Thai opposition says all its MPs to resign

[shiok]

I like that ?

[Shaunduhpostman]

It's too bad the Democrats, for whatever reason, have not wanted or have been unable, in all this time since 2006, to come up with anything that would win them genuine support in the north and the northeast. Perhaps I have missed something, but they haven't lifted a finger and now they want to again rule by way of a coup. So, now we have this situation, where if you don't like the upcoming totalitarian regime of Thaksin brought to you by "democratic" elections, you are supposed to trust Suthep and the Democrats that their unelected people's council will solve the problem of a "democratic" system that is all too vulnerable to being twisted into some self-serving mechanism for anyone who is voted in. The Dems & co. had a chance to fix things things in 2006 but they didn't. A constitution was created that allowed the same thing to happen all over again. So, you really, as much as you might want to replace daily-insults-to-your-intelligence on tap that issue forth from the Shinawatra boozeria with some other intoxicant, the dems have done nothing to lead anyone to believe that they are capable of brewing it up.

It seems the Dems cannot bring themselves around to present something better than what the Shins have offered Thailand. Why? We can only guess, there many possible reasons that come to mind. We can also cry about vote buying till the cows come home and sprout sattelite dishes from their horns, but giving people money to vote for you doesn't mean they will actually do it when it comes time for them to cast their ballots. People can and will vote for who they want to, they'll take your money, but that doesn't mean they'll vote for you, especially if they can see the other party shows them a clear and better way. Perhaps the Dems could have launched public education programs or media campaigns to explain some better way to help rural folks, to come up with ways to reform the education system so that the country is not so vulnerable to being cheated by populists like Thaksin, but as we know, the Democrats have made no moves in those directions or any direction that suggest they have any interest in legitimately winning an election and actually doing something for the majority of the country.

Believe me, I have been on their side all this time, anything but Thaksin, but there really isn't an end to any of this insanity in sight until someone finds a way to offer something better than the Shinawatras and convince people that they stand to do great harm to the country.

[Mosha]

'Tried to burn Bangkok down'? Don't you think thats a trifle exaggerated? 1 rich peoples shopping centre was set alight - it remains unclear by whom. The army was instructed by indicted murderers Abhisit and Suthep to intervene with live ammunition and at least 90 people were murdered. so yes, Diamond King is right - the 'Dems' are the 'whack-jobs'

"at least 90 people were murdered" "it remains unclear by whom"

The level of uninformed debate on this forum seems to grow daily. Even Abhisit admits that he and Suthep authorised the army to use live ammunition. An inquest in August found officially that the army killed the 6 protesters murdered in Pathum Wanaram temple. It is perfectly clear to everyone except 'whybother' that the army were guilty. The only issue to be resolved is who authorised them to shoot. We may get a step nearer to finding the answer to that on Thursday when Messrs Suthep and Abhisit are due in court to answer murder charges. Assuming Mr. Suthep intends to attend.

You should stop supporting Milwall. Ir's overloading your brain cell.

[Docno]

Hmmm .... One hellava chess game ?????

You can't compare this <deleted> to chess - politicians from both sides are about as subtle as hand grenades and have the tactical thinking of a 7 year old with dyslexia.

It's all a game of "mine's bigger than yours" being carried out by playground bullies.

They should rename this place Kindergartenland.

Nothing unique to Thailand. Have you forgotten how the opposition in the "world's most powerful nation" recently shut-down government operations because they didn't like legislation introduced by the democratically elected party in power?

Perhaps DOCNO, you have forgotten that the Congress of the USA is a fully elected group. Which is divided into two distinct groups. And all laws must pass both the House and the Senate to be instituted.

You are right that in the Senate the ruling party is the duly elected Democrats, however, in the House the ruling party is the duly elected Republicans.

So, you see, there are two distinctly different governments in the USA and in Thailand.

All true. That wasn't my point however. My point was that this sort of "you blink first" political gaming is not unique to Thailand. It happened in the US when the Republicans essentially shut down the government in order to put pressure on the Obama administration to pull back on its healthcare plan. The nature of the government (parliamentary democracy, presidential system, bicameral vs unicameral legislatures, etc) is irrelevant to my point.

That said, you emphasized that the US congress is "fully elected". Of course, the Thai legislature is not "fully elected", and the Bangkok protesters want to move even further away from a "fully elected" assembly, but that's a different argument altogether.

[mjj]

I don't see why so many are so concerned with Thaksin going to prison - no one in Thailand that has money and power goes to prison do they? What makes Thaksin so special that he has to?

While this is not the greatest definition of how good a government is, Thaksin did bring in the 30B system (something for the people) and YL tried to raise the minimum wage (for the people), gave monetary incentives for car ownership and school kids tablets for education.

Can someone tell me what Abhisit did for Thailand when he was in power?

This is not meant as a pro-Thaksin statement, personally I think they all need to grow up.

[whybother]

'Tried to burn Bangkok down'? Don't you think thats a trifle exaggerated? 1 rich peoples shopping centre was set alight - it remains unclear by whom. The army was instructed by indicted murderers Abhisit and Suthep to intervene with live ammunition and at least 90 people were murdered. so yes, Diamond King is right - the 'Dems' are the 'whack-jobs'

"at least 90 people were murdered" "it remains unclear by whom"

The level of uninformed debate on this forum seems to grow daily. Even Abhisit admits that he and Suthep authorised the army to use live ammunition. An inquest in August found officially that the army killed the 6 protesters murdered in Pathum Wanaram temple. It is perfectly clear to everyone except 'whybother' that the army were guilty. The only issue to be resolved is who authorised them to shoot. We may get a step nearer to finding the answer to that on Thursday when Messrs Suthep and Abhisit are due in court to answer murder charges. Assuming Mr. Suthep intends to attend.

Were the army guilty of shooting grenades at themselves? Were the army guilty of shooting grenades at BTS stations?

Why do you think the army were authorised to use live ammunition? Did you expect the government to send them in with riot shields against an armed militia?

Yes, the army killed some protesters, but it's not definitely not clear (or not true) that they killed 90 people.

It is clear that the red shirts did burn down some buildings. It's not clear to the conspiracy theorists that they burnt down Central World.

[Thait Spot]

 

 

 

Surely the democrats can't pay for it so it would be great to know who are the financiers. This number above are very conservative numbers and according to some friends in Bangkok, they put the number to as high as 1.5 billion Baht to bring down the government

A question I have raised several times on here without reply. Who is actually paying to maintain this rally...an army needs feeding. Contributions from the general public does not wash. Maybe instead of financing this rabble they should have paid for some more votes and got into power

Maybe some of these people are genuinely pissed off and paying their own way. Did you think of that?

 

Those going from here are not getting paid, I doubt the people from BKK are either. We know the Beer Singha heiress was in the frontloader that was used on the barricades for some pictures. If people are fronting cash for the costs of food and water etc for some, you can rest assured it isn't just one person or family.

 

I have friends that have gone a few times and they buy their own food and water. (They don't spend the night etc ... like most people from here and BKK)

My local soup vendor says he's getting paid 1,000 Baht to go protest tomorrow. He says that's the only reason he's going, as he doesn't care who wins. A few of his friends are apparently being picked up by a bus tomorrow morning to go to the rally, at which point each of them will receive 1,000 Baht.

But that's not corruption, is it?

No. Its a lie

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[patyh]

I don't see why so many are so concerned with Thaksin going to prison - no one in Thailand that has money and power goes to prison do they? What makes Thaksin so special that he has to?

While this is not the greatest definition of how good a government is, Thaksin did bring in the 30B system (something for the people) and YL tried to raise the minimum wage (for the people), gave monetary incentives for car ownership and school kids tablets for education.

Can someone tell me what Abhisit did for Thailand when he was in power?

This is not meant as a pro-Thaksin statement, personally I think they all need to grow up.

The point here is this. In politics, the good point are never brought up. But the negative point.

What I really think is, people should grow up and accept elections results and then hold onto all the grudges and unleash it at the next election. Oh wait. Someone has never won an election. Now we get it.

[whybother]

It's too bad the Democrats, for whatever reason, have not wanted or have been unable, in all this time since 2006, to come up with anything that would win them genuine support in the north and the northeast. Perhaps I have missed something, but they haven't lifted a finger and now they want to again rule by way of a coup. So, now we have this situation, where if you don't like the upcoming totalitarian regime of Thaksin brought to you by "democratic" elections, you are supposed to trust Suthep and the Democrats that their unelected people's council will solve the problem of a "democratic" system that is all too vulnerable to being twisted into some self-serving mechanism for anyone who is voted in. The Dems & co. had a chance to fix things things in 2006 but they didn't. A constitution was created that allowed the same thing to happen all over again. So, you really, as much as you might want to replace daily-insults-to-your-intelligence on tap that issue forth from the Shinawatra boozeria with some other intoxicant, the dems have done nothing to lead anyone to believe that they are capable of brewing it up.

It seems the Dems cannot bring themselves around to present something better than what the Shins have offered Thailand. Why? We can only guess, there many possible reasons that come to mind. We can also cry about vote buying till the cows come home and sprout sattelite dishes from their horns, but giving people money to vote for you doesn't mean they will actually do it when it comes time for them to cast their ballots. People can and will vote for who they want to, they'll take your money, but that doesn't mean they'll vote for you, especially if they can see the other party shows them a clear and better way. Perhaps the Dems could have launched public education programs or media campaigns to explain some better way to help rural folks, to come up with ways to reform the education system so that the country is not so vulnerable to being cheated by populists like Thaksin, but as we know, the Democrats have made no moves in those directions or any direction that suggest they have any interest in legitimately winning an election and actually doing something for the majority of the country.

Believe me, I have been on their side all this time, anything but Thaksin, but there really isn't an end to any of this insanity in sight until someone finds a way to offer something better than the Shinawatras and convince people that they stand to do great harm to the country.

"Perhaps I have missed something"

You have. You missed the completely different global economic conditions from when Thaksin was in power to when the Democrats were in power. You also missed the Democrat rice scheme that gave money directly to the farmers instead of through the middle men. You also missed the Democrat education policy that subsidised education to 15 years instead of 12, and subsidies for uniforms and books which were removed by PTP.

[millwall_fan]

That is what you do when your name is a joke and you are in a matter of fact not interested at all in democracy. If you cannot win elections, you do not take part in elections or your resign, hoping that you are asked to form the new government and can appoint "honest" people. Honest people like Suthep (land scandal, palmoil scandal,bribing scandal).

Hopefully someone in the judiciary have noticed it and disband the party and give all people who resign a life time political ban. Go out and campaign in Izan, take the voters seriously instead of refusing to get your boots dirty and serve the Chinese minority only. IF Bangkok was a normal place, all people living there would be able to register as a voter and even in Bangkok the Democrat Party would not stand any chance.

Yep the democratic party should be disolved. It is quite clear that their only aim is to disrupt the system, and all because they are unable to appeal to enough Thai voters. I have no doubt any general election called by Yingluck will be boycotted as well as any by election that might follow in the case she doesn't disolve the house.

An utter disgrace, no other words.

Disrupt what system?

The one where you get to play PM with the right DNA?

The one where you change legislation half way through its passage to benefit those with the right DNA?

The one where you cheat the vote in the house by giving your voting cards to a friend!

The one where you lie about closing voting times to con the house vote?

You should be ashamed of your undemocratic principles

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1. she's not 'playing PM' she is the democratic choice of the Thai people

2. The bill was amended in accordance with parliamentary procedure

3&4. Why would they need to 'cheat'? They have a large parliamentary majority

[Thait Spot]

HEY BRUCE!  Maybe they now want some DEMOCRATIC reforms?  I wish pray and hope so.  If not back to selling bananas for all THAILAND as INVESTORS will leave - and much to people thinking they will return... look elsewhere my friends, money DOES NOT come back via big industry.

 

i don't know how long you have been in Thailand, but you patently don't have a clue what is going on. The 'Democrat' party are advocating an unelected council run by themselves as the stooges of the Ruling Elite. They most certainly don't want 'democratic' reforms'. They lose every time a 'democratic' election is held. They are the enemies of 'democracy

 

Interesting move. Does this mean that Chuvit is now opposition leader?

Good post - I suppose that's about right! Bangkok's king of porn is now leader of the opposition.....well he couldn't do a worse job!

Really it's that clear "who are the whack jobs are"? Not those who pulled soldiers out of trucks and murdered them, not those who tried to burn down Bangkok? 

So let me understand this

 

This legally elected gvernement has offered to stand down and hold elections within 2 months but the opposition says that is not good enough alt=rolleyes.gif pagespeed_url_hash=2070704717 width=20 height=20>

 

I think it clear who are the whack jobs are.

 

'Tried to burn Bangkok down'?  Don't you think thats a trifle exaggerated? 1 rich peoples shopping centre was set alight - it remains unclear by whom. The army was instructed by indicted murderers Abhisit and Suthep to intervene with live ammunition and at least 90 people were murdered. so yes, Diamond King is right - the 'Dems' are the 'whack-jobs'

You have very clearly lost the plot

Do pay attention

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[Henn]

I think there are some good replies to your alleged scenario.

Remarkably, and rather ironically, they are you own replies to people who similarly posted their own personal experiences.

And where is the proof of that? I keep reading these accusations but the reality is that my 5 year old makes things up too. Doesn't mean that it's true.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/687430-pm-offers-house-dissolution-and-national-election/page-2#entry7134882

and

Is there any proof for this story? Or something that your wife's cousin might have made up? I mean no disrespect but other than words, there is no proof to back up this story.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/687207-thai-govt-behind-the-violence-pdrc-claims/#entry7130383

Well, since the other person's post was widely accepted as proof, I think it's only fair that mine be accepted as well, no? Or is it only proof if the other party does it?

It was two, not one, different situations you responded to as being completely dismissive of their experiences.

I simply agreed with your replies, to wit, that your own alleged claim is being dismissed completely and that you have absolutely zero proof of what you say.

One might question that if you previously were so concerned on things being posted on the up and up, why you thought it might be a good idea to hypocritically trot something out that is exactly what you were dismissing in others previously.

.

Edited December 8, 2013 by Henn

[marinediscoking]

The lesser of two evils is the Military COUP.. Anything is better than the Thaksin and red SHIrT running Thailand now!!!

You were obviously not here during the coup years.

Were you?

It was a year (singular).

Yes I was here,

During the coup year (ok slightly over a year) the army abrogated the constitution, banned political assemblies, commenced extralegal arrests and authorized censorship. They then gave themselves pardons. Does more need to be said about the dangers of another coup?

[winstonc]

Surely the democrats can't pay for it so it would be great to know who are the financiers. This number above are very conservative numbers and according to some friends in Bangkok, they put the number to as high as 1.5 billion Baht to bring down the government

A question I have raised several times on here without reply. Who is actually paying to maintain this rally...an army needs feeding. Contributions from the general public does not wash. Maybe instead of financing this rabble they should have paid for some more votes and got into power

What an intelligent question! If we had any more insight then you did which cabal of evil businessmen are secretly funding this mob, we would share it with you for sure! Unfortunately, we're all lowly armchair TV posters with no link to the inside of backroom deals evil politicians and billionaires make.

The ones that are financing this mob are the ones that will milk the country dry once they have succeeded.

whose financing it links and proof.....or more stupidity from you.......

[AryanicAristocrat]

Enough! PLEEZE! Thais and thais fighting, TV members fighting with each other (ie TV members married to Isaan versus TV members married to elite thai chinese, etc).

The only solution......divide up Thailand completely. Let the Democrats have the Southern Provinces. Let the Phue Thai and Thaksin have all the Issan Provinces. Let Bangkok, the Central and Northern provinces be managed by the Royal Family and The Army. All issan people from Bangkok are to return back to Issan and vice versa for teh southerners , northerners etc. No inter -trade or support. The Cebtral and Northern provinces should they have a shortfall of any agricultural commodities etc , can buy it from China, Burma etc and The southeners, Isaan whatever are not to use the bangkok ports, airports etc. All are self-suuficient in whatever way. I think this will end all the problems. The red shirts can be happy with thaksin in Isaan and the Southerners with Abhisit, Suthep etc in the south. Thiose not happy merely move to the relevant zones. Problems solved.

[AryanicAristocrat]

Oh God, form what I am hearing from my neighbours, tomorrow is going to be a massive traffic jam everywhere. The mother fo all traffic jams!

[Henn]

'Tried to burn Bangkok down'? Don't you think thats a trifle exaggerated? 1 rich peoples shopping centre was set alight

For the benefit of those that weren't here and haven't read about it, this is apparently what "1 shopping center set alight" looks like.

Plus the orders from the stage.

do you know of any other significant buildings that were burned to the ground?

I'm just satisfied that you've backtracked from your original claim and now acknowledge that more (over 30) buildings were set ablaze.

It shows that hopefully you might ease off your low ball exaggerations and post more factually.

[Baerboxer]

If the opposition think that people are supporting them, why don't they accept the election offered by Yingluck?

This should be their opportunity. It would be an stupidity on the part of the government if they just surrender

and give the seat that easy to oppositions.

I don't think they believe she is sincere in her offer.

Go back and read what YL actually said. It was always conditional. If this or IF that. She could simply resign and dissolve parliament and see if she can command the large minority she got after the 2010 riots she rode into power on the backs of.

Oh wait --- her party said "No"

Indeed. Maybe a large number of PTP members feel they would go the same way as the guy who contested the "safe" seat in Don Meuang............... whoops !! Too risky !!!

[Roadman]

[quote name="Henn" post="7135953" timestamp="1386511047"

'Tried to burn Bangkok down'? Don't you think thats a trifle exaggerated? 1 rich peoples shopping centre was set alight

For the benefit of those that weren't here and haven't read about it, this is apparently what "1 shopping center set alight" looks like.

I honesty believe some people empty their best thinking matter into the dunny bowl each morning.

[Siripon]

That is what you do when your name is a joke and you are in a matter of fact not interested at all in democracy. If you cannot win elections, you do not take part in elections or your resign, hoping that you are asked to form the new government and can appoint "honest" people. Honest people like Suthep (land scandal, palmoil scandal,bribing scandal).

Hopefully someone in the judiciary have noticed it and disband the party and give all people who resign a life time political ban. Go out and campaign in Izan, take the voters seriously instead of refusing to get your boots dirty and serve the Chinese minority only. IF Bangkok was a normal place, all people living there would be able to register as a voter and even in Bangkok the Democrat Party would not stand any chance.

Yep the democratic party should be disolved. It is quite clear that their only aim is to disrupt the system, and all because they are unable to appeal to enough Thai voters. I have no doubt any general election called by Yingluck will be boycotted as well as any by election that might follow in the case she doesn't disolve the house.

An utter disgrace, no other words.

Disrupt what system?

The one where you get to play PM with the right DNA?

The one where you change legislation half way through its passage to benefit those with the right DNA?

The one where you cheat the vote in the house by giving your voting cards to a friend!

The one where you lie about closing voting times to con the house vote?

You should be ashamed of your undemocratic principles

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1. she's not 'playing PM' she is the democratic choice of the Thai people

2. The bill was amended in accordance with parliamentary procedure

3&4. Why would they need to 'cheat'? They have a large parliamentary majority

1. 'Thaksin thinks, Pheua Thai does' no mention of Yingluck in their slogan. PT MPs openly talk about Thaksin deciding matters, he calls Yingluck his clone.The democratic choice of the Thai people was Pheua Thai and its policies, the PM was selected by the MPs, not the people.

2 Parliamentary procedure was blatantly ignored when debates were cut short and Democrat MPs not allowed to speak- aside from the fundamental differences between Readings 1 and 2.

3. They had no need to cheat but they did- it's on camera.

[DMG333]

Why don't PTP and RS "devote themselves into more positive and productive inputs"? Because it would not be so lucrative for PTP to do so. The Reds just enjoy destruction too much.

Why don't they devote themselves into more positive and productive inputs to Thailand. Rather than just focusing on these limited mindset. That's the result why Thailand is 'reversing' rather than advancing. This is politics of Democratic Party......what a joke for people who are so highly educated yet short sighted....

Precisely, if they are wise enough, the democrats should work on the positive side and show us what you can really add value rather than part taking in non constructive activities.

[ramrod711]

They are back to their 2006 tactic, if you can't win at the ballot box, you frustrate the system. The democratic party is democratic in name only.

Not only do they backstab all the people that voted for them, they now openly support Suthep and his People's council.

I feel sorry for everyone that voted these clowns in to parliament.

I'm sure all these people you feel sorry for would have been better off voting for the criminal led arsonist party. Oh well, maybe they will see the light and support the dear leader, who, by the way, doesn't believe in democracy.

[binjalin]

shows Abhisit to be a cheap "opportunist" and Thais I know are turning against him

they know that Abhisits call for mass resignations is because he LOST and hope to regain power through this cheap trick

I think Yingluck should say "up to you" and resume government and push through all the reforms without the idiot Dems in the House

[Henn]

This is a very perceptive post.

Ignoring the fact that they're completely made up numbers.

hahaha... completely laughable numbers

[DMG333]

They are resigning only because they know that they are leading their supporters to their graves tomorrow and they are afraid that their party will be dissolved because of it if they don't.

Going to their graves? Are you suggesting that Yingluck has ordered the police to shoot people?

Like the leaders of the protest movement ordered the army to do in 2010?

I look forward to seeing Yingluck charged with murder then, if there are any deaths this time round.

What an emotional and childish quote, for our country to advance, we need to move together rather than being critical for non constructive output

[Samaaw]

Please continue to riot - please continue to demonstrate - I earn more money when the Baht falls - now its 32 to the USD - please let it go to 40 or more to the USD that I can earn more...

[thaigold]

And we, we who are only guests in the Kingdom must acknowledge and accept the Noble Truths of Buddhism. Once in acceptance, you can appreciate and submit to the truth. Time, as it always has, will - in it's mysterious ways, bring resolution to all and everything.

Be not troubled...

Edited December 8, 2013 by thaigold

[whybother]

What an emotional and childish quote, for our country to advance, we need to move together rather than being critical for non constructive output

For "our" country to move forward, PTP need to stop trying to go back to 2006.

[Henn]

It's too bad the Democrats, for whatever reason, have not wanted or have been unable, in all this time since 2006, to come up with anything that would win them genuine support in the north and the northeast. Perhaps I have missed something

You have.

Repeated efforts during that time to do just what you suggest, only to be faced with violent red shirt disruptions, threats, and violence.

[DMG333]

What an emotional and childish quote, for our country to advance, we need to move together rather than being critical for non constructive output

For "our" country to move forward, PTP need to stop trying to go back to 2006.

Don't live in the past. What is important is the present and future.