webfact Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Fraud charges dropped against firm hired to build police stationsKesinee TaengkhiaoThe NationBANGKOK: -- A firm that failed to construct new police-station facilities under a government project will not be facing criminal charges, if the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) does not object to the public prosecutors' decision.A highly-placed source at the Office of the Attorney General said yesterday that the office's Department of Special Litigation had decided not to pursue the criminal case against PCC Development and Construction Co Ltd and its executives."According to the office, there is no evidence of bidding collusion. The successful bid price is not too low," the source said.The source added that PCC Development and Construction was also found to have strictly complied with bidding regulations and had entered various rounds of bidding before finally winning the project.The Department of Special Litigation chief also found that the firm's failure to pay its sub-contractors only constituted a civil offence, the source said."It doesn't qualify as fraud because there is no evidence that the PCC intended not to pay. It has handled many big projects before," the source said, "This case has more to do with a breach of contracts."Nantasak Poolsak, the incoming chief of the Department of Special Litigation, yesterday refused to comment on the case."I've just taken up this post and have not yet seen the investigation report," he said.The DSI previously found PCC Development and Construction guilty of fraud and bidding collusion.If the DSI does not agree with the Department of Special Litigation's decision, it will have to appeal to the Attorney General.-- The Nation 2013-10-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RickeyParkany Posted October 15, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted October 15, 2013 ** It doesn't qualify as fraud because there is no evidence that the PCC intended not to pay. It has handled many big projects before," the source said, "This case has more to do with a breach of contracts." ** ...and, since it is a government contract...ahem ...will they seek to enforce the contract? *A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse!* ;-} rap. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soi41 Posted October 15, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted October 15, 2013 So stealing, cheating and lying is just normal procedure, when doing business in Thailand?? Oh, I forgot they are family ! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Too murky to be continued with ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Noistar Posted October 15, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted October 15, 2013 Does it just seem to be a conveyor belt of criminal charges being dropped? Next case please 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angsta Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Surely this is from Not The Nation? Comedy gold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A1Str8 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Why the hell would they pursue the criminal case when it was just another scheme to steal millions by high ranking sluts who are supposed to get away with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post waza Posted October 15, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted October 15, 2013 Tarit from the DSI was all hot about this fraud case when he thought he could pin it on the Dems... "Tarit said the project was a serious crime with premeditated plotting and abuse of authority, and that DSI investigators would next week summon former national police chiefs General Patcharawat Wongsuwan, General Prateep Tanprasert and General Wichean Potephosree and later Democrat MP Suthep Thaugsuban." But then....... The police-station construction fiasco is back in the limelight as the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) announced last week that it was launching a graft probe into the issue. The commission has set up a committee led by Commissioner Wicha Mahakun to look into dealings involving five individuals, including then-prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his deputy Suthep Thaugsuban. The case was previously handled by the Department of Special Investigation (DSI), which comes under state jurisdiction, and many said the government was using it to attack the opposition - mainly the Democrats" The finger of blame started to point at several Thaksin proxy administrations and the beloved BIB, so now its all good, no fraud to see here. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLew Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 So where is the money for the new police stations? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesWideOpen Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Must be pretty cool to be a high ranking government official, or a well placed connected businessman here in Thailand. Because it seems that no matter what you do in terms of corruption, even when you are caught nothing will ever happen to you as far as legal punishment. Wait a minute .......... I just had a flash of insight . Maybe that is why there is so much corruption here !!!!! With so many people stealing from the government, it certainly must be hard for one group of thieves to be pointing the finger of blame at another group of thieves... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 so next question, have they accounted for all the money that was already spent on this project that PCC didn't receive - most likely the reason the work came to a halt - I think we can assume this investigation came to an abrupt ending when the missing money trail was leading elseware 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTao Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Does it just seem to be a conveyor belt of criminal charges being dropped? Next case please When will the office get around to the charges against the oppostion leader and any others that are facing charges that may be seen as politically motivated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 (edited) so next question, have they accounted for all the money that was already spent on this project that PCC didn't receive - most likely the reason the work came to a halt - I think we can assume this investigation came to an abrupt ending when the missing money trail was leading elseware PCC have received approx 1.5billion baht which equals what they say they have paid out on work completed. The 5. 85 billion baht contract was then cancelled by the police who were concerned with the "slow pace of building" "Police spokesman Piya Uthayo said the bureau had the right to cancel the contract because the police logistics office and regional committees had reported that the contractor had failed to meet the completion deadline." http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Police-cancel-contract-with-PCC-30204203.html The PCC are now looking to sue the police for cancelling the contract, the Civil case that is mentioned by the DSI. "Pol Lt-Colonel Santana Prayoonrat, adviser to PCC Development and Construction executive Pibul Udomsithikul, said the company would sue the Royal Thai Police if the agency cancelled the Bt5.848-billion contract for the building of 396 police stations nationwide." http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/PCC-to-sue-police-if-Bt5-8-bn-contract-cancelled-30204087.html The PCC hasn't drawn down any more money from the contract: At a press conference held at the St Regis Hotel in Bangkok, Santhana said the public had not learned all the facts about the case as some information had not been revealed. He said, for example, that the firm had drawn down Bt1.532 billion to cover construction costs, which was about 26 per cent of the budget, and most of it (25 per cent of the full budget) had been allocated to construction in the regions. Hence, the amount of work already done was equal to the amount of money the firm had already received. The company had also had to use money from its own pockets to get parts of the project done, hence the RTP also owed it at least Bt73 million. Some 73.8 per cent of the project budget, or about Bt4.3 billion, has not yet been touched, he added. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/PCC-to-sue-police-if-Bt5-8-bn-contract-cancelled-30204087.html So now we know where the money is. Sorry to disappoint those posters determined to find corruption at every corner. Though I'm sure you'll find some way that the Shinawatra family and the PTP will spirit the 4.3 billion baht away and hope that nobody notices 396 missing police stations Edited October 15, 2013 by fab4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waza Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 so next question, have they accounted for all the money that was already spent on this project that PCC didn't receive - most likely the reason the work came to a halt - I think we can assume this investigation came to an abrupt ending when the missing money trail was leading elseware PCC have received approx 1.5billion baht which equals what they say they have paid out on work completed. The 5. 85 billion baht contract was then cancelled by the police who were concerned with the "slow pace of building" "Police spokesman Piya Uthayo said the bureau had the right to cancel the contract because the police logistics office and regional committees had reported that the contractor had failed to meet the completion deadline." http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Police-cancel-contract-with-PCC-30204203.html The PCC are now looking to sue the police for cancelling the contract, the Civil case that is mentioned by the DSI. "Pol Lt-Colonel Santana Prayoonrat, adviser to PCC Development and Construction executive Pibul Udomsithikul, said the company would sue the Royal Thai Police if the agency cancelled the Bt5.848-billion contract for the building of 396 police stations nationwide." http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/PCC-to-sue-police-if-Bt5-8-bn-contract-cancelled-30204087.html The PCC hasn't drawn down any more money from the contract: At a press conference held at the St Regis Hotel in Bangkok, Santhana said the public had not learned all the facts about the case as some information had not been revealed. He said, for example, that the firm had drawn down Bt1.532 billion to cover construction costs, which was about 26 per cent of the budget, and most of it (25 per cent of the full budget) had been allocated to construction in the regions. Hence, the amount of work already done was equal to the amount of money the firm had already received. The company had also had to use money from its own pockets to get parts of the project done, hence the RTP also owed it at least Bt73 million. Some 73.8 per cent of the project budget, or about Bt4.3 billion, has not yet been touched, he added. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/PCC-to-sue-police-if-Bt5-8-bn-contract-cancelled-30204087.html So now we know where the money is. Sorry to disappoint those posters determined to find corruption at every corner. Though I'm sure you'll find some way that the Shinawatra family and the PTP will spirit the 4.3 billion baht away and hope that nobody notices 396 missing police stations So it wasnt Abihist and Suthep like Thaksins lap dog Tarit claimed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 so next question, have they accounted for all the money that was already spent on this project that PCC didn't receive - most likely the reason the work came to a halt - I think we can assume this investigation came to an abrupt ending when the missing money trail was leading elseware PCC have received approx 1.5billion baht which equals what they say they have paid out on work completed. The 5. 85 billion baht contract was then cancelled by the police who were concerned with the "slow pace of building" "Police spokesman Piya Uthayo said the bureau had the right to cancel the contract because the police logistics office and regional committees had reported that the contractor had failed to meet the completion deadline." http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Police-cancel-contract-with-PCC-30204203.html The PCC are now looking to sue the police for cancelling the contract, the Civil case that is mentioned by the DSI. "Pol Lt-Colonel Santana Prayoonrat, adviser to PCC Development and Construction executive Pibul Udomsithikul, said the company would sue the Royal Thai Police if the agency cancelled the Bt5.848-billion contract for the building of 396 police stations nationwide." http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/PCC-to-sue-police-if-Bt5-8-bn-contract-cancelled-30204087.html The PCC hasn't drawn down any more money from the contract: At a press conference held at the St Regis Hotel in Bangkok, Santhana said the public had not learned all the facts about the case as some information had not been revealed. He said, for example, that the firm had drawn down Bt1.532 billion to cover construction costs, which was about 26 per cent of the budget, and most of it (25 per cent of the full budget) had been allocated to construction in the regions. Hence, the amount of work already done was equal to the amount of money the firm had already received. The company had also had to use money from its own pockets to get parts of the project done, hence the RTP also owed it at least Bt73 million. Some 73.8 per cent of the project budget, or about Bt4.3 billion, has not yet been touched, he added. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/PCC-to-sue-police-if-Bt5-8-bn-contract-cancelled-30204087.html So now we know where the money is. Sorry to disappoint those posters determined to find corruption at every corner. Though I'm sure you'll find some way that the Shinawatra family and the PTP will spirit the 4.3 billion baht away and hope that nobody notices 396 missing police stations what you are saying is fair enough if you actually could believe any of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tragickingdom Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 It might not have intended not to pay, but they knew they could only pay Suthep when they got the contract. It is as good as the Bangkok hopewell contract that the DP people awarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post billd766 Posted October 15, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted October 15, 2013 (edited) It might not have intended not to pay, but they knew they could only pay Suthep when they got the contract. It is as good as the Bangkok hopewell contract that the DP people awarded. If you had done a little research you would have found that the Hopewell project was started in 1990 Wikipedia ref http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangkok_Elevated_Road_and_Train_System If you then did a Google search for Prime Ministers of Thailand from 1932, also on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_Thailand You would have found that the PM at the time was General Chatichai Choonhavan of the Chart Thai Party and sadly for you the Democrats were not elected until September 1992 nearly 2 years after the project had started. So your hypotheses that it was the Democrats is up (or is it down) to your usual abysmal lack of not always knowing what you are talking about. By the way do you have any ACTUAL concrete proof that Suthep was to be the beneficiary of a bribe? Or was it yet another page from the Red Shirts little book of lies to be repeated ad nauseam until somebody believes them? Edited October 15, 2013 by billd766 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 This is the second high profile case that the AG have decided not to proceed and prosecute contrary to DSI recommendations. Can the DSI boss be "shuffled" out in the next round of moving chairs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Was there ever a doubt to the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubbaJohnny Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I think 'the envelope' would be too heavy for our postman on a 125cc,maybe this accounts for the rd closures for 'special delivery' Federal Excess or TNT Lao tekhun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 They're all jolly good chaps, and obviously innocent, the failure to deliver the project on-time clearly makes them ideal, for building the new high-speed rail-system, brown-envelopes all round ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Tarit from the DSI was all hot about this fraud case when he thought he could pin it on the Dems... "Tarit said the project was a serious crime with premeditated plotting and abuse of authority, and that DSI investigators would next week summon former national police chiefs General Patcharawat Wongsuwan, General Prateep Tanprasert and General Wichean Potephosree and later Democrat MP Suthep Thaugsuban." But then....... The police-station construction fiasco is back in the limelight as the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) announced last week that it was launching a graft probe into the issue. The commission has set up a committee led by Commissioner Wicha Mahakun to look into dealings involving five individuals, including then-prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his deputy Suthep Thaugsuban. The case was previously handled by the Department of Special Investigation (DSI), which comes under state jurisdiction, and many said the government was using it to attack the opposition - mainly the Democrats" The finger of blame started to point at several Thaksin proxy administrations and the beloved BIB, so now its all good, no fraud to see here. Dead right on that one Waza. There is also the fact that the failed PT candidate for the BKK mayor job was a key player on the committee that awarded the contract. He tried to worm out of any responsibility but the committee makeup was well documented. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusd Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 So where is the money for the new police stations? Milan..... Sent from my RM-892_apac_laos_thailand_219 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusd Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 So where is the money for the new police stations? Milan..... Sent from my RM-892_apac_laos_thailand_219 using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noistar Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Tarit from the DSI was all hot about this fraud case when he thought he could pin it on the Dems... "Tarit said the project was a serious crime with premeditated plotting and abuse of authority, and that DSI investigators would next week summon former national police chiefs General Patcharawat Wongsuwan, General Prateep Tanprasert and General Wichean Potephosree and later Democrat MP Suthep Thaugsuban." But then....... The police-station construction fiasco is back in the limelight as the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) announced last week that it was launching a graft probe into the issue. The commission has set up a committee led by Commissioner Wicha Mahakun to look into dealings involving five individuals, including then-prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his deputy Suthep Thaugsuban. The case was previously handled by the Department of Special Investigation (DSI), which comes under state jurisdiction, and many said the government was using it to attack the opposition - mainly the Democrats" The finger of blame started to point at several Thaksin proxy administrations and the beloved BIB, so now its all good, no fraud to see here. See no evil, Hear no evil, Speak no evil.No probs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Tarit from the DSI was all hot about this fraud case when he thought he could pin it on the Dems... "Tarit said the project was a serious crime with premeditated plotting and abuse of authority, and that DSI investigators would next week summon former national police chiefs General Patcharawat Wongsuwan, General Prateep Tanprasert and General Wichean Potephosree and later Democrat MP Suthep Thaugsuban." But then....... The police-station construction fiasco is back in the limelight as the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) announced last week that it was launching a graft probe into the issue. The commission has set up a committee led by Commissioner Wicha Mahakun to look into dealings involving five individuals, including then-prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his deputy Suthep Thaugsuban. The case was previously handled by the Department of Special Investigation (DSI), which comes under state jurisdiction, and many said the government was using it to attack the opposition - mainly the Democrats" The finger of blame started to point at several Thaksin proxy administrations and the beloved BIB, so now its all good, no fraud to see here. See no evil, Hear no evil, Speak no evil.No probs Unless of course it is the Democrats you are talking about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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