Changing Province on 1 Year extension (Non Imm O) - any/what notifications required?

[elliottm]

Gents,

I will be making a 2nd 1 Year extension in November at Chaeng Wattana and then moving in January to a province under Nakon Sawan Immigration. My next 90 Day Notification is in Jan.

Do I simply advise NS by the due date from my new address using my CW receipt?

Or will I need to make any further applications at the new immigration office (I'm thinking about the photos showing address/habitation in particular) - in which case should I extend by 60/90 days and reapply for the 1 Year at NS to only make a full application once?

I have emailed/online messaged NS without reply (not a good sign following CW's example) but haven't called no advised CW yet, I wonder in advance what has happened to other TV extenders when moving?

Thanks.

[ubonjoe]

Just make your 90 day report in January using new address on TM47. They might want proof of address when you do it.

Nothing more will be needed.

[elliottm]

ubonjoe, many thanks! I had my name on the BKK rental invoice but the new rental agreement is in my wife's name only (which should include the translation of my surname which she updated her ID card with), would expect that to be sufficient? As it's a shop-house and I won't be involved in the business I prefer not to have my name down (to avoid any WP implications), although I could set up any broadband in my/our names, the utilities are already in landlord's name.

[elliottm]

Mario2008:

"You apply for the 1 year extension as usual in BKK, as you will still reside there.

When you move to Nakhon Sawan, you will do your 90 day reports at NS. With your first 90 day report you need to submit proof of resdience, like a rental contract, utility bill etc to rpoof you now live in NS and should report there.

If on extension of stay absed on marriage, it might be advisable to submit the required change of address forms to NS".

Thanks Mario . Rental agreement is in wife's name (my surname) and will try to get broadband in joint names (we reimburse landlord for utilities incurred). Will ask at CW for change of address forms when extending in Nov.

[ubonjoe]

No problem for it to be in your wife's name. They also may want copy of landlords ID and house book with contract.

[wayned]

By law you should file a TM28 form within 24 hours of moving into the province, but most offices don't enforce the law so waiting until your 90 day is due is probably OK. It's free. The office in Nakhon Sawan is very friendly and efficient as you can see for past reports.

The office is located in the Tourist Police complex. The address is 399 MOO 9 Sawanvitte 49, Nakhon Sawan 60000 Thailand. Phone: 056-881518. You can do your 90 day reports by mail, as I do since I live 100 kilometers from NS in Takfa. You might want to do it in person the first time. Here's a map:

[HowardV]

In my experience, we went through the process of "long tabien baan" which means "house registration." In your case, because your wife owns the house and she shares your surname, that's very easy to do and only needs to be done once every five years. Once you have that yellow book, everything is a whole lot easier. It basically means that you are tied to an address and people have vouched for you, you're "in." You can use that to open bank accounts as well, because it is the closest you can get to establishing residency without actually doing so. The best thing to do is to go to the local government office with your wife, have all your documents (her "house book", your marriage certificate, and copies of your passport and her ID card, all signed of course), and the matter should be done in a few minutes. An "inspector" will visit your house within a week or so to take pictures of you at the house with your wife, to establish "proof" of residence. They may ask you a few questions, like if you work, where, or questions about the type of visa you have. Once that's done, you wait for the book in the mail - certified or registered, so you have to sign for it or go and pick it up at the post office. After that, you can take that book and a copy of the first page along with you when you do your 90-day notification. It will always make things easier if you can go with your wife and you have that house registration booklet. Some officers will still ask for proof of income, but some will not if you have that house book. Good luck.

[vincent13]

By law you should file a TM28 form within 24 hours of moving into the province, but most offices don't enforce the law so waiting until your 90 day is due is probably OK. It's free. The office in Nakhon Sawan is very friendly and efficient as you can see for past reports.

The office is located in the Tourist Police complex. The address is 399 MOO 9 Sawanvitte 49, Nakhon Sawan 60000 Thailand. Phone: 056-881518. You can do your 90 day reports by mail, as I do since I live 100 kilometers from NS in Takfa. You might want to do it in person the first time. Here's a map:

Map Nakhon Sawan Immigration.jpg

I would lodge TM28 form within a week of moving. I was fined 2000 THB in Sakon Nakhon for not notifying SK Immigration when I first moved to that province (even though I had notified Immigration in Udon Thani of my new address in SK when obtaining a certificate of residence to renew my drivers licence).

[lopburi3]

If you want service such as a certificate of residence then yes you may be zapped for non reporting on TM-28 - but have not seen any requirement if you do not have such a special request and you do at normal 90 day report time. To be sure at the wrong moon phase or karma mood there can be different end results. But here as in most places if all laws were fully enforced there would be no time for anything else.

[wayned]

In my experience, we went through the process of "long tabien baan" which means "house registration." In your case, because your wife owns the house and she shares your surname, that's very easy to do and only needs to be done once every five years. Once you have that yellow book, everything is a whole lot easier. It basically means that you are tied to an address and people have vouched for you, you're "in." You can use that to open bank accounts as well, because it is the closest you can get to establishing residency without actually doing so. The best thing to do is to go to the local government office with your wife, have all your documents (her "house book", your marriage certificate, and copies of your passport and her ID card, all signed of course), and the matter should be done in a few minutes. An "inspector" will visit your house within a week or so to take pictures of you at the house with your wife, to establish "proof" of residence. They may ask you a few questions, like if you work, where, or questions about the type of visa you have. Once that's done, you wait for the book in the mail - certified or registered, so you have to sign for it or go and pick it up at the post office. After that, you can take that book and a copy of the first page along with you when you do your 90-day notification. It will always make things easier if you can go with your wife and you have that house registration booklet. Some officers will still ask for proof of income, but some will not if you have that house book. Good luck.

Depends on the Amphur where you live. Sounds easy where you applied but the Amphur office that I had to use was impossible. Every time I went in they wanted something else or changed what they told me the last time. On my last visit I was even accused of submitting false documents even though they had the green and red MFA stamps on them. The local village chief that vouched for me ask me to wait until the woman clerk who was giving me the problem retired in less than six months as her"elevator didn't go all the way to the top". Although she was only the clerk, she was the aunt of the young fellow in charge and he definitely wouldn't lose face and overrule her. I never went back and haven't needed the yellow book for anything anyway. If she said her s**t was white he would agree!

[Aforek]

About ta bian bas see luang; I have one ( I rent a house ) , and if I change adress ( in same province or an other province ), I have to go to the amphoe and tell them my new adress ? They will write my new adress in the tabian ban see luang ? Thank you

[Mario2008]

About ta bian bas see luang; I have one ( I rent a house ) , and if I change adress ( in same province or an other province ), I have to go to the amphoe and tell them my new adress ? They will write my new adress in the tabian ban see luang ? Thank you

No, the tabien baan belongs to the house (owner) not to you and lists who is officialy residing at that address.

If you move, you need to be removed from the tabien baan and be entered into the tabien baan for your new address (if your new landlord will allow it).

[Aforek]

you mean than I must do all the processing and ask for a new tabian ban ? I thought my yellow tabian ban follow me everywhere I go

[Traveling Sailor]

About ta bian bas see luang; I have one ( I rent a house ) , and if I change adress ( in same province or an other province ), I have to go to the amphoe and tell them my new adress ? They will write my new adress in the tabian ban see luang ? Thank you

No, the tabien baan belongs to the house (owner) not to you and lists who is officialy residing at that address.

If you move, you need to be removed from the tabien baan and be entered into the tabien baan for your new address (if your new landlord will allow it).

On 1 October, I moved from Nakhon Si Thammarat Provence to a rental house on Koh Samui. My 90 day notice is due this month and I have read all the posts with interest. Does anyone have experience with the Koh Samui Immigration office?? Any information provided will be greatly appreciated.

[asiaexpat]

you mean than I must do all the processing and ask for a new tabian ban ? I thought my yellow tabian ban follow me everywhere I go

When you go to your current District Office to report your move to a new province they will likely tell you to take the Yellow Tabien Baan with you and present it to your new location's District Office. This what happened to me and the new District Office used the YTB to issue me a new one for my new address.

[Aforek]

Good, thank you , I prefer this and I"ll remember it

[elliottm]

In my experience, we went through the process of "long tabien baan" which means "house registration." In your case, because your wife owns the house and she shares your surname, that's very easy to do and only needs to be done once every five years. Once you have that yellow book, everything is a whole lot easier. It basically means that you are tied to an address and people have vouched for you, you're "in." You can use that to open bank accounts as well, because it is the closest you can get to establishing residency without actually doing so. The best thing to do is to go to the local government office with your wife, have all your documents (her "house book", your marriage certificate, and copies of your passport and her ID card, all signed of course), and the matter should be done in a few minutes. An "inspector" will visit your house within a week or so to take pictures of you at the house with your wife, to establish "proof" of residence. They may ask you a few questions, like if you work, where, or questions about the type of visa you have. Once that's done, you wait for the book in the mail - certified or registered, so you have to sign for it or go and pick it up at the post office. After that, you can take that book and a copy of the first page along with you when you do your 90-day notification. It will always make things easier if you can go with your wife and you have that house registration booklet. Some officers will still ask for proof of income, but some will not if you have that house book. Good luck.

Howard, thank you for this. We are renting the house in my wife's name, does that mean we cannot register separately without ownership. it seems in a later reply there may be a possibility of using a YTB for temporary rental addresses?

[elliottm]

By law you should file a TM28 form within 24 hours of moving into the province, but most offices don't enforce the law so waiting until your 90 day is due is probably OK. It's free. The office in Nakhon Sawan is very friendly and efficient as you can see for past reports.

The office is located in the Tourist Police complex. The address is 399 MOO 9 Sawanvitte 49, Nakhon Sawan 60000 Thailand. Phone: 056-881518. You can do your 90 day reports by mail, as I do since I live 100 kilometers from NS in Takfa. You might want to do it in person the first time. Here's a map:

Map Nakhon Sawan Immigration.jpg

Thanks Wayne. Do I need to include a SAE for Receipt of Notification? I also note you're meant to notify any stay of >24 hrs, I must say I've never done that for trips!

I'm hoping contact will be easier with NS and CW, although my email + online message regarding this has been left unanswered. I'll give them a call on the number you provided, thanks

[wayned]

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[wayned]

Yes you need to include a SAE with 10 baht postage. Don't listen to all of the BS that you only need 3 baht, just put 10 baht on it. You need to send a copy of the bio page of you passport, A copy of your visa page. a copy of your last permission to stay stamp and entry stamp to LOS, a copy of your departure card, the original of your 90 day report notification (if it's not your first report) and proof of residence since it is the first time. In addition I think that you will have to file a TM28 form with the copies of everything attached since you are changing residence. I'm not sure exactly what they will require in your situation, that's why I said that I think that you should do it in person the first time. To be honest in the past they weren't very good at answering the phone and I have one of the officer's mobile number but I told her that I would not give it to anybody before she would give it to me.

They are fast, efficient and friendly. When I go once a year for my extension I always go early in the morning. I did my extension on 24 October, got there at 0905 and was out by 0925. There were 2 "farang" waiting when I left. Easy to find and lots of parking.

[elliottm]

Yes you need to include a SAE with 10 baht postage. Don't listen to all of the BS that you only need 3 baht, just put 10 baht on it. You need to send a copy of the bio page of you passport, A copy of your visa page. a copy of your last permission to stay stamp and entry stamp to LOS, a copy of your departure card, the original of your 90 day report notification (if it's not your first report) and proof of residence since it is the first time. In addition I think that you will have to file a TM28 form with the copies of everything attached since you are changing residence. I'm not sure exactly what they will require in your situation, that's why I said that I think that you should do it in person the first time. To be honest in the past they weren't very good at answering the phone and I have one of the officer's mobile number but I told her that I would not give it to anybody before she would give it to me.

They are fast, efficient and friendly. When I go once a year for my extension I always go early in the morning. I did my extension on 24 October, got there at 0905 and was out by 0925. There were 2 "farang" waiting when I left. Easy to find and lots of parking.

Thanks Wayne. It's a 2-3 hour drive so will try and complete all by mail where possible. So the documentation for TM28 is same as 90 Days & needs SAE for TM28 receipt as well - I'm a little reluctant to let go of my latest 90 Days receipt so I think I'll do a combined submission as the 90 days is up in mid-Jan anyway, with TM28 due from 1st Jan.

Thanks again

[wayned]

I have never filed a TM28, but since it is a report of your new address I would assume that the same documentation is required. The brochure that I got from them suggests that you send the 90 day report 15 days early, which I do, but it's usually there the next day and a new one issued and sent immediately. I'd try to call them to see what exactly they require and if you can file the TM28 by mail as I'm not sure that they will accept anything but the 90 day report, TM47, by mail.

[elliottm]

The wife has just been told I need following documentation to register new address at a house rental under Nakhon Sawan immigration, moving from BKK - surely 400k in bank for 2 months is only for the last Extension of Stay (Non Imm O), right?

First notification in person with wife asap after arrival & following documentation:

Rental agreement (can be in wife's name only)

- Landlord ID + house book

- Letter from landlord to let you stay in house

Wife's ID + house book

- Marriage certificate

- Letter from CW Immigration confirming the move next year

- 400,000Bht in bank for 2 months, Bank book

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[elliottm]

The wife has just been told I need following documentation to register new address at a house rental under Nakhon Sawan immigration, moving from BKK - surely 400k in bank for 2 months is only for the last Extension of Stay (Non Imm O), right?

First notification in person with wife asap after arrival & following documentation:

Rental agreement (can be in wife's name only)

- Landlord ID + house book

- Letter from landlord to let you stay in house

Wife's ID + house book

- Marriage certificate

- Letter from CW Immigration confirming the move next year

- 400,000Bht in bank for 2 months, Bank book

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-

Gentlemen, got wifey to call back, seems she conflated the future TM28 with our TM7 extension this week, no further bank funds required, at ease

[wayned]

1. Rental agreement - OK

2. Landlord ID and House book - To prove he owns the house. Make sure that he signs the copies. OK

3. Letter from Landlord to let you stay in the house? Isn't that the rental agreement?

4. Wife's Id and house book - OK

5. Marriage certificate - OK

6. Letter from CW Immigration? Don't understand what they want, I never had one when I moved provinces and didn't need it in NS.

7. 400k in the bank - NO. Since you are extending you permission to stay this month in CW You shouldn't need it as your new permission to stay will not expire until 11/2014.

Sounds like she talked to one of the clerks, not an officer.