Can I rent out a room to others which I have already paid rent for?

[Rooo]

If everything is done above board, no problems. But if you are going down the road of deception, there is a problem.

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[Loles]

I guess this is only a nice dream.

The Thai landlord will say up to you, stay or not but doesn't let you rent out for some-one the room.

If you check your contract I think it also tells it.

[robsamui]

What you need to do is:

1. Ask them if they can "refund" you for the period you're not staying.

2. If they won't refund, then ask them if they will be OK with if you rent it out to somebody else.

3. If they say no, and you're gonna go ahead anyway, then it's constituted a fraud and I'm not so sure if you're allowed to get advice about these things here.

To be honest, I'm a native Thai and I was contemplating helping you, but not after I saw you've been lying to them. One can't be so sure how honest you're with us here either. Besides your story is kinda strange. Did you make some kind of contract to pay the rent in advance or what? If that's so, why? If you're under contract, then I'm pretty sure there isn't really much you can do than just according to the agreement. Next time, don't get into agreement like this.

And your plan to deceive them by re-renting it to "friends" doesn't really seems like a good idea to me. Don't do it, unless they actually won't give you refund and are OK with this. (Which I doubt they will allow, but I'm pretty sure they'll refund.) Then it's up to you to find someone to re-rent it to. (fat chance)

Mole - if you are a native Thai then you're in the wrong job. Not even the Head of English Studies at Thammasat University, with whom I was in correspondence a couple of years ago, has anywhere near the understanding and grasp of sentence structure, grammar and punctuation that you do!

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[robsamui]

Haha, I don't need anyone to defend for my rights, I am doing quite fine by myself actually. I was just mentioning what I admire, and sharing that I happen to think its really hot. =) Anyways, if what you say is true, then that makes you the only who does not understand perfectly what I'm trying to do.

Despite your pathetic attempt of spin and flattering, people in here understand perfectly what you're trying to do.

Honestly that is the best way to do it, but it is quite obvious they are in the business for the money. If only I knew someone who could do the talking for me to actually give this a chance. Truth is I'm terrible when it comes to defending my own rights.

Ohhhhh - first you sez it then you doesn't sez it - you can, you can't - DEFEND YOUR RIGHTS - which one is it?

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[PoorSucker]

Mole - if you are a native Thai then you're in the wrong job. Not even the Head of English Studies at Thammasat University, with whom I was in correspondence a couple of years ago, has anywhere near the understanding and grasp of sentence structure, grammar and punctuation that you do!

R

Mole is a native Thai, come to the ThaiVisa pissups sometime

Head of English Studies at Thammasat University doesn't pay that good.

[robsamui]

Tell them that despite what may be written on the "contract" you are not willing or reasonably obliged to pay for something for which you have not received the benefit.

At this stage the only benefit you have received is an agreement that they will rent the room to you.

There should be a clause in the contract that provides a reasonable deposit penalty (which is NOT the full rental but a part thereof).

If there is no such clause (to be expected in Thailand) then you can claim that the contract is not valid in terms of their insistence to take a full 3 months rental fee because you did not give genuine consent to such a condition.

Possession is 9/10ths of the law and at this stage as you still have not handed over or been debited the money then you have control. If this was cash you would be fully SCREWED but this is a credit card transaction.

Put all of this in writing to them and put a stop on the credit card transaction. If they happen to have processed it already just contact your bank and request a charge back stating the conditions being that they have debited the money without full authority and have imposed unjust contractual conditions that you did not give genuine consent to.

Note that NONE of this would be necessary if they had been reasonable.

I have found that in Thailand whenever you hand any money (cash) over to anyone you do so with zero expectation of ever seeing it again.

We gave a developer 500,000bht in cash and then had to take them to court for a refund when they failed to deliver. 3 court decisions in our favor over a 6 year period and we still haven't seen a dime and will be lucky if we ever do anytime soon (our lawyer says MOST civil suit cases involving money typically take 7 to 10 years to settle.. AMAZING Thailand!)

This is strange reasoning . . . .

firstly you advise him in great detail about contracts and rights, with more advice about how he should legally go about things . . . then you tell us about how useless this all is in Thailand and how bad the legal system is here!

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[robsamui]

Mole - if you are a native Thai then you're in the wrong job. Not even the Head of English Studies at Thammasat University, with whom I was in correspondence a couple of years ago, has anywhere near the understanding and grasp of sentence structure, grammar and punctuation that you do!

R

Mole is a native Thai, come to the ThaiVisa pissups sometime

Wow!

Apologies, Mole.

Thanks for putting me straight, PoorSucker.

R

[Mario2008]

The owner rented out to you and does not have to agree with you putting someone else in his place. It is a personal contract bewteen you and the owner.

See it as when you rent your car to a neighbour who you trust, but has a borother who is always drunk. You agreed to rent the car to your neighbour, not his drunk brother and don't have to accept that the drunk brother will drive in your car. The contract is bewteen you and the neighbour, not his drunk borther.

So it depends on if the owner agrees with it or not. He can, but don't have to and you will be the one responsible for any damages as you are the one who rented it.

[maccaroni man]

I had some rental properties and always held my tenants to the terms of the agreement if they'd end early because for whatever reason and I was able to rent their unit I gave them a refund. If they left someone to mind the property while they were away I had mo problem but I was not going to chase anyone else for utility bills. Any unpaid bills and damage came from the deposit.