xylophone Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Was just thinking about this yesterday as I drove along Nanai Road counting the amount of motorbike riders without helmets............... if the BIB were to put the fines up to 1000 baht for not wearing a helmet, and then do their job properly, they could rake in a fortune! They would have made 30,000 baht in a 500 m stretch of Nanai Road alone in a period of minutes. Would make the BIB happy and should make the drivers wear helmets and cut down on the fatal or serious accidents. A win-win, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Clog Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 That would NEVER catch on. If you put the fines up to 1000 baht, people would actually wear helmets, so far fewer fines would be doled out. It's a fine balancing act that has ZERO to do with safety. I mean, if they were serious about it, would policemen in uniform on scooters pick their 3 year old kids up from school with neither of them wearing helmets... I see this almost EVERY day... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eezergood Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Just being on nanai, even at THB300 they would clean up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falkan Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 to high fines will kill the rental business, already now people doing stupid things when they see a police checkpoint.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huahinjoe Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 It's kinda sad have to tell people to wear helmet, lots of them unaware of the consequences of a possible accident or neglect their own safety just because they feel cool or lazy to wear it. It's really not big deal to use a helmet and could save your life but anyway, everybody do what they deserve... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 If they made the fine too high, less people would pay it. Then, traffic enforcement basically becomes an offence that results in gaol, by way of non-payment of fines. Incarceration is labour intensive and costs money, so, is would go from raising revenue, to an expense for the Government. As another member said, it's a balancing act of what the masses can afford to pay for this breach of the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hkt83100 Posted January 30, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2014 Or even better, have them go after illegal exhausts and other modifications like red headlights or white taillights... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreandre Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 It's kinda sad have to tell people to wear helmet, lots of them unaware of the consequences of a possible accident or neglect their own safety just because they feel cool or lazy to wear it. It's really not big deal to use a helmet and could save your life but anyway, everybody do what they deserve... No more than sad than having to tell people to not drink alcohol, not smoke, not swim in the ocean in low season,not to be a big fat slob, not to have sex without condoms,travel on buses in LOS..etc,etc etc..these and many other ''choices'' can take your life at any time.. You do what you want and leave others to do as they want......easy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 If they made the fine too high, less people would pay it. Then, traffic enforcement basically becomes an offence that results in gaol, by way of non-payment of fines. Incarceration is labour intensive and costs money, so, is would go from raising revenue, to an expense for the Government. As another member said, it's a balancing act of what the masses can afford to pay for this breach of the law. Goal is not the only outcome if fine not paid............what about confiscating the bike? Quote: "it's a balancing act of what the masses can afford to pay for this breach of the law". I see where you are coming from, but since when has a law ever been made which is "soft" enough not to deter the perpetrator? Just answered my own question............when it is only a revenue gathering exercise and has no basis in making people comply with the law!! After all TIT! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Was just thinking about this yesterday as I drove along Nanai Road counting the amount of motorbike riders without helmets............... if the BIB were to put the fines up to 1000 baht for not wearing a helmet, and then do their job properly, they could rake in a fortune! They would have made 30,000 baht in a 500 m stretch of Nanai Road alone in a period of minutes. Would make the BIB happy and should make the drivers wear helmets and cut down on the fatal or serious accidents. A win-win, surely? 30 k that's pocket money Plus all that money from helmets has receipts allot of people assume it is bribe money but it is not If you want to make a issue of it you can take your receipt to your lawyer and they can check to see of the invoice numbers are registered Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 Was just thinking about this yesterday as I drove along Nanai Road counting the amount of motorbike riders without helmets............... if the BIB were to put the fines up to 1000 baht for not wearing a helmet, and then do their job properly, they could rake in a fortune! They would have made 30,000 baht in a 500 m stretch of Nanai Road alone in a period of minutes. Would make the BIB happy and should make the drivers wear helmets and cut down on the fatal or serious accidents. A win-win, surely? 30 k that's pocket money Plus all that money from helmets has receipts allot of people assume it is bribe money but it is not If you want to make a issue of it you can take your receipt to your lawyer and they can check to see of the invoice numbers are registered Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Not quite sure where you are coming from with that one, however 30,000 baht in 5 min is hardly pocket money.............. could be 1 million baht a day if it was enforced throughout Patong, but as has already been said, hardly likely that a 1000 baht fine would be implemented for reasons already stated. Sure invoice numbers could be checked if you have a problem with it, however spiriting much of this money away to interested parties is easily done with a duplicate log of invoice numbers and duplicate book-keeping. Easy in a country where corruption is endemic and is almost an art form for want of better terminology! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Was just thinking about this yesterday as I drove along Nanai Road counting the amount of motorbike riders without helmets............... if the BIB were to put the fines up to 1000 baht for not wearing a helmet, and then do their job properly, they could rake in a fortune! They would have made 30,000 baht in a 500 m stretch of Nanai Road alone in a period of minutes. Would make the BIB happy and should make the drivers wear helmets and cut down on the fatal or serious accidents. A win-win, surely? 30 k that's pocket moneyPlus all that money from helmets has receipts allot of people assume it is bribe money but it is not If you want to make a issue of it you can take your receipt to your lawyer and they can check to see of the invoice numbers are registered Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Not quite sure where you are coming from with that one, however 30,000 baht in 5 min is hardly pocket money.............. could be 1 million baht a day if it was enforced throughout Patong, but as has already been said, hardly likely that a 1000 baht fine would be implemented for reasons already stated.Sure invoice numbers could be checked if you have a problem with it, however spiriting much of this money away to interested parties is easily done with a duplicate log of invoice numbers and duplicate book-keeping. Easy in a country where corruption is endemic and is almost an art form for want of better terminology! The fine for not wearing a helmet is 500 baht or has it gone up The police cannot change the fines as it suits them If the police are corrupt then they do not give receipts for corruption They do have to send money back to head office to show they are doing there job If you know where I am coming from Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 Quote: "The fine for not wearing a helmet is 500 baht or has it gone upThe police cannot change the fines as it suits them" If you read my post you would see that my point was "hypothetical". As for the corruption part, well without trying to put too fine a point on it, there are many easy ways to siphon money off, and one I quoted was being dual accounting with receipts to match. Not that The BIB would do anything like that of course............and "head office" is just as corrupt as the rest of them!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreandre Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Was just thinking about this yesterday as I drove along Nanai Road counting the amount of motorbike riders without helmets............... if the BIB were to put the fines up to 1000 baht for not wearing a helmet, and then do their job properly, they could rake in a fortune! They would have made 30,000 baht in a 500 m stretch of Nanai Road alone in a period of minutes. Would make the BIB happy and should make the drivers wear helmets and cut down on the fatal or serious accidents. A win-win, surely? 30 k that's pocket money Plus all that money from helmets has receipts allot of people assume it is bribe money but it is not If you want to make a issue of it you can take your receipt to your lawyer and they can check to see of the invoice numbers are registered Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Plus all that money from helmets has receipts allot of people assume it is bribe money but it is not If you are paying at the station, then yes it is receipted..but if you pay the nice BIB in person away from the station, it is a "bribe" for sure.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 since when has a law ever been made which is "soft" enough not to deter the perpetrator? Just answered my own question............when it is only a revenue gathering exercise and has no basis in making people comply with the law!! Or when it supports an industry of incarceration... see 'war on drugs'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 If they made the fine too high, less people would pay it. Then, traffic enforcement basically becomes an offence that results in gaol, by way of non-payment of fines. Incarceration is labour intensive and costs money, so, is would go from raising revenue, to an expense for the Government. As another member said, it's a balancing act of what the masses can afford to pay for this breach of the law. Goal is not the only outcome if fine not paid............what about confiscating the bike? Quote: "it's a balancing act of what the masses can afford to pay for this breach of the law". I see where you are coming from, but since when has a law ever been made which is "soft" enough not to deter the perpetrator? Just answered my own question............when it is only a revenue gathering exercise and has no basis in making people comply with the law!! After all TIT! Confiscating the bike is another option, but is also labour intensive, not to mention the extra cost of real estate, bought, or leased, to house all the confiscated bikes. Then, there is is the legality of confiscating a bike that is not the riders. So, if I loan you my bike, and you are caught doing the wrong thing, why is my property, the bike, being confiscated from me? I've done nothing wrong. As for the harshness, or softness, of the penalty, studies have shown that the death penalty is not a deterent to crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 since when has a law ever been made which is "soft" enough not to deter the perpetrator? Just answered my own question............when it is only a revenue gathering exercise and has no basis in making people comply with the law!! Or when it supports an industry of incarceration... see 'war on drugs'! I didn't say that - xylophone did. i'm not sure how, or why, you wanted to post a quote from xylophone and attribute it to me - but they are not my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Was just thinking about this yesterday as I drove along Nanai Road counting the amount of motorbike riders without helmets............... if the BIB were to put the fines up to 1000 baht for not wearing a helmet, and then do their job properly, they could rake in a fortune! They would have made 30,000 baht in a 500 m stretch of Nanai Road alone in a period of minutes. Would make the BIB happy and should make the drivers wear helmets and cut down on the fatal or serious accidents. A win-win, surely? 30 k that's pocket moneyPlus all that money from helmets has receipts allot of people assume it is bribe money but it is not If you want to make a issue of it you can take your receipt to your lawyer and they can check to see of the invoice numbers are registered Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Plus all that money from helmets has receipts allot of people assume it is bribe money but it is not If you are paying at the station, then yes it is receipted..but if you pay the nice BIB in person away from the station, it is a "bribe" for sure.. That's correct it is not policy with bribes to give receipts If the police do not put money back into the government then they are likely to be investigated It is allot easier to pay a bribe on a highway where there is not many people Around but the police have to be carefull when taking a bribe as they can be jn trouble also Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 Quote: "BANGKOK, 29 March 2012 (NNT) - The Office of the Ombudsman Thailand has reported its success over the past 12 years, saying the Royal Thai Police has been found to be the most corrupt agency in Thailand". Bearing this in mind I leave it up to you to determine the veracity of the statements in the previous post!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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