NoshowJones Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Chalerm is a piss-head, he shouts and jumps up and down but at the end of the day if he gives the order to clear the sites at any cost will the police be stupid enough to use undue force, and more importantly will the military stand by and let it happen. Seem Chalerm is already on notice from the military, gently gently no undue force against Thai citizens. And of course any deaths emanating from such an operation will be on YL's account, she is the head, she appointed Chalerm to fix the problem , the buck stops with her - even if she thinks / wants to believe it's not her problem - it's HER baby and no one elses. Yinluck accept responsibility!? Surely you confuse her with someone else. Suphet and his protesters are the ones at fault here, end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I will try with again, but perhaps the deficiency is not in my language but in your understanding. - First I said that I have relatives, friends, and coworkers that are protesting out there, and It is very disheartening to read comments that are hungry for violence against our loved ones. How can I rephrase that to suit your taste? I really don't know. I am sorry. - Secondly, I said: "Using the word "but" again? “But” is one of the most miserable words in the vocabulary. I don't like violence, but… No one should be killed, but… I love you, but… I am deeply disheartened to see so many people attempting to reason with the "logic" of the causes for killing a person" With that, I am just trying to say that I can not understand any kind of excuse for violence. Is that correctly expressed, or does it require further clarifications? I hope that your relatives, friends and coworkers are not part of the group that is stopping others from exercising their constitutional right to vote. Because if they are, they are knowingly exposing themselves to a grave risk of bodily harm from others who might not be as tolerant as you and I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Chalerm is a piss-head, he shouts and jumps up and down but at the end of the day if he gives the order to clear the sites at any cost will the police be stupid enough to use undue force, and more importantly will the military stand by and let it happen. Seem Chalerm is already on notice from the military, gently gently no undue force against Thai citizens. And of course any deaths emanating from such an operation will be on YL's account, she is the head, she appointed Chalerm to fix the problem , the buck stops with her - even if she thinks / wants to believe it's not her problem - it's HER baby and no one elses. Yinluck accept responsibility!? Surely you confuse her with someone else. Suphet and his protesters are the ones at fault here, end of. So applying this logic, the red shirts and their leaders including the camel trader were totally responsible for the deaths, burning and looting in 2010 - clearing Abhisit and Suphet of all responsibility for the deaths that PTP want to have them charged with. Typical PTP double standard of we are above the law because the fugitive told us so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Chalerm is a piss-head, he shouts and jumps up and down but at the end of the day if he gives the order to clear the sites at any cost will the police be stupid enough to use undue force, and more importantly will the military stand by and let it happen. Seem Chalerm is already on notice from the military, gently gently no undue force against Thai citizens. And of course any deaths emanating from such an operation will be on YL's account, she is the head, she appointed Chalerm to fix the problem , the buck stops with her - even if she thinks / wants to believe it's not her problem - it's HER baby and no one elses. Yinluck accept responsibility!? Surely you confuse her with someone else. Suphet and his protesters are the ones at fault here, end of. So applying this logic, the red shirts and their leaders including the camel trader were totally responsible for the deaths, burning and looting in 2010 - clearing Abhisit and Suphet of all responsibility for the deaths that PTP want to have them charged with. Typical PTP double standard of we are above the law because the fugitive told us so. The red shirts were to blame in 2010, just as the protesters are to blame now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Chalerm is a piss-head, he shouts and jumps up and down but at the end of the day if he gives the order to clear the sites at any cost will the police be stupid enough to use undue force, and more importantly will the military stand by and let it happen. Seem Chalerm is already on notice from the military, gently gently no undue force against Thai citizens. And of course any deaths emanating from such an operation will be on YL's account, she is the head, she appointed Chalerm to fix the problem , the buck stops with her - even if she thinks / wants to believe it's not her problem - it's HER baby and no one elses. Yinluck accept responsibility!? Surely you confuse her with someone else. Suphet and his protesters are the ones at fault here, end of. All good causes have some one responsible for them. What we have here is a case of protestors striving for a honest government who occasionally over step the law on one side. On the other side we have a government who is corrupt publically admits that they will ignore court decisions. Tries to white wash people of crimes because they are related to them or are receiving money from them. Both sides have their faults which side do you want to win and govern. 1 The side that occasional over steps the law or 2 The side that enforces there illegal activities on you resulting in huge debts to pay bills that could easily have been paid if they had used the money for it's intended purpose rather than enrich their off shore bank accounts. Also white wash people doing it. Some thing like 25,000 white wash jobs and one of them eradicating a legally levied prison term on the Biggest corrupt figure of them all People have to make a choice which side they want to win and stick with it. I choose the side that seeks a better government. Yes they should not be blocking people from voting. On the other hand people should not be voting as it is a known fact that there will still be no government after the election. A vote for any one no matter which party or ideology they represent is a vote saying they support the wasting of tax payers baht's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinsurin Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Regards MGP post The original post by NCFC was in reply to the poster of a picture of the dead father and daughter! The reply from MGP was about being misunderstod becauase of some language problems (which seem to have dissapeared) that had very little to do with the post being quoted. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IMA_FARANG Posted January 28, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2014 Because Chalerm has made so many threats, statements, etc. that he has never kept. Now nobody pays much attention to what he says anymore. "Buffalo". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCFC Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Shall I upload pictures of the weapons found in the back of the truck he was on? Some father, indeed. On and on again... Perhaps it is my fault that my point has not been understood at all. English is not by first language. I'm sorry, I can't do better than that. They say a picture is worth a thousand words which is why you posted a pic of the daughter of the dead protester. You wanted to show the human side of him. That is clear. But we have evidence that on the back of his truck were weapons that could be used to kill others. You see there is another side to this man. The claim has always been that these are peaceful protests. That clearly is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddyPinkham Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 its not that i am fond of the peau thai but i would love to see the arrogant <deleted> of these protesters kicked WHY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipkins Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Careful Thailand. Learn from history .. We don't use the F word nearly enough on Suthep. He marched a small force to the gates of Rome and demanded power. The king and government crumbled without a fight. Despite this, the seizure has gone down as Mussolini’s “March on Rome.” The government’s surrender legitimized the takeover and allowed the fascists to legally change society. http://www.examiner.com/article/mussolini-s-rise-to-power Shocking as it was, Mussolini's story had a happy ending. Pics to graphic so I googled it. The great leader didn't have the support he though he had, and the people let him in too easily. Don't let Suthep in!!! Thailand deserves better https://www.google.co.th/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1092&bih=508&q=mussolini+death&oq=mussolini+death&gs_l=img.3..0l7j0i5l3.1158.6192.0.6411.15.11.0.4.4.0.90.794.11.11.0....0...1ac.1.32.img..0.15.818.sTZCbtL7oIY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini81 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Careful Thailand. Learn from history .. We don't use the F word nearly enough on Suthep. He marched a small force to the gates of Rome and demanded power. The king and government crumbled without a fight. Despite this, the seizure has gone down as Mussolini’s “March on Rome.” The government’s surrender legitimized the takeover and allowed the fascists to legally change society. http://www.examiner.com/article/mussolini-s-rise-to-power Shocking as it was, Mussolini's story had a happy ending. Pics to graphic so I googled it. The great leader didn't have the support he though he had, and the people let him in too easily. Don't let Suthep in!!! Thailand deserves better https://www.google.co.th/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1092&bih=508&q=mussolini+death&oq=mussolini+death&gs_l=img.3..0l7j0i5l3.1158.6192.0.6411.15.11.0.4.4.0.90.794.11.11.0....0...1ac.1.32.img..0.15.818.sTZCbtL7oIY Sick puppy you are. More comparisons to the despot Thaksin regarding ill deeds and 'fascism' (the new trendy word overused on TV) than your claims. The puppet gov't now is a democratic dictatorship, as analysts have noted. Nothing to do with the pro-democrat party taking to the street to demonstrate. Edited January 28, 2014 by gemini81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TVGerry Posted January 28, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2014 Careful Thailand. Learn from history .. We don't use the F word nearly enough on Suthep. He marched a small force to the gates of Rome and demanded power. The king and government crumbled without a fight. Despite this, the seizure has gone down as Mussolini’s “March on Rome.” The government’s surrender legitimized the takeover and allowed the fascists to legally change society. http://www.examiner.com/article/mussolini-s-rise-to-power Shocking as it was, Mussolini's story had a happy ending. Pics to graphic so I googled it. The great leader didn't have the support he though he had, and the people let him in too easily. Don't let Suthep in!!! Thailand deserves better https://www.google.co.th/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1092&bih=508&q=mussolini+death&oq=mussolini+death&gs_l=img.3..0l7j0i5l3.1158.6192.0.6411.15.11.0.4.4.0.90.794.11.11.0....0...1ac.1.32.img..0.15.818.sTZCbtL7oIY Careful Thailand. Learn from history... Mugabe, Sukarno, Marcos, Shinawatra They all started as people who won elections. Unlike Mussolini, they seem to have gotten away with it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGP Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Shall I upload pictures of the weapons found in the back of the truck he was on? Some father, indeed. On and on again... Perhaps it is my fault that my point has not been understood at all. English is not by first language. I'm sorry, I can't do better than that. They say a picture is worth a thousand words which is why you posted a pic of the daughter of the dead protester. You wanted to show the human side of him. That is clear.But we have evidence that on the back of his truck were weapons that could be used to kill others. You see there is another side to this man. The claim has always been that these are peaceful protests. That clearly is not true. BUT again. That is the thing that I am trying to point. You try to claim that you do not agree with violence, but.... but... but... Edited January 28, 2014 by MGP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timoclark Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Using the word "but" again? I will repeat what I said In a similar thread: “But” is one of the most miserable words in the vocabulary. I don't like violence, but… No one should be killed, but… I love you, but… I am deeply disheartened to see so many people attempting to reason with the "logic" of the causes for killing a person (in another threads). Khun Suthin's daughter doesn't know yet that father has died, periodically asks for him. Heart breaking Shall I upload pictures of the weapons found in the back of the truck he was on? Some father, indeed. Either do it or don't do it. Piss or get off the pot. With an attitude like that, I hope you're not a father. What about the families of those killed by Red Shirts/Black Shirts, including unarmed soldiers and unarmed protesters, in 2010? I suppose they earn your disdain as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGP Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Either do it or don't do it. Piss or get off the pot. With an attitude like that, I hope you're not a father. What about the families of those killed by Red Shirts/Black Shirts, including unarmed soldiers and unarmed protesters, in 2010? I suppose they earn your disdain as well. Yes I do, 100%. I have just pointed out to the most recent disgraceful event that is in all our minds. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify it. Edited January 28, 2014 by MGP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love1012 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 its not that i am fond of the peau thai but i would love to see the arrogant <deleted> of these protesters kicked It IS being kicked - DAILY by guns and bombs as they protest peacefully!! I hope you are proud of your views when you see the families of murdered people grieving. I hope you are pleased when in a few years this becomes a daily occurence too!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love1012 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 its not that i am fond of the peau thai but i would love to see the arrogant <deleted> of these protesters kicked Politically you can agree or disagree with the protesters, but a fact is that these are protesting because they believe to do something good. Elderly people who would feel better at home stay there day and night to improve everyone life (no matter if it is true or not, they do believe it) and would like to see violence??? Thank You h90. Not to mention our relatives, friends, and coworkers that are also protesting out there. It is very disheartening to read comments like that, hungry for violence against our loved ones. What kind of forum is Thai Visa becoming? it seems to me now that a lot of farang red shirts are arguing with thai people protestors a very dangerous situation for thai VISA to support. It is getting out of hand here now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love1012 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Using the word "but" again? I will repeat what I said In a similar thread: “But” is one of the most miserable words in the vocabulary. I don't like violence, but… No one should be killed, but… I love you, but… I am deeply disheartened to see so many people attempting to reason with the "logic" of the causes for killing a person (in another threads). Khun Suthin's daughter doesn't know yet that father has died, periodically asks for him. Heart breaking Shall I upload pictures of the weapons found in the back of the truck he was on? Some father, indeed. You mean the ones his Cambodian hired mercenary murderers left behind - yes id like to see them - planted by your ilk!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love1012 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Shall I upload pictures of the weapons found in the back of the truck he was on? Some father, indeed. On and on again... Perhaps it is my fault that my point has not been understood at all. English is not by first language. I'm sorry, I can't do better than that. Please stop trying for the sympathy vote, poor misunderstod little me crap. make your point without hiding behind language deficiencies. .............and see if you can make yours without hiding behind your human being defeiciencies or go back to your own countries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love1012 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I will try with again, but perhaps the deficiency is not in my language but in your understanding. - First I said that I have relatives, friends, and coworkers that are protesting out there, and It is very disheartening to read comments that are hungry for violence against our loved ones. How can I rephrase that to suit your taste? I really don't know. I am sorry. - Secondly, I said: "Using the word "but" again? “But” is one of the most miserable words in the vocabulary. I don't like violence, but… No one should be killed, but… I love you, but… I am deeply disheartened to see so many people attempting to reason with the "logic" of the causes for killing a person" With that, I am just trying to say that I can not understand any kind of excuse for violence. Is that correctly expressed, or does it require further clarifications? I hope that your relatives, friends and coworkers are not part of the group that is stopping others from exercising their constitutional right to vote. Because if they are, they are knowingly exposing themselves to a grave risk of bodily harm from others who might not be as tolerant as you and I. Then there is no guilt or remorse about the red shirt killed in 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love1012 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Shall I upload pictures of the weapons found in the back of the truck he was on? Some father, indeed. On and on again... Perhaps it is my fault that my point has not been understood at all. English is not by first language. I'm sorry, I can't do better than that. They say a picture is worth a thousand words which is why you posted a pic of the daughter of the dead protester. You wanted to show the human side of him. That is clear.But we have evidence that on the back of his truck were weapons that could be used to kill others. You see there is another side to this man. The claim has always been that these are peaceful protests. That clearly is not true. It clearly IS TRUE - the protestors have killed NO ONE in this protest - your hired red shirt thugs are killing every day!! You are very low on intelligence if your truly believe your own garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love1012 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Careful Thailand. Learn from history .. We don't use the F word nearly enough on Suthep. He marched a small force to the gates of Rome and demanded power. The king and government crumbled without a fight. Despite this, the seizure has gone down as Mussolini’s “March on Rome.” The government’s surrender legitimized the takeover and allowed the fascists to legally change society. http://www.examiner.com/article/mussolini-s-rise-to-power Shocking as it was, Mussolini's story had a happy ending. Pics to graphic so I googled it. The great leader didn't have the support he though he had, and the people let him in too easily. Don't let Suthep in!!! Thailand deserves better https://www.google.co.th/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1092&bih=508&q=mussolini+death&oq=mussolini+death&gs_l=img.3..0l7j0i5l3.1158.6192.0.6411.15.11.0.4.4.0.90.794.11.11.0....0...1ac.1.32.img..0.15.818.sTZCbtL7oIY Until the last line i thought it was a very good warningagainst the Shinawatra criminals - by the way - werent you banned a while ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGP Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) The most dangerous problem here is beyond the childish red/yellow, farmer/elite or democratic/undemocratic discussions. The worrying issue is that there are several posters on Thai Visa that are hungry for blood, or justifying violence. This forum has become a platform to splash very dirty insults against politicians, Police, Army, Constitutional Court, and all the institutions of Thailand (except one, of course). We all know that they all deserve criticism, but the level of insults and hate is reaching astronomic proportions. As I have already mentioned, some of you are forgetting that beyond the Yinlucks, Sutheps, Chalerms, Jatuporns, Nattawuts, Abbishits, etc… (who are also human beings, above all else) many of us have our loved ones involved in the conflict. Our concern about their safety is much bigger than our political opinions, and we feel dismayed when we read so many posts calling for hate, violence, punishment, and revenge. It is very easy to split hate when you are comfortably sitting on your chair, but I am sure that you would think twice if you had personal links or friendship with persons on any side of the conflict (and I have them in both, so I am double distressed). Is the administration of Thai Visa ever going to put some limit to this inhuman level of verbal confrontation and abuse? Edited January 28, 2014 by MGP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimagure Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I've been visiting Thai Visa Forum for many years, and I've never seen this kind of farang vs. farang (and Thai) bickering we see here constantly during this current situation. There is almost as much anger and arguing in this forum as there is on the streets. Jai yen yen already. This situation could get really ugly soon. I hope everyone stays safe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCFC Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) The root of the problem here is beyond the childish red/yellow, farmer/elite or democratic/undemocratic discussions. The worrying issue is that there are several posters on Thai Visa that are hungry for blood, or justifying violence. This forum has become a platform to splash very dirty insults against politicians, Police, Army, Constitutional Court, and all the institutions of Thailand (except one, of course). We all know that they are all subject to critic, but the level of insults and hate is reaching astronomic proportions. As I have already mentioned, some of you are forgetting that beyond the Yinlucks, Sutheps, Chalerms, Jatuporns, Nattawuts, Abbishits, etc… (who are also human beings, above all else) many of us have our loved ones involved in the conflict. Our concern about their safety is much bigger than our political opinions, and we feel dismayed when we read so many posts calling for hate, violence, punishment, and revenge. It is very easy to split hate when you are comfortably sitting on your chair, but I am sure that you would think twice if you had personal links or friendship with persons on any side of the conflict (and I have them in both, so I am double distressed). Is the administration of Thai Visa ever going to put some limit to this inhuman level of verbal confrontation and abuse? MGP, this is not restricted to Thai Visa alone, I think you will find across the whole Thai social media platforms a lot of very angry people. If your concern for your family's safety is bigger than political opinions then you must persuade your family members to withdraw from the conflict. The conflict is escalating because one side has refused to compromise from day one and has knowingly pushed Thailand to the brink of a violent conflict. The tragedy is that this was the plan from the outset and that innocent, ordinary people are being dragged into the conflict as a result of this policy. If you were one of those with an advance vote on Sunday you may well have been one of those harassed, intimidated and assaulted through no fault of your own. This coming Sunday more innocent people may suffer similarly. It can be well predicted. No wonder people are angry. Edited January 28, 2014 by NCFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcomer71 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) The most dangerous problem here is beyond the childish red/yellow, farmer/elite or democratic/undemocratic discussions. The worrying issue is that there are several posters on Thai Visa that are hungry for blood, or justifying violence. This forum has become a platform to splash very dirty insults against politicians, Police, Army, Constitutional Court, and all the institutions of Thailand (except one, of course). We all know that they all deserve criticism, but the level of insults and hate is reaching astronomic proportions. As I have already mentioned, some of you are forgetting that beyond the Yinlucks, Sutheps, Chalerms, Jatuporns, Nattawuts, Abbishits, etc… (who are also human beings, above all else) many of us have our loved ones involved in the conflict. Our concern about their safety is much bigger than our political opinions, and we feel dismayed when we read so many posts calling for hate, violence, punishment, and revenge. It is very easy to split hate when you are comfortably sitting on your chair, but I am sure that you would think twice if you had personal links or friendship with persons on any side of the conflict (and I have them in both, so I am double distressed). Is the administration of Thai Visa ever going to put some limit to this inhuman level of verbal confrontation and abuse? being a moderator on another forum, I feel sorry for the moderators here that have such a crazy time, since some months ago. You can help them, clicking on report to let them know posts that are flaming, or out of the line, and against TV Forum rules. Edited January 28, 2014 by newcomer71 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonar6ca Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 The donkey speeks agin......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbamboo Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 The donkey speeks agin......... You can't call him a donkey. He's an ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I will try with again, but perhaps the deficiency is not in my language but in your understanding. - First I said that I have relatives, friends, and coworkers that are protesting out there, and It is very disheartening to read comments that are hungry for violence against our loved ones. How can I rephrase that to suit your taste? I really don't know. I am sorry. - Secondly, I said: "Using the word "but" again? “But” is one of the most miserable words in the vocabulary. I don't like violence, but… No one should be killed, but… I love you, but… I am deeply disheartened to see so many people attempting to reason with the "logic" of the causes for killing a person" With that, I am just trying to say that I can not understand any kind of excuse for violence. Is that correctly expressed, or does it require further clarifications? I hope that your relatives, friends and coworkers are not part of the group that is stopping others from exercising their constitutional right to vote. Because if they are, they are knowingly exposing themselves to a grave risk of bodily harm from others who might not be as tolerant as you and I. Then there is no guilt or remorse about the red shirt killed in 2010 I'm sorry, I don't understand your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGP Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I will try with again, but perhaps the deficiency is not in my language but in your understanding. - First I said that I have relatives, friends, and coworkers that are protesting out there, and It is very disheartening to read comments that are hungry for violence against our loved ones. How can I rephrase that to suit your taste? I really don't know. I am sorry. - Secondly, I said: "Using the word "but" again? “But” is one of the most miserable words in the vocabulary. I don't like violence, but… No one should be killed, but… I love you, but… I am deeply disheartened to see so many people attempting to reason with the "logic" of the causes for killing a person" With that, I am just trying to say that I can not understand any kind of excuse for violence. Is that correctly expressed, or does it require further clarifications? I hope that your relatives, friends and coworkers are not part of the group that is stopping others from exercising their constitutional right to vote. Because if they are, they are knowingly exposing themselves to a grave risk of bodily harm from others who might not be as tolerant as you and I. Then there is no guilt or remorse about the red shirt killed in 2010 I'm sorry, I don't understand your point? Perhaps he means that, since you are openly justifying violence against this demonstrators, you are also happy about the killings in 2010. Violence is violence, no matter the label of who is killed. Isn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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