Is a 5 series BMW worth double the price of a top range Honda Accord?

[Skint]

The merc cla would be more comparable to the accord. The 520d is sufficient for Thailand cruising, I'd look at Audi A5 s line spec 4wd.

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[MZurf]

Only you can decide that.....

You will get many replies telling you that the prices of cars here are ridiculous and only a fool would get a car.

You will get other replies telling you that with all the taxis and public transport why bother with a car (if in BKK).

You will get other replies telling you that a pickup is a better option than a car.

You will get other replies telling you that a Japanese car is equal in quality to a European car.

And you will get other replies telling you that if you can afford greater luxury, just get what you want and enjoy.

This is purely an individual choice - If you have already made the decision to buy a sedan car then you are thinking of more than just going from A to B. You want something comfortable and perhaps other factors matter to you such as Brand.

You don't have to explain your decisions to someone else. If you can afford the 5 Series don't worry about the opinions of those who can't.

That 5 series is 4 times the price here than in Europe.

Yes, that would be the first of his points.

Plus Spoonman's statement is true for some European countries, not for others.

Oh I should also have added...

You will get other replies greatly exaggerating the cost of cars in Thailand compared to our home countries...

Example:

BMW 528i Thai Cost: THB 4,050,000 / £80,000

BMW 528i UK Cost: THB 1,984,920 / £39,335

Roughly double the cost of the UK (not 4 times).

Regarding depreciation:

A BMW 525 (E60) after 5 years in Thailand is about THB 1,600,00 (one2car.com)

New it would have been about THB 3,600,00. It looses approximately THB 400,000 per year (a loss of about 55% over 5 years).

A Honda Accord 2.4 after 5 years in Thailand is about THB 900,000

New it would have been about THB 1,600,00. It looses approximately THB 100,000 per year (a loss of about 43% over 5 years).

When comparing the two, the Honda makes far more financial sense which ever way you look at at. But if you are going to look at it that way, buy a 5 year old Toyota pickup !...

I sold my Accord recently after having if for 4 years and lost exactly 200,000 Baht per year. And I tried long and hard to get the best price possible for it.

[richard_smith237]

That 5 series is 4 times the price here than in Europe.

Yes, that would be the first of his points.

Plus Spoonman's statement is true for some European countries, not for others.

Oh I should also have added...

You will get other replies greatly exaggerating the cost of cars in Thailand compared to our home countries...

Example:

BMW 528i Thai Cost: THB 4,050,000 / £80,000

BMW 528i UK Cost: THB 1,984,920 / £39,335

Roughly double the cost of the UK (not 4 times).

Regarding depreciation:

A BMW 525 (E60) after 5 years in Thailand is about THB 1,600,00 (one2car.com)

New it would have been about THB 3,600,00. It looses approximately THB 400,000 per year (a loss of about 55% over 5 years).

A Honda Accord 2.4 after 5 years in Thailand is about THB 900,000

New it would have been about THB 1,600,00. It looses approximately THB 100,000 per year (a loss of about 43% over 5 years).

When comparing the two, the Honda makes far more financial sense which ever way you look at at. But if you are going to look at it that way, buy a 5 year old Toyota pickup !...

I sold my Accord recently after having if for 4 years and lost exactly 200,000 Baht per year. And I tried long and hard to get the best price possible for it.

That's incredible... A friend of mine had a Fortuner for 3 years. Given the Baht-GBP exchange rates he sold it after 3 years for a GBP profit.. OK not a real comparison but entertaining nonetheless. I think it depreciated very little in terms of Baht (i.e. about -200,000 over the 3 years).

Buying anything other than a Japanese car or a pickup makes no financial sense in Thailand.

However, where cars are concerned we are not sensible creatures... Isn't that why we have a forum dedicated to a lump of metal that gets us from A-B?

[I knew this would happen]

The value of the Fortuners seems to be rock solid over many years. Look at one2car.com, some 2005 Fortuners still have an asking price of about 7-800K WTH?

Wish my beloved BMW would keep it´s value the same way

Some E90 3 series already drop to 850-900k from 2.000.000+

[arkom]

 

 

I haven't driven the 520D but I have always had the suspicion it would be underpowered (like the 318i)compared to rivals. But depends how you drive I guess.

Last car I had in the UK (2008) was a 525i and like FarangTalk I thought that was great.

 

 

I have the 528i M Sport - it has twin turbos, 8 Auto Gears 0-100 kmh in 6.2 seconds (or about 5mins to forever in Bkk traffic)... 

 

I find it slightly underpowered (but I came from a 4.4 V8)... 

 

If the Op wants the diesel I would recommend he takes a look at the 525d rather than 520d.

 

When weighing up my choice the 525d was comparable to the 528i - both models significantly outweighed the 520d which in my terms appeared a little wet with regards to performance but still the interiors etc are the same (I'm not sure if the 520d has the M Sport option if desired though). 

 

 

I would go with the 525d and I just bought one and love it, I tested the 520d as well and it does seem underpowered.

 

The M-Sport package is not available on 5 series disel models, but I was able to negotiate the M Streeting and body kit on the 525d for free, as well as get a pretty decent discount.

 

 

That would have made my decision making between the 525d and 528i a little easier then !! Millennium told me that the 525d also came with the M Sport package (an option that I wanted)... It was tough deliberating between the 525d and 528i... my concern was the acceleration between gears of the 528i when compared to the addition torque of the 525d. But with 8 gears and 2 turbo's the in and between gear stats were similar so I opted for 528i M Sport. 

 

I'm kind of regretting not going for the 535 hybrid - but that was an additional 1MB+ and for that money the Merc ML and CLS come into play... 

 

Op: Have you also considered the New Merc

CLA at THB 2,640,00 ?

Technically the M Sport is available but not as a package for the diesel models, but you have to buy the everything separately. For example, if you want the body kit, M wheels and steering you need to pay for each so it would come out to about 600k extra.

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[BSJ]

I bought the 520d earlier this year.

I do not find it under powered, and I like fresh driving now and than.

The price is high (but still less than from where I come from), but as I only wanted a diesel the Honda was not an option.

It is cheap in fuel as well.

I think you would have to buy the 3,0 l Accord to mach some of the performance / quality of the 520d.

If I where to buy now, I would have a closer look at the 3 Series Hybrid at 4,2 mill and a lot of HP

Go and get a test drive.

BTW I have a almost new Cicic 2,0 for sale

Hi there, I always fall back to the facts when presented with a post like this!

The BMW 520d 135Kw 270Nm 1670Kg Power to weight ratio 12.37 to 1

Honda Accord 129Kw 226Nm 1515Kg Power to weight ratio 11.75 to 1

So the facts are the Honda has the edge over the BMW.

As for you saying it's not under-powered....well that's right, it's over weight!

My grand pappy in his later years had a Ford Galaxie with a 400ci V8. If anyone asked him how it goes the answer was "It goes like the wind"....but the funny thing is when my brothers or myself went anywhere with him he never got over 40mph! I reckon my grand pappy was alive today he would be driving a BMW 520d

[sjonburi]

The 520d has 380 nm of torque and beats the Accord in every single way (besides price ;-)

[skippybangkok]

Used to have 520d, plenty of power which I rarely got to use. Very smooth diesel and rest part is diesel is cheap.

At the end of the day your comparing and apple with an orange, both are good cars, but in a difference class

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[IMHO]

Generally speaking the locals (at least the uninsured ones) give you a little more margin on the roads with the 5 series.

You also meet a far greater quantity of trashy loose women with the bimmer. I think that might be one for either the plus or minus column.

Who drives around looking for women off the street? LOL

If you can buy a 5-Series without it feeling like the biggest purchase of your life, chances are most women you know or meet have already figured out you have money

[IMHO]

These types of threads are always funny ones here..

You're always going to get the posters who can't afford even an eco-car and complain about how expensive all cars are in Thailand.

Then you'll get the posters who managed to but a B-segment car or pickup, and think it's the best car available today, at any price.

Then you get the posters who scraped together enough finance to buy a Camry or Accord, and think it's just as good as anything twice it's price (or more).

Then you'll get the posters who owned an old BMW of Benz back home 20 years ago, have driven a recent model Camry or Accord and were impressed that after 20 years of gains in the industry, the Japs are finally a match for something from the 90's.

Then you'll get the posters who've got the means and have actually driven most new cars, laughing at the notion presented in the topic title.

[ExpatOilWorker]

I drive a BMW 523i and love it.

You will be happy with your Honda for the first year, after that is just get boring. 10 years down the road your Bimmer will still feel new and you will love it.

[Jitar]

These types of threads are always funny ones here..

You're always going to get the posters who can't afford even an eco-car and complain about how expensive all cars are in Thailand.

Then you'll get the posters who managed to but a B-segment car or pickup, and think it's the best car available today, at any price.

Then you get the posters who scraped together enough finance to buy a Camry or Accord, and think it's just as good as anything twice it's price (or more).

Then you'll get the posters who owned an old BMW of Benz back home 20 years ago, have driven a recent model Camry or Accord and were impressed that after 20 years of gains in the industry, the Japs are finally a match for something from the 90's.

Then you'll get the posters who've got the means and have actually driven most new cars, laughing at the notion presented in the topic title.

Does it work the other way around? If I absolutely piss myself, could I afford an M5?

[ExpatOilWorker]

These types of threads are always funny ones here..

You're always going to get the posters who can't afford even an eco-car and complain about how expensive all cars are in Thailand.

Then you'll get the posters who managed to but a B-segment car or pickup, and think it's the best car available today, at any price.

Then you get the posters who scraped together enough finance to buy a Camry or Accord, and think it's just as good as anything twice it's price (or more).

Then you'll get the posters who owned an old BMW of Benz back home 20 years ago, have driven a recent model Camry or Accord and were impressed that after 20 years of gains in the industry, the Japs are finally a match for something from the 90's.

Then you'll get the posters who've got the means and have actually driven most new cars, laughing at the notion presented in the topic title.

You nailed it, great post, funny too.

[richard_smith237]

These types of threads are always funny ones here..

You're always going to get the posters who can't afford even an eco-car and complain about how expensive all cars are in Thailand.

Then you'll get the posters who managed to but a B-segment car or pickup, and think it's the best car available today, at any price.

Then you get the posters who scraped together enough finance to buy a Camry or Accord, and think it's just as good as anything twice it's price (or more).

Then you'll get the posters who owned an old BMW of Benz back home 20 years ago, have driven a recent model Camry or Accord and were impressed that after 20 years of gains in the industry, the Japs are finally a match for something from the 90's.

Then you'll get the posters who've got the means and have actually driven most new cars, laughing at the notion presented in the topic title.

You nailed it, great post, funny too.

I'm not so sure... I have an F10 5 Series... I don't laugh at the others who either can't afford or don't wish to spend that much money.

I like cars... in the past I've had a sportier car and a 4x4 at the same time in Thailand - Why? because I wanted to... However, I was just being daft, owning two cars in BKK at Thai prices is rather silly.. so I got rid of the sporty car (I was also tired of grounding the nose over very bump !)...

IF someone chooses a Ford Ranger (which I quite like by the way) - I can see their logic that they don't wish to pay more. However, in BKK a pickup is not for me. If I lived in somewhere such as Kalasin, a pickup would be ideal.

IF someone chooses a Fortuner or Pajero (which I dont like at all) - I can still see their logic, a lot of car for the money and they don't compare to a Merc ML or Range Rover.

IF someone can only afford a Micro car to get their family about - I think its much better than a motorcycle.

I won't laugh at anyone else decision unless they are commenting that a Ranger, Fortuna, Pajero, Yaris etc are better than a Merc ML or CLS.. they are not... so for someone who has the money they should also have the intelligence to see how decisions are made from a different perspective. Equally so, those without the money or who differ in perspective should understand how other folk have different perspectives...

A car, much like a house, a watch or anything else we buy is a personal matter... Interesting to discuss, but to begrudge someone because they have something that I might not choose myself seems rather daft...

[IMHO]

These types of threads are always funny ones here..

You're always going to get the posters who can't afford even an eco-car and complain about how expensive all cars are in Thailand.

Then you'll get the posters who managed to but a B-segment car or pickup, and think it's the best car available today, at any price.

Then you get the posters who scraped together enough finance to buy a Camry or Accord, and think it's just as good as anything twice it's price (or more).

Then you'll get the posters who owned an old BMW of Benz back home 20 years ago, have driven a recent model Camry or Accord and were impressed that after 20 years of gains in the industry, the Japs are finally a match for something from the 90's.

Then you'll get the posters who've got the means and have actually driven most new cars, laughing at the notion presented in the topic title.

You nailed it, great post, funny too.

I'm not so sure... I have an F10 5 Series... I don't laugh at the others who either can't afford or don't wish to spend that much money.

I like cars... in the past I've had a sportier car and a 4x4 at the same time in Thailand - Why? because I wanted to... However, I was just being daft, owning two cars in BKK at Thai prices is rather silly.. so I got rid of the sporty car (I was also tired of grounding the nose over very bump !)...

IF someone chooses a Ford Ranger (which I quite like by the way) - I can see their logic that they don't wish to pay more. However, in BKK a pickup is not for me. If I lived in somewhere such as Kalasin, a pickup would be ideal.

IF someone chooses a Fortuner or Pajero (which I dont like at all) - I can still see their logic, a lot of car for the money and they don't compare to a Merc ML or Range Rover.

IF someone can only afford a Micro car to get their family about - I think its much better than a motorcycle.

I won't laugh at anyone else decision unless they are commenting that a Ranger, Fortuna, Pajero, Yaris etc are better than a Merc ML or CLS.. they are not... so for someone who has the money they should also have the intelligence to see how decisions are made from a different perspective. Equally so, those without the money or who differ in perspective should understand how other folk have different perspectives...

A car, much like a house, a watch or anything else we buy is a personal matter... Interesting to discuss, but to begrudge someone because they have something that I might not choose myself seems rather daft...

I'm yet to see any of our members with above average means belittle those with lesser means here, but I sure do see a heck of a lot of the other way around..... Most of those with better than average cars here are loath to mention it because of that - surely you've felt it too.

[BSJ]

These types of threads are always funny ones here..

You're always going to get the posters who can't afford even an eco-car and complain about how expensive all cars are in Thailand.

Then you'll get the posters who managed to but a B-segment car or pickup, and think it's the best car available today, at any price.

Then you get the posters who scraped together enough finance to buy a Camry or Accord, and think it's just as good as anything twice it's price (or more).

Then you'll get the posters who owned an old BMW of Benz back home 20 years ago, have driven a recent model Camry or Accord and were impressed that after 20 years of gains in the industry, the Japs are finally a match for something from the 90's.

Then you'll get the posters who've got the means and have actually driven most new cars, laughing at the notion presented in the topic title.

You left out the people who want to discuss the topic in the Header "

Is a 5 series BMW worth double the price of a top range Honda Accord?"

[richard_smith237]

These types of threads are always funny ones here..

You're always going to get the posters who can't afford even an eco-car and complain about how expensive all cars are in Thailand.

Then you'll get the posters who managed to but a B-segment car or pickup, and think it's the best car available today, at any price.

Then you get the posters who scraped together enough finance to buy a Camry or Accord, and think it's just as good as anything twice it's price (or more).

Then you'll get the posters who owned an old BMW of Benz back home 20 years ago, have driven a recent model Camry or Accord and were impressed that after 20 years of gains in the industry, the Japs are finally a match for something from the 90's.

Then you'll get the posters who've got the means and have actually driven most new cars, laughing at the notion presented in the topic title.

You nailed it, great post, funny too.

I'm not so sure... I have an F10 5 Series... I don't laugh at the others who either can't afford or don't wish to spend that much money.

I like cars... in the past I've had a sportier car and a 4x4 at the same time in Thailand - Why? because I wanted to... However, I was just being daft, owning two cars in BKK at Thai prices is rather silly.. so I got rid of the sporty car (I was also tired of grounding the nose over very bump !)...

IF someone chooses a Ford Ranger (which I quite like by the way) - I can see their logic that they don't wish to pay more. However, in BKK a pickup is not for me. If I lived in somewhere such as Kalasin, a pickup would be ideal.

IF someone chooses a Fortuner or Pajero (which I dont like at all) - I can still see their logic, a lot of car for the money and they don't compare to a Merc ML or Range Rover.

IF someone can only afford a Micro car to get their family about - I think its much better than a motorcycle.

I won't laugh at anyone else decision unless they are commenting that a Ranger, Fortuna, Pajero, Yaris etc are better than a Merc ML or CLS.. they are not... so for someone who has the money they should also have the intelligence to see how decisions are made from a different perspective. Equally so, those without the money or who differ in perspective should understand how other folk have different perspectives...

A car, much like a house, a watch or anything else we buy is a personal matter... Interesting to discuss, but to begrudge someone because they have something that I might not choose myself seems rather daft...

I'm yet to see any of our members with above average means belittle those with lesser means here, but I sure do see a heck of a lot of the other way around..... Most of those with better than average cars here are loath to mention it because of that - surely you've felt it too.

Thats a good point - there are a handful of posters who appear bitter and sour and constantly trip over themselves when attempting to express their negative and flawed opinions... Fortunately, not so much on this thread - a number of interesting points have been made.

[FarangTalk]

Some nice pics of Thai modded 5-series.

[richard_smith237]

These types of threads are always funny ones here..

You're always going to get the posters who can't afford even an eco-car and complain about how expensive all cars are in Thailand.

Then you'll get the posters who managed to but a B-segment car or pickup, and think it's the best car available today, at any price.

Then you get the posters who scraped together enough finance to buy a Camry or Accord, and think it's just as good as anything twice it's price (or more).

Then you'll get the posters who owned an old BMW of Benz back home 20 years ago, have driven a recent model Camry or Accord and were impressed that after 20 years of gains in the industry, the Japs are finally a match for something from the 90's.

Then you'll get the posters who've got the means and have actually driven most new cars, laughing at the notion presented in the topic title.

You left out the people who want to discuss the topic in the Header "

Is a 5 series BMW worth double the price of a top range Honda Accord?"

It was worth it to me, but sometimes I question my own choices. It was a choice of want rather than logic.

No doubt the Accord is better value. But the worth of an inanimate object is highly subjective and individual.

[ExpatOilWorker]

Another Bimmer picture.......

[I knew this would happen]

These types of threads are always funny ones here..

You're always going to get the posters who can't afford even an eco-car and complain about how expensive all cars are in Thailand.

Then you'll get the posters who managed to but a B-segment car or pickup, and think it's the best car available today, at any price.

Then you get the posters who scraped together enough finance to buy a Camry or Accord, and think it's just as good as anything twice it's price (or more).

Then you'll get the posters who owned an old BMW of Benz back home 20 years ago, have driven a recent model Camry or Accord and were impressed that after 20 years of gains in the industry, the Japs are finally a match for something from the 90's.

Then you'll get the posters who've got the means and have actually driven most new cars, laughing at the notion presented in the topic title.

You left out the people who want to discuss the topic in the Header "

Is a 5 series BMW worth double the price of a top range Honda Accord?"

It was worth it to me, but sometimes I question my own choices. It was a choice of want rather than logic.

No doubt the Accord is better value. But the worth of an inanimate object is highly subjective and individual.

All has been said already, without the fantasy taxes a BMW makes perfect sense, but a BMW is NOT 2-3 times better than a Japanese car. How could it, it is designed to be a 50K € car and that´s it. By adding 50K € of tax it won´t get better. But it´s a BMW, a little overhyped, a statement for a certain lifestyle, a great car to drive and it makes you want to have it. The Accord doesnt. It really depends on your own attitude for cars.

richard_smith2737 summed it up perfectly: Need? No! Want? Yes! Stupid? Maybe - but who cares. Either you are a petrol head or an accountant. I also questioned my spendings on "stupid" cars very often, but in the end they make me happy.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest i just squandered"

[IMHO]

These types of threads are always funny ones here..

You're always going to get the posters who can't afford even an eco-car and complain about how expensive all cars are in Thailand.

Then you'll get the posters who managed to but a B-segment car or pickup, and think it's the best car available today, at any price.

Then you get the posters who scraped together enough finance to buy a Camry or Accord, and think it's just as good as anything twice it's price (or more).

Then you'll get the posters who owned an old BMW of Benz back home 20 years ago, have driven a recent model Camry or Accord and were impressed that after 20 years of gains in the industry, the Japs are finally a match for something from the 90's.

Then you'll get the posters who've got the means and have actually driven most new cars, laughing at the notion presented in the topic title.

You left out the people who want to discuss the topic in the Header "

Is a 5 series BMW worth double the price of a top range Honda Accord?"

Double, no.

These types of comparisons can keep on going and going though..

Is a top-spec Accord worth 4 times more than an Almera? no. Is an Almera worth 15x more than a base spec Honda Wave?, also no.

I'd argue that one would sleep better knowing their 5-Series was only double the cost of an Accord than knowing their Accord was 4x the cost of an Almera though

[sjonburi]

Mumbles something about girls and car-wash..

Another Bimmer picture.......

[ExpatOilWorker]

Mumbles something about girls and car-wash..

Another Bimmer picture.......

The picture is actually a few years old. I later upgrated to a newer model, but still have the same car.

[bobfish]

Disclaimer: I've owned 3 Beemers, but never a Honda.

Personally, wouldn't buy either of the chosen pair.

But [imho].... Both cars are:

- Underpowered.

- One is less boring.

- The other is much cheaper.

- Quite nice really, in a comb-over sort of way.

Better to make your own choice then, stop reading opinionated responses like this and get yourself to the hairdressers.....

[steveromagnino]

The entry level 5 series has an attractive promo, however it is, as others have stated, possibly a little underpowered.

Depends if you are driving or being driven; if being driven then a non issue. If you are driving, then maybe the 525 or 528 might be more fun.

Personally, I don't think that the cache of a BMW or Benz is so great as it was here, now that they are so much more common. However, if you need to get from A to B and you can afford it, why not do it in something nice. As a driver's car the BMW and the Benz are better than some of the Japanese choices, but still you aren't going to be really driving a driver's car unless you go with a performance variant or go more exotic again.

For sub 4m, if you want a drivers car, then going top spec for the next size down is where it is at, but that isn't going to work so well if you being driven, or are carting around loads of kids or 3 meea nois (I bow to Heng's intimate knowledge of cars and loose women, for me I just know that rolling up and saying you drive an M5 might hold less sway than being able to say 'pom mee fino hai chai' in certain circles 5555555).

And if you want to see chronic depreciation, look no further than the grey market high performance variants; some of them drop like the proverbial stone. For a Thai assembled 3,5,C,E or similar, you cannot go too far wrong as there is quite a decent secondary market and attractive promotions and buying terms on the cars - for sure not as cheap as a Honda, but that's like saying why would you own an IWC when a G-shock also tells the time. BMW at least has BSI which helps remove the headache of the thing breaking down. Which it will (speaking as a former BMW owner). For 5 years at least anyhow.

[BSJ]

These types of threads are always funny ones here..

You're always going to get the posters who can't afford even an eco-car and complain about how expensive all cars are in Thailand.

Then you'll get the posters who managed to but a B-segment car or pickup, and think it's the best car available today, at any price.

Then you get the posters who scraped together enough finance to buy a Camry or Accord, and think it's just as good as anything twice it's price (or more).

Then you'll get the posters who owned an old BMW of Benz back home 20 years ago, have driven a recent model Camry or Accord and were impressed that after 20 years of gains in the industry, the Japs are finally a match for something from the 90's.

Then you'll get the posters who've got the means and have actually driven most new cars, laughing at the notion presented in the topic title.

You left out the people who want to discuss the topic in the Header "

Is a 5 series BMW worth double the price of a top range Honda Accord?"

It was worth it to me, but sometimes I question my own choices. It was a choice of want rather than logic.

No doubt the Accord is better value. But the worth of an inanimate object is highly subjective and individual.

I agree. I have wanted (and bought) a lot of things I really didn't need!

The OP doesn't really need a BMW.....but he wants one.....but doesn't want to pay the extortionate price.....but then who does?

[dominique355]

I drive an E60 525iSE and love it. Going to trade for the new 3, 4 or 5 soon though. Just cannot beat the ride or handling of the 5 series. The Accord is fwd and suffers from horrendous understeer as it is a medium to large size car. Says it all really. I drove Camrys and Accords before buying the bimmer and none of them aroused any passion in me whatsoever. It was like performing a function such as going to the bathroom.

The styling of the German marques is still light years ahead of the Japanese models too. 20 year old Audis and bimmers still look better than modern Japanese or Korean cars IMO.

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I agree on many points, but certainly not on the styling. I seems to me that BMW has hired the designer of Ssangyong, these 3GT, 5GT and 6GT are just horrible.

The 5er has (IMHO) a very conservative (i.e. unimaginative) styling, nothing to get excited about. OK, neither the Accord, but the new model is finally a bit less quirky than the previous models. The Jazz on the other hand has an excellent styling, light years ahead of BMW.

But whether or not the BMW is worth twice the price of an Accord, depends in my view on what is important to you. Styling, comfort, reliability, good service, handling, cost (purchase and maintenance), fun to drive....

I am kind of ill placed to advise on cars, because for my the most important thing is the engine and the power (remember: only more than enough is enough!), followed by handling. But the again, sometimes I am so fed up with these 20 inch rims and the vulnerability of the tires on Thailand's street, I wish I had a simple and reliable Accord. (But I don't).

(I don't have a BMW either.)

[BSJ]

Going back to the original post, the original poster never said he was a serious buyer! So we have 3 pages of yak yak for nothing other than his amusement.

[sjonburi]

We all know that the OP's question could not be answered with a yes or no but it was interesting to see the comments