Where is Thailand on the Philippens disaster ?

[thehelmsman]

I've just been assigned to a US hospital ship going to PI. But, we won't arrive for at least a month. My first time on a hospital ship.

[Stradavarius37]

Amazing that all the mouth breathers on here instantly assume the worst without knowing any facts. Just letting their stereotypes, generalizations, and preconceived notions fly....

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[arunsakda]

We were listening Tuesday to the radio whole day, working in our shed. They wre talking about the Typhoon all day and it sounds like there is alot of fundraising going on.

[Thai at Heart]

Thailand is almost bankrupt....what money are they going to donate?

What can Thailand donate?

Maybe some Rice

Second thoughts, maybe a lot of Rice

What can Thailand donate?

Similar kind of Aid, that Thailand received from around the World for the Tsunami disaster of 2003!

Short memories often go hand in hand with deep pockets.

I used to live in Phang Nga in 2003 and we'd just moved to the northeast when the Tsunami hit that area on Christmas 2004.

We're crying, when we saw the disaster on TV, even the ID card of a Thai friend they're looking for.. Germany for example had sent 10 million Euros first Aid, but almost nothing arrived at those poor guys who'd lost all and many relatives and friends. Including foreign tourists.

We drove to Phang Nga immediately and there was no first aid to see. Only the dead bodies, pretty difficult to find out who it was, as some were in salt water for a longer period of time.

Then you couldn't even say which ethnic race the dead body belonged to. Then the unbelievable....

The German BKA ( Bundeskriminalamt, similar to the FBI) had also sent forensic experts, who started their job immediately. Until some weird Thais accused them of working without a work permit.

Thailand said that they'd have enough of those specialists and they'd to leave the country.

I'm afraid that this catastrophe had killed many people and made a lot homeless. Now it's all about surviving. I've realized that most Thais don't even know that something in the Philippines has happened.

Aid is already landing from many other Countries in the world,including £10,000,000 from the UK and also charity organisations collections,are in full swing. Makes me sick when I see China (one of the top 3 richest countries),donating a miserable £100,000.

Let's wait and see if Thailand will help the Philippines ,as the world helped Thailand's people after the Tsunami.

Just imagine if China gave 1usd per head. Just 1usd.

100k

Disgraceful.

[Jasun]

At the very least, donate the millions of tons of rice sitting in warehouses. It seems an obvious opportunity to show good will while solving a problem.

[Showbags]

At the very least, donate the millions of tons of rice sitting in warehouses. It seems an obvious opportunity to show good will while solving a problem.

Is there any way that could be conceived as losing face....cos not gunna happen if there is.

[ajs500]

quote "Finally, what have YOU done?

Honestly, what have you done?"

I never give to this kind of appeal.

I go out of my way to give cash and kind

to destitute people, who are not begging.

The people in the Philippines were living their lives and not asking for anything. A natural disaster of immense proportions totally destroyed their day to day lives. 5 days without food and they ask for help. Are you saying that they should not beg for assistance to clear dead bodies, provide basic water and food for the survivors?

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No

[ajs500]

I believe that many countries actually rely on aid. It is not exactly the first time, and certainly not the last that the Philippines are hit by typhoons.

They won't be any better prepared.

[Travel2003]

I think the OP needs to get his sh!t together and do some research instead of opening up yet another venue on the forum for Thai bashing.

I have no clue as to who is donating what or how much but on one of the local television stations this morning, they had an appeal running that had over 3 million baht in it. I would reckon there's a lot of initiatives like this kicking off. For every farang belly acher projecting their hatred for all things Thai here on TV there's a few hundred Thai's quietly going about DOING SOMETHING about the disaster in the Philippines.

You just don't fly planes full of medicine and sail boats full of rice to the Philippines. It is a sovereign nation and they need to ask for what is needed and permission needs to be granted. It all needs to be organised.

Enough with all this self-righteous indignation and name calling. If you didn't have CNN and BBC on your internet, you wouldn't even have a clue it had happened and would be whining about the usual Thai political and cultural sh!te that you have no influence over and can't accept.

Spot on,

This has developed into a thread about how bad this country is.

Lots of members seems to think they are in charge of who should donate what.

Many members seem to know exactly what Thailand received previously, forgetting they were one of many, and what they should give back.

99% of all the members seem to be some sort of logistics experts.

Finally, I am 100% sure that the vast majority of the complainers here have not given a single satang themselves.

[Travel2003]

Did Thailand really not give any money/food/water/tents except some medics??? I hardly can't believe it after all the help they got after the tsunami.

What did Thailand get after the tsunami? I'm sure they got something, but you seem to be on top of it, so what did Thailand receive (and from whom)?

Seems to me that many of the members here think that charity and humanity MUST be paid back.

A quote from the report below.

"Following the tsunami Thailand received significant assistance from a range of foreign donors. This assistance included technical assistance from foreign governments. The total amount of aid committed was $131 million, ranging from contributions of $5,000 to $27 million. This foreign commitment was around 10 per cent of Thailand’s tsunami-related budget. The government

also received substantial donations from the corporate sector, estimated at $50–60 million in 2005"

Total breakdown of donors at Section 6.1 at the URL below.

http://www.adbi.org/files/dp72.thailand.tsunami.adjustment.recovery.pdf

Good reseach

[Travel2003]

I've just been assigned to a US hospital ship going to PI. But, we won't arrive for at least a month. My first time on a hospital ship.

Bon voyage and good luck sailor.

Maybe reflag it to Thai, so some of the members here can get some more (anti Thai) fuel.

Joke aside,

good luck and safe travel.

[rgs2001uk]

I think the OP needs to get his sh!t together and do some research instead of opening up yet another venue on the forum for Thai bashing.

I have no clue as to who is donating what or how much but on one of the local television stations this morning, they had an appeal running that had over 3 million baht in it. I would reckon there's a lot of initiatives like this kicking off. For every farang belly acher projecting their hatred for all things Thai here on TV there's a few hundred Thai's quietly going about DOING SOMETHING about the disaster in the Philippines.

You just don't fly planes full of medicine and sail boats full of rice to the Philippines. It is a sovereign nation and they need to ask for what is needed and permission needs to be granted. It all needs to be organised.

Enough with all this self-righteous indignation and name calling. If you didn't have CNN and BBC on your internet, you wouldn't even have a clue it had happened and would be whining about the usual Thai political and cultural sh!te that you have no influence over and can't accept.

Spot on,

This has developed into a thread about how bad this country is.

Lots of members seems to think they are in charge of who should donate what.

Many members seem to know exactly what Thailand received previously, forgetting they were one of many, and what they should give back.

99% of all the members seem to be some sort of logistics experts.

Finally, I am 100% sure that the vast majority of the complainers here have not given a single satang themselves.

99% of all the members seem to be some sort of logistics experts.

Oh so true, to the OP, send what,to where and when?

Who is actually in control of the sitauation?

Theres more to it than throwing some rice into the back of a C-130 and heading east.

Who controls the landing slot times, etc etc.

[Robby nz]

Spot on,

This has developed into a thread about how bad this country is.

Lots of members seems to think they are in charge of who should donate what.

Many members seem to know exactly what Thailand received previously, forgetting they were one of many, and what they should give back.

99% of all the members seem to be some sort of logistics experts.

Finally, I am 100% sure that the vast majority of the complainers here have not given a single satang themselves.

Seems I'm being picked on again.

I don't usually answer things like that but in this case I will.

If you care to look at the top of the Thailand news page you will see a weather related topic, go to that and you will see by my posts on there that I had been tracking the Typhoon before it struck, mainly with a view to its possible impact on Thailand.

However I could see that the impact on the Philippines would be devastating

A Cat 5 + typhoon with sustained winds of over 300km per hr could not help but cause monumental damage and huge loss of life.

Thailand has something with a name like 'The disaster prevention and mitigation department' this department should have been tracking this typhoon and also realized the effect it would have when it hit land.

While they are mainly interested in disasters at home they should also have an interest in what happens in neighboring countries, particularly ASIAN partners.

They should therefore have been in touch with the Philippines before the typhoon struck offering assistance if and when needed.

That department should have stores of relief supplies on hand that can be accessed at a moments notice.

They should have put the air force on stand by to airlift relief and medical supplies and helicopters which I understand a C130 can transport.

The navy should have also been put on stand by.

This Typhoon and the result was predictable and predicted.

I therefore stand by my OP that Thailand and all other ASIAN partners should have been prepared to offer immediate assistance.

[Crushdepth]

The local response to other's misfortunes is usually something along the lines of "a great opportunity for Thailand to export more of [product of now devastated region]"

[NanLaew]

Spot on,

This has developed into a thread about how bad this country is.

Lots of members seems to think they are in charge of who should donate what.

Many members seem to know exactly what Thailand received previously, forgetting they were one of many, and what they should give back.

99% of all the members seem to be some sort of logistics experts.

Finally, I am 100% sure that the vast majority of the complainers here have not given a single satang themselves.

Seems I'm being picked on again.

I don't usually answer things like that but in this case I will.

If you care to look at the top of the Thailand news page you will see a weather related topic, go to that and you will see by my posts on there that I had been tracking the Typhoon before it struck, mainly with a view to its possible impact on Thailand.

However I could see that the impact on the Philippines would be devastating

A Cat 5 + typhoon with sustained winds of over 300km per hr could not help but cause monumental damage and huge loss of life.

Thailand has something with a name like 'The disaster prevention and mitigation department' this department should have been tracking this typhoon and also realized the effect it would have when it hit land.

While they are mainly interested in disasters at home they should also have an interest in what happens in neighboring countries, particularly ASIAN partners.

They should therefore have been in touch with the Philippines before the typhoon struck offering assistance if and when needed.

That department should have stores of relief supplies on hand that can be accessed at a moments notice.

They should have put the air force on stand by to airlift relief and medical supplies and helicopters which I understand a C130 can transport.

The navy should have also been put on stand by.

This Typhoon and the result was predictable and predicted.

I therefore stand by my OP that Thailand and all other ASIAN partners should have been prepared to offer immediate assistance.

Come on Robby, you can't back pedal that fast.

Your OP subject title asks what Thailand is doing, not what Thailand and other ASEAN nations are doing. Stay focused. You don't care if Australia has sent ships and helicopters or that China has upped their cash award. Like so many others here, you just want to know if the current ruling party is still hoarding the rice and giving you something to piss and moan about.

I was was working near Busuanga right up until the 7th and flew out of Manila the following afternoon, a few hours after Haiyan made landfall. I haven't donated squat but I did righteously tip some of the girls at EDSA on Thursday night so that should trickle down eventually.

As for watching train wrecks typhoons that may hit Thailand, you should know by now that Thailand doesn't normally do typhoons beyond the heavy rain as they make landfall well away from Thai shores. Apart from the anomalous Typhoon Gay in 1989, they just don't happen here.

I was watching Haiyan develop though (just like the 6 other typhoons I dodged offshore this season) and we could see 8 meter seas being forecast for our work area a week before the event. Busuanga was the last island it passed over before entering the South China Sea. There was absolutely NO government warning or edict beyond not being allowed to berth in Batangas after 18:00 on the 7th.

The indignation should be directed at the moribund and corrupt Philippine Government who didn't seem to learn anything over the past, say 60 years of living in 'typhoon alley' but are pretty happy to let the world media broadcast live video streams of kids with 'help us please' placards.

Bloody shameful that is.

[Travel2003]

Spot on,

This has developed into a thread about how bad this country is.

Lots of members seems to think they are in charge of who should donate what.

Many members seem to know exactly what Thailand received previously, forgetting they were one of many, and what they should give back.

99% of all the members seem to be some sort of logistics experts.

Finally, I am 100% sure that the vast majority of the complainers here have not given a single satang themselves.

Seems I'm being picked on again.

Please, it is not you in particular.

And please don't worry too much if you feel picked on.

God knows how many times I (and most members) have felt picked on.

And God knows how many times I have deserved being picked at.

Not saying you deserve it in this case, as it was a general remark from me.

[balo]

Norway, a nation with only 5 million people gives 20 milliion kr (3.5 million dollar) and the Norwegian navy has a vessel in Tacloban city now , helping with water and food.

And a lot of EU countries are donating , lets just hope the money will be spent well.

Don't expect Thailand to do the same .

[rgs2001uk]

Spot on,

This has developed into a thread about how bad this country is.

Lots of members seems to think they are in charge of who should donate what.

Many members seem to know exactly what Thailand received previously, forgetting they were one of many, and what they should give back.

99% of all the members seem to be some sort of logistics experts.

Finally, I am 100% sure that the vast majority of the complainers here have not given a single satang themselves.

Seems I'm being picked on again.

I don't usually answer things like that but in this case I will.

If you care to look at the top of the Thailand news page you will see a weather related topic, go to that and you will see by my posts on there that I had been tracking the Typhoon before it struck, mainly with a view to its possible impact on Thailand.

However I could see that the impact on the Philippines would be devastating

A Cat 5 + typhoon with sustained winds of over 300km per hr could not help but cause monumental damage and huge loss of life.

Thailand has something with a name like 'The disaster prevention and mitigation department' this department should have been tracking this typhoon and also realized the effect it would have when it hit land.

While they are mainly interested in disasters at home they should also have an interest in what happens in neighboring countries, particularly ASIAN partners.

They should therefore have been in touch with the Philippines before the typhoon struck offering assistance if and when needed.

That department should have stores of relief supplies on hand that can be accessed at a moments notice.

They should have put the air force on stand by to airlift relief and medical supplies and helicopters which I understand a C130 can transport.

The navy should have also been put on stand by.

This Typhoon and the result was predictable and predicted.

I therefore stand by my OP that Thailand and all other ASIAN partners should have been prepared to offer immediate assistance.

I therefore stand by my OP that Thailand and all other ASIAN partners should have been prepared to offer immediate assistance.

How do you know they werent?

Who is actually running the show right now?

The Phillipine g'ovt, UN, Red Cross, Uncle Sam?

Please tell me how you land a plane at night time on a runway with no landing lights?

We wont even bother about getting into a discussion about FOD etc.

Please tell me how anyone can man "the tower" when there is no comms or electric?

[Travel2003]

Norway, a nation with only 5 million people gives 20 milliion kr (3.5 million dollar) and the Norwegian navy has a vessel in Tacloban city now , helping with water and food.

And a lot of EU countries are donating , lets just hope the money will be spent well.

Don't expect Thailand to do the same .

I believe I read a cargo ship as well on the way, filled with stuff, which probably will represent a few more million dollars.

But we can afford it, and I am very happy that our foreign aid tax money is used this way.

Btw, if only1/3 of the population in the Philippines gave a simple 100 Pesos (2,5 Dollars) each.

Calculate it and you see it is a huge sum.

Unfortunately it had to go through central and local agencies.

Back to Thailand,

Like the country or not, but I am 100% sure she is doing her part.

[rgs2001uk]

Norway, a nation with only 5 million people gives 20 milliion kr (3.5 million dollar) and the Norwegian navy has a vessel in Tacloban city now , helping with water and food.

And a lot of EU countries are donating , lets just hope the money will be spent well.

Don't expect Thailand to do the same .

I believe I read a cargo ship as well on the way, filled with stuff, which probably will represent a few more million dollars.

But we can afford it, and I am very happy that our foreign aid tax money is used this way.

Btw, if only1/3 of the population in the Philippines gave a simple 100 Pesos (2,5 Dollars) each.

Calculate it and you see it is a huge sum.

Unfortunately it had to go through central and local agencies.

Back to Thailand,

Like the country or not, but I am 100% sure she is doing her part.

Unfortunately it had to go through central and local agencies.

I was on a contract a few years ago, got talking to one of these tree hugging left wing types.

He was telling me a story which I have no reason to doubt.

There was a calamity in some African country, the relief started flying in etc.

The NGOs were told, if you want to distrubute this aid it must be transported by this company and you will pay us for using this company.

Not saying this is happening in the PI, but its a reason why some of these banana republics have the reputation they have.

[soomak]

The Philippines is sorrounded by warm bodies of ocean water thats why Philippines are always visited by typhoons. My country battered by cyclones that form over the pacific ocean it also lies along the pacific ring of fire where tectonic plates collide and about 80% of the largest occur. I'm from Philippines and I watched several typhoons. We filipinos are tired from criticism saying that my country are poor. You guys didn't know what we are going through you are not in Philippines to experience of waking up at night to run and to save our life because of typhoon. We can handle all the pains but its hard to accept the criticism from other people because they don't understand our situation.we are working hard to have a better life, work and save to build a beautiful house but in just an hour typhoon will destroy all.

The Philippines is a poor country, that's a fact, not criticism.

If any country is criticized here, it's Thailand and China - for not doing enough to help it's neighbor country.

I am sure all the people on this forum wish the best to all the victims.

[Travel2003]

The Philippines is sorrounded by warm bodies of ocean water thats why Philippines are always visited by typhoons. My country battered by cyclones that form over the pacific ocean it also lies along the pacific ring of fire where tectonic plates collide and about 80% of the largest occur. I'm from Philippines and I watched several typhoons. We filipinos are tired from criticism saying that my country are poor. You guys didn't know what we are going through you are not in Philippines to experience of waking up at night to run and to save our life because of typhoon. We can handle all the pains but its hard to accept the criticism from other people because they don't understand our situation.we are working hard to have a better life, work and save to build a beautiful house but in just an hour typhoon will destroy all.

The Philippines is a poor country, that's a fact, not criticism.

If any country is criticized here, it's Thailand and China - for not doing enough to help it's neighbor country.

I am sure all the people on this forum wish the best to all the victims.

Philippines is not a neighbor country pal.

Look at a map.

I guess we all know about the tiny amount China started out with, then upped it a bit.

But if we pay attention we also know that China does this as a symbolic gesture, since the 2 countries are in a bitter argument over territory.

What has Thailand given so far, since it is too little?

Surely you know what they have given, since you state it is too little.

Finally, for all critics, what should Thailand give, and what did your country give?

Sum or per capita?

[NeverSure]

-snip-

Finally, for all critics, what should Thailand give, and what did your country give?

Sum or per capita?

I don't know, and it isn't all cash or supplies. I can tell you that it costs a billion US dollars a year to operate this Nimitz-class carrier group, and that doesn't include the acquisition cost.

"The aircraft carrier USS George Washington and a contingent of seven supply ships arrived in the Philippine Sea early Thursday, and began delivering water and emergency rations to the wrecked city. The carrier also has medical facilities and can produce 1.5 million liters of fresh water (from sea water) a day. One of the ships in the carrier group, the USNS Charles Drew, made its first delivery of food and drinking water to the storm ravaged city of Tacloban Thursday."

"The giant hospital ship USS Mercy also is making emergency preparations to depart the United States, and is expected to join the emergency flotilla within weeks, along with the British carrier HMS Illustrious." Link

[Jackson86]

Why suddenly criticise thailand for not giving more? Please don't use this disaster to justify an ever-rising donation campaign. Leave it to the governments. You are just one person. Donating is voluntary not ccompulsory. No matter what amount, your donation will always be appreciated.

[Travel2003]

-snip-

Finally, for all critics, what should Thailand give, and what did your country give?

Sum or per capita?

I don't know, and it isn't all cash or supplies. I can tell you that it costs a billion US dollars a year to operate this Nimitz-class carrier group, and that doesn't include the acquisition cost.

"The aircraft carrier USS George Washington and a contingent of seven supply ships arrived in the Philippine Sea early Thursday, and began delivering water and emergency rations to the wrecked city. The carrier also has medical facilities and can produce 1.5 million liters of fresh water (from sea water) a day. One of the ships in the carrier group, the USNS Charles Drew, made its first delivery of food and drinking water to the storm ravaged city of Tacloban Thursday."

"The giant hospital ship USS Mercy also is making emergency preparations to depart the United States, and is expected to join the emergency flotilla within weeks, along with the British carrier HMS Illustrious." Link

The thought behind deploying the fleet in that area has 2 objectives.

We all know that.

A bunch of Bulk and container ships would have carried more stuff.

believe me, I know (11 years in navy and 20 in merchant fleet).

Reverse Osmosis (RO) and Eva's (evaporators) are "off the shelf" equipment for most ships, so not really impressive.

Having said that, in the end of the day good stuff indeed they can deploy them so fast for aid purposes.

By the way, correct me if wrong, but I think Thailand has collected 90 million baht so far?

Edited November 16, 2013 by Travel2003

[OZEMADE]

-snip-

Finally, for all critics, what should Thailand give, and what did your country give?

Sum or per capita?

I don't know, and it isn't all cash or supplies. I can tell you that it costs a billion US dollars a year to operate this Nimitz-class carrier group, and that doesn't include the acquisition cost.

"The aircraft carrier USS George Washington and a contingent of seven supply ships arrived in the Philippine Sea early Thursday, and began delivering water and emergency rations to the wrecked city. The carrier also has medical facilities and can produce 1.5 million liters of fresh water (from sea water) a day. One of the ships in the carrier group, the USNS Charles Drew, made its first delivery of food and drinking water to the storm ravaged city of Tacloban Thursday."

"The giant hospital ship USS Mercy also is making emergency preparations to depart the United States, and is expected to join the emergency flotilla within weeks, along with the British carrier HMS Illustrious." Link

The thought behind deploying the fleet in that area has 2 objectives.

We all know that.

A bunch of Bulk and container ships would have carried more stuff.

believe me, I know (11 years in navy and 20 in merchant fleet).

Reverse Osmosis (RO) and Eva's (evaporators) are "off the shelf" equipment for most ships, so not really impressive.

Having said that, in the end of the day good stuff indeed they can deploy them so fast for aid purposes.

By the way, correct me if wrong, but I think Thailand has collected 90 million baht so far?

I wonder how much of that 90 million gets to the disaster as aid or cash. Give myself an uppercut the cash wont leave Thailand.

[Travel2003]

I wonder how much of that 90 million gets to the disaster as aid or cash. Give myself an uppercut the cash wont leave Thailand.

You are probably right.

Sad indeed.

All the honest ones here donating, and to whom?

[Shancloudy]

Many thais went to Philippine embassy personally to give their help to the Philippines as of now the embassy received more than 15,000 kilos of food and anything.

We are very thankful for all the help that we receive. We are thankful for all the support, kindness, generosity and humanity of the foreign people who help filipino victims all deeds forever written in the hearts of filipinos.

We filipinos are thankful for all the people who give their kind message to all victims. Every kind word can help, can change the life it creates confidence to them to not to give up because the world loves them.

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[Travel2003]

Many thais went to Philippine embassy personally to give their help to the Philippines as of now the embassy received more than 15,000 kilos of food and anything.

We are very thankful for all the help that we receive. We are thankful for all the support, kindness, generosity and humanity of the foreign people who help filipino victims all deeds forever written in the hearts of filipinos.

We filipinos are thankful for all the people who give their kind message to all victims. Every kind word can help, can change the life it creates confidence to them to not to give up because the world loves them.

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I have worked with 1000s of your countrymen.

You are a strong people, used to so many negative things which life can throw at You.

Not many nationalities are willing to sacrifice so much for their families as You do.

The entire world are with You in this.

I know You will soon walk tall again.

[harryfrompattaya]

I was thinking the same.

I saw on BBC World News this morning all the people suffering with no food or water. Thailand has tonnes of rice. Why not send some to help these poor people.

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We all know Thailand gives the most. It is the Hub of Giving