceutical companies and what their real agenda is. Literally they are murderers.

I used to work at a college in the US and ended up hearing the same type of extreme whacky-doodle left-wing fantasies for a long time. Everything the "terrible, horrible, corporations" do or produce is evil!! Right up to the time that Ms. or Mr. Im-So-Progressive want or need those items. Then they have no problem buying or using the products of the evil corporations. It's nothing new to me.

Many of the chemicals/substances that have great use in health care have side effects of various severity. Even plain salt is essential to life but too much of it can cause health problems. Penicillin has saved a huge number of lives but for some it is deadly. Modern immunizations are incredibly effective and important in public health today, but for every immunization there is a certain portion of the population that has severe and sometimes deadly reactions. It would be wise for you to actually start thinking some of this through instead of just repeating far-left "evil corporations" propaganda.

Most of those students that I speak of were brainwashed with left-wing tripe for just a short time. What happened to them? In short; They grew up and started thinking for themselves.

[femi fan]

Baloo, like i said, you would be no ears. It's your lookout.

[femi fan]

But at least there are people in thailand looking out for their own interests. I hope they succeed. If the american pharmaceutical corporations would just keep themselves to affecting those in their own country it wouldn't be so bad, but they do insist on exporting their dangerous drugs to others.

Same with their foods.

They should stick to their borders for the sake of the health of the rest of us.

[femi fan]

This article explains fairly clearly.

http://www.oxfamblogs.org/asia/diagnosis-eu-asean-free-trade-agreement-unacceptable/

Yes. And it illustrates well the influence that corporations have on western governments and rule. Too much. Their whole agenda is profit, at the expense of the health and harmony of citizens.

I hope Thailand and ASEAN reject their criminal demands.

[femi fan]

Then don't take their medicine. Without the Pharmaceutical Companies, our life expectancies would be decades less. If they are so profitable, then buy shares and donate the money to your dirt friends (soap, razor blades, rent); I'm sure they need it, because they sure as Hell can't seem to earn an honest living. Tattoos and circus pants......sheesh.

I won't and don't take their medicines. They're dangerous to one's health in the main. Their whole approach is symptom-based, and never addresses the causes.

You are wrong to say that about life expectancy. Anyway, if you're taking heaps of pills, what's your life quality like??

What is dirt friends? What are tattoos and circus plants?

[sustento]

Then don't take their medicine. Without the Pharmaceutical Companies, our life expectancies would be decades less. If they are so profitable, then buy shares and donate the money to your dirt friends (soap, razor blades, rent); I'm sure they need it, because they sure as Hell can't seem to earn an honest living. Tattoos and circus pants......sheesh.

I won't and don't take their medicines. They're dangerous to one's health in the main. Their whole approach is symptom-based, and never addresses the causes.

Tell that to a diabetic on insulin or someone with Ulcerative Colitis or Crone's disease.

[heybruce]

Sickening, truly sickening. The rich - european and american - corporations messing with people's health everywhere. Buying off politicians in developing and third world nations one by one, so they get more markets for their pills and foods, and local people lose their access to cheap drugs and their own food independence.

Why people still come to these forums with their tired old crap about hiring 'ignorant' farmers and so on to demonstrate, and sneering at the whole system here is beyond me. Their livelihoods are at stake, threatened by the mass-murdering western corporations who don't give a stuff about people dying in their hundreds of thousands around the world so long as they get their gargantuan profits.

I hope the thai politicians resist the bribery coming their way from these murderous corporations, and protect their people's right to cheap drugs and their own food production and supply.

But if the EU fail this time, it's probably only a matter of time with this AEC coming into being.

People all over the world have to protect their drugs and food from these greedy amoral corporations who won't stop until they control the whole world's food and drug supply.

Just check out codex alimentarius if this sounds over-the-top. Everything that happens like this proves that codex is spreading like a sick plague.

What is truly sickening is way some people like to spout-off ignorant crap like "rich - european and american - corporations messing with people's health everywhere" and "people's right to cheap drugs". It would be nice if such people would actually stop to think things through first. But that's harder than throwing out slogans.

Most of these drugs take thousands of hours of research, lab testing, and then field testing by highly trained/educated research scientists and technicians. Those people do happen to want to be paid for their work. And with their skills and education levels, they don't come cheap. A lot of the laboratory supplies, instruments, and other items can also cost quite a bit. Who is going to pay for all that?

Also, many times, thousand of hours of work is performed by these same highly-skilled and educated people on chemical compounds/substances that do not end up working out as a suitable medication. Sometimes it just doesn't have the necessary effect or it may have the desired effect but also come with too many or too dangerous side-effects. But those scientists/technicians still have to be paid for those thousands of hours of work. Who is going to pay for that?

I do have a solution for Thais that do not want to pay the patent holders from other nations the cost for the research, development, testing, and production of these drugs. The Thai people can, instead, rely on Thai intellectual and scientific prowess to research and develop their medications. Then they would not have to rely on foreign-developed medications. That is truly a fine solution!!

You sir, are brainwashed. I've done plenty of thinking, and hundreds or thousands of hours of research on issues like this. It's you who is talking through ignorance of what these corporations do, why they do it, and how they do it.

Fifty weeks of fourty hours of research a week would be two thousand hours of research. Have you really done months or years of full time research on these topics? If so, why? What do you think you will accomplish?

By the way, my father had type I diabetes and would have died in his early teens were it not for daily injections of insulin. I don't think the drug industry is lead by saints, but I'm glad we have access to modern medicines.

[elektrified]

Literally they are murderers.

Sorry that is taking it a step too far. I understand where you are coming from but thank God for medicines produced in the USA and Europe. And most if not all of the generics produced in Thailand are of drugs that have come off patent and are manufactured legally.

[femi fan]

Then don't take their medicine. Without the Pharmaceutical Companies, our life expectancies would be decades less. If they are so profitable, then buy shares and donate the money to your dirt friends (soap, razor blades, rent); I'm sure they need it, because they sure as Hell can't seem to earn an honest living. Tattoos and circus pants......sheesh.

I won't and don't take their medicines. They're dangerous to one's health in the main. Their whole approach is symptom-based, and never addresses the causes.

Tell that to a diabetic on insulin or someone with Ulcerative Colitis or Crone's disease.

Easy. Plenty of non-pill alternatives. There did used to be medicine in the world before the pill-obsessed american and european version came along, although many people don't seem to have considered this possibility. Even in america and europe. America used to be a thriving herbal medicine nation. Germany still is mainly because their laws allow it. In america the big pharma corporations have done a great job in snuffing the herbal medical options out.

But the real problem with our system is that we wait till the horse has bolted from the stable because our education is so woefully lacking. We don't need to get diabetes or cancer or whatever other name you want to produce, we just need to take basic steps to prevent ourselves from getting all these nasty afflictions. Diabetes or cancer is not an accident, it's the result of the choices one makes in life. But of course, if one is not informed, how can one make the right choices?

But that would of course seriously dent the gigantic profit-making machine of big pharma in those 'developed' and 'civlised' nations who come over to countries like thailand and try to railroad through 'free' trade agreements and thereby spread their pills of misery on everybody else.

It's a human disgrace, and it's american and european pharma.

[femi fan]

Fifty weeks of fourty hours of research a week would be two thousand hours of research. Have you really done months or years of full time research on these topics? If so, why? What do you think you will accomplish?

By the way, my father had type I diabetes and would have died in his early teens were it not for daily injections of insulin. I don't think the drug industry is lead by saints, but I'm glad we have access to modern medicines.

A minimum of ten hours a week for five years now. Many weeks it's been more.

For very good reasons. Firstly to fix a health problem of my own that mainstream doctors and specialists couldn't. Secondly to lead a healthy life out of the hands of the doctors and their pills. Increasingly many people are taking this option in life.

And thirdly i never set out to do that at all. It just happened that way as i discovered more and more bullshit we've been spun, and how lacking our education system is so that we could all make the right choices to live our lives with greater quality and quantity.

And i have accomplished a lot thanks!

It's a con that diabetics need insulin. You can take foods and herbs and gradually come of the insulin, never to need it again. But even better is to avoid getting diabetes in the first place. If people knew how it came about they could easily prevent it happening to them.

Modern medicines do their job, sometimes, but quality of life and cures are not their remit, nor their agenda.

[femi fan]

Literally they are murderers.

Sorry that is taking it a step too far. I understand where you are coming from but thank God for medicines produced in the USA and Europe. And most if not all of the generics produced in Thailand are of drugs that have come off patent and are manufactured legally.

Well, for a few years now prescribed drugs in america have listed at number four in the leading causes of death to americans.

More recently it has reached #1 in the list.

So how literal do you want it to be?

Yes, pills work, some of them, and for some health problems. But they only deal with symptoms and never with cures. Why should we accept these pills as our default system when we could instead pursue cures? Or, would you believe it, preventing getting these health problems in the first place?

Why won't they educate us about it all?

[sustento]

Then don't take their medicine. Without the Pharmaceutical Companies, our life expectancies would be decades less. If they are so profitable, then buy shares and donate the money to your dirt friends (soap, razor blades, rent); I'm sure they need it, because they sure as Hell can't seem to earn an honest living. Tattoos and circus pants......sheesh.

I won't and don't take their medicines. They're dangerous to one's health in the main. Their whole approach is symptom-based, and never addresses the causes.

Tell that to a diabetic on insulin or someone with Ulcerative Colitis or Crone's disease.

Easy. Plenty of non-pill alternatives. There did used to be medicine in the world before the pill-obsessed american and european version came along, although many people don't seem to have considered this possibility.

Do you actually know what diabetes, ulcerative colitis or Crone's disease are?

[sustento]

Fifty weeks of fourty hours of research a week would be two thousand hours of research. Have you really done months or years of full time research on these topics? If so, why? What do you think you will accomplish?

By the way, my father had type I diabetes and would have died in his early teens were it not for daily injections of insulin. I don't think the drug industry is lead by saints, but I'm glad we have access to modern medicines.

It's a con that diabetics need insulin. You can take foods and herbs and gradually come of the insulin, never to need it again. But even better is to avoid getting diabetes in the first place. If people knew how it came about they could easily prevent it happening to them.

Does that apply to type one diabetics whose bodies aren't actually able to produce insulin in the first place? Every post you make displays your profound lack of knowledge.

[Dante99]

Literally they are murderers.

Sorry that is taking it a step too far. I understand where you are coming from but thank God for medicines produced in the USA and Europe. And most if not all of the generics produced in Thailand are of drugs that have come off patent and are manufactured legally.

Well, for a few years now prescribed drugs in america have listed at number four in the leading causes of death to americans.

More recently it has reached #1 in the list.

So how literal do you want it to be?

Yes, pills work, some of them, and for some health problems. But they only deal with symptoms and never with cures. Why should we accept these pills as our default system when we could instead pursue cures? Or, would you believe it, preventing getting these health problems in the first place?

Why won't they educate us about it all?

Interesting, can you please provide a source for the information about prescribed drugs being the number 1 or 4 cause of death for Americans. I really would like to read more about that. Thanks.

[heybruce]

Fifty weeks of fourty hours of research a week would be two thousand hours of research. Have you really done months or years of full time research on these topics? If so, why? What do you think you will accomplish?

By the way, my father had type I diabetes and would have died in his early teens were it not for daily injections of insulin. I don't think the drug industry is lead by saints, but I'm glad we have access to modern medicines.

A minimum of ten hours a week for five years now. Many weeks it's been more.

For very good reasons. Firstly to fix a health problem of my own that mainstream doctors and specialists couldn't. Secondly to lead a healthy life out of the hands of the doctors and their pills. Increasingly many people are taking this option in life.

And thirdly i never set out to do that at all. It just happened that way as i discovered more and more bullshit we've been spun, and how lacking our education system is so that we could all make the right choices to live our lives with greater quality and quantity.

And i have accomplished a lot thanks!

It's a con that diabetics need insulin. You can take foods and herbs and gradually come of the insulin, never to need it again. But even better is to avoid getting diabetes in the first place. If people knew how it came about they could easily prevent it happening to them.

Modern medicines do their job, sometimes, but quality of life and cures are not their remit, nor their agenda.

Hundreds or thousands of hours of research and you are still profuoundly ignorant. Type 1 diabetes is a genetic condition that can't be cured with herbs, though I have no doubt you are willing encourage others to adopt a lethal alternative cure rather than admit you are wrong.