Many fear trouble will escalate today, Suan Dusit poll finds

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Many fear trouble will escalate today, Suan Dusit poll finds
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- MOST PEOPLE are concerned about the "make or break" rally led by People's Democratic Reform Committee secretary-general Suthep Thaugsuban today, according to an opinion survey.

The survey by Suan Dusit Pollster found that 36.46 per cent of respondents said they were worried that the protest would escalate out of control and they did not want to see more violence.

Suan Dusit surveyed 1,588 people |from around the country on Friday and Saturday.

The survey found that 30.39 per cent of the respondents did not want to see Thais fighting or hurting one another; while 19.34 per cent said they would closely monitor how the political incidents would unfold today; and 13.81 per cent said they hoped to see constructive political moves during the day.

Asked what they thought the government should do today, 34.52 per cent said it should do nothing and should not respond or provoke violence, while 27.92 per cent said the government should not use violence against protesters.

And 24.87 per cent said the government should monitor the situation closely |while 12.69 per cent said the government should instruct police to carry out their duty strictly.

Asked how they thought the Thai political situation would develop after the protest today, 42.42 per cent said nothing would change, while 29.82 per cent expected the situation would improve, and 27.76 per cent expected it to worsen.


-- The Nation 2013-12-09

[ricku]

My TV, my computer and my popcorn is ready. Bring it on.

[Beetlejuice]

I am also holding on breath on this one and hoping this epic battle of the giants won`t end with casualties and of course none of us can know for sure what the outcome may have in-store for us ex-pats living here.

It`s fingers crossed today that all this will end peacefully.

[PhoenixRising]

My TV, my computer and my popcorn is ready. Bring it on.

Hope you've got a lot of popcorn because this could drag on for weeks/months!

[ricku]

My TV, my computer and my popcorn is ready. Bring it on.

Hope you've got a lot of popcorn because this could drag on for weeks/months!

True.

And what if the government falls today or tomorrow or next week? There is no way that will be the end of this.

Because.. What will the red shirts do then?

Exciting times ahead.

Edited December 9, 2013 by ricku

[diehard60]

The situation here, unfortunately, will not get any better as Suthep and the Dems do not want an ELECTED government. They want to be appointed by who knows who. They want to go back 50 - 60 years ago. That would not be a democratic government.

[PhoenixRising]

The situation here, unfortunately, will not get any better as Suthep and the Dems do not want an ELECTED government. They want to be appointed by who knows who. They want to go back 50 - 60 years ago. That would not be a democratic government.

Well, in all fairness, the Red-shirts wanted Thaksin back and installed without an election, so they are no better. In case you haven't read the history on Thailand, the election process hasn't been a perfect bed of roses for the country. There are countries that don't have elections (e.g. UAE, Qatar, Vietnam, Laos, China, etc.) that have far more peace and security than many countries that do have elections (e.g. Malaysia, the Philippines, Greece, etc.). Elections do NOT bring peace and security! In Thailand, they spell disaster!

[ianf]

The situation here, unfortunately, will not get any better as Suthep and the Dems do not want an ELECTED government. They want to be appointed by who knows who. They want to go back 50 - 60 years ago. That would not be a democratic government.

I don't know where you get these strange ideas from! Nothing could be further from the truth. This post is either a deliberate ideological bias or based on ignorance.

[Hawkman]

The situation here, unfortunately, will not get any better as Suthep and the Dems do not want an ELECTED government. They want to be appointed by who knows who. They want to go back 50 - 60 years ago. That would not be a democratic government.

The situation won't get any better unless the ELECTED Government stops trying to make outlaws, criminals and corrupt politicians get away with anything they wish and throw away the money paid by the taxpayers on projects that don't benefit the people of the country, but a small minority to get rich and while doing this use an elected Government as an excuse to whitewash a certain person to fuel his megalomania. That's why the people are protesting, young, old, single, married - from all walks of life. The people have spoken.

Keep up with what's going on.

[charliebru]

The situation here, unfortunately, will not get any better as Suthep and the Dems do not want an ELECTED government. They want to be appointed by who knows who. They want to go back 50 - 60 years ago. That would not be a democratic government.

Well, in all fairness, the Red-shirts wanted Thaksin back and installed without an election, so they are no better. In case you haven't read the history on Thailand, the election process hasn't been a perfect bed of roses for the country. There are countries that don't have elections (e.g. UAE, Qatar, Vietnam, Laos, China, etc.) that have far more peace and security than many countries that do have elections (e.g. Malaysia, the Philippines, Greece, etc.). Elections do NOT bring peace and security! In Thailand, they spell disaster!

Are you serious? In most countries people want to vote for who runs their country.

[stoli]

The situation here, unfortunately, will not get any better as Suthep and the Dems do not want an ELECTED government. They want to be appointed by who knows who. They want to go back 50 - 60 years ago. That would not be a democratic government.

Have to agree with you here. The democrats know that if there is an election, the PTP will win again. You can't force an unelected body against the wishes of the people.

[Amras]

The situation here, unfortunately, will not get any better as Suthep and the Dems do not want an ELECTED government. They want to be appointed by who knows who. They want to go back 50 - 60 years ago. That would not be a democratic government.

Well, in all fairness, the Red-shirts wanted Thaksin back and installed without an election, so they are no better. In case you haven't read the history on Thailand, the election process hasn't been a perfect bed of roses for the country. There are countries that don't have elections (e.g. UAE, Qatar, Vietnam, Laos, China, etc.) that have far more peace and security than many countries that do have elections (e.g. Malaysia, the Philippines, Greece, etc.). Elections do NOT bring peace and security! In Thailand, they spell disaster!

Are you serious? In most countries people want to vote for who runs their country.

Or in Thailand, the majority who are uneducated and vote for whomever will put the most money in their pocket (or promise too).

Unfortunately lack of education makes influencing the 'masses' easy. Most policies that will develop Thailand as a whole, business wise on the international scale, unfortunately won't directly benefit the poor. Hence why they vote for populist parties like PTP who promise them a lot, but it's all empty and they can't see the lies behind the show. Democracy works in countries where people make informed decision on who to vote for, but in a country where more than 50% have minimal education it's very difficult for them to see the greater picture on what's beneficial to the development of Thailand. They just can't see it at that scale.

Thailand's a quite complicated situation.

[newermonkey]

Can we please bring back General Prem Tinsulanonda, just prop him up in a chair, blow off the cobwebs, dust him down, a bit of lick and polish. Play some old Jazz music on all tv and radio stations, broken only by some army broadcast to stay calm.

Can we please get the Thai people to forget about "playing" politics, please, its not going to work.

Please just let the experts run the country, it worked before it'll work again.

http://en.wikipedia....em_Tinsulanonda

Edited December 9, 2013 by newermonkey

[Nusquam Humanitus]

The situation here, unfortunately, will not get any better as Suthep and the Dems do not want an ELECTED government. They want to be appointed by who knows who. They want to go back 50 - 60 years ago. That would not be a democratic government.

Well, in all fairness, the Red-shirts wanted Thaksin back and installed without an election, so they are no better. In case you haven't read the history on Thailand, the election process hasn't been a perfect bed of roses for the country. There are countries that don't have elections (e.g. UAE, Qatar, Vietnam, Laos, China, etc.) that have far more peace and security than many countries that do have elections (e.g. Malaysia, the Philippines, Greece, etc.). Elections do NOT bring peace and security! In Thailand, they spell disaster!

Are you serious? In most countries people want to vote for who runs their country.

Or in Thailand, the majority who are uneducated and vote for whomever will put the most money in their pocket (or promise too).

Unfortunately lack of education makes influencing the 'masses' easy. Most policies that will develop Thailand as a whole, business wise on the international scale, unfortunately won't directly benefit the poor. Hence why they vote for populist parties like PTP who promise them a lot, but it's all empty and they can't see the lies behind the show. Democracy works in countries where people make informed decision on who to vote for, but in a country where more than 50% have minimal education it's very difficult for them to see the greater picture on what's beneficial to the development of Thailand. They just can't see it at that scale.

Thailand's a quite complicated situation.

Amras - Dead on! May I also add the unfortunate brainwashing related to monarchies and nationalism. Of course these beliefs fall into the "uneducated and conformist" category, but they are , in my opinion, holding back progress.

I believe democracy is and always will be dysfunctional until corruption is almost completely eliminated and the checks and balances within a "democracy" function properly. At this point in time, the "democracies" of the western world are terrible shape and the masses of those said nations are much more educated as a whole.

The corruption has to be eliminated for true, unlimited growth to propagate.

[CIHUAHUA]

Flip a coin and then accept the outcome.

[PhoenixRising]

Every single time and ELECTED PM gets in office, they make a mess of things, embarrass the country and commit crimes that get them thrown out of office. And there are always insane people who keep doing the same things over and over expecting different results. Sooner or later, there will be another election and we can surely expect the same results.

[thailandpeter2]

on the other side, do you really believe that elections within 60 days will result in a corrupt-free government? i guess only more of the same will come out...

The situation here, unfortunately, will not get any better as Suthep and the Dems do not want an ELECTED government. They want to be appointed by who knows who. They want to go back 50 - 60 years ago. That would not be a democratic government.

[thailiketoo]

Every single time and ELECTED PM gets in office, they make a mess of things, embarrass the country and commit crimes that get them thrown out of office. And there are always insane people who keep doing the same things over and over expecting different results. Sooner or later, there will be another election and we can surely expect the same results.

What would you suggest? You know Abraham Lincoln was not the candidate of choice of either faction when he was proposed for President. He was a compromise after no one else could get a majority.

Believing in democracy I'm probably in a minority here as I'm sure you all know who would make a better leader of Thailand than the Thai people.

Sooner or later the majority of the folks will tire of the nonsense and elect a good leader. Until then all we can really do is wish them luck.

[flyingspike]

The situation here, unfortunately, will not get any better as Suthep and the Dems do not want an ELECTED government. They want to be appointed by who knows who. They want to go back 50 - 60 years ago. That would not be a democratic government.

Well, in all fairness, the Red-shirts wanted Thaksin back and installed without an election, so they are no better. In case you haven't read the history on Thailand, the election process hasn't been a perfect bed of roses for the country. There are countries that don't have elections (e.g. UAE, Qatar, Vietnam, Laos, China, etc.) that have far more peace and security than many countries that do have elections (e.g. Malaysia, the Philippines, Greece, etc.). Elections do NOT bring peace and security! In Thailand, they spell disaster!

Are you serious? In most countries people want to vote for who runs their country.

Or in Thailand, the majority who are uneducated and vote for whomever will put the most money in their pocket (or promise too).

Unfortunately lack of education makes influencing the 'masses' easy. Most policies that will develop Thailand as a whole, business wise on the international scale, unfortunately won't directly benefit the poor. Hence why they vote for populist parties like PTP who promise them a lot, but it's all empty and they can't see the lies behind the show. Democracy works in countries where people make informed decision on who to vote for, but in a country where more than 50% have minimal education it's very difficult for them to see the greater picture on what's beneficial to the development of Thailand. They just can't see it at that scale.

Thailand's a quite complicated situation.

It is pretty cynical to believe that just because the majority lack a comprehensive education that they lack the sense and judgement to see"pork barreling" for what it is and therefore sell their vote to the highest bidder. Plenty of these people that I have met over the last 20 years or so are savvy and know a croc when they are fed one. If anything, they have a better sense of right and wrong and a stronger moral compass than their city cousins.

[Amras]

Or in Thailand, the majority who are uneducated and vote for whomever will put the most money in their pocket (or promise too).

Unfortunately lack of education makes influencing the 'masses' easy. Most policies that will develop Thailand as a whole, business wise on the international scale, unfortunately won't directly benefit the poor. Hence why they vote for populist parties like PTP who promise them a lot, but it's all empty and they can't see the lies behind the show. Democracy works in countries where people make informed decision on who to vote for, but in a country where more than 50% have minimal education it's very difficult for them to see the greater picture on what's beneficial to the development of Thailand. They just can't see it at that scale.

Thailand's a quite complicated situation.

It is pretty cynical to believe that just because the majority lack a comprehensive education that they lack the sense and judgement to see"pork barreling" for what it is and therefore sell their vote to the highest bidder. Plenty of these people that I have met over the last 20 years or so are savvy and know a croc when they are fed one. If anything, they have a better sense of right and wrong and a stronger moral compass than their city cousins.

Cynical? No, fact. Education is critical. People fall for populist policies in the west and for the most part, the majority of people have completed at least high school education. There's also a vast difference between moral compass and growing business and a country. Your suggesting that one predicts the other or that simply having a moral compass (which will usually be at the level of to your fellow man) means that people can effectively decide on the larger picture and what's the best way to develop a country. They are unrelated.

At the end of the day, when you work to have shelter and food (and not much more), these are your priorities. You don't care if the country prospers as long as you have money to live. Hence populist policies will win, day in and day out. It doesn't mean that those policies are for the greater good of Thailand though.

[thailiketoo]

The situation here, unfortunately, will not get any better as Suthep and the Dems do not want an ELECTED government. They want to be appointed by who knows who. They want to go back 50 - 60 years ago. That would not be a democratic government.

Well, in all fairness, the Red-shirts wanted Thaksin back and installed without an election, so they are no better. In case you haven't read the history on Thailand, the election process hasn't been a perfect bed of roses for the country. There are countries that don't have elections (e.g. UAE, Qatar, Vietnam, Laos, China, etc.) that have far more peace and security than many countries that do have elections (e.g. Malaysia, the Philippines, Greece, etc.). Elections do NOT bring peace and security! In Thailand, they spell disaster!

Are you serious? In most countries people want to vote for who runs their country.

Or in Thailand, the majority who are uneducated and vote for whomever will put the most money in their pocket (or promise too).

Unfortunately lack of education makes influencing the 'masses' easy. Most policies that will develop Thailand as a whole, business wise on the international scale, unfortunately won't directly benefit the poor. Hence why they vote for populist parties like PTP who promise them a lot, but it's all empty and they can't see the lies behind the show. Democracy works in countries where people make informed decision on who to vote for, but in a country where more than 50% have minimal education it's very difficult for them to see the greater picture on what's beneficial to the development of Thailand. They just can't see it at that scale.

Thailand's a quite complicated situation.

Do you know most of the people who voted for Abraham Lincoln did not go to high school?

Few slaves could read (they would have voted if they could). Do you think they didn't know slavery was wrong? Informed decision my putooty.

Education is nice and all that but in Thailand it doesn't take a weatherman to tell which way the wind is blowing.

[Asiantravel]

My TV, my computer and my popcorn is ready. Bring it on.

Hope you've got a lot of popcorn because this could drag on for weeks/months!

True.

And what if the government falls today or tomorrow or next week? There is no way that will be the end of this.

Because.. What will the red shirts do then?

Exciting times ahead.

More like what will the yellow shirts do when the red shirts win the election again?

[Amras]

Or in Thailand, the majority who are uneducated and vote for whomever will put the most money in their pocket (or promise too).

Unfortunately lack of education makes influencing the 'masses' easy. Most policies that will develop Thailand as a whole, business wise on the international scale, unfortunately won't directly benefit the poor. Hence why they vote for populist parties like PTP who promise them a lot, but it's all empty and they can't see the lies behind the show. Democracy works in countries where people make informed decision on who to vote for, but in a country where more than 50% have minimal education it's very difficult for them to see the greater picture on what's beneficial to the development of Thailand. They just can't see it at that scale.

Thailand's a quite complicated situation.

Do you know most of the people who voted for Abraham Lincoln did not go to high school?

Few slaves could read (they would have voted if they could). Do you think they didn't know slavery was wrong? Informed decision my putooty.

Education is nice and all that but in Thailand it doesn't take a weatherman to tell which way the wind is blowing.

So you're saying the rice pledging scheme was a great idea (buying rice above world wide market rates)? (populist policy), sure it gives the farmers more money, which farmer would vote against that? The free tablet to each child was (in principle it was, but another failed policy), let alone an amnesty bill to bring a CONVICTED criminal back to Thailand (who also stole billions from the very people he is supposed to represent).

Please....I love Thailand and it's people as much as most, but money brings food to the table and for many, who live day to day, it's critical. Sure there are some that don't fit into this, but they likely aren't in the high percentage of minimum wage staff (or below).

There's also a big difference between voting for an idealist (based on their ideals and what they will do for the people) and voting for those that promise money simply to gain power. PTP promise a lot only when they can benefit. They have done nothing that didn't benefit them in some way. It was all a means to an end to get someone back and they only tried it after 2 years in office, after they had attempted to appease their followers (of PTP) with their failed policies.

Education is not just a 'nice thing to have'. You only need to look at those who are and those you are not (back in the West) to see the stark difference education makes (on ones reasoning, thinking ability, problem solving, higher level reasoning skills and so on).

If all these people KNEW that PTP would do this, then why vote for them? You really believe that they are happy for their party to bring back Thaksin after he stole all that money from the people, and run the country into billions of debt with rice they can't sell, simply because he did a few nice things back in the day (oh hell he deserves the few billion he took). Common.

[billd766]

My TV, my computer and my popcorn is ready. Bring it on.

Hope you've got a lot of popcorn because this could drag on for weeks/months!

True.

And what if the government falls today or tomorrow or next week? There is no way that will be the end of this.

Because.. What will the red shirts do then?

Exciting times ahead.

More like what will the yellow shirts do when the red shirts win the election again?

What yellow shirts are you on about?

[thailiketoo]

Do you know most of the people who voted for Abraham Lincoln did not go to high school?

Few slaves could read (they would have voted if they could). Do you think they didn't know slavery was wrong? Informed decision my putooty.

Education is nice and all that but in Thailand it doesn't take a weatherman to tell which way the wind is blowing.

So you're saying the rice pledging scheme was a great idea (buying rice above world wide market rates)? (populist policy), sure it gives the farmers more money, which farmer would vote against that? The free tablet to each child was (in principle it was, but another failed policy), let alone an amnesty bill to bring a CONVICTED criminal back to Thailand (who also stole billions from the very people he is supposed to represent).

Please....I love Thailand and it's people as much as most, but money brings food to the table and for many, who live day to day, it's critical. Sure there are some that don't fit into this, but they likely aren't in the high percentage of minimum wage staff (or below).

There's also a big difference between voting for an idealist (based on their ideals and what they will do for the people) and voting for those that promise money simply to gain power. PTP promise a lot only when they can benefit. They have done nothing that didn't benefit them in some way. It was all a means to an end to get someone back and they only tried it after 2 years in office, after they had attempted to appease their followers (of PTP) with their failed policies.

Education is not just a 'nice thing to have'. You only need to look at those who are and those you are not (back in the West) to see the stark difference education makes (on ones reasoning, thinking ability, problem solving, higher level reasoning skills and so on).

If all these people KNEW that PTP would do this, then why vote for them? You really believe that they are happy for their party to bring back Thaksin after he stole all that money from the people, and run the country into billions of debt with rice they can't sell, simply because he did a few nice things back in the day (oh hell he deserves the few billion he took). Common.

I guess you didn't read my post. I said you don't need an education to understand what is going on in Thailand. It has nothing to do with education. It has to do with a lot of things but not education. Too many educated countries have voted for dictators and too many uneducated countries have voted for liberators and democracy to think the difference was education.

[Amras]

Do you know most of the people who voted for Abraham Lincoln did not go to high school?

Few slaves could read (they would have voted if they could). Do you think they didn't know slavery was wrong? Informed decision my putooty.

Education is nice and all that but in Thailand it doesn't take a weatherman to tell which way the wind is blowing.

So you're saying the rice pledging scheme was a great idea (buying rice above world wide market rates)? (populist policy), sure it gives the farmers more money, which farmer would vote against that? The free tablet to each child was (in principle it was, but another failed policy), let alone an amnesty bill to bring a CONVICTED criminal back to Thailand (who also stole billions from the very people he is supposed to represent).

Please....I love Thailand and it's people as much as most, but money brings food to the table and for many, who live day to day, it's critical. Sure there are some that don't fit into this, but they likely aren't in the high percentage of minimum wage staff (or below).

There's also a big difference between voting for an idealist (based on their ideals and what they will do for the people) and voting for those that promise money simply to gain power. PTP promise a lot only when they can benefit. They have done nothing that didn't benefit them in some way. It was all a means to an end to get someone back and they only tried it after 2 years in office, after they had attempted to appease their followers (of PTP) with their failed policies.

Education is not just a 'nice thing to have'. You only need to look at those who are and those you are not (back in the West) to see the stark difference education makes (on ones reasoning, thinking ability, problem solving, higher level reasoning skills and so on).

If all these people KNEW that PTP would do this, then why vote for them? You really believe that they are happy for their party to bring back Thaksin after he stole all that money from the people, and run the country into billions of debt with rice they can't sell, simply because he did a few nice things back in the day (oh hell he deserves the few billion he took). Common.

I guess you didn't read my post. I said you don't need an education to understand what is going on in Thailand. It has nothing to do with education. It has to do with a lot of things but not education. Too many educated countries have voted for dictators and too many uneducated countries have voted for liberators and democracy to think the difference was education.

I did, but fail to see how it relates to Thailand. An idealist vs PTP? You can't truly compare Abraham Lincoln with PTP?

And of course you don't (need education)..to see now. I think everyone can see what's going on now. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. Foresight is a different matter all together. That's what I'm saying they don't have. The ability to think about how these things will affect the future. Did they really think a promise of paying for rice more than what it was worth was going to work? Anyone with foresight can see it simply can't. In no world we live in.

Education makes a part of being taught how to think, laterally, cause and effect. Thais as a whole lack this ability, imagine those with minimal education (as a general rule).

Sure it's not the ONLY thing, but we all know Thailand severely lacks on education. It's a part. You only need to see where a place like Taiwan has come must faster than Thailand has...and the reason why. Education helps people grow.

I'm sure uneducated countries have voted for liberators (idealists), but surely you aren't saying PTP (Thaksin) is an idealist?

[thailiketoo]

I did, but fail to see how it relates to Thailand. An idealist vs PTP? You can't truly compare Abraham Lincoln with PTP?

And of course you don't (need education)..to see now. I think everyone can see what's going on now. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. Foresight is a different matter all together. That's what I'm saying they don't have. The ability to think about how these things will affect the future. Did they really think a promise of paying for rice more than what it was worth was going to work? Anyone with foresight can see it simply can't. In no world we live in.

Education makes a part of being taught how to think, laterally, cause and effect. Thais as a whole lack this ability, imagine those with minimal education (as a general rule).

Sure it's not the ONLY thing, but we all know Thailand severely lacks on education. It's a part. You only need to see where a place like Taiwan has come must faster than Thailand has...and the reason why. Education helps people grow.

I'm sure uneducated countries have voted for liberators (idealists), but surely you aren't saying PTP (Thaksin) is an idealist?

You wrote, " Education makes a part of being taught how to think, laterally, cause and effect. Thais as a whole lack this ability, imagine those with minimal education (as a general rule)."

Prove it. Be specific. How many college graduates from the State of Kentucky lack the ability to think laterally. Name me the courses at the Royal Academy of Dance that teaches lateral thinking. George Bush went to Princeton. Obama went to Harvard. You think either one of them thinks laterally? You do know Yingluck has an MA degree? Now tell me she knows how to vote?

[Amras]

I did, but fail to see how it relates to Thailand. An idealist vs PTP? You can't truly compare Abraham Lincoln with PTP?

And of course you don't (need education)..to see now. I think everyone can see what's going on now. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. Foresight is a different matter all together. That's what I'm saying they don't have. The ability to think about how these things will affect the future. Did they really think a promise of paying for rice more than what it was worth was going to work? Anyone with foresight can see it simply can't. In no world we live in.

Education makes a part of being taught how to think, laterally, cause and effect. Thais as a whole lack this ability, imagine those with minimal education (as a general rule).

Sure it's not the ONLY thing, but we all know Thailand severely lacks on education. It's a part. You only need to see where a place like Taiwan has come must faster than Thailand has...and the reason why. Education helps people grow.

I'm sure uneducated countries have voted for liberators (idealists), but surely you aren't saying PTP (Thaksin) is an idealist?

You wrote, " Education makes a part of being taught how to think, laterally, cause and effect. Thais as a whole lack this ability, imagine those with minimal education (as a general rule)."

Prove it. Be specific. How many college graduates from the State of Kentucky lack the ability to think laterally. Name me the courses at the Royal Academy of Dance that teaches lateral thinking. George Bush went to Princeton. Obama went to Harvard. You think either one of them thinks laterally? You do know Yingluck has an MA degree? Now tell me she knows how to vote?

Not being American, I can't speak for the state of Kentucky. I love your anecdotal, people can learn dance - equals all other study. Common. Just because people study doesn't mean they can't be morons (by the way I don't think Obama's an idiot, he had ideals and then got into office and was told where his place was and now he's stuck - but that's another topic).

If I need to show you that education develops thinking, than unfortunately, you need to go back to school, or read a bit about brain development, education and so on, or something. You know the reason we learn calculus (and maths) at high school is not really because 95% of people are going to use calculus in real life right? It develops problem solving and thinking skills.

If you don't have this, you don't develop those abilities (and before you go saying, people can problem solve anyway, sure they can but at different levels).

Dare I ask, did you not receive a lot of education (no judgement, purely asking/trying to understand, why you believe education means nothing/so little).