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[Woodsie888]

Jaguar Cars was not called Jaguar originally, what was it. ?

SS Cars

SS = ?

Swallow Sidecar Co

[transam]

Jaguar Cars was not called Jaguar originally, what was it. ?

SS Cars

SS = ?

Swallow Sidecar Co

Yep, they had SS on the grill, sooooooooo after WW2 it was changed to Jaguar cos the "SS" thing was high in folks thoughts .

[wilcopops]

No takers on the Citroen Double Chevron logo then?

Sorry I didn't see the question. If you means what is the siignificance a question I was going to put forward but ...

The Citroen chevrons are a depiction of gear teeth. Mr. Citroen started life machining "chevron" gears to increase the efficiency of gear driven machinery. (from memory without using the ubiquitous smart phone. I say from memory because I can't remember the exact technical term for the gear type but I could always "look it up")

Yes - they symbolise the "double bevel" which apart from anything were quieter than spur gears etc. many older engines used technology to run more quietly - e.g. sleeve valves.

[wilcopops]

Jaguar Cars was not called Jaguar originally, what was it. ?

SS Cars

SS = ?

IOeriginally "Swallow Side cars" for motorcycles they changed the name after the war to avoid the connotations associated with "SS"

[Jitar]

No takers on the Citroen Double Chevron logo then?

Sorry I didn't see the question. If you means what is the significance a question I was going to put forward but ...

The Citroen chevrons are a depiction of gear teeth. Mr. Citroen started life machining "chevron" gears to increase the efficiency of gear driven machinery. (from memory without using the ubiquitous smart phone. I say from memory because I can't remember the exact technical term for the gear type but I could always "look it up")

Yes - they symbolise the "double bevel" which apart from anything were quieter than spur gears etc. many older engines used technology to run more quietly - e.g. sleeve valves.

Good story for the Logo but the terms are a little off. The Logo looks like double Helical or Herringbone gear teeth. Helical gears are smoother and quieter than spur gears but create an axial or end thrust. The herringbone design is a nice way to equalise the thrust forces. These gears are still very common for big industrial transmissions.

Bevel gears are different again.

[wilcopops]

No takers on the Citroen Double Chevron logo then?

Sorry I didn't see the question. If you means what is the significance a question I was going to put forward but ...

The Citroen chevrons are a depiction of gear teeth. Mr. Citroen started life machining "chevron" gears to increase the efficiency of gear driven machinery. (from memory without using the ubiquitous smart phone. I say from memory because I can't remember the exact technical term for the gear type but I could always "look it up")

Yes - they symbolise the "double bevel" which apart from anything were quieter than spur gears etc. many older engines used technology to run more quietly - e.g. sleeve valves.

Good story for the Logo but the terms are a little off. The Logo looks like double Helical or Herringbone gear teeth. Helical gears are smoother and quieter than spur gears but create an axial or end thrust. The herringbone design is a nice way to equalise the thrust forces. These gears are still very common for big industrial transmissions.

Bevel gears are different again.

"The origin of the logo may be traced back to a trip made by the 22-year-old André Citroën to Łódź city, Poland, where he discovered an innovative design for a chevron-shaped gear used in milling. He bought the patent for its application in steel. Mechanically a gear with helical teeth produces an axial force. By adding a second helical gear in opposition, this force is cancelled. The two chevrons of the logo represent the intermeshing contact of the two"

[wilcopops]

Still no takers of the origins of "GT"?

[Jitar]

Dunno but wiki says -

A grand tourer (Italian: gran turismo) (GT) is a performance or luxury automobilecapable of high speed or spirited long-distance driving. The most common format is a two-door coupé with either a two-seat or a 2+2 arrangement.

The term derives from the Italian phrase gran turismo, a tribute to the tradition of thegrand tour, used to represent automobiles regarded as grand tourers, able to make long-distance, high-speed journeys in both comfort and style. The English translation is grand touring.

[transam]

Still no takers of the origins of "GT"?

Just thought it was an Italian thing, Grand Turisimo.

[transam]

Still no takers of the origins of "GT"?

Just thought it was an Italian thing, Grand Turisimo.

[transam]

Still no takers of the origins of "GT"?

Just thought it was an Italian thing, Grand Turisimo.

[Kwasaki]

Still no takers of the origins of "GT"?

Only ever knew it as standing for Grand Tourer.

Apparently also a Italian racing term meaning a great race.

[transam]

There is a concept saloon car out there that has been made but not put into production, it has 1000hp under the bonnet . How many cc is the engine, do you think ?

[wilcopops]

No takers on the Citroen Double Chevron logo then?

Sorry I didn't see the question. If you means what is the siignificance a question I was going to put forward but ...

The Citroen chevrons are a depiction of gear teeth. Mr. Citroen started life machining "chevron" gears to increase the efficiency of gear driven machinery. (from memory without using the ubiquitous smart phone. I say from memory because I can't remember the exact technical term for the gear type but I could always "look it up")

Citroen_logo_graig_500RB.jpg

[transam]

This is a Rover SDi, bit of a trick question, but how many cc do you think it is. I have looked under the hood to confirm. ?

[wilcopops]

The first GT - the concept of the "Grand Tour" was essentially British from the 17th and 18th centuries. young aristocrats were expected to have a good knowledge of the classics. To this end they would - subject to wars and other obstacles - set off to Rome, considered the seat of classicism to brush up on their classical eduction.

they would travel with a large entourage and return to England with as much classical relics as their servants could carry.

these tours had significant effects on the Art and Design of the 18th Century Britain and beyond...... The neo-classical architecture of so many stately homes owes its existence to this. Adams the architect, designed houses for the aristocracy with niches specially built to house the statues plundered from Rome and elsewhere.

Rolls Royce were obviously aware of where their customer base lay and in order to outline the capabilities of their car (I can't remember which model - probably a Ghost) decided it would be a good idea to emulate the journey undertaken by those customers' ancestors. So early on in the 20thC...they drove one of their cars from London to Rome to re-create the grand tour and drum up a little publicity. hence the concept of a car capable of performing reliably over long distances. In reality the exercise may have impressed the Italians more than the British and they were well aware of the money to be made from those on a "Grand Tour".

Rolls in typical British fashion failed to copywriter the name Grand Tourer or GT - which in hindsight is a bit of a pity.

Edited March 6, 2014 by wilcopops

[wilcopops]

Ferrari GTO - Gran Turismo Omologato, (English "homologated") was to signify that the vehicle conformed to an agreed set of racing specifications.

It would seem that Pontiac had no idea of what the "O" stood for it just seemed a nice name.

BTW - what does "Ferrari" mean? (the clue is in the badge)

Edited March 6, 2014 by wilcopops

[wilcopops]

Sorry I didn't see the question. If you means what is the significance a question I was going to put forward but ...

The Citroen chevrons are a depiction of gear teeth. Mr. Citroen started life machining "chevron" gears to increase the efficiency of gear driven machinery. (from memory without using the ubiquitous smart phone. I say from memory because I can't remember the exact technical term for the gear type but I could always "look it up")

Yes - they symbolise the "double bevel" which apart from anything were quieter than spur gears etc. many older engines used technology to run more quietly - e.g. sleeve valves.

Good story for the Logo but the terms are a little off. The Logo looks like double Helical or Herringbone gear teeth. Helical gears are smoother and quieter than spur gears but create an axial or end thrust. The herringbone design is a nice way to equalise the thrust forces. These gears are still very common for big industrial transmissions.

Bevel gears are different again.

"The origin of the logo may be traced back to a trip made by the 22-year-old André Citroën to Łódź city, Poland, where he discovered an innovative design for a chevron-shaped gear used in milling. He bought the patent for its application in steel. Mechanically a gear with helical teeth produces an axial force. By adding a second helical gear in opposition, this force is cancelled. The two chevrons of the logo represent the intermeshing contact of the two"

Citroen_logo_graig_500RB.jpg

[Familyonthemove]

There is a concept saloon car out there that has been made but not put into production, it has 1000hp under the bonnet . How many cc is the engine, do you think ?

None - it's electric?

[wilcopops]

This is a Rover SDi, bit of a trick question, but how many cc do you think it is. I have looked under the hood to confirm. ?

rover-sd1-rollsroyce-lead.jpg

No idea.....but the SHAPE of the SDI has an interesting history.

Pinifarina used to design/style a lot for BMC/BL and they produced a couple of really nice shapes designed for the 1100 and 1800...again BL "knew best" and ignored the pro typed shapes. These later became the Citroen GS and CX..........realising their mistake the SD1 took on that shape......but of course it wasn't front wheel drive or even IRS....they also failed ever to produce the estate car version.....never understand why BL had such an aversion to station wagons.

[transam]

There is a concept saloon car out there that has been made but not put into production, it has 1000hp under the bonnet . How many cc is the engine, do you think ?

None - it's electric?

Nope.

[Ace of Pop]

Woodsie888, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:13, said:

Ace of Pop, on 06 Mar 2014 - 11:37, said:

Jensen Interceptor. Buick Sabre.

Was actually a Buick Le Sabre. Not sure if Le Sabre was a plane though.

Perhaps it was in France. .Toyota Harrier,as in Jump Jet.

[Woodsie888]

This is a Rover SDi, bit of a trick question, but how many cc do you think it is. I have looked under the hood to confirm. ?

rover-sd1-rollsroyce-lead.jpg

27,000

[transam]

This is a Rover SDi, bit of a trick question, but how many cc do you think it is. I have looked under the hood to confirm. ?

rover-sd1-rollsroyce-lead.jpg

27,000

Here it is................

[Woodsie888]

This is a Rover SDi, bit of a trick question, but how many cc do you think it is. I have looked under the hood to confirm. ?

rover-sd1-rollsroyce-lead.jpg

27,000

Here it is................

SDi Merlin.jpg

So you gave us a photo of a Merlin in an SD1, but haven't told us the answer to your question.

[transam]

This is a Rover SDi, bit of a trick question, but how many cc do you think it is. I have looked under the hood to confirm. ?

rover-sd1-rollsroyce-lead.jpg

27,000

Here it is................

SDi Merlin.jpg

So you gave us a photo of a Merlin in an SD1, but haven't told us the answer to your question.

You were right, 27000cc............

[transam]

The answer to my other question. 13,600cc V16 Cadillac.............

[MMarlow]

It was factory upgraded to V8 from that lump,then it became the MGB GT V8.

MGC was never a V8.

[Ace of Pop]

Yes i Was wrong

[VocalNeal]

Back to Citroen. I looked it up they are called herringbone gears. Apparently crucial for the advent of steam turbine ships as there is no axial load.