Miss Pronunciation of Pattaya

[MrHammer]

Brits often say 'Pat ti a'.

Germans/Scandis say 'Pat taia'

I believe the correct is 'Pa ta ya' with emphasis on the last syllable.

[wym]

The way it's pronounced in the local language is one thing.

How it's pronounced in other languages is another.

This is true for nearly all cities all around the world.

Problem is that when you're actually living here, you hear it pronounced by people with a wide variety of first languages.

Therefore in a place like "Patts" the best way to pronounce it is the way the locals do.

If you want to know exactly what that is, don't bother with all this transliteration stuff - just ask the Thais all around you and imitate until you get it right.

Not rocket science. . .

[Jackson86]

i pronounce as ' pa-ta-ya '.

[Mojomor]

i pronounce as ' pa-ta-ya '.

Correct + 1

[Jackson86]

The way it's pronounced in the local language is one thing.

How it's pronounced in other languages is another.

This is true for nearly all cities all around the world.

Problem is that when you're actually living here, you hear it pronounced by people with a wide variety of first languages.

Therefore in a place like "Patts" the best way to pronounce it is the way the locals do.

If you want to know exactly what that is, don't bother with all this transliteration stuff - just ask the Thais all around you and imitate until you get it right.

Not rocket science. . .

It's just like in football, u pronounce ' real madrid ' as ' ree-ah madrid ' since it's not english word so u cannot use english to pronounce it.

[Jackson86]

i pronounce as ' pa-ta-ya '.

Correct + 1

Yep thanks. I've also heard of the pattaya song and even my pattaya girl also pronounce as ' pa-ta-yaa '.

[DD13]

And what about that "pretentious" T--T on the radio who says Sook- hum-vit

Get a life

[GrantSmith]

So ... did she ever get married ... poor 'ole Miss Pattaya?

Hopefully a new Sponsor ?

So many fall through the cracks in Pattaya ... I Miss that place sometimes ...

I thought this thread was about the regional 'rounds of the "Miss Lysdexic World" beauty pageant?

Bit disappointed, to be honest

[DD13]

So ... did she ever get married ... poor 'ole Miss Pattaya?

Hopefully a new Sponsor ?

So many fall through the cracks in Pattaya ... I Miss that place sometimes ...

I thought this thread was about the regional 'rounds of the "Miss Lysdexic World" beauty pageant?

Bit disappointed, to be honest

Older people always "wander off" any subject......

[bifftastic]

Using PUTT as in golf is the closest way to describe it for the English ear. Phat with a high tone is probably a better transliteration but that would probably cause more confusion. The ability to read Thai doesn't give anybody an advantage in saying it as a native.

Otherwise it's just semantics.

Actually, it does. The short vowel (above the first letter) between the 'p' and the 't' followed by the even shorter one (so short it's not even written!), then the 'y' followed by the long 'aah' vowel at the end, gives you the exact pronunciation.

In English, we have to discuss how things are pronounced. There are different accents, different vowel sounds for the same vowels etc etc.

In Thai, you just need to write;

พัทยา

and everyone (who can read) knows how to say it

[GrantSmith]

So ... did she ever get married ... poor 'ole Miss Pattaya?

Hopefully a new Sponsor ?

So many fall through the cracks in Pattaya ... I Miss that place sometimes ...

I thought this thread was about the regional 'rounds of the "Miss Lysdexic World" beauty pageant?

Bit disappointed, to be honest

Older people always "wander off" any subject......

Variety is the spice of life, no?

[MrWorldwide]

Brits often say 'Pat ti a'.

Germans/Scandis say 'Pat taia'

I believe the correct is 'Pa ta ya' with emphasis on the last syllable.

And I agree with said emphasis and your phonetic approximations of the way it's mispronounced by many foreigners.

If you look closely at the name of this Welsh town, it clearly says 'RobinWilliamsIsAWanker'

That's one sign they probably could have left in place during WWII.

[MrWorldwide]

The way it's pronounced in the local language is one thing.

How it's pronounced in other languages is another.

This is true for nearly all cities all around the world.

Problem is that when you're actually living here, you hear it pronounced by people with a wide variety of first languages.

Therefore in a place like "Patts" the best way to pronounce it is the way the locals do.

If you want to know exactly what that is, don't bother with all this transliteration stuff - just ask the Thais all around you and imitate until you get it right.

Not rocket science. . .

And that's precisely what I do - their Pattaya sounds nothing like 'Papaya'.

Next week, Stuttgart.

[Fookhaht]

Same people who go to Foo-khet for their holidays I guess.

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No, haven't had any visitors of late.

But I must say, I have not heard a Brit say "Pah-tai-YA" correctly yet.

[thailiketoo]

Same people who go to Foo-khet for their holidays I guess.

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No, haven't had any visitors of late.

But I must say, I have not heard a Brit say "Pah-tai-YA" correctly yet.

I think this Brit says it correctly. (3 times in the first 20 seconds of the tape)

Edited February 25, 2014 by thailiketoo

[Fookhaht]

Same people who go to Foo-khet for their holidays I guess.

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No, haven't had any visitors of late.

But I must say, I have not heard a Brit say "Pah-tai-YA" correctly yet.

I think this Brit says it correctly. (3 times in the first 20 seconds of the tape)

I started to say "close, but no cigar," but not even remotely close to winning a cigar.

The man stresses the first syllable, which the Thai speaker never does. It's the last syllable which should be stressed. When Thais hear familiar words stressed in the wrong places, it becomes incomprehensible to most of them. I've lived here long enough that it even sounds off-base to my farang ears.

Good thing the major audience for this broadcaster is probably fellow mispronouncing Brits.

Edited February 25, 2014 by Fookhaht

[ThaiBob]

Same people who go to Foo-khet for their holidays I guess.

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No, haven't had any visitors of late.

But I must say, I have not heard a Brit say "Pah-tai-YA" correctly yet.

I think this Brit says it correctly. (3 times in the first 20 seconds of the tape)

Wrong. The classic mispronounciation of Pattaya by a Brit who should know better since he is a local public figure. The first syllable is Pa not Pat, the second is ta and the third is ya. The first and second syllables have short vowels and the stress is on the last syllable since it is a long vowel. Thai language is tonal and all three syllables are mid or level tones.

[Upnotover]

Wrong. The classic mispronounciation of Pattaya by a Brit who should know better since he is a local public figure. The first syllable is Pa not Pat, the second is ta and the third is ya. The first and second syllables have short vowels and the stress is on the last syllable since it is a long vowel. Thai language is tonal and all three syllables are mid or level tones.

Strikes me that not only is it pronounced wrong, but also spelled wrongly. Wouldn't Patayaa be better?

[thailiketoo]

Wrong. The classic mispronounciation of Pattaya by a Brit who should know better since he is a local public figure. The first syllable is Pa not Pat, the second is ta and the third is ya. The first and second syllables have short vowels and the stress is on the last syllable since it is a long vowel. Thai language is tonal and all three syllables are mid or level tones.

To be fair post a video like I did so we can compare because who knows if your phonics are the same as other people. Until I see a video comparison Howard is right.

Edited February 25, 2014 by thailiketoo

[merlen10002]

Same people who go to Foo-khet for their holidays I guess.

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No, haven't had any visitors of late.

But I must say, I have not heard a Brit say "Pah-tai-YA" correctly yet.

I think this Brit says it correctly. (3 times in the first 20 seconds of the tape)

I think that is correct

[ThaiBob]

Wrong. The classic mispronounciation of Pattaya by a Brit who should know better since he is a local public figure. The first syllable is Pa not Pat, the second is ta and the third is ya. The first and second syllables have short vowels and the stress is on the last syllable since it is a long vowel. Thai language is tonal and all three syllables are mid or level tones.

To be fair post a video like I did so we can compare because who knows if your phonics are the same as other people. Until I see a video comparison Howard is right.

enter พัทยา into a Thai English dic and playback. As others have noted, the romanization of Thai script is inconsistent as you can see Pattaya transliterated in different ways. It's no wonder foreigners struggle with a basically simple pronunciation of this city.

edit : see post #14 and compare that to HM.

Edited February 25, 2014 by ThaiBob

[eeeya]

I can neither confirm or deny that once I called sukhumvit rd... Suck hum vit road

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[thailiketoo]

Wrong. The classic mispronounciation of Pattaya by a Brit who should know better since he is a local public figure. The first syllable is Pa not Pat, the second is ta and the third is ya. The first and second syllables have short vowels and the stress is on the last syllable since it is a long vowel. Thai language is tonal and all three syllables are mid or level tones.

To be fair post a video like I did so we can compare because who knows if your phonics are the same as other people. Until I see a video comparison Howard is right.

enter พัทยา into a Thai English dic and playback. As others have noted, the romanization of Thai script is inconsistent as you can see Pattaya transliterated in different ways. It's no wonder foreigners struggle with a basically simple pronunciation of this city.

edit : see post #14 and compare that to HM.

You caaan't seriously expect to compare a dictionary robot speech to the real thing now can you?

Please supply a person speaking clearer than Howard because I think he is doing it right.

But I looked up three dictionaries and only google would speak. And google said PAT.

[MTH]

Can't quite understand how this thread can keep on going after post 18, it's all there.

I always squirm at the British broadcasters pronunciation of Thai names, last time around for me was the report of the Burapha Bike week, wasn't quite sure if I was supposed to laugh at or feel sorry for the narrator.

[David48]

So ... did she ever get married ... poor 'ole Miss Pattaya?

Hopefully a new Sponsor ?

So many fall through the cracks in Pattaya ... I Miss that place sometimes ...

I thought this thread was about the regional 'rounds of the "Miss Lysdexic World" beauty pageant?

Bit disappointed, to be honest

Older people always "wander off" any subject......

Oh come now ... we 'old hands' steer this ship most times.

BTW ... fancy a Zimmer Frame race down beach Rd this Saturday.

Say, meet you there opposite Soi 6.

Make it 3pm ... I will have had my Nana by then ...

[MrWorldwide]

Oh, <deleted> - the vid of our old mate from the Patts Tourist Police, now a hansum man in civilian garb, is NOT the correct pronunciation : it's simply the way 98% of Poms choose to pronounce Pattaya.

If you think you've had the odd boring night in Patts, these folk have you beat hands down. Serious waste of petrol, but the guy says 'Pattaya' correctly 3 times at the start of the vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blgm8KhKPWk

Trying to tell TV'ers that the Thais dont know how to pronounce Pattaya is like trying to tell us the Germans dont know how to pronounce Stuttgart - let's settle this ridiculous argument once and for all.

[thailiketoo]

Oh, <deleted> - the vid of our old mate from the Patts Tourist Police, now a hansum man in civilian garb, is NOT the correct pronunciation : it's simply the way 98% of Poms choose to pronounce Pattaya.

If you think you've had the odd boring night in Patts, these folk have you beat hands down. Serious waste of petrol, but the guy says 'Pattaya' correctly 3 times at the start of the vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blgm8KhKPWk

Trying to tell TV'ers that the Thais dont know how to pronounce Pattaya is like trying to tell us the Germans dont know how to pronounce Stuttgart - let's settle this ridiculous argument once and for all.

The BBC and most Brits I know pronounce it Pat Tie ya. Howard and the Thais pronounce it Pat Tee ya. I think you are hearing something I'm not hearing.

[tropo]

You pronounce a city the way you want to as a foreigner. Paris and Berlin are also pronounced differently in their native languages. And don't forget about Bangkok...

^^^^ This

It's pretty obvious that every nationality has their own pronunciation for place names anywhere in the world.

Pattaya is a tough one, because the correct Thai pronunciation feels so awkward and clumsy coming off the tongue. I choose not to use it because I feel it sounds quite out of place in an English sentence. Even when I did try to pronounce it correctly Thais wouldn't have a clue what I'm talking about anyway.

... but who really cares? I'm sure the Thais don't as they've heard it pronounced hundreds of different ways.... probably only a few pedantic foreigners who are over confident in their own Thai speaking ability who care.

[LaraC]

Is it a movie then? Sorta like Miss Congeniality, but as a bar girl?

[thailiketoo]

You pronounce a city the way you want to as a foreigner. Paris and Berlin are also pronounced differently in their native languages. And don't forget about Bangkok...

^^^^ This

It's pretty obvious that every nationality has their own pronunciation for place names anywhere in the world.

Pattaya is a tough one, because the correct Thai pronunciation feels so awkward and clumsy coming off the tongue. I choose not to use it because I feel it sounds quite out of place in an English sentence. Even when I did try to pronounce it correctly Thais wouldn't have a clue what I'm talking about anyway.

... but who really cares? I'm sure the Thais don't as they've heard it pronounced hundreds of different ways.... probably only a few pedantic foreigners who are over confident in their own Thai speaking ability who care.

So how do you pronounce it?