British woman, 21, whose ‘drinks were spiked in Thailand’ survives 30ft fall from hotel balcony

[NamKangMan]

Let`s wait for the outcome for the tox screening done here.My bet it will fizzle out to nothing as all other cases here,because there is nothing to be found in the samples.

I'm guessing they won't find anything either.

They didn't find anything at the Death Town Inn in CM.

They didn't find anything at the Death Guesthouse in Phi Phi.

I'm guessing if you gave them a mirror and let them use both hands, they couldn't find their own arse either!

Finding anything that tarnishes Phuket's image is always difficult here.

[disagree]

Manages to puke most of it out and somehow escapes. Trashes it the next day for spiked drink.

How could he be certain that his drink was spiked?

Ruled out food poisoning, used to heat, used to alcohol, single guy, reports in area of spiked drinks to make people careless with money/rob them, signs of alcohol poisoning/similar effects after 2nd beer?

This is a prevalent issue in Thailand ( since many years... ), with many warnings given, also by embassies etc. If you go to the full moon party the spiked drinks are even advertised as 'extra kick' - poisoned with non-digestible and dangerous fluids. Sometimes simply with meth-based drugs or hallucinogens, etc. If you google for the term 'spiked drinks thailand', you'll get enough of other stories and warnings.

It's a bit(?) ignorant to dismiss the situation here and the victims as if it's not happening if they haven't experienced it on themselves.

PS: Looked it up, it was in Rock City.

Apparently he wasn't the only one :

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g293920-d654418-r145821157-Rock_City-Phuket.html and http://www.tripadvisor.ie/ShowUserReviews-g297930-d1866109-r123276330-Bangla_Road-Patong_Kathu_Phuket.html

Edited November 23, 2013 by disagree

[IrishIvan]

I remember when there was a rumour going around about spiked bottles of Sang Som. Some of the more shall we say 'rum connoisseurs' of Chalong were claiming that it must have had amphetamine in it because they would go crazy and stay up all night.

I explained to them that it had the same effect on me also, when drinking a one liter bottle of rum which is pure sugar and alcohol with 2 liters of coca - cola which is sugar and caffine, its no wonder you are going to be bouncing off the walls

[IrishIvan]

I remember when there was a rumour going around about spiked bottles of Sang Som. Some of the more shall we say 'rum connoisseurs' of Chalong were claiming that it must have had amphetamine in it because they would go crazy and stay up all night.

I explained to them that it had the same effect on me also, when drinking a one liter bottle of rum which is pure sugar and alcohol with 2 liters of coca - cola which is sugar and caffine, its no wonder you are going to be bouncing off the walls

I should ad, thats without eating anything all night

[disagree]

I remember when there was a rumour going around about spiked bottles of Sang Som. Some of the more shall we say 'rum connoisseurs' of Chalong were claiming that it must have had amphetamine in it because they would go crazy and stay up all night.

I explained to them that it had the same effect on me also, when drinking a one liter bottle of rum which is pure sugar and alcohol with 2 liters of coca - cola which is sugar and caffine, its no wonder you are going to be bouncing off the walls

Those anecdotes are interesting but pretty irrelevant?

[stevenl]

I remember when there was a rumour going around about spiked bottles of Sang Som. Some of the more shall we say 'rum connoisseurs' of Chalong were claiming that it must have had amphetamine in it because they would go crazy and stay up all night.

I explained to them that it had the same effect on me also, when drinking a one liter bottle of rum which is pure sugar and alcohol with 2 liters of coca - cola which is sugar and caffine, its no wonder you are going to be bouncing off the walls

 

Those anecdotes are interesting but pretty irrelevant?

They cast doubt on your opinion, so you just dismiss as irrelevant.

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[chrisinth]

Quick question.

Is a drink considered to be spiked if the customer orders it fully aware that 'additives' have been put in it?

Or even if the drink is marked (or identified as) 'special' and the customer orders and consumes anyway?

In no way am I suggesting that spiking doesn't happen in Thailand, but usually if someone spikes a drink, it is a targeted victim with ulterior motives in mind. In this case, the victim returns to her hotel alone and is escorted alone to her room. CCTV coverage and hotel staff confirm this.

That it was stated that she was apparently arguing with someone in her room before the fall is perhaps where the authorities want to focus their attention.

Just sayin', cryptically.....................

[LaraC]

As is Thaivisa style, launch upon the supposed victim instantly and by cynical and negative.
Pretty good indication of the kind of mentality of the people here.

Compassion and concern is left to the normal folks.

[disagree]

I remember when there was a rumour going around about spiked bottles of Sang Som. Some of the more shall we say 'rum connoisseurs' of Chalong were claiming that it must have had amphetamine in it because they would go crazy and stay up all night.

I explained to them that it had the same effect on me also, when drinking a one liter bottle of rum which is pure sugar and alcohol with 2 liters of coca - cola which is sugar and caffine, its no wonder you are going to be bouncing off the walls

Those anecdotes are interesting but pretty irrelevant?

They cast doubt on your opinion, so you just dismiss as irrelevant.

You're saying that one anecdote about some people not being able to sleep after some bottle of rum+coke is casting doubt on... countless reports of people being drugged, then robbed, raped and/or killed?

Is this for real?

[Yahooka]

As is Thaivisa style, launch upon the supposed victim instantly and by cynical and negative.

Pretty good indication of the kind of mentality of the people here.

Compassion and concern is left to the normal folks.

So who is the "normal" folks ?

[LaraC]

As is Thaivisa style, launch upon the supposed victim instantly and by cynical and negative.

Pretty good indication of the kind of mentality of the people here.

Compassion and concern is left to the normal folks.

So who is the "normal" folks ?

Shit.

I should have factored in possible psydo-psychoanalysts who would jump on the "what is normal?" bandwagon. Silly me.

Ok..how about "compassion and concern is left to those who one might consider as having sound mind, who is in possession of all one's faculties, and meets generalised established social skills". I dunno, insert whatever you like.. (or maybe in this case its more about removing..but that would start a mudslinging match, so ill leave it at that.)

Edit: i know this is rather petty to point out, and i am certainly no Grammar guru, but what you should have written was "So who ARE the "normal" folks?. I realise others will pull up my grammatical errors, if they are petty also, and im prepared for that!

Edited November 24, 2013 by LaraC

[Yahooka]

As is Thaivisa style, launch upon the supposed victim instantly and by cynical and negative.

Pretty good indication of the kind of mentality of the people here.

Compassion and concern is left to the normal folks.

So who is the "normal" folks ?

Shit.

I should have factored in possible psydo-psychoanalysts who would jump on the "what is normal?" bandwagon. Silly me.

Ok..how about "compassion and concern is left to those who one might consider as having sound mind, who is in possession of all one's faculties, and meets generalised established social skills". I dunno, insert whatever you like.. (or maybe in this case its more about removing..but that would start a mudslinging match, so ill leave it at that.)

Edit: i know this is rather petty to point out, and i am certainly no Grammar guru, but what you should have written was "So who ARE the "normal" folks?. I realise others will pull up my grammatical errors, if they are petty also, and im prepared for that!

You know what? After reading through your psychoanalyst mumbo-jumbo and correcting my grammar (English is not my native language BTW) I would just say this : I`ll save my compassion with the ones who needs it and stupid holidaymakers who makes fools of themselves and blame others,thus creating sensational headlines here and abroad and with those actions tarnishes the little that is left of this islands reputation,for those I have NONE compassion whatsoever !!

[LaraC]

^ speaks volumes

[chrisinth]

As is Thaivisa style, launch upon the supposed victim instantly and by cynical and negative.

Pretty good indication of the kind of mentality of the people here.

Compassion and concern is left to the normal folks.

Hi LaraC,

Not sure if that barb was directed at my post #67 (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/683097-british-woman-21-whose-drinks-were-spiked-in-thailand-survives-30ft-fall-from-hotel-balcony/?p=7074516) or not.

My comments were based on a bias media report who immediately pointed to a spiked drink as being responsible for the accidental fall of the British girl. This is of course before any toxicology or blood alcohol concentration test results have been obtained.

My questions as to what is reasonable use of the word 'spiked' I think is relevant. Perhaps it is just my experience, but unless things have changed dramatically over the last few decades, the students that I have known, on holiday after their finals, tended to be a bit adventurous. When two students state that their prime intention was going out for a drink, and 5 hours later one of them arrives back at the hotel 'disorientated', that to me would be about normal. This is of course without generalizing, just my experience.

Of course, the girl has claimed to have only had two alcoholic drinks all night, which is possible as she could have been on soft drinks as well. It would then come down to what she had actually drank, and was she aware of what she was drinking.

There is no denial that 'spiking' happens here, my questions were what defines spiking, and that focus should be directed on what happened after she was escorted (alone) to her room.

If we are ever privy to the test results, I think that should shed light on what may have happened to this unfortunate girl.

My comments are my own, it is what I interpolate from the reports, not what I blindly read....................

[IrishIvan]

I hope the Phuket News follows this up. Ill wager my honda dream the results come up negative

[FiftyTwo]

As is Thaivisa style, launch upon the supposed victim instantly and by cynical and negative.

Pretty good indication of the kind of mentality of the people here.

Compassion and concern is left to the normal folks.

So who is the "normal" folks ?

Normal folks.

Those that don't leave their home county apart from their 2 week annual vacations.

[LaraC]

As is Thaivisa style, launch upon the supposed victim instantly and by cynical and negative.

Pretty good indication of the kind of mentality of the people here.

Compassion and concern is left to the normal folks.

Hi LaraC,

Not sure if that barb was directed at my post #67 (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/683097-british-woman-21-whose-drinks-were-spiked-in-thailand-survives-30ft-fall-from-hotel-balcony/?p=7074516) or not.

My comments were based on a bias media report who immediately pointed to a spiked drink as being responsible for the accidental fall of the British girl. This is of course before any toxicology or blood alcohol concentration test results have been obtained.

My questions as to what is reasonable use of the word 'spiked' I think is relevant. Perhaps it is just my experience, but unless things have changed dramatically over the last few decades, the students that I have known, on holiday after their finals, tended to be a bit adventurous. When two students state that their prime intention was going out for a drink, and 5 hours later one of them arrives back at the hotel 'disorientated', that to me would be about normal. This is of course without generalizing, just my experience.

Of course, the girl has claimed to have only had two alcoholic drinks all night, which is possible as she could have been on soft drinks as well. It would then come down to what she had actually drank, and was she aware of what she was drinking.

There is no denial that 'spiking' happens here, my questions were what defines spiking, and that focus should be directed on what happened after she was escorted (alone) to her room.

If we are ever privy to the test results, I think that should shed light on what may have happened to this unfortunate girl.

My comments are my own, it is what I interpolate from the reports, not what I blindly read....................

Hey. No. It was directed at those that say serve her right, without benefit of doubt. ..particularly the sicko who gave a run down of how she must have launched herself out from the balcony because she got turned down by some Thai guys or something mundane like that. It is very rare for anyone, particularly when having fun on holiday, to just decide to launch themselves out of a window. The chances of something a little more sinister having happened is higher than someone having one too many. Most drunk people do not decide to launch themselves out of windows for no reason..they usually fall flat on their face in a pool of their own dribble.

[LaraC]

As is Thaivisa style, launch upon the supposed victim instantly and by cynical and negative.

Pretty good indication of the kind of mentality of the people here.

Compassion and concern is left to the normal folks.

So who is the "normal" folks ?

Normal folks.

Those that don't leave their home county apart from their 2 week annual vacations.

..please see my previous attempt at clarification of "normal" below. (p.s. Lived here full time for many years, can speak, read and write Thai. Have many Thai friends, who seem to have no problems with showing compassion and concern for others. I didnt realise showing compassion and concern wasnt applicable to expats. ..or maybe im just not old and cynical enough?)

Shit.

I should have factored in possible psydo-psychoanalysts who would jump on the "what is normal?" bandwagon. Silly me.

Ok..how about "compassion and concern is left to those who one might consider as having sound mind, who is in possession of all one's faculties, and meets generalised established social skills". I dunno, insert whatever you like.. (or maybe in this case its more about removing..but that would start a mudslinging match, so ill leave it at that.)

Edit: i know this is rather petty to point out, and i am certainly no Grammar guru, but what you should have written was "So who ARE the "normal" folks?. I realise others will pull up my grammatical errors, if they are petty also, and im prepared for that!

Edited November 26, 2013 by LaraC

[FiftyTwo]

Normal folks.

Those that don't leave their home county apart from their 2 week annual vacations.

..please see my previous attempt at clarification of "normal" below. (p.s. Lived here full time for many years, can speak, read and write Thai. Have many Thai friends, who seem to have no problems with showing compassion and concern for others. I didnt realise showing compassion and concern wasnt applicable to expats. ..or maybe im just not old and cynical enough?)

Yes, I don't class you as normal.

Speaking more than one language isn't normal (unless you are from a bi-lingual country like Belgium).

Normal people aren't all that adventurous or interesting (generally) and live very limited lives.

[Bpuumike]

Normal folks.

Those that don't leave their home county apart from their 2 week annual vacations.

..please see my previous attempt at clarification of "normal" below. (p.s. Lived here full time for many years, can speak, read and write Thai. Have many Thai friends, who seem to have no problems with showing compassion and concern for others. I didnt realise showing compassion and concern wasnt applicable to expats. ..or maybe im just not old and cynical enough?)

Yes, I don't class you as normal.

Speaking more than one language isn't normal (unless you are from a bi-lingual country like Belgium).

Normal people aren't all that adventurous or interesting (generally) and live very limited lives.

I am English born and bred and speak 3 languages fluently and a working knowledge of 2 more. Consider myself normal.

Well, ocaissionally.

Whatever the circumstances the young lady, 'pretty' or not was extremely lucky.

[Guitar God]

CCTV footage showed her leaving the bar alone and entering the hotel alone? If she was being assulted, the only other explanation would be that is was by a ghost. There are a lot of them here, at least according to most of my Thai friends.

I wouldn't expect much from the toxicology reports either as there are substances that could be ingested that would intensify intoxication that are difficult to detect, even a few hours after ingestion.

I suspect she consumed more than she realized and that, coupled with heat or drinking on an empty stomach, she felt ill, went back to her hotel, went out on the balcony for some fresh air, passed out and fell. The assult may be a false memory caused by the trauma and her condition prior ot the fall.

Other than that, she was very lucky to have sustained such minor injuries.

[BusyBee123]

As is Thaivisa style, launch upon the supposed victim instantly and by cynical and negative.

Pretty good indication of the kind of mentality of the people here.

Compassion and concern is left to the normal folks.

I think people are cynical due to the amount of times supposed victims are then proven to be bullshitters. The aussie girl who cried rape is a case in point. I don't think it's a case of the mentality of people on here it is more a case of the years of experience people have on here..

[LaraC]

As is Thaivisa style, launch upon the supposed victim instantly and by cynical and negative.

Pretty good indication of the kind of mentality of the people here.

Compassion and concern is left to the normal folks.

I think people are cynical due to the amount of times supposed victims are then proven to be bullshitters. The aussie girl who cried rape is a case in point. I don't think it's a case of the mentality of people on here it is more a case of the years of experience people have on here..

No matter how many times i hear of a circumstance where a woman says she was assaulted (or a man for that matter), which turns out to be a false accusation, do i then assume the next person who claims to be assaulted must be lying. I may reserve judgement till i know all the facts, or have an ELEMENT of cynisicm, but i dont launch out bitter statements about how she must have been rejected and serves her right. Big BIG difference there.