Suthep declares December 1 as "People's Victory Day"

[icare999]

Before I write my post let me first state my absolute dislike for Puea Thai and as someone who has lived in Bangkok for 6 years I will never forget the mayhem their hired thugs caused in 2010. I still feel hatred when I see the family across the street going out to a protest all dressed up in their red shirts.

BUT....

How in god's name can any foreigner even pretend to support this mob going around at the moment? Let's be very clear on this - they want to overthrow a democratically elected government and install a council of UNELECTED people of their own choosing to write a new constitution for the country. Can you imagine this happening in your own country and not being outraged?

Protest peacefully against the disgraceful amnesty bill? Brilliant

Protest against the corruption riddled rice scheme? Fantastic

Protest against the attempt to fiddle with the senate to consolidate power into fewer families? Superb

And you can even protest to put pressure on the government to dissolve the house and call a snap election, but when you refuse to even consider a snap election that is going against all of the ideals of democracy. All of the points that Suthep laid out in his six point plan can be achieved through a democratically elected parliament but the Democrats have never had the balls or the intelligence to get out there and win the working class vote.

Do people really want to see this country set back to zero by a bunch of old men with ideals more suited to 100 years ago? The government at the moment has many flaws but they were elected by the people. The thought of some council of old farts dictating a new constitution and acting like a bunch of feudal lords makes me sick to my stomach.

well I'm a forang and have been for last 30 years here and I support them 100%. I would say in reply how can any foreigner support or excuse Taksin and his reds thugs in any way. Dont give me that democracy crap elected. Call it what is it bought but not mainly by measly 500 baht given to deluded poor. Taksin is clever and buys the head of village and others who then tell their locals what is best for them. Hear of village scene ?? probably not. The government give money to head of each village for so called good works for village. IT was 1 million baht but Taksin promised to increase it to 2 million. NOw it might be possible their is somewhere a village head who uses this for good village projects but here in red village land it goes to those favoured by head of village as business loans or more simply for much needed things for village like new pickup for use by village head in his duties. Even if some little project is done it costs 20 times what it should and poor village brainwashed are so poor they have no idea what it should cost. Even if they did they would not dare go against head of village. This is not a democracy anymore than at least here in issan red land middle ages were a democracy. Its very feudal.

I would support anyone and anything that would remove Taksin and his evil clan since almost anything is better. THeir is some hope though in that a lot of young people are getting better educated even in red land villages and not so willing to just cow toe down to old ways. They are small in number at moment but with the Internet and social media the ugly truth about Taksin and notion they live in any form of democracy is slowly coming to surface.

Taksin dare not call and election since then the amnesty bill would be dead and even if he won again he would have to start all over again. If he manages to buy it again by a large margin I doubt he would dare come back.

Those Taksin brainwashed are totally clueless as to what is reality on the ground and I suspect most don't even live here or if they do have been also totally brainwashed.

Yingluk is totally irrelevant. Taksin has stated he does not believe democracy. IF they were not so scared why not just call an election but then the amnesty bill would be dead and that was probably the last chance to get their master back. This government have made it 100% clear that is only policy and thing they are interested in. That and plundering Thailand dry.

[Thaddeus]

I fully agree with Suthep occupying Dusit zoo.

Any chance he will try to turn in to a restaurant?

We're talkin about Suthep not Plodprasop.

Yes, I know.

It was a spot the difference question.

[bkkgooner]

The first sentence of my first post already expressed my dislike for Puea Thai. Puea Thai care only about being in power, they realized that poor people outnumber the rich in this country and so they targeted their policies towards them and then implemented them in a reckless or shoddy manner.

The Democrats also buy votes in the exact same manner, let's not insult each other's intelligence by claiming anything other than that fact.

But then again what do you care about votes? You are now supporting the creation of a people's council made up of UNELECTED people for the next "few" months.

[Sunderland]

I understand arguments made by people supporting or crying out against the actions of both sides. There are a number of grey areas of course.

I do wonder though about the argument about this being a legitimate government and the need to wait for elections at all costs.

Hypothetically if a government won 48% of the total vote and started executing people every day, should people just accept it and wait until the government decides when to call a new election, even if there is great discontent among the public. What discontent you may ask. It's only a few hundred thousand people.

But, the silent majority are not rising to quell the protests either, which is what many of them did do when the amnesty deal was rejected by the average member of public from all walks of life. Peua Thai made a big error there, and since then Mr. or Mrs. Average don't really care if Yingluck stays or goes now. They don't really care if Suthep is successful or not. This being the case, it's now a battle between those who do care among the government and anti-government protesters. I don't even think a lot of the police care anymore. They would rather not have to choose sides, even if their superiors have been handpicked by someone in Dubai.

Saturday through Monday will be an extremely interesting period with much to be won and lost, although true democracy remains light years away and will only be achieved through dealing with the current chaos step by step and battle by battle, even if it takes another 30 years to achieve. Lessons have to, and will eventually be learned by all sides. Perhaps those who are in primary school now, will constitute the first true democratic members of Parliament in the distant future.

Mr. and Mrs. Average have too many other daily concerns to join a protest for any political cause.

[philw]

Before I write my post let me first state my absolute dislike for Puea Thai and as someone who has lived in Bangkok for 6 years I will never forget the mayhem their hired thugs caused in 2010. I still feel hatred when I see the family across the street going out to a protest all dressed up in their red shirts.

BUT....

How in god's name can any foreigner even pretend to support this mob going around at the moment? Let's be very clear on this - they want to overthrow a democratically elected government and install a council of UNELECTED people of their own choosing to write a new constitution for the country. Can you imagine this happening in your own country and not being outraged?

Protest peacefully against the disgraceful amnesty bill? Brilliant

Protest against the corruption riddled rice scheme? Fantastic

Protest against the attempt to fiddle with the senate to consolidate power into fewer families? Superb

And you can even protest to put pressure on the government to dissolve the house and call a snap election, but when you refuse to even consider a snap election that is going against all of the ideals of democracy. All of the points that Suthep laid out in his six point plan can be achieved through a democratically elected parliament but the Democrats have never had the balls or the intelligence to get out there and win the working class vote.

Do people really want to see this country set back to zero by a bunch of old men with ideals more suited to 100 years ago? The government at the moment has many flaws but they were elected by the people. The thought of some council of old farts dictating a new constitution and acting like a bunch of feudal lords makes me sick to my stomach.

So for you it is acceptable that a government cheats, steals, lies and refuses to recognize decisions of the constitutional courts as long as they are elected ?

Nice broad brush there.

Where are the specific allegations, never mind proof of, cheating, theft and lies that have been brought out by the opposition.

It's all generalities and nothing brought to any court.

Regarding the Constitutional Court, it's origins explain why some people feel it is deserving of something less than respect.

[Bluespunk]

"Suthep declares December 1 as "People's Victory Day""

How very nice of him, I'll be sure to make a note in my diary.

Now where's that fun boy three album?

[NongKhaiKid]

The protest leader also announced formation of a new group called People's Committee for Changes of Thailand into Complete Democracy under Constitutional Monarchy.

Catchy.

Definitely. Love to see them get all of that printed on a T-shirt.

[isawasnake]

People's victory day? You mean for the same "people" that voted in the current PM? Now, after having been voted in "by the people", the "victory" will be to throw her out? I am so confused.

I think this is probably the only country left in the world, where you can make absolutely no sense whatsoever, and be completely contradictory with every word out of your mouth, and still have a major following.

Edited November 29, 2013 by isawasnake

[waza]

This guy is not one bit less dangerous, than the red criminals of 2010!

...and that shows, that the people who follow him are as "stupid" as the ones who cheered on Jatuporn!

Lets examine that statement..........

Suthep sounds a bit like Gandhi..........

RT@Aim_NT: Suthep said there would be no use of force or violence as they are good people.

RT@terryfrd: Suthep tells people to deal with police like Fin Ministry, surround them, let air out of tires, treat them well (food, water). No violence.

and Jesus.....

RT@Aim_NT: Suthep told protesters not to fight/ use violence but take photos of weapons their opponents would use with them.

RT@Aim_NT: Hug them with love, do not fight, Suthep told protesters

While Jatuporn, the alleged terrorist, is all violence, deceit and hatred...........

RT@Aim_NT: For your safety, you don't have to wear red, bring only red heart: Jatuporn. Unless we are united, we can't protect the power of this govt

RT@Aim_NT: Please come and fight until we can be sure that this govt is secured: Jatuporn. Nobody allows Suthep to deprive the power from the people.

Aim_NT: Suthep is forever a murderer: Jatuporn alleged. Tomorrow is the day of bet on the country's future between us and Suthep: Jatuporn.

How could you possible compare the peacefull anti-government protestors who are striving for equality and democratic future, and the hatefull, violent redshirt thugs who want to protect a corrupt government led by a convicted criminal.

Edited November 29, 2013 by waza

[waza]

apropos "V for Vendetta"... a few months ago, I saw some pics of yellow shirt folks wearing the masks, which as we know are associated with Anonymous. I wonder if they knew what they were doing?

The masks are associated with Guy Fawkes in the first place, signifying rebellion against an oppressing government. Anonymous adopted that symbol later.

At that time a lot of people (not only yellow shirts) started protesting against the changes in the constitution. They (the mask wearing people) were mostly students and younger people. After that goal had been reached, I believe many of them have now retracted, leaving behind middle aged yellow shirts, who now have a much wider and I'd say selfish political agenda.

Don't quote me on this. Just my opinion.

More red history in the making, try to get it right..........

"Hundreds of people yesterday marched through the Thai capital Bangkok wearing the white masks waving Thai flags and chanting their disapproval with the ruling Pheu Thai party led by Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra. Other protests took place in cities across the country.

The masks are a symbol of our opposition to the government. We're protesting about corruption and the fact that our country is a democracy in name only. The government say we're a democracy but they act like dictators," said Pariya Tarasuwan, a 52-year-old who runs a laundry business and was marching with her white mask pushed back on her head.

[smokie36]

How long before they can no longer resist the tried and tested formula - seize the airport!!!

Not until Friday morning at 10 am please.

[chainarong]

Suthep must think he is on very solid ground , he addressed thousands of supporters, I'd rather millions of supporters, very shaky, the people got what they wanted, the removal of the Amnesty Bill or 150 days grace, knowing the PTP, it will come back with something else, to move up a notch, now the over- throw of a government, hmmm I'd like to think about that Suthep .

[pedro01]

Have any readers noticed the striking resemblance between the speeches of Mr. Suthep and equally rousing (and worrying) speeches by the late Fuhrer: Adolf Hitler? I wonder if perchance, they are related?

You have a seriously warped idea of history if you can see a similarity between the two.

Adolf Hitler advocated mass murder and eradication of Jews, gypsies, homosexuals and Slavs among many others.

Suthep may sound a bit agitated but no one has died, *due to the demonstrations, in the whole time Bangkok has been watching these demonstrations, and hopefully no-one will be.

*edited to add

If you were to read my post again VERY SLOWLY, you might notice that I made a comparison between the SPEECHES of Mr Suthep and those of Adolf Hitler.

Do you speak German and Thai then?

[petedk]

Is it safe to drive to Bangkok now?

Yes

[pedro01]

Have any readers noticed the striking resemblance between the speeches of Mr. Suthep and equally rousing (and worrying) speeches by the late Fuhrer: Adolf Hitler? I wonder if perchance, they are related?

No.

I did notice the penchant for reinforcing Godwin's law though ..... Suthep is a bit of a firebrand but he sounds nothing like Hitler.. It takes a very special kind of headgear to make two very different things anything close to the same.

MF, you never ever seemed to speak out against the reds even when they were burning BKK, Yet when faced by non violent protest (without the violent rhetoric) you get all squirmy .... I don't want to dig back in your posts to May 19th 2010, bu did you ever speak out against the violence of the reds? Before that did you ever make a single statement about the grenade attacks condemning the reds? I do not think you did.

The Reds in 2010 were protesting about the fact that a government led by Abhisit which was not the elected choice of the Thai people, was in power due to the intervention of their friends in the judiciary. Almost simultaneously with the burning of central World, over 100 people were murdered by the army, allegedly under orders from indicted murderers, Mr Suthep and Mr Abhisit. This, a day or two after the assassination of Red leader Seh Daeng whilst in the middle of a TV interview by the type of high calibre weapon only held by the military. In the melee a fully insured rich peoples shopping mall was unfortunately burned, maybe by Red protesters, maybe by agents provocoteurs. we will probably never know.

I am listening to Suthep on TV behind me as I type this and his tone sounds very similar to Hitler at Nuremberg.

So just coincidence that the reds started protesting 1 week after Thaksin had his money confiscated?

[pedro01]

Is it safe to drive to Bangkok now?

Yes

Well - I presume you mean it's no more dangerous than usual!

[Tatsujin]

This guy is not one bit less dangerous, than the red criminals of 2010!

...and that shows, that the people who follow him are as "stupid" as the ones who cheered on Jatuporn!

I am not sure how one can equate people who exhort crowds to "burn Bangkok" with someone who insists on non-violent protest.

Neither side is pure as the driven snow, but the wanton destruction that occurred in 2010 at their leader's behest was far in excess of what we are seeing. I hope I don't say this prematurely, but the evidence to date suggests that the criminal acts od 2010 far outweigh the criminal acts that have been reported in the current demonstration.

Jatuporn didn't exort crowds to burn Bangkok. In fact he also claimed he was a man of peace! Remember his Gandhi t-shirt! He did say if red shirts become 'nervous' the shopping malls could get trashed though. And look what happened! He's not always wrong. Anyway, I don't get this insistence on the peacefulness of these protesters. Sure, they're peaceful while they face no resistance. Whilst they're allowed to do pretty much what they like. The red shirts were also peaceful for almost a month.

Let's see if the police actually step up and try to prevent this 'People's Coup'. If Suthep's folk sit on the floor, hand in hand, singing Kumbaya whilst the police try to drag them away, then I'll believe they're a peaceful movement. And I for one, shall take my hat off to Suthep, despite not believing in what he's doing.

Deaf, dumb, blind.

[Yunla]

There was reports of some anti-gov students slingshotting pingpong-ball bombs past a police blockade a few days ago. The bombs went off but caused no serious injuries. So largely it has been peaceful so far. My concern is that the agenda changed from massprotest to occupy-overthrow and the pitch went up several notches. In a tinderbox nation like this one, it is a very fine line to walk.

But in terms of comparing the redmob speeches at the onset of the 2010 events, which reminded me of the scene in Mordor with the baying mob and slavering warlords, megaphoned statements about burn the country to the ground etc. and of course the redshirt leadership off-stage quote "deaths among our numbers can only further our cause", it can only be said that the current protest/occupy movement is setting out a much more peaceful agenda. However I still step away from it, because I don't believe in occupation of sites, or of overthrowing governments. I continue to meet with my Thai friends for prayer group, our prayers are as always in these situations, that nobody is injured or killed, regardless of who that person is.

[ginjag]

Have any readers noticed the striking resemblance between the speeches of Mr. Suthep and equally rousing (and worrying) speeches by the late Fuhrer: Adolf Hitler? I wonder if perchance, they are related?

I have heard much worse inside the football ground at Millwall. Are you forgetting your super sweet mouthed red leaders ????

Your brigade are similar to the Red Devils, and from a Millwall fan some of the UKs most best behaved football fans.

[Sunderland]

Is it safe to drive to Bangkok now?

It's never safe to drive to Bangkok. Beware of speeding buses driving at you head on or motorcycles suddenly appearing in front of your bumper.

[mijan24]

remember "big brother" is reading you.

[tomyummer]

Why don't they target Montenegro, UAE, Chinese, UK and Singapore consulates/embassies? They are the ones harboring the criminal and his family especially when the poopoo hits the fan. Stop using AIS, stop buying SC Assets property, stop flying Thai Air Asia...

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[newatthis]

I thought "victory day" was three days from last Sunday. Wonder what he will say on Monday morning? Remember Captain Ahab and his obsession with a whale. IT was the downfall of everyone, but the whale.

[h90]

Is it safe to drive to Bangkok now?

Yes

Well - I presume you mean it's no more dangerous than usual!

With the traffic jam it might be less dangerous...

[crazykopite]

In the western world this guy would be thrown in the slammer by now the people of Thailand voted in the present Government they did not come in by the back gate like the previous lot maybe the time has come to hold yet another election so once again the eople can decide. The only good thing about this is the baht is getting weaker time to bring in my currency and get a better rate.

[jucel]

apropos "V for Vendetta"... a few months ago, I saw some pics of yellow shirt folks wearing the masks, which as we know are associated with Anonymous. I wonder if they knew what they were doing?

The masks are associated with Guy Fawkes in the first place, signifying rebellion against an oppressing government. Anonymous adopted that symbol later.

At that time a lot of people (not only yellow shirts) started protesting against the changes in the constitution. They (the mask wearing people) were mostly students and younger people. After that goal had been reached, I believe many of them have now retracted, leaving behind middle aged yellow shirts, who now have a much wider and I'd say selfish political agenda.

Don't quote me on this. Just my opinion.

Guy Fawkes was also trying to kill the King of England, therefore not sure the masks are entirely appropriate! Maybe the Thais need to brush up on their history lessons, again!!

[96tehtarp]

Have any readers noticed the striking resemblance between the speeches of Mr. Suthep and equally rousing (and worrying) speeches by the late Fuhrer: Adolf Hitler? I wonder if perchance, they are related?

Here upcountry, a lot of the Thai folks on both sides of the Red/Yellow devide seem to think Suthep has recently started to sound quite a lot like a communist. It's their opinion and merely my observation.

I thought to myself, yes & no. Same same but different. Fascist? Communist?

Unfortunately I wasn't able to successfully convey to them the concept of National Socialism and it's pitfalls. They only seem to be familiar with communism. Fascism isn't part of the curriculum.

The last thing Thailand needs is a Führer who has uber-constitutional authority as Suthep seems to have been advocating. Imagine Thailand becoming a National Socialist Constitutional Monarchy with an uber-constitutional Fuehrer.

Amazing Thailand.

Cheers,

“Badges? We ain’t got no badges! We don’t need no badges! I don’t have to show you any stinking badges!”

[jucel]

The first sentence of my first post already expressed my dislike for Puea Thai. Puea Thai care only about being in power, they realized that poor people outnumber the rich in this country and so they targeted their policies towards them and then implemented them in a reckless or shoddy manner.

The Democrats also buy votes in the exact same manner, let's not insult each other's intelligence by claiming anything other than that fact.

But then again what do you care about votes? You are now supporting the creation of a people's council made up of UNELECTED people for the next "few" months.

Every party in every country buys votes! In the UK, you would not see many dole bludgers voting for the Conservative Party.

[jucel]

Have any readers noticed the striking resemblance between the speeches of Mr. Suthep and equally rousing (and worrying) speeches by the late Fuhrer: Adolf Hitler? I wonder if perchance, they are related?

Here upcountry, a lot of the Thai folks on both sides of the Red/Yellow devide seem to think Suthep has recently started to sound quite a lot like a communist. It's their opinion and merely my observation.

I thought to myself, yes & no. Same same but different. Fascist? Communist?

Unfortunately I wasn't able to successfully convey to them the concept of National Socialism and it's pitfalls. They only seem to be familiar with communism. Fascism isn't part of the curriculum.

The last thing Thailand needs is a Führer who has uber-constitutional authority as Suthep seems to have been advocating. Imagine Thailand becoming a National Socialist Constitutional Monarchy with an uber-constitutional Fuehrer.

Amazing Thailand.

Cheers,

“Badges? We ain’t got no badges! We don’t need no badges! I don’t have to show you any stinking badges!”

It's looking like he wants Thailand to be a plutocracy!

[DocN]

This guy is not one bit less dangerous, than the red criminals of 2010!

...and that shows, that the people who follow him are as "stupid" as the ones who cheered on Jatuporn!

I am not sure how one can equate people who exhort crowds to "burn Bangkok" with someone who insists on non-violent protest.

Neither side is pure as the driven snow, but the wanton destruction that occurred in 2010 at their leader's behest was far in excess of what we are seeing. I hope I don't say this prematurely, but the evidence to date suggests that the criminal acts od 2010 far outweigh the criminal acts that have been reported in the current demonstration.

You are aware, that buildings in Bangkok were not burning after one week of occupation, aren't you?

Just wait and see, what the occupiers of the day have in store for us in...let's say 2 weeks time, okay?!