Patje Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 This article doesn't deserve any comments. Now there's a paradox. I even hope it's not printed somewhere..... Waste of paper !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzainoz Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 a no vote in any country is a wasted and gutless vote .... So using your logic If you think PTP are a bunch of corrupt politicians and there is no other major party to vote for you must vote for corruption In my world thats call dictatorship Democracy says we can choose to say no if we are not happy with any party I hope in your country your main opposition party is not that idiot to not run for elections, whichever is the reason. They chosen to not run, so you can't call it dictatorship. 1) in Australia the opposition are corrupt Politicians so that is why unlike Thailand they are in Opposotion 2) the rest of you message not makes sense if is refers to my posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzainoz Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 This article doesn't deserve any comments. Now there's a paradox. I even hope it's not printed somewhere..... Waste of paper !! That make 2 members who admit they read rubbish Guess to each his own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcomer71 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 a no vote in any country is a wasted and gutless vote .... So using your logic If you think PTP are a bunch of corrupt politicians and there is no other major party to vote for you must vote for corruption In my world thats call dictatorship Democracy says we can choose to say no if we are not happy with any party I hope in your country your main opposition party is not that idiot to not run for elections, whichever is the reason. They chosen to not run, so you can't call it dictatorship. 1) in Australia the opposition are corrupt Politicians so that is why unlike Thailand they are in Opposotion 2) the rest of you message not makes sense if is refers to my posting O___O Not make any sense? You wrote this "If you think PTP are a bunch of corrupt politicians and there is no other major party to vote for you must vote for corruption In my world thats call dictatorship" Here the situation is: Government is corrupt and inept. Opposition (Dem + Suthep) are same corrupt and even more inept. In a dictatorship all state organs make in the way that leader stay at power. As we see CC, EC and courts are sure not helping PTP to stay in charge, at opposite... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melyn Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I see the Chiang Mai result "Spoiled Ballots" had over 12% of the vote. That speaks volumes. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Way to go, bash the messenger when you have no answer to the message, which is : Whatever way you look at it all those who voted no and did not vote did not want PT. If they had wanted them they would have voted for them. So the total of the vote no's and the no votes plus those who voted for other parties equals those who do not want any more of the corrupt Thaksin led bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melyn Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Way to go, bash the messenger when you have no answer to the message, which is : Whatever way you look at it all those who voted no and did not vote did not want PT. If they had wanted them they would have voted for them. So the total of the vote no's and the no votes plus those who voted for other parties equals those who do not want any more of the corrupt Thaksin led bunch. Time for little miss Burberry Boots to fall on her sword Sent from my Nexus 7 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 "The grand paradox of the 'No' votes" The government doesn't take "No" for an answer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scamper Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 This article is an exhausting exercise in free-associative narrative. Apart from that, we don't know - nor should we know - what goes on in the minds of voters. That is why it is a secret process. The fact that people voted " no " for a multitude of reasons is no different that if they committed to a particular candidate. People vote for candidates for a variety of reasons as well. It's not the basis of Gestalt speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tingtongteesood Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 The point is that regardless of the OP, those who cast a No vote do not want PT. Those who didn't vote do not want PT. Combined even considering those who haven't voted yet who want to, more than 50% of the country cast a no vote or didn't vote, so the majority do not want PT. The people have spoken. 'Nuff said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tingtongteesood Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 a no vote in any country is a wasted and gutless vote .... So using your logic If you think PTP are a bunch of corrupt politicians and there is no other major party to vote for you must vote for corruption In my world thats call dictatorship Democracy says we can choose to say no if we are not happy with any party I hope in your country your main opposition party is not that idiot to not run for elections, whichever is the reason. They chosen to not run, so you can't call it dictatorship. They didn't run because they believe the election to be illigitimate. Good on em. On top of that by not running PT have gotten an embarrassingly low vote that they can not blame the Dems for since they weren't running. The Dems also knew the election will be nullified anyway so why waste any effort on it ? Well played by them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzainoz Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 a no vote in any country is a wasted and gutless vote .... So using your logic If you think PTP are a bunch of corrupt politicians and there is no other major party to vote for you must vote for corruption In my world thats call dictatorship Democracy says we can choose to say no if we are not happy with any party I hope in your country your main opposition party is not that idiot to not run for elections, whichever is the reason. They chosen to not run, so you can't call it dictatorship. They didn't run because they believe the election to be illigitimate. Good on em. On top of that by not running PT have gotten an embarrassingly low vote that they can not blame the Dems for since they weren't running. The Dems also knew the election will be nullified anyway so why waste any effort on it ? Well played by them. So looking at your opinion The PTP should know they would even if win have a election it would be thrown out, so they where happy to waste the money that could help the poor people they are saying they will help in the North On the other hand the Democrates would know the same pulled out of the election as they where not ready to thrown their money into a bottomess pit Guess that opinion makes alot of sense Now maybe the red shirt backer mob will tell us why the government was right to waste all this money while the people suffer I am interested in both sides of the story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcomer71 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I hope in your country your main opposition party is not that idiot to not run for elections, whichever is the reason. They chosen to not run, so you can't call it dictatorship. They didn't run because they believe the election to be illigitimate. Good on em. On top of that by not running PT have gotten an embarrassingly low vote that they can not blame the Dems for since they weren't running. The Dems also knew the election will be nullified anyway so why waste any effort on it ? Well played by them. So looking at your opinion The PTP should know they would even if win have a election it would be thrown out, so they where happy to waste the money that could help the poor people they are saying they will help in the North On the other hand the Democrates would know the same pulled out of the election as they where not ready to thrown their money into a bottomess pit Guess that opinion makes alot of sense Now maybe the red shirt backer mob will tell us why the government was right to waste all this money while the people suffer I am interested in both sides of the story I beg your pardon, before you talk about dictatorship, then you find excuses about waste of money. Ok then, little help for you. Dems calls themselves out AFTER elections were called. What would you do? Cancel elections because the (wrong in my opinion) choice of a party? That's laughable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Oscar Wilde's definition of democracy seems apt, and for many countries besides Thailand: 'Democracy is simply the bludgeoning of the people, for the people, by the people.' Edited February 5, 2014 by metisdead Oversize font reset to normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyatom Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 You did the right thing. Yes, you who went out and cast your "No" votes on Sunday. Does this mean "The Nation" is saying the right thing was to cast a "No" vote? What happened to newspapers being politically neutral? You must have just arrived in Thailand from Mars! The Nation (and the Post), are hopelessly biased toward the Ruling Elite. Slavish support for the RE has long since replaced any attempt at serious journalism. This is to be expected as the university educated journalists live within a 25 baht Skytrain ride of Siam Square and have no idea what life is like for ordinary Thais. So how do you explain all the pro government media which far outweighs the anti gov media? In fact there are more media owned by the state than there are anti-gov media, and the independents that are pro-gov are basically controlled by the government anyway.... especially under the emergency decree which was just another exercise in a political party harnessing state resources to gain electoral advantage. If you had it your way, the entire media would laud Thaksin and the PTP just like the entire media in Iraq under Saddam. Complaining about bias when you are clearly being bias is plainly hypocritical don't you think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iTravelNow Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 You did the right thing. Yes, you who went out and cast your "No" votes on Sunday. Does this mean "The Nation" is saying the right thing was to cast a "No" vote? What happened to newspapers being politically neutral? It's an opinion piece. A good opinion, in my opinion. Not only. It's funny written in some parts. nice piece of writing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 So looking at your opinion The PTP should know they would even if win have a election it would be thrown out, so they where happy to waste the money that could help the poor people they are saying they will help in the North On the other hand the Democrates would know the same pulled out of the election as they where not ready to thrown their money into a bottomess pit Guess that opinion makes alot of sense Now maybe the red shirt backer mob will tell us why the government was right to waste all this money while the people suffer I am interested in both sides of the story Putting aside the question of right or wrong, the govt had a duty by law to have elections after parliament was dissolved. Some posters would undoubtedly counter by saying that the elections could have been postponed. Apparently, the govt was willing to consider this IF they would have received assurances that they would not be subsequently taken to court over this decision. Sadly, since this assurance was not forthcoming, they had no choice but to conduct the elections in order to comply with the law. Once again, this is all putting aside the moral rights or wrongs, but just the legal position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attento Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Democracy is a form of government, not only an electoral system. A democratically elected government should be open, honest and inclusive. When any of these factors is lost, democracy is starting to fail. The people here have done their part for democracy many times by casting their votes, unfortunately the elected governments have fallen short of true democratic governance. Sadly, there seems no end in sight to this lack of political integrity and competance. Edited February 5, 2014 by attento Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzainoz Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I hope in your country your main opposition party is not that idiot to not run for elections, whichever is the reason. They chosen to not run, so you can't call it dictatorship. They didn't run because they believe the election to be illigitimate. Good on em. On top of that by not running PT have gotten an embarrassingly low vote that they can not blame the Dems for since they weren't running. The Dems also knew the election will be nullified anyway so why waste any effort on it ? Well played by them. So looking at your opinion The PTP should know they would even if win have a election it would be thrown out, so they where happy to waste the money that could help the poor people they are saying they will help in the North On the other hand the Democrates would know the same pulled out of the election as they where not ready to thrown their money into a bottomess pit Guess that opinion makes alot of sense Now maybe the red shirt backer mob will tell us why the government was right to waste all this money while the people suffer I am interested in both sides of the story I beg your pardon, before you talk about dictatorship, then you find excuses about waste of money. Ok then, little help for you. Dems calls themselves out AFTER elections were called. What would you do? Cancel elections because the (wrong in my opinion) choice of a party? That's laughable. MMMMhh before you go shoot off you mouth This was someone else's opinion not mine, I was just trying to understand what is was he was trying to say I made the comment that it made sense I then ask to hear the red shirts side of the story and got you Seems you only made his story more real I have said before I have met a lot of fools But only a few open their mouths and prove it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzainoz Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Oscar Wilde's definition of democracy seems apt, and for many countries besides Thailand: 'Democracy is simply the bludgeoning of the people, for the people, by the people.' I can not argue with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzainoz Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 So looking at your opinion The PTP should know they would even if win have a election it would be thrown out, so they where happy to waste the money that could help the poor people they are saying they will help in the North On the other hand the Democrates would know the same pulled out of the election as they where not ready to thrown their money into a bottomess pit Guess that opinion makes alot of sense Now maybe the red shirt backer mob will tell us why the government was right to waste all this money while the people suffer I am interested in both sides of the story Putting aside the question of right or wrong, the govt had a duty by law to have elections after parliament was dissolved. Some posters would undoubtedly counter by saying that the elections could have been postponed. Apparently, the govt was willing to consider this IF they would have received assurances that they would not be subsequently taken to court over this decision. Sadly, since this assurance was not forthcoming, they had no choice but to conduct the elections in order to comply with the law. Once again, this is all putting aside the moral rights or wrongs, but just the legal position. Not exactly correct There where many protestors who made it clear they would return to their homes if the election was held after the time had past to stop the amnesty bill resurfacing I wrote about this my self and Yingluck said she was only thinking about it never said she would Would have saved alot of trouble if she did but this was a big games of chess and she was and still is just a pawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 So looking at your opinion The PTP should know they would even if win have a election it would be thrown out, so they where happy to waste the money that could help the poor people they are saying they will help in the North On the other hand the Democrates would know the same pulled out of the election as they where not ready to thrown their money into a bottomess pit Guess that opinion makes alot of sense Now maybe the red shirt backer mob will tell us why the government was right to waste all this money while the people suffer I am interested in both sides of the story Putting aside the question of right or wrong, the govt had a duty by law to have elections after parliament was dissolved. Some posters would undoubtedly counter by saying that the elections could have been postponed. Apparently, the govt was willing to consider this IF they would have received assurances that they would not be subsequently taken to court over this decision. Sadly, since this assurance was not forthcoming, they had no choice but to conduct the elections in order to comply with the law. Once again, this is all putting aside the moral rights or wrongs, but just the legal position. Not exactly correct There where many protestors who made it clear they would return to their homes if the election was held after the time had past to stop the amnesty bill resurfacing I wrote about this my self and Yingluck said she was only thinking about it never said she would Would have saved alot of trouble if she did but this was a big games of chess and she was and still is just a pawn Sorry but what is not exactly correct about my post? I know you love your Thai wife and her Thai friends dearly but I think that the PM of a country should consider the constitution first, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Did you stop reading after the first sentence? If it's written byTulsathit Taptim, it's not worth even going that far................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdmtdm Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 a no vote in any country is a wasted and gutless vote .... So using your logic If you think PTP are a bunch of corrupt politicians and there is no other major party to vote for you must vote for corruption In my world thats call dictatorship Democracy says we can choose to say no if we are not happy with any party a fully functioning ,democratically elected govt can be forced to change democratically by public and opposition scrutiny , on the other hand an ongoing caretaker govt will spiral the country into a civil war ..... those are the two options on the table !! if the finger is to be pointed as to why this situation exists , it is because of no real OPPOSITION PARTIES ... if the educated masses are pinning there hopes on Abhisit and Suthep then its game over !! so again a no vote in this current situation is wasted and dangerous ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcomer71 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 MMMMhh before you go shoot off you mouth This was someone else's opinion not mine, I was just trying to understand what is was he was trying to say I made the comment that it made sense I then ask to hear the red shirts side of the story and got you Seems you only made his story more real I have said before I have met a lot of fools But only a few open their mouths and prove it First, I wonder why you have to insult me, when I did not lack of respect toward you. You tell me to shut up my mouth and that I am a fool, but this is what you wrote (original quote, ok?) a no vote in any country is a wasted and gutless vote .... So using your logic If you think PTP are a bunch of corrupt politicians and there is no other major party to vote for you must vote for corruption In my world thats call dictatorship Democracy says we can choose to say no if we are not happy with any party The first part you wrote is referring to the cdmtdm quote. The second part is what you write or not? If not, then is written in a way that it seems your thought. If yes, I replied just to your thought, without offend you... By the way, not a problem. I will avoid to reply your posts as I don't like to be insulted for something you wrote... Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancnx Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 It took me 60 seconds to read the OP. What a utter waste of time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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