Scotland to become independent in March 2016 if referendum passes

[smokie36]

Last from me on the grassroots movement no borders and who they really are

http://wingsoverscotland.com/while-were-investigating

/“Acanchi was established in 2003 as an independent and privately owned London based consultancy. This independence ensures its neutrality and objectivity.”

So everyone from voteNO BBC, fasttrack Whitehall civil servants and now these liggers are all neutral and objective

except/until they turn their brilliant minds to Scottish democracy

https://camfed.org/about/team/fiona-gilmore

/http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/Fiona_Gilmore

http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Acanch

iBut to make it appear Scottish, Vote No Borders is indicated to have an address as 26 Charlotte Square in Edinburgh. To those that are unfamiliar, this is one of the most prestigious & expensive addresses in the city.

In summary then, one wealthy Tory donator & one brand expert, both based in London & each with strong ties to various companies, institutions, quangos & charities based in England, team up to create an apparent grass roots movement in Scotland, based out of one of the most expensive addresses in Edinburgh.

Highly amusing this will be to the voters of Wester Hailes.....its just a shame there is no tram system in place to ferry them to the polling stations.

All just shows how utterly out of touch with the Scottish people the Tories really are.

I have enjoyed this thread so far....some interesting and informative comments from both sides of the fence and what strikes me most from talking to fellow Scots is how many are undecided one way or the other....but all want to be better informed.

The vote is yet to be won in my opinion....the better politics...or more positive argument might well snatch it in the final few weeks.

I wonder who that will favour.....?

[wigantojapan]

Many Scots are worried about the Mainstream Media (MSM) handling of coverage of the Scottish Independence Referendum and ask that The Scottish Government approach the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and request that the subordinate Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR) deploy immediately an election monitoring mission to cover the Referendum including the debate across radio, television and print media.

The SNP government and the Yes Scotland campaign have been subjected to continuous misrepresentation, by BBC Scotland and across all print MSM.

Bias is clear, by omission & commission, to such an extent that the Foreign Ministers of Eire and Luxembourg have both been forced to clarify comments on Scottish Independence which were, it seems, deliberately reported out of context

.http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/the-scottish-government-approach-the-osce-and-request-an-election-monitoring-mission

Some recent misrepresentation and blatant editing by the BBC who of course are a member of CBI

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/bbc-propaganda-hits-new-all-time-low/

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-opinion/9130-putin-the-boot-in-the-return-of-the-anti-salmond-smear-campaign

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news/9116-robertsons-call-for-nato-putin-invite-qinsultingq-says-uks-biggest-ukrainian-group

Exclusive - Trust finds BBC Scotland guilty of breaking guidelines over EU indy story

Former NI First Minister attacks BBC over indy 'NI peace threat' claimshttp://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/9136-former-ni-first-minister-attacks-bbc-over-indy-ni-peace-threat-claims

[nontabury]

Sorry I'm not good with computers, so don't know how to paste and post, but I would like to suggest that those who are interested in this subject, look on YouTube for a BBC newsnight debate on the 24/3rd between two very socialist Scots. The aim of both of these gentlemen is basically to have a socialist utopia. One of them Is Jim Sillars who is in favour of a Yes vote and George Galloway who is for a No vote. Very good debate.

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[wigantojapan]

The above post on the you tube video Jim Sillars and George Galloway was posted around 10 days ago.It was posted in response to the numerous posters who insist that the yes vote is only about Salmond and the SNP.

I can re post it if people wish

[evadgib]

What would happen to Scotland if we became independent? Read the myths, and realities, of the Scottish independence debate.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/scotland-the-uk-10-myths-10-facts

Edited May 7, 2014 by Scott

[phuketjock]

What would happen to Scotland if we became independent? Read the myths, and realities, of the Scottish independence debate.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/scotland-the-uk-10-myths-10-facts

Well eva nothing new there then just more blatant lies and doom and gloom from the

westminister dream machine in the guise of hoped for myths and highly doubtful facts.

And surprise, surprise it's from the gov.uk.com website.

Had you actually taken the time to read the thread you would have seen that they have

sadly mixed up the myths which are the facts and the facts stated are the myths.

BTW I live in Thailand and have been doing the UK lottery for years, sadly still waiting

for the big win, so myth no 2 is definitely busted!!!!

[NoshowJones]

Can we English people have a referendum to vote on if we want Scotland to remain in the United Kingdom? It seems to be all one way traffic. All these people getting referendums. English people never get referendums for anything.

Why should England want any referendums.

Only 100 years ago they ruled over around two thirds of the world.

Besides. Most of the Scots are too stupid to vote for independence.

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[nontabury]

Can we English people have a referendum to vote on if we want Scotland to remain in the United Kingdom? It seems to be all one way traffic. All these people getting referendums. English people never get referendums for anything.

Why should England want any referendums.

Only 100 years ago they ruled over around two thirds of the world.

Besides. Most of the Scots are too stupid to vote for independence.

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I think you've got it completely wrong, there will be a majority of Scott's who are stupid enough to vote for Separation. Much to the delight of many English people.

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[jpinx]

Same old stuff every time. It's a pity that people do not respect the ideals of democracy even a little bit. What is obvious is that the UK government is braying so much about not wanting to lose Scotland -- which kinda proves that Scotland is actually worth quite a lot

[jpinx]

What would happen to Scotland if we became independent? Read the myths, and realities, of the Scottish independence debate.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/scotland-the-uk-10-myths-10-facts

Well eva nothing new there then just more blatant lies and doom and gloom from the

westminister dream machine in the guise of hoped for myths and highly doubtful facts.

And surprise, surprise it's from the gov.uk.com website.

Had you actually taken the time to read the thread you would have seen that they have

sadly mixed up the myths which are the facts and the facts stated are the myths.

BTW I live in Thailand and have been doing the UK lottery for years, sadly still waiting

for the big win, so myth no 2 is definitely busted!!!!

Just read the "Ten Myths" propaganda from the gov.uk site referenced above and it is very clear that the main worry to Westminster is finances. They mention all sorts of other things in passing -- including currency, EU membership, and even dolly the sheep -- all of which are not too difficult to resolve, but the thrust of their argument indicates that they really do not want to lose control of Scottish government finances. Now that makes any sane person realise that there is something worth having in Scotland, which Westminster won't admit to wanting.

[NoshowJones]

Can we English people have a referendum to vote on if we want Scotland to remain in the United Kingdom? It seems to be all one way traffic. All these people getting referendums. English people never get referendums for anything.

Why should England want any referendums.

Only 100 years ago they ruled over around two thirds of the world.

Besides. Most of the Scots are too stupid to vote for independence.

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I think you've got it completely wrong, there will be a majority of Scott's who are stupid enough to vote for Separation. Much to the delight of many English people.

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I say Scotland will not vote to become an independent country. If you had lived a reasonable distance from me, I would have liked to bet you a good Farang meal that I am right.

[wigantojapan]

Embassy cables reveal 34 nations pressured by UK to oppose Scottish independence http://t.co/hep9sGJ9yC The Fiction of the Continuing State..Now i understand more clearly why Mario Puzo states that England has nuclear capacity and also Robert Ludlum writes the Prime minister of England... http://t.co/2Je3nSti7GCameron plants negative stories about indy in Spanish presshttp://www.weourselves.com/cameron-plants-negative-stories-about-indy-in-spanish-press/

[StreetCowboy]

 

Embassy cables reveal 34 nations pressured by UK to oppose Scottish independence http://t.co/hep9sGJ9yC The Fiction of the Continuing State..Now i understand more clearly why Mario Puzo states that England has nuclear capacity and also Robert Ludlum writes the Prime minister of England... http://t.co/2Je3nSti7GCameron plants negative stories about indy in Spanish presshttp://www.weourselves.com/cameron-plants-negative-stories-about-indy-in-spanish-press/

 

I'm delighted that my government wants to maintain the integrity of my country.

[wigantojapan]

http://www.weourselves.com/revelations-that-could-put-yes-above-50/1

- http://www.weourselves.com/herald-blows-lid-clean-off-camerons-covert-operations/ …

2 – http://www.weourselves.com/debunking-the-fiction-of-the-continuing-state/ … #indyref

3 - http://www.weourselves.com/cameron-plants-negative-stories-about-indy-in-spanish-press/

[Basil B]

I see some lucky Scott Euromillions winners have just bankrolled the SNP and Scotland Yes for £3million out of their £161M jackpot.

Ironic is it not, I assume after Independence (IF) Scotland will be cut off from the National Lottery and Euromillions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27323186

Edited May 8, 2014 by Basil B

[transam]

I see some lucky Scott Euromillions winners have just bankrolled the SNP and Scotland Yes for £3million out of their £161M jackpot.

Ironic is it not, I assume after Independence (IF) Scotland will be cut off from the National Lottery and Euromillions.

Wonder how they would have voted without the big win............. ....................... .

[casualbiker]

I wonder if Scotland will still have free university's when they have to pay for it all themselves?

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[wigantojapan]

[RuamRudy]

I see some lucky Scott Euromillions winners have just bankrolled the SNP and Scotland Yes for £3million out of their £161M jackpot.

Ironic is it not, I assume after Independence (IF) Scotland will be cut off from the National Lottery and Euromillions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27323186

Why would Scots be denied access to Euromillions? Does the UK government have a controlling say on who can participate, or are you showing signs of bitterness?

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[RuamRudy]

Can we English people have a referendum to vote on if we want Scotland to remain in the United Kingdom? It seems to be all one way traffic. All these people getting referendums. English people never get referendums for anything.

Why should England want any referendums.

Only 100 years ago they ruled over around two thirds of the world.

Besides. Most of the Scots are too stupid to vote for independence.

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I think you've got it completely wrong, there will be a majority of Scott's who are stupid enough to vote for Separation. Much to the delight of many English people.

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Can you please drop the childish invective and contribute in an adult fashion, or is that too much to ask for? People who do not share your views are not stupid; they simply hold a different perspective, based on different life experiences.

Also, please note that Scott's is a porridge maker. I think you mean Scots.

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[nontabury]

What would happen to Scotland if we became independent? Read the myths, and realities, of the Scottish independence debate.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/scotland-the-uk-10-myths-10-facts

Well eva nothing new there then just more blatant lies and doom and gloom from the

westminister dream machine in the guise of hoped for myths and highly doubtful facts.

And surprise, surprise it's from the gov.uk.com website.

Had you actually taken the time to read the thread you would have seen that they have

sadly mixed up the myths which are the facts and the facts stated are the myths.

BTW I live in Thailand and have been doing the UK lottery for years, sadly still waiting

for the big win, so myth no 2 is definitely busted!!!!

Just read the "Ten Myths" propaganda from the gov.uk site referenced above and it is very clear that the main worry to Westminster is finances. They mention all sorts of other things in passing -- including currency, EU membership, and even dolly the sheep -- all of which are not too difficult to resolve, but the thrust of their argument indicates that they really do not want to lose control of Scottish government finances. Now that makes any sane person realise that there is something worth having in Scotland, which Westminster won't admit to wanting.

You say currency is not too difficult to resolve, how do you make that out, if you mean that a separated Scotland can still use the Pound, but have no influence in it's control, in other words Scotland would be dependent on the UK Chancellor of the Exchequer, then I will agree with you. As for EU membership not being too difficult to resolve, again I don't know how you've come to that conclusion, the chief Eurocrats in Brussels have already knocked that suggestion back, in addition some of the existing states would be Completely against accepting a break away region, of an existing member. And lets not forget that even in the event of Scotland ever being permitted to join the EU, one of the requirements would be for Scotland to relinquish it's monetary controls to the Euro. Is that independence ?.

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[nontabury]

Sure Tesco will certainly trade in a separated Scotland, however will they keep their banking HQ there, very much doubt it. The same will go for most of the financial service companies,( see post 1038) they will move south along with the majority of their jobs.This will be very good news for the City of London, leaving the rump of the remaining Scottish financial institutions to battle on, in an ever increasing larger market without the back up of large economy. Iceland here we come.

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[wigantojapan]

Another scare story debunked by ........?https://www.facebook.com/533919023290523/photos/a.645863425429415.1073741827.533919023290523/861783843837371/?type=1The No camp's credibility on pensions is now beyond repair as their attempts to scare pensioners into voting for the status quo have now been laid bare for all to see. It is time for No to set the record straight and admit that in an independent Scotland, pensions will be paid on time and in full."

The No camp's credibility on pensions is now beyond repair as their attempts to scare pensioners into voting for the status quo have now been laid bare for all to see. It is time for No to set the record straight and admit that in an independent Scotland, pensions will be paid on time and in full."http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFRKJA1Y8Zw....

[Basil B]

I see some lucky Scott Euromillions winners have just bankrolled the SNP and Scotland Yes for £3million out of their £161M jackpot.

Ironic is it not, I assume after Independence (IF) Scotland will be cut off from the National Lottery and Euromillions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27323186

Why would Scots be denied access to Euromillions? Does the UK government have a controlling say on who can participate, or are you showing signs of bitterness?

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Must I be a UK resident/citizen to play?

Yes and No! The rules state that you should be in a country where it is legal to play lottery games online and that a resident of the UK or Isle of Man to play UK National Lottery games*.

http://www.lottery.co.uk/info/playing-overseas.asp

National Lottery operator Camelot will finally stop people that are overseas from accessing its website, three years after a This is Money story highlighted the issue of ineligible 'winning' prizes while abroad.

Back in the summer of 2009, we revealed how Camelot was selling online tickets to Britons on holiday, despite the terms and conditions stating the ticket had to be purchased in the UK or the Isle of Man in order for it to be valid.

That meant that any National Lottery, or even EuroMillions, tickets bought online when someone was abroad could not win - as highlighted by our reader Chris Jones who was told he could not have a £5,000 prize.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2131073/National-Lottery-website-finally-barred-abroad-years-selling-tickets-win.html

[wigantojapan]

[Commander Tamson]

What kinda puzzles me is that WE as a whole, that is Scotland, England, Wales & N.Ireland are the United Kingdom. If Scotland breaks away, then there no longer is, or should be, a country known as the United Kingdom. If the remaining 3 countries want to call themselves The United Kingdom - fine; but in reality they no longer are Thee United Kingdom. And like an independent Scotland should, by rights, have to renegotiate their membership to Europe, NATO etc. the whole thing IMHO is an f'ing bag of worms, which any decent political lawyer could poke a dozen holes in - only saying!

[Basil B]

Another scare story debunked by ........?https://www.facebook.com/533919023290523/photos/a.645863425429415.1073741827.533919023290523/861783843837371/?type=1The No camp's credibility on pensions is now beyond repair as their attempts to scare pensioners into voting for the status quo have now been laid bare for all to see. It is time for No to set the record straight and admit that in an independent Scotland, pensions will be paid on time and in full."

The No camp's credibility on pensions is now beyond repair as their attempts to scare pensioners into voting for the status quo have now been laid bare for all to see. It is time for No to set the record straight and admit that in an independent Scotland, pensions will be paid on time and in full."http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFRKJA1Y8Zw....

That only right that accumulated funds should be spit, but as I see it there are very little accumulated funds, as the UK state pension has always been a ponzi scheme, money raised in NI goes straight back to the pensioners, very little is invested.

So it is likely that Scottish pensions will have to come from Scottish NI payees, so how much the Scottish earners have to pay compared to UK earners I do not know.

[jpinx]

What would happen to Scotland if we became independent? Read the myths, and realities, of the Scottish independence debate.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/scotland-the-uk-10-myths-10-facts

Well eva nothing new there then just more blatant lies and doom and gloom from the

westminister dream machine in the guise of hoped for myths and highly doubtful facts.

And surprise, surprise it's from the gov.uk.com website.

Had you actually taken the time to read the thread you would have seen that they have

sadly mixed up the myths which are the facts and the facts stated are the myths.

BTW I live in Thailand and have been doing the UK lottery for years, sadly still waiting

for the big win, so myth no 2 is definitely busted!!!!

Just read the "Ten Myths" propaganda from the gov.uk site referenced above and it is very clear that the main worry to Westminster is finances. They mention all sorts of other things in passing -- including currency, EU membership, and even dolly the sheep -- all of which are not too difficult to resolve, but the thrust of their argument indicates that they really do not want to lose control of Scottish government finances. Now that makes any sane person realise that there is something worth having in Scotland, which Westminster won't admit to wanting.

You say currency is not too difficult to resolve, how do you make that out, if you mean that a separated Scotland can still use the Pound, but have no influence in it's control, in other words Scotland would be dependent on the UK Chancellor of the Exchequer, then I will agree with you. As for EU membership not being too difficult to resolve, again I don't know how you've come to that conclusion, the chief Eurocrats in Brussels have already knocked that suggestion back, in addition some of the existing states would be Completely against accepting a break away region, of an existing member. And lets not forget that even in the event of Scotland ever being permitted to join the EU, one of the requirements would be for Scotland to relinquish it's monetary controls to the Euro. Is that independence ?.

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already covered those points ...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/684081-scotland-to-become-independent-in-march-2016-if-referendum-passes/?view=findpost&p=7764551

[nontabury]

What would happen to Scotland if we became independent? Read the myths, and realities, of the Scottish independence debate.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/scotland-the-uk-10-myths-10-facts

Well eva nothing new there then just more blatant lies and doom and gloom from the

westminister dream machine in the guise of hoped for myths and highly doubtful facts.

And surprise, surprise it's from the gov.uk.com website.

Had you actually taken the time to read the thread you would have seen that they have

sadly mixed up the myths which are the facts and the facts stated are the myths.

BTW I live in Thailand and have been doing the UK lottery for years, sadly still waiting

for the big win, so myth no 2 is definitely busted!!!!

Just read the "Ten Myths" propaganda from the gov.uk site referenced above and it is very clear that the main worry to Westminster is finances. They mention all sorts of other things in passing -- including currency, EU membership, and even dolly the sheep -- all of which are not too difficult to resolve, but the thrust of their argument indicates that they really do not want to lose control of Scottish government finances. Now that makes any sane person realise that there is something worth having in Scotland, which Westminster won't admit to wanting.

You say currency is not too difficult to resolve, how do you make that out, if you mean that a separated Scotland can still use the Pound, but have no influence in it's control, in other words Scotland would be dependent on the UK Chancellor of the Exchequer, then I will agree with you. As for EU membership not being too difficult to resolve, again I don't know how you've come to that conclusion, the chief Eurocrats in Brussels have already knocked that suggestion back, in addition some of the existing states would be Completely against accepting a break away region, of an existing member. And lets not forget that even in the event of Scotland ever being permitted to join the EU, one of the requirements would be for Scotland to relinquish it's monetary controls to the Euro. Is that independence ?.

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already covered those points ...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/684081-scotland-to-become-independent-in-march-2016-if-referendum-passes/?view=findpost&p=7764551

Covered, but not satisfactorily answered. Unless you blindly accept the statements from the SNP.

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[nontabury]

Strange, I don't see any English or Scottish flags flying, so under which flags were the English and Scottish soldiers fighting under.

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