Abhisit allows Democrat members free decision on voting

[spirit47]

Thats only a technical agreement for those want on the next party list for election. Theres a rule that candidate must have voted in the last election. I think Abhisit makes a good job, better than all th PTP dabblers, but they are to fixed in their classic clientele. Patronage and corruption will be not so worse than PTP, but it cant be the goal. If anybody think they start dealing with PTP, I think they to smart to make a political suicide. If this election will be nullified, they who go to vote looks like what they are, politicans...

[sms747]

Wise words from a decent man.

I second that.

Oxford and Eton educated. Understands what democracy means and can even say "Welcome" instead of "Overcome" when greeting important dignitaries from overseas.

Willing to debate the principles of democracy with Yingluck, but no reply.

Willing to give constructive criticism of the rice scheme to Yingluck, but with no reply.

Willing to give the regime a hand in the 2011 floods after they were costing the lives of the population due to their incompetence and to the PTP's credit actually thanked Abhisit for his help!

Willing to advise PTP pre elections in 2011 that welfare populism destroys prosperity, but with no reply.

But can't, and will not win an election due to his parties policies, decent bloke but should be in a different party

[kuiburi]

I not like to mix in politics , but I think he is one of the keys to open some doors in this confusing mess .

And that has nothing to do with his education on Eton or Oxford like so many posters refer to .

He is loyal to Thailand and has the guts to stay here , he faces the 2010 murder charges and not wants amnesty .

cojones I call that .

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[pipkins]

I not like to mix in politics , but I think he is one of the keys to open some doors in this confusing mess .

And that has nothing to do with his education on Eton or Oxford like so many posters refer to .

He is loyal to Thailand and has the guts to stay here , he faces the 2010 murder charges and not wants amnesty .

cojones I call that .

Whilst any reasoned person calls it Judicial corruption and Elites looking after there own.

Abhisit is finished, it is only his connections keep him top of the pile in the Dems. Not a very auspicious pile at that either is it.

[jonclark]

Wise words from a decent man.

Like a banana, a fruit with no bone inside.

Huh? That makes no sense - No fruit have bones in? They're plants!

Makes no sense at all

Please explain?

[pookiki]

OK, I am a bit confused. If Abhisit and his fellow Democrats are so sure that the election will be nullified, then why break ranks with the PRDC who the have been fully supporting up until now? AND -- I even saw that one of the core PDRC leaders, Issara Somchai, said he will vote so he can fight Yingluck in Parliament. Huh?

[Thai at Heart]

How liberal and democratic of him

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed. Inflammatory insulting posts have been removed. If you're going to intentionally misspell public figures names into derogatory nicknames, your post was removed as well. Spell people's names correctly.

[love1012]

So now it's down to Suthep to start getting a brain and instead of obstructing the vote, try to use it..

Thai people please vote BUT if you don't like The Shinawatra clan VOTE NO to Phua Thai. sorted !

ps: as i understand it there are several new parties set up by thaksinites. What parties are they?

No its not - demographics proves you wrong - there are 24 million Isan voters who along with their families will be co-erced, threatened and beaten into voting Pheu Thai - democracy is NOT an option in red villages

[jonclark]

I not like to mix in politics , but I think he is one of the keys to open some doors in this confusing mess .

And that has nothing to do with his education on Eton or Oxford like so many posters refer to .

He is loyal to Thailand and has the guts to stay here , he faces the 2010 murder charges and not wants amnesty .

cojones I call that .

Whilst any reasoned person calls it Judicial corruption and Elites looking after there own.

Realy? "Judicial corruption" I am assuming that you have evidence to support this unsubstantiated opinion. If you do have evidence then i look forward to seeing you hand over a dossier to Khun Tarit at the DSI who no doubt would be delighted to investigate (You may even get you picture in the paper - and if you're really lucky they'll let you point at something)

If on the other hand (and i think this is more likely the case) this supposed 'judicial corruption' is just opinion and you lack any evidence; may i kindly suggest that you calm down, apologies for getting over excited and a bit carried away, have an early night and log off.

[love1012]

I not like to mix in politics , but I think he is one of the keys to open some doors in this confusing mess .

And that has nothing to do with his education on Eton or Oxford like so many posters refer to .

He is loyal to Thailand and has the guts to stay here , he faces the 2010 murder charges and not wants amnesty .

cojones I call that .

Whilst any reasoned person calls it Judicial corruption and Elites looking after there own.

Abhisit is finished, it is only his connections keep him top of the pile in the Dems. Not a very auspicious pile at that either is it.

If he is finished its a shame - he has a much better education and unnderstanding of politics than your terrorist god whos feet you kiss in Dubai!

[kuiburi]

I not like to mix in politics , but I think he is one of the keys to open some doors in this confusing mess .

And that has nothing to do with his education on Eton or Oxford like so many posters refer to .

He is loyal to Thailand and has the guts to stay here , he faces the 2010 murder charges and not wants amnesty .

cojones I call that .

Whilst any reasoned person calls it Judicial corruption and Elites looking after there own.

Abhisit is finished, it is only his connections keep him top of the pile in the Dems. Not a very auspicious pile at that either is it.

Yep . because people like u I not like to mix in politics . Extremist are the cause of most political shit in the world . I better keep a low profile in here and keep eyes and ears open to all sides and get the facts together , btw happy chinese new year to all of u .

[love1012]

I not like to mix in politics , but I think he is one of the keys to open some doors in this confusing mess .

And that has nothing to do with his education on Eton or Oxford like so many posters refer to .

He is loyal to Thailand and has the guts to stay here , he faces the 2010 murder charges and not wants amnesty .

cojones I call that .

Whilst any reasoned person calls it Judicial corruption and Elites looking after there own.

Realy? "Judicial corruption" I am assuming that you have evidence to support this unsubstantiated opinion. If you do have evidence then i look forward to seeing you hand over a dossier to Khun Tarit at the DSI who no doubt would be delighted to investigate (You may even get you picture in the paper - and if you're really lucky they'll let you point at something)

If on the other hand (and i think this is more likely the case) this supposed 'judicial corruption' is just opinion and you lack any evidence; may i kindly suggest that you calm down, apologies for getting over excited and a bit carried away, have an early night and log off.

ignore him - hes not red. yellow or any colour - just as you say "a troll"

[winstonc]

Lets hope that Mr. Suthep can engage his remaining brain cells and call off his totally failed protests to prevent violence.

failed.......... rather a premature statement dont you think/know.

[blaze]

I am so glad Abhisit is now listening to Yingluck rather than Suthep and has decided to back down. Let's hope others follow his sensible example

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He isn't listening to Yingluck- he is listening to the American Ambassador- because he knows full well that when he becomes PM (after the courts have finished 'doing their job') that he will have to engage with grown ups.

[blaze]

ignore him - hes not red. yellow or any colour - just as you say "a troll"

A well reasoned and substantive post that contributes a great deal to our understanding of the problems currently besetting this land.

Not!

Why not respond to the points he made instead of dismissing him as a troll (and if you have followed his posts, you would know that while you might disagree, he is as convicted in his perspective as you are in yours). Who is the troll?

Edited January 30, 2014 by blaze

[pipkins]

I not like to mix in politics , but I think he is one of the keys to open some doors in this confusing mess .

And that has nothing to do with his education on Eton or Oxford like so many posters refer to .

He is loyal to Thailand and has the guts to stay here , he faces the 2010 murder charges and not wants amnesty .

cojones I call that .

Whilst any reasoned person calls it Judicial corruption and Elites looking after there own.

Realy? "Judicial corruption" I am assuming that you have evidence to support this unsubstantiated opinion. If you do have evidence then i look forward to seeing you hand over a dossier to Khun Tarit at the DSI who no doubt would be delighted to investigate (You may even get you picture in the paper - and if you're really lucky they'll let you point at something)

If on the other hand (and i think this is more likely the case) this supposed 'judicial corruption' is just opinion and you lack any evidence; may i kindly suggest that you calm down, apologies for getting over excited and a bit carried away, have an early night and log off.

ignore him - hes not red. yellow or any colour - just as you say "a troll"

And along with it the Thaksin dossier. You are all dreaming. Calling troll is admitting you have nothing left to offer in the way of debate and are left regurgitating Sutheps propaganda for him.

You also told him to ignore me... which you couldn't do? More do as I say, not as I do. Your post was entirely devoid of any facts or opinions on the subject. hmmm is that not trolling? making a post just to insult?

It is an opinion, and it is a valid opinion that I share with many people accross many media. I am a very close watcher of political shennanigans and the Courts side here with the Dems.

Suthep is not in charge here yet and opinions that run counter to his are, for now, allowed

Edited January 30, 2014 by pipkins

[BlueNoseCodger]

So now it's down to Suthep to start getting a brain and instead of obstructing the vote, try to use it..

Thai people please vote BUT if you don't like The Shinawatra clan VOTE NO to Phua Thai. sorted !

ps: as i understand it there are several new parties set up by thaksinites. What parties are they?

No its not - demographics proves you wrong - there are 24 million Isan voters who along with their families will be co-erced, threatened and beaten into voting Pheu Thai - democracy is NOT an option in red villages

Deluded rubbish.

Who coerces these 24 million Isan people? 24 million bullies? A million armed guards with disappearing bullets?

One minute you lot are saying "they've buy votes", the next it's "they're brain washed by Thaksin", now its some 'beatings' dished out to 24 million people???

Dems were voted out for 2010, and for cancelling a bunch of small social programs, including money for poor old people. A 1000 baht/month program for poor old people to feed themselves, that's 33 baht/day, 11 baht per meal. For doing nothing much, ignoring floods in the north, starting wars with neighbours, being generally corrupt and incompetent, introducing a massive censoring law to cover themselves, doing zero reforms, and generally failing to do much about anything.

I see one of the new opposition candidates wants to introduce a 1500 baht version of the old people law this time, so some opposition parties can see the value in it.

Edited January 30, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[jonclark]

Pipkins - The courts uphold the law

Your assertion that the courts side with the Dems is nonsense. They side with the law

Dec 2013 Abhisits murder case is accepted and ongoing

Jatuporn in Aug 2013 was acquitted of defamation against Suthep

Dec 2013 a Democrat MP was convicted of defamation against Jatuporn.

I'm sure there are many more.

You think the courts side with the Dems. What is more likely is that PTP (because this is the crux of your allegation of judicial corruption) don't win as many as they should because they are poorly prepared and rely on the mantra of 'we were elected'. Which in the eyes of the law is no defence - Like an opinion

So unless your evidence is presented well and is factual and can clearly refute the allegations the law will decide the winner.

Judges are decidedly solid in their un corruptibility - I mean we all remember what happened in 2008 when three of taksins lawyers were jailed for offering a case bribe in a cake box to the judges of the Supreme court in return for an acquittal - or in your opinion were those judges corrupt for not accepting the bribe quietly?

Edited January 30, 2014 by jonclark

[rickirs]

Bravo Mr. Abhisit! You have balls! Now - Will Suthep follow suit or is that like the tail wagging the dog?

This has nothing to do with courage. It has to do with Abhisit's political career in Thailand. He didn't just discover than Thai citizens including former PM's have the right to vote. And as far as his rationale that the election will be "nullified because it would not be hold only on the date fixed", it's a red herring; the Constitution Court held the dates can be changed by mutual agreement between the EC and the Government (Yingluck) and in fact the EC has annonced an additional voting date later in February. But whatever works that gives him an excuse to vote. If he is not giving up his right to do so, why would anyone follow Suthep to stop others from voting?

[Prbkk]

Mr Abhisit must have no shame. 6 weeks ago, around the same time the ambassador arrived, he was leading the goons protesting outside the gate. Now, in utter desperation, need a phot op. Shameless

[englishoak]

Rats leaving the Suthep ship, didn't think Mark would not vote for one second...must preserve the Dems taking part next time or the party would be dissolved

Edited January 30, 2014 by englishoak

[55Jay]

Mark isn't brave. As always, he lays low, comes up for air now and again, keeping his options open.

Edited January 30, 2014 by 55Jay

[blaze]

Davos 2015

'but you have to understand- the Shinawatres were BAD people'."

Obama you understand don't you? I am Democrat same as you- I SUPPORTED the vote.

Now walk away, why?

Obi?

anybody?

Edited January 30, 2014 by blaze

[BlueNoseCodger]

Abhisit has made the absolutely correct decision. And for those that are listening, he also states what clearly will be the focus in the coming days :

" He also said he consulted the legal team, and found that snap election would eventually be nullified because it would not be hold only on the date fixed. "

He is referring to article 108 in the constitution which states that an election must occur all on the same date - clearly a reference to the eight Southern provinces that will not be participating. And although the EC has bent today to the will of the administration regarding the holding of an " election part two " on February 23, it will almost certainly be headed to the Constitution Court on the basis of that article. But the events of this weekend's vote will likely be fraught with so many complications, that it will, in itself, create its own roadmap of intractable problems that will make it impossible to validate many MPs without the rescheduling of the entire election all over again.

But the 8 provinces will participate! The party list system is still in place, we will be voting for party 15 down here too!

I'm sure they're going for a judicial coup, and if that fails an administrative coup, but Suthep has failed to deliver any of his promises, so I don't think Abhisit should continue relying on Suthep!

He wants to be a leader? He needs to start leading!

[muntergok]

Yingluck and the American ambassador have been been telling him the same thing.As long as he is listening to one of them instead of that rabid poodle is what counts.

[casualbiker]

So now it's down to Suthep to start getting a brain and instead of obstructing the vote, try to use it..

Thai people please vote BUT if you don't like The Shinawatra clan VOTE NO to Phua Thai. sorted !

ps: as i understand it there are several new parties set up by thaksinites. What parties are they?

No its not - demographics proves you wrong - there are 24 million Isan voters who along with their families will be co-erced, threatened and beaten into voting Pheu Thai - democracy is NOT an option in red villages

Deluded rubbish.

Who coerces these 24 million Isan people? 24 million bullies? A million armed guards with disappearing bullets?

One minute you lot are saying "they've buy votes", the next it's "they're brain washed by Thaksin", now its some 'beatings' dished out to 24 million people???

Dems were voted out for

, and for cancelling a bunch of small social programs, including money for poor old people. A 1000 baht/month program for poor old people to feed themselves, that's 33 baht/day, 11 baht per meal. For doing nothing much, ignoring floods in the north, starting wars with neighbours, being generally corrupt and incompetent, introducing a massive censoring law to cover themselves, doing zero reforms, and generally failing to do much about anything.

I see one of the new opposition candidates wants to introduce a 1500 baht version of the old people law this time, so some opposition parties can see the value in it.

It would be nice if you could provide links to your rants about what the Democrats canceled while they were in government for 18 months. Thanks

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[pipkins]

The results will be interesting from the no side.

I'd be worried about a high no vote or vote no as it shows the total missfunctioning of the education system that was in place before Thaksin improved it.

Will educated people really give up their freedom, votes and future generation votes to Suthep... Will anybody say that is clever...... Don't think so mate

[casualbiker]

The results will be interesting from the no side.

I'd be worried about a high no vote or vote no as it shows the total missfunctioning of the education system that was in place before Thaksin improved it.

Will educated people really give up their freedom, votes and future generation votes to Suthep... Will anybody say that is clever...... Don't think so mate

How did Thaksin improve education in Thailand?

If people vote NO it means they don't want Shinawatra clan and that they possibly / probably want reform. I think uneducated people would say reform is not necessary!

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[Pops]

Wise words from a decent man.

Maybe for you.

Some would probably say, Weak words from a spineless man.

Just depends on which side you hear the words on.

I applaud his public support, for members of his party that do want to vote, though.

A real democrat !!