Scotland to become independent in March 2016 if referendum passes

[RuamRudy]

More proof, if it were needed, that Westminster does not represent the majority of the population. And another reason to vote YES.

"A few days after it was revealed that an NHS group is considering charging patients for the crutches, walking sticks and neck braces it issues, we discovered that David Cameron has intervened to keep the cost of gun licences frozen at £50: a price that hasn't changed since 2001.

The police are furious: it costs them £196 to conduct the background checks required to ensure shotguns are issued only to the kind of dangerous lunatics who use them for mowing down pheasants, rather than to the common or garden variety. As a result they – sorry, we – lose £17m a year, by subsidising the pursuits of the exceedingly rich...http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/28/britain-plutocrats-landed-gentry-shotgun-owners

To be fair, this is merely the Tory Party following their ideals and pushing through wealth redistribution measures. Of course, the Nasty Party's idea of wealth redistribution means taking money from the working classes and putting it in theirs and their friends' pockets, but you have to admire their dedication to the cause despite the revulsion it may (or may not) induce in the wider populous.

[wigantojapan]

Restriction on comments on Scottish BBC pages

[wigantojapan]

Academic condemns BBC Scotland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cmdRnb3Ic7M....

[wigantojapan]

Another link to the above post 1113

Reply, by Dr John Robertson, to the BBC (Ian Small, Head of Public Policy & Corporate Affairs) response to his interim research report: Fairness in the First Year? BBC and ITV coverage of the Scottish Referendum campaign from September 2012 to September 2013.

My research is the result of a powerful philosophical commitment over decades to 'grounded theory'; a form of research almost monastic in its restraint and in its potential to allow the data to tell the story that is there in the data and less so the story that lies in the researcher's baggage. None of the team is a nationalist.

I am a socialist, pacifist and feminist. I had no agenda to pursue other than genuine curiosity to explore the patterns of journalistic behaviour in a process of wide contemporary interest. It is my usual preference to study thought control in the context of military interventions, mega sporting events, surveillance and the environment – see my CV.

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-opinion/8679-uws-academic-responds-to-bbc-scotland-criticism-of-indy-news-study

[jpinx]

Who controls the media will win the vote. People vote like sheep,,,,,

[wigantojapan]

Who controls the media will win the vote. People vote like sheep,,,,,

That is why the social media is so so important ,that is is wrestling the power and the control away from the state, financial institute media as we speak..

[jpinx]

Who controls the media will win the vote. People vote like sheep,,,,,

That is why the social media is so so important ,that is is wrestling the power and the control away from the state, financial institute media as we speak..

Media controls the masses -- it used to be that the "media" was the church, there being limited publication of ideology in other mass formats. Then it became the "papers", but now it is the TV and the internet. Why do you think Suthep is always targetting the TV stations, and China totally controls their internet.

Also -- watch for other developments like profiling the yes campaign supporters for "additional scrutiny" by Westminsters taxmen as per the USA's IRS did the teaparty.

[nontabury]

Who controls the media will win the vote. People vote like sheep,,,,,

So if there is a yes vote, can the opponents blame the SNP Internet properganda?

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[nontabury]

Who controls the media will win the vote. People vote like sheep,,,,,

If that is so, how come UKIP is doing so well, it seems that the media is definitely against them, yet the electorate is showing that they can think for themselves. Some would say that the electorate is pushing UKIP, as opposed to the SNP pushing the electorate.

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[RuamRudy]

Who controls the media will win the vote. People vote like sheep,,,,,

If that is so, how come UKIP is doing so well, it seems that the media is definitely against them, yet the electorate is showing that they can think for themselves. Some would say that the electorate is pushing UKIP, as opposed to the SNP pushing the electorate.

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Who would say that? Please provide examples so that their assertions might be scrutinised.

[jpinx]

Who controls the media will win the vote. People vote like sheep,,,,,

If that is so, how come UKIP is doing so well, it seems that the media is definitely against them, yet the electorate is showing that they can think for themselves. Some would say that the electorate is pushing UKIP, as opposed to the SNP pushing the electorate.

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Who would say that? Please provide examples so that their assertions might be scrutinised.

Ignore him ,) "...doing so well...." is not exactly a statement that can be verified

[nontabury]

Who controls the media will win the vote. People vote like sheep,,,,,

If that is so, how come UKIP is doing so well, it seems that the media is definitely against them, yet the electorate is showing that they can think for themselves. Some would say that the electorate is pushing UKIP, as opposed to the SNP pushing the electorate.

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Who would say that? Please provide examples so that their assertions might be scrutinised.

Every opinion poll that I've read give UKIP an ever increasing % of voters intentions, the latest is around 32%, it should't be to difficult for you to find the relevant information.

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[wigantojapan]

well the Mi5 have been spying on the SNP since the 1950s ..Here is more on the news that never got into the . news Welcome to the fifth of our now bi-monthly series looking back at the stories which the main stream media in Scotland didn't offer much attention to, and comparing them to those that hit the front pages.

The 'no' campaign's well fertilized grass roots

The organisation 'vote no borders' was highlighted by the BBC as "A new grassroots pro-Union group. A report in the excellent Craig Murray blog describes in detail just how far the British State Broadcaster is willing to stoop to shore up a 'no' vote.

http://sign4scotland.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/not-in-news-early-may.html......

[RuamRudy]

Who controls the media will win the vote. People vote like sheep,,,,,

If that is so, how come UKIP is doing so well, it seems that the media is definitely against them, yet the electorate is showing that they can think for themselves. Some would say that the electorate is pushing UKIP, as opposed to the SNP pushing the electorate.

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Who would say that? Please provide examples so that their assertions might be scrutinised.

Every opinion poll that I've read give UKIP an ever increasing % of voters intentions, the latest is around 32%, it should't be to difficult for you to find the relevant information.

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I do not disagree that UKIP appear to be making advances in England. Personally, I see this as a good thing because UKIP is widely, and rightly, recognised in Scotland as being the a party of racists and bigots, which should surely help people realise that a no vote risks us being further afflicted by the Nasty Party, with a bit of BNP-Lite thrown in (and totally deflates all the nonsense about whether Scotland would be permitted to remain in the EU - the Nasty Party want us out, BNP-Lite want us out).

What I was asking you to clarify was specifically, who would say that the SNP is pushing the electorate?

[RuamRudy]

The 'no' campaign's well fertilized grass roots

The organisation 'vote no borders' was highlighted by the BBC as "A new grassroots pro-Union group. A report in the excellent Craig Murray blog describes in detail just how far the British State Broadcaster is willing to stoop to shore up a 'no' vote.

http://sign4scotland.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/not-in-news-early-may.html......

I find it hugely dispiriting just how little attention this article has received in the media because the implications of what Craig Murray states are huge.

[wigantojapan]

Scotland is a Wealthy Nation but the people of Scotland do not greatly benefit from that wealth.

Scotland is held back by a combination of Westminster mismanagement of our economy and a lack of understanding on how to generate the wealth of a nation such as Scotland.

Wealthy Nation has been founded by a group of right of centre, business people, academics, creatives and entrepreneurs who wish to break the tired old politico-economic consensus and point out that people with what are often referred to as conservative views don’t need to be unionists, and that they should in fact support independence for Scotland.

Michael is the founder of and spokesperson for Wealthy Nation.

Midlife often brings changes and though these changes are often taken to add up to a crisis, they may in fact be much more positive than that: a decision to stop behaviour that has become unproductive and adopt behaviour that may be far more productive for the future.

I reached this point in 2007. I then renounced my membership of the Conservative Party – which I had held, man and boy, for nearly 40 years as an activist and candidate – and set myself instead the political goal of doing whatever I could to advance the cause of Scottish independence.

Nick Johnston

In 1999 Nick was elected to the Scottish Parliament as a Conservative MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife. In his first speech in the chamber as a callow, inexperienced politician, he levelled the charge at the late Donald Dewar that he lacked ambition for Scotland. His words then were: “If you never raise your eyes above the horizon you will never see the stars.” Today, nearly 15 years later, the more successful Scotland he believes most of us want is not only firmly in focus – it is within our reach.

Read more about Nick.

http://www.wealthynation.org/

To NONTEBURY IF you persist in posting that everything i send is SNP propaganda,,sorry i will challenge you on that and show you up for what your are....THE YES VOTE IS NOT ABOUT SNP....

[wigantojapan]

The 'no' campaign's well fertilized grass roots

The organisation 'vote no borders' was highlighted by the BBC as "A new grassroots pro-Union group. A report in the excellent Craig Murray blog describes in detail just how far the British State Broadcaster is willing to stoop to shore up a 'no' vote.

http://sign4scotland.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/not-in-news-early-may.html......

I find it hugely dispiriting just how little attention this article has received in the media because the implications of what Craig Murray states are huge.

As stated in some of my previous posts, it has been challenged , but Again the BBC denied bias and stuck to the party line that they are impartial..As we speak, there are petitions going on in Scotland now, for people to stop paying their license to the BBC, as the BBC has broke their rule of conduct as well as the BBC to stop their membership of CBI..

.It is the no campaign target to rely on the BBc and others to do their work for them as we all know who their backers are...

For a person like myself, this is no surprise having being involved with many protest groups in the past,,and knowing how much control and influence it has on people,,,you only need to see some of the comments here.,,,.Again it just exposed the myth, that Britain is a free and democratic country and we are the world leaders in such....It is shocking,,and even more so with so so much at stake,,,,but its a tactic that the British have used for centuries,,something which they did teach the world,,and still holds up today ,,very much so,,if you can read between the lines

[wigantojapan]

Who controls the media will win the vote. People vote like sheep,,,,,

If that is so, how come UKIP is doing so well, it seems that the media is definitely against them, yet the electorate is showing that they can think for themselves. Some would say that the electorate is pushing UKIP, as opposed to the SNP pushing the electorate.

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Who would say that? Please provide examples so that their assertions might be scrutinised.

Every opinion poll that I've read give UKIP an ever increasing % of voters intentions, the latest is around 32%, it should't be to difficult for you to find the relevant information.

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UKIP of course stands for UNITED KINGDOM INDEPENDENCE PARTY Does it not Nontebury....The polls you have read are ENGLISH POLLS are they NOT?

hardly UK polls..or is Scotland not in the UK...In Scotland you will find UKIP at around 11%..and that is 11% too much in my eyes.... .unless you want armed vigilantes on the streets

here's something afoot in the southern part of the UK, chiefly in England, and I'm forced to say it's very very scary.

How would you feel if you read this statement by Britain First and more importantly as a Muslim or some other brown skinned foreigner...

Here is a statement from Britain First, before reading it I must point out, this is a public offer to UKIP and as far as I'm aware UKIP have not responded in any way. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=460398084105458&set=a.346633882148546.1073741826.300455573433044&type=1.....There you go son you have your 3 minutes in the sun ......

[RuamRudy]

Who controls the media will win the vote. People vote like sheep,,,,,

If that is so, how come UKIP is doing so well, it seems that the media is definitely against them, yet the electorate is showing that they can think for themselves. Some would say that the electorate is pushing UKIP, as opposed to the SNP pushing the electorate.

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And as for the electorate pushing UKIP, seems like they are not keen on being pushed. In fact, they went to the police because they didn't like the truth being out there: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/12/police-ask-blogger-remove-legitimate-tweet-ukip

[wigantojapan]

Who controls the media will win the vote. People vote like sheep,,,,,

If that is so, how come UKIP is doing so well, it seems that the media is definitely against them, yet the electorate is showing that they can think for themselves. Some would say that the electorate is pushing UKIP, as opposed to the SNP pushing the electorate.

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And as for the electorate pushing UKIP, seems like they are not keen on being pushed. In fact, they went to the police because they didn't like the truth being out there: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/12/police-ask-blogger-remove-legitimate-tweet-ukip

You can bet the green party and its supporters are under closer police scrutiny than any off the White ukip members and supporters are

[wigantojapan]

http://www.youtube.com/attribution_link?a=N7Qx38rz8a0&u=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DO-AB4-TEhZw%26feature%3Dshare Welll said this English taxi driver....

[NoshowJones]

What about the free handouts from Scottish oil over the years.

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[NoshowJones]

How true.

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[7by7]

It is obvious from the many posts from certain quarters complaining of perceived biased reporting that these posters believe that media outlets which openly support and campaign for a 'yes' vote are fair and balanced whilst those that are even handed are biased against a 'yes' vote.

Of course, I am not denying that there are media outlets who do support a 'no' vote.

Do a search and you will find plenty of videos from the BBC, ITV, Sky etc. of Darling and other 'yes' campaigners being grilled and plenty of publicity for 'yes' campaigners. Salmond's speech at the SNP conference, for example, was shown in it's entirety live by the BBC.

[wigantojapan]

http://www.spreaker.com/user/michaelgreenwell/scotindypod-71-craig-murray?utm_source=widget&utm_medium=widget,

[NoshowJones]

If Scotland does become independent I will never vote for Salmond as he is in favour of homosexual marriages.

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[7by7]

I still await the Cameron / Salmond debate; interestingly, Cameron is reported to be thinking about debating with Nigel Farage.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/09/david-cameron-appeals-ukip-voters

I don't see how a report about possible TV debates leading up to next year's General Election has anything to do with this topic nor Scottish independence.

Incidentally, it is not just Farage that Cameron may debate with; from the Guardian article you linked to

In a sign that Cameron may be preparing to tackle Ukip head-on, he said for the first time that he would consider taking part in a television debate with all the party leaders. That could mean a head-to-head with Labour's Ed Miliband and a separate debate also involving Farage, Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg and the Green party leader, Natalie Bennett.

The answer to the question "Why wont Cameron debate Scottish independence with Salmond?" is simple, and has been answered many times. As Prime Minister, Cameron cannot get involved in the referendum campaign; on either side.

The real question is not why wont Cameron debate with Salmond? The real question is why wont the leader of the 'Yes' campaign, Salmond, agree to a TV debate with the leader of the 'No' campaign, Darling?

[NoshowJones]

The UK government allowed them in. So they can take them back.

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[wigantojapan]

It is obvious from the many posts from certain quarters complaining of perceived biased reporting that these posters believe that media outlets which openly support and campaign for a 'yes' vote are fair and balanced whilst those that are even handed are biased against a 'yes' vote.

Of course, I am not denying that there are media outlets who do support a 'no' vote.

Do a search and you will find plenty of videos from the BBC, ITV, Sky etc. of Darling and other 'yes' campaigners being grilled and plenty of publicity for 'yes' campaigners. Salmond's speech at the SNP conference, for example, was shown in it's entirety live by the BBC.

Care to share who in your opinion who the media outlets are that support a No vote? and interesting to know that Darling is a yes campaigner,,,Funny just saw him in the flesh a week ago and he was still representing the no side.

What is the perception of the FACT, that comments on the BBC Scotland page has been blocked/stopped.

Care to comment on that,,,or is the BBC one of your media outlets that support the NO side?

The obvious that you state i am afraid is only in your head,,.....I wait your reply, but i will go back to posting my posts and if you or any one care to put some input i you can,,but i am not going to get involved in petty personal insults which is very much a no tactic, as they have little or nothing to offer Scotland on why it would be better in the Union apart from that sweeping statement.

I debate with people on the Scottish pages with people who can vote...Here i am only showing a small amount of people what is happening in Scotland now as we speak .

To 7 by 7 this is a much better form of understanding the question of the referendum than most main stream media outlets enjoy

http://www.spreaker.com/user/michaelgreenwell/scotindypod-71-craig-murray?utm_source=widget&utm_medium=widget

[RuamRudy]

I still await the Cameron / Salmond debate; interestingly, Cameron is reported to be thinking about debating with Nigel Farage.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/09/david-cameron-appeals-ukip-voters

I don't see how a report about possible TV debates leading up to next year's General Election has anything to do with this topic nor Scottish independence.

Incidentally, it is not just Farage that Cameron may debate with; from the Guardian article you linked to

In a sign that Cameron may be preparing to tackle Ukip head-on, he said for the first time that he would consider taking part in a television debate with all the party leaders. That could mean a head-to-head with Labour's Ed Miliband and a separate debate also involving Farage, Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg and the Green party leader, Natalie Bennett.

The answer to the question "Why wont Cameron debate Scottish independence with Salmond?" is simple, and has been answered many times. As Prime Minister, Cameron cannot get involved in the referendum campaign; on either side.

The real question is not why wont Cameron debate with Salmond? The real question is why wont the leader of the 'Yes' campaign, Salmond, agree to a TV debate with the leader of the 'No' campaign, Darling?

Cameron cannot get involved in the referendum campaign? When he encourages people in the rest of the UK to phone the Scots and plead with them to stay, is that not getting involved?

Of course, this is all sabre rattling. If a Salmond / Cameron debate were to take place, Cameron knows that would lose hands down, even if he put up reasonable arguments for his position (which I don't believe exist). He has a demeanour and a personality that does not sit well with people north of the stockbroker belt so he has nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Darling has proven himself to be thoroughly useless with the BT campaign - but he has nothing to lose because he knows Salmond will not debate with him. So although the last thing he must want is a debate because he knows he would be a disaster, he also knows that Salmond cannot agree to it because then he would lose the moral high ground regarding Cameron.