Philippines Girlfriend refused to travel for 14 days trip to Thailand

[wolf5370]

Maybe this help you ?

http://www.cfo.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1348:fiancee-spouses-and-other-partners-of-foreign-nationals&catid=140

the most dangerous place is the usa as it has the most slots allocated to it, safest place to go is Middle East and Other Countries as that only has one session

Maybe they can fit more in on the Middle East one - just a guy at the front with a bull-horn shouting "Don't Go!".

[menorah]

OP: FYI Philippines Immigration exit requirements for tourist visa if accompanied by a foreigner

http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1252&Itemid=103

This is a far more helpful 'post' than that of junkofdavid2 . Following the link & viewing Guidelines, it seems far more likely you both made an assumption that it was possible to travel without any prior attention to the Philippine government regs'.

If you're serious about the girl then perhaps it's worth another try but not before checking things out and preparing the necessary documents and even securing character references to be doubly sure.

Good luck.

[menorah]

OP: FYI Philippines Immigration exit requirements for tourist visa if accompanied by a foreigner

http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1252&Itemid=103

This is a far more helpful 'post' than that of junkofdavid2 . Following the link & viewing Guidelines, it seems far more likely you both made an assumption that it was possible to travel without any prior attention to the Philippine government regs'.

If you're serious about the girl then perhaps it's worth another try but not before checking things out and preparing the necessary documents and even securing character references to be doubly sure.

[Emdog]

I don't know about travel insurance, so maybe some of you are more aware, but is there coverage available if denied permission to board? Seems if there was a travel agency/immigration scam going on, the insurance companies that would have to pay for the ticket would get on top of that. Perhaps....

[feest monty]

I don't know about travel insurance, so maybe some of you are more aware, but is there coverage available if denied permission to board? Seems if there was a travel agency/immigration scam going on, the insurance companies that would have to pay for the ticket would get on top of that. Perhaps....

yes agree it is an insurance extortion scam too. you dont buy the insurance, you get bumped with no refund. been there done that dont fly anywhere any more and it been years.

note too that the airline manufacturers are going broke (search it )because no one wants to be scammed any more.

Edited November 24, 2013 by feest monty

[dao16]

Although no visa is required for a Philippine citizen, Philippine nationals who appear 'low-class' or even 'middle class' are questioned by Philippine immigration officials out of suspicion that they will work abroad illegally as house helpers, bar girls, or even teachers/tutors.

(I'm not putting down your girlfriend; and no use arguing whether she looks low class or not. As a westerner you cannot tell unless you've lived in the Philippines for a long period of time)

If the immigration official has reason to suspect that the person will try to find work abroad without going through the proper procedure, he/she can legally be offloaded from the plane.

I rather suspect Thai immigration would be more interested in an illegal worker, not Philippines immigration ! As for the assertion that air travel for Filipinos is now the exclusive domain of 'high class' individuals, whatever that means, well I'm astounded.

Take a long hard serious look at what you're saying. Filipinos, who are most often considered 2nd rate (not class) in comparison to a Thai National, do indeed travel to Thailand to take up better paid work than they can secure back home.

Poverty is endemic in the Philippines and there's a lot of support for anyone doing whatever they can to take care of family, even if it means working abroad.

Quite what reason an immigration official might have to suspect the young woman might be illegally seeking work, would have to be based upon some tangible evidence or information given. Looking into her eyes and making a 'gut' decision seems an unlikely discretionary mandate from higher authority.

On the other hand, if you're talking from a position of privileged information then perhaps you might honour us with its provenance.

Further, your statement; As a westerner you cannot tell unless you've lived in the Philippines for a long period of time). This is just plain stereotyping. It's like the Nazi assertion that Jews can be determined by the size of their nose !

Well, I don't know about telling a "hiso" from other people, although it can help to look like you have money (believe me, one time I had to have my wife take out 30,000 baht to show the %&^*()&^ at the airport so she could board the plane--when I was there in person I told the guy he was an idiot in nice words and that civilized people used things called banks and that I had many credit and debit cards). Also, my wife doesn't dress up like she is sweating money. She is clean and done up, but more in a hippy chick kind of way and isn't dripping gold and donning expensive bags or anything, which is what many Thais expect from a "mia falang." It wouldn't surprise me if some similar thing were going on in the PH.

It just seems like they put up as many barriers as possible. One time, I brought my wife's old passport as well to make sure that they could see she had many long-term visas where we were going already and had never overstayed, etc. When the airline guy showed up making a fuss, I explained that she had been many times and then handed him her old passport as proof. Guys response? "Why does she have two passports? That's illegal!" At that point, I did have to belittle him and explain that he was too stupid to not realize that he was looking at an expired passport that had a hole stamped through it. It really seems to be the only language they understand.

The thing is, many Asian women (my wife included) will just do what "authority" tells them and not question it. They crumble if you are an experienced traveler who can point out how dumb they are being. Who knows, maybe we will be turned back in the future. We have had some close calls.

[DGIE]

The slogan "More fun in The Philippines " in the Philippine embassy should be NO MORE FUND IN THE PHILIPPINES because it is corrupted by the government.

Philippine government cannot give work to their people and yet they prevent them from going out of the country accusing them of working abroad.

Bullshit to corrupt government officials and immigration officers!!!

So what if Filipino people go out in the Philippines to find a job abroad?

Why, can you give their needs? jobs?

You even make your countrymen poorer because of your rampant corruption and you never think of what is good to your countrymen!!!

by the way, I am a Filipino working here in Thailand for about 8 years now. I hate so much our government! I have no trust on them.

[tingtongteesood]

That really sucks !~ Sorry to hear this....

[DGIE]

gopis108 said:

Normally these things are always resolved with a little cash under the table-especially in Phillipines-and of course the officials make trouble just for that purpose-Did you try that at all?.Cheers.

I believe so. Many government officials in the Philippines are excellent to that. But you will find trouble if your under the table doesn't satisfy them.

[Shancloudy]

Sorry to hear your story. Maybe she did not answer the question of the immigration officer correctly.

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[DGIE]

Legs said:

The girl(s) should take a 1 day course at CFO . There is a type of counseling done for the interest of your friend(s) , to make her aware off danger in

overseas countrys .

This counts really for every philippina leaving the philippines. This is also a requirement for getting married with a foreigner.

Most Filipinos going out from the Philippines have better lives than when they were in their country.

[Tomtomtom69]

 

junkofdavid2

I understand and I know what you saying.

She does not looks low class but as a normal lady from 26 years old.

The intention was a two weeks holiday to Thailand arranged by myself.

I have been to the Philippines 50 times of the last 15 years.

If you have a Thai GF you can travel with her to almost any country in Asia

or even outside Asia as long as she has a visa for the country.

Thai immigration is just checking her passport, ticket and visa if needed.

They dnt question what your Thai GF is gone in Bali, Singapore, Malaysia, Japan or Philippines.

That is the big difference between Philippines and other countries such as Thailand.

 

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Believe me, ain't always so easy to travel with Thais, either. Had some aggravating experiences in other countries and even leaving Thailand. Usually it is fine when I shame them and tell them they are full of it (yeah, it has come down to me pulling the snob card on them...works every time). Other times, my wife just goes to Suvannaphum on her own and flies straight into where ever I am with no problem. I am not sure what sets them off at certain borders and certain dates, since we have had both, from it being a complete nightmare to it being nothing at all.

Not sure about the Philippines situation, though.

It's never a problem for Thai ladies to leave Thailand provided their documents are in order, whether they travel with a male "companion" or not. The Philippines examples sound completely bizarre to me, but that's because I know of no other countries where immigration officials act that way.

[DGIE]

jeroentak, if you have a work permit you can get your Filipino friend here in Thailand.

Prepare 2 copies each of your:

1. work permit

2. bank statement

3, passport xerox copy

4. Copies of plane tickets both the coming here and return to Philippines.

,

Go to Philippine embassy in Sukhumvit Road Soi 30(?) (but bear with the slowness of their services) and fill up the invitation letter form.

They will provide you a copy of all of all the requirements above with red ribbon seal.

You have to send these things to your friend but be sure that she will receive it before her flight so that she can bring it to show to the immigration officer.

[dao16]

The slogan "More fun in The Philippines " in the Philippine embassy should be NO MORE FUND IN THE PHILIPPINES because it is corrupted by the government.

Philippine government cannot give work to their people and yet they prevent them from going out of the country accusing them of working abroad.

Bullshit to corrupt government officials and immigration officers!!!

So what if Filipino people go out in the Philippines to find a job abroad?

Why, can you give their needs? jobs?

You even make your countrymen poorer because of your rampant corruption and you never think of what is good to your countrymen!!!

by the way, I am a Filipino working here in Thailand for about 8 years now. I hate so much our government! I have no trust on them.

I think it is a good idea to have those courses for women (or men) going abroad, because many of them don't know what they are getting into. It wouldn't be a bad idea for Thailand, either. I have personally talked women out of getting into really bad situations (a few situations that had all the bad signs related to human trafficking--but the women were very naive). However, maybe the government has gone overboard now? It seems a shame to stop filipinos from going abroad to support their families and make use of their work ethic and english skills.

[dao16]

 

junkofdavid2

I understand and I know what you saying.

She does not looks low class but as a normal lady from 26 years old.

The intention was a two weeks holiday to Thailand arranged by myself.

I have been to the Philippines 50 times of the last 15 years.

If you have a Thai GF you can travel with her to almost any country in Asia

or even outside Asia as long as she has a visa for the country.

Thai immigration is just checking her passport, ticket and visa if needed.

They dnt question what your Thai GF is gone in Bali, Singapore, Malaysia, Japan or Philippines.

That is the big difference between Philippines and other countries such as Thailand.

 

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Believe me, ain't always so easy to travel with Thais, either. Had some aggravating experiences in other countries and even leaving Thailand. Usually it is fine when I shame them and tell them they are full of it (yeah, it has come down to me pulling the snob card on them...works every time). Other times, my wife just goes to Suvannaphum on her own and flies straight into where ever I am with no problem. I am not sure what sets them off at certain borders and certain dates, since we have had both, from it being a complete nightmare to it being nothing at all.

Not sure about the Philippines situation, though.

It's never a problem for Thai ladies to leave Thailand provided their documents are in order, whether they travel with a male "companion" or not. The Philippines examples sound completely bizarre to me, but that's because I know of no other countries where immigration officials act that way.

Well, sorry, you are wrong about that. I was told before by others and didn't believe it. I had to experience it to know. And I know our situation was not unique. Usually it comes down to the airlines, not necessarily the outgoing Thai immigration. We had airlines not believing that she would come back. It is a thing here, too, but it sounds like the PH might have gone a little berserk about it.

[DGIE]

dao16 said:

I think it is a good idea to have those courses for women (or men) going abroad, because many of them don't know what they are getting into. It wouldn't be a bad idea for Thailand, either. I have personally talked women out of getting into really bad situations (a few situations that had all the bad signs related to human trafficking--but the women were very naive). However, maybe the government has gone overboard now? It seems a shame to stop filipinos from going abroad to support their families and make use of their work ethic and english skills.

Well, it would be up to the person's decision. When decided to go abroad, she/he has to think what is she going to have there.

Can not be said as a human trafficking if they will be given a decent job.

[DGIE]

Tomtomtom16 said:

The Philippines examples sound completely bizarre to me, but that's because I know of no other countries where immigration officials act that way.

Yeah, most people in Philippine government and immigration officers are idiots. They prevent their fellow Filipinos to go and find a better lives.

Filipinos don't just go out of country only to have a date (like maybe the purpose of the Filipina friend of the threat poster) or to marry foreigners. Most Filipinos go abroad to find a better job/pay than what they have in the Philippines.

It's good I can go out freely from the Philippines because of my work permit. Or else, I may have a quarrel with the immigration officer when I am stopped in going out of the country.

[dao16]

dao16 said:

I think it is a good idea to have those courses for women (or men) going abroad, because many of them don't know what they are getting into. It wouldn't be a bad idea for Thailand, either. I have personally talked women out of getting into really bad situations (a few situations that had all the bad signs related to human trafficking--but the women were very naive). However, maybe the government has gone overboard now? It seems a shame to stop filipinos from going abroad to support their families and make use of their work ethic and english skills.

Well, it would be up to the person's decision. When decided to go abroad, she/he has to think what is she going to have there.

Can not be said as a human trafficking if they will be given a decent job.

I don't think you understand the first part of what I was saying. I knew a Thai woman through my wife's group of friends. She was approached by an Arab man in Pattaya and was told she could make 3000 dollars a month, tax free, all expenses paid, working at Thai massage in the Ukraine. In Europe! They were using the idea that it was in Europe as a big selling point. Of course, the Ukraine is quite different and has plenty of women who can work at a casino there for next to nothing. As she had worked abroad, she knew more or less how it could work, but she didn't see all the dodgy signs with that particular job offer. It had all the elements of a big lie that could have changed her life for the worse.

Of course, for legitimate jobs, it is not trafficking. However, a lot of women in SE Asia fall for traps that seem obvious, but that they don't see as obvious. Sorry to say, many of your compatriots have met similar fates. The vast majority, of course, go abroad and work hard and make money. Still, it is good for them to have an idea of the red flags to look out for.

[feest monty]

What's wrong with Thai girls?

how long have you been here?

[feest monty]

The visa situation with single women in South east Asia is a moving beast. The chances are that despite what you are told the reason a visa is refused is because of age and age of consent. A woman less than 21 is a minor in many SE Asia countries and the age a woman may give a Westerner (farlang in Thia or Dayuhan in Tagalo) is often not the real one. The difference can be upto ten years.

The final thing, if you haven't fallen to the normal scam of a false ID, (generated to work in bars) is that they do not have the necessary financial credentials, for which only a relative can vouch. If the person has no steady job, and if you have no steady job, and no bank account in her name, or deeds to property, even in the ASEAN area movement can be restricted unless on a work sponsored visa or visit to a relative. If she was booked on a package holiday the problem may have been solved, but what the authorities are trying to prevent is people trafficking for prostitution. You may think it absurd, but something like 50% of White Westerners living in places like Phuket are purveyors in the sex industry, or at the very least, users.

This may all be why your friend's visa was refused. Often the real reason is not given to a White person, or it is only given to the girl, who often either does not understand or does not want you to know.

For more on the interaction of Filippina women and Dayuhans read the book SUGAR BABY by Mark Lindsay,released this month by Manhandle Press Ltd and available on Sony's Reader Store, Amazon or on Gardner Books' Hive.co.uk.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sugar-Baby-ebook/dp/B00G9A4VVY/ref=sr_1_23?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1383083385&sr=1-23&keywords=Sugar+Baby

i wouldnt say to prevent, but would say to control, who has access and privileged rights from,

thai girls in other sea countries i have seen are mostly always run by ex-police/military. i would also hazard to say that the thai girls like it that way. i assume likewise elsewhere. internal cambo for sure

Edited November 24, 2013 by feest monty

[feest monty]

you could also venture further; and indo accusses oz of spying

[Estrada]

I had a problem when going through immigration with my Thai wife of 20 years at Heathrow Airport. The stopped us and we had to wait 10 minutes while they checked her background. She had a valid visa and had lived in the UK for 2 years as well as spending time with me whilst I was working in Romania, Sabah, Cambodia, and Singapore. It is all to do with trafficking. I had a Thai Supermarket in London and we employed Thais who were married to Brits. 80% were sleeping around for money and looking for men with a lot more money than their husbands.

[johnnyj]

In the more corrupt countries, usually things like this can be cleared up by asking the official if there is anything they can do to help you,

asking if its possible to pay a bond or an express processing fee....

if its actually corruption they'll give you the under the table amount, and if its not corruption - most immigration departments have a concept of paying a bond which is refunded on exit/return - or they'll say no dice, in which case you are no worse off than before asking..

[slipperylobster]

There are requirements, and you have to prepare. Please read the post with the link to Philippine Immigration rules. Do not be surprised of anything in the Philippines..... bribery is a way of life, my buddy just puts a few twenties in the passport when he arrives there and asks fro a Balikbayan stamp. Girls exiting alone is not going to be simply a matter of having a passport. Many citizens if other countries are free to come and go without any other requirements, but this is not so in the Philippines. Overseas workers, Mafia/Trafficking agencies, lack of documentation (sometimes their names are spelled wrong on their birth certificates, and lawyers overcharge to fix this. Sometimes I wonder if the municipal halls get kickbacks.). I spent 15 years there and six years with Filipinas working in Japan. It is just big business sending girls overseas. Many do not come back, and many many many are staying in Japan now with no passports, working in small karaokes, living in dormitories.

[risky11]

I arranged a ticket for my Filipina gf in 2009 to meet me in BKK and she had no problem. However, I was not with her. She was single, never worked in a bar, etc. She changed some pesos upon arrival and caught a taxi to soi 11 Sukhumvit and waited for me in the hotel room for 6 hours! Sorry to hear about this bullshit practice of refusing to let grown women board a plane AFTER they have already paid all taxes and fees. The PI govt sucks ass...

[phitsanulokjohn]

Sounds more akin to a communist country.

[slipperylobster]

Sounds more akin to a communist country.

Talk to the NPA over there...cuz they sure want that.

Besides clans of power, <deleted>, NPA, Gangs and Mafia, and corruption from the bottom to the top, I have to speak well for the girls.

[kangeroo]

Yes a friend of mine had the same problem and the solution was to get enough references of her by middle class business owners after that they let her through .

Cheers .

[Nowisee]

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[GrantSmith]

you could also venture further; and indo accusses oz of spying

Ummm... Care to explain this little pearl?

FWIW there's no accusation of spying... It's been documented that it happened...