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Help needed, any ideas here? The Honda shop have no clue.

2012 click 108cc..low k's very good all round condition.

Never had a problem, till ;

Last week i was going to take a heavyish guy as pillion, he jumped on and when i pushed the electric starter..nothing..[first time i've had a pillion weight on the bike [ possible clue]

Kick started it and off we go..

Took it to Honda shop Chang klan rd..[next to no english spoken here]and it all goes downhill..need new battery..try.. no not the battery.relay? no..

OK you away and we will fix it...came back and the bike was starting...showed me brushes that were worn and replaced..paid them and when i got on the bike..no start!!

Leave the bike and come back tomorrow..this time the bendix was the cure [weak spring]...pay and go..all good..all day running around starting every time..relief!

Next morning ..no start..#$#%%#$$%%.back to honda left it there and came back afternoon..you need new startermotor...HUH??

They didn't have a new one in stock but fitted one out of a spare bike..you come back 10 days and get the new one fitted..OK.

Bike agian started and off i go...two days of no problems..alls good.

Tues night went out, put the heavy guy on the back, and yes!!! again..extra weight and will not start...

All day yesterday i had to kick start and then this morning i worked on electric start....

I suspect that it is not at all the starter motor itself [know its not] but is maybe aloose connection/pinched wire or a faulty safety switch on side stand or brake levers..

Asked at the shop just now..problem with switch?..no no not problem and he commenced to show me with spare parts that a small stone had jammed the gears from starter motor to engine..bizarre..no way..and relay and this and that have problem.....

You come back next week and we will fit the new starter motor for you and all is good.

I just left shaking my head..i don;t want to pay for a new starter when its not the problem, and the ''mechanics'' seem to have not a clue.

I don't really want to go to another honda shop and go through the same shit and i still owe the first one money for the new[unneeded one on order]

I suspect a lot of loosing face is about to happen if i go back to the same shop anyway, and if i don't they will be on the look out for me to get the money owed..

Anyone had a similar issue or have a good idea on what to check to solve this issue..

Any sound advice more than welcomed and much appreciated..Thanks

Posted

When it is not starting you should measure if the startermotor is getting +12V. If so then also test the earth connection from the startermotor. It is also possible that the thick +12V cable to the startermotor is broken but still let's 12V through but not in high amps.

Are you sure it is not the side-standard which is not folded in properly and causing faillure to start? Or maybe there is dirt on the switch of the side-standard or a loose connection?

This problem is only solvable when it refuses to start. Then you should measure if the startermotor is getting +12V from the switch, +12V from the battery and if it has a good earth-connection.

Posted

Check fuel line is not crushed when weight is on the pillion, is the engine turning over but not starting, if that is the case i'd go for fuel or loose wire, however if the bike is carb rather than efi(2012 should be efi I would think) the bike would start with the fuel left in the float bowl. Hondas are very reliable in general especially something as new as this, wish I was over there and not in London to give you a hand! When sorted please post what thhe problem was, ps; have you tried any bike forums for ideas? All the best.

Dave

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With some rumination sadly this highlights the fact that in many aspect of life and I am going to generalize here that a lot of Thais are not very good at diagnosis. Have a broken con road and the engine will be rebuilt quickly and for the most part professionally but when presented with some problem that is not obvious the process of diagnosis seems sadly lacking.

Posted

Does it have the safety feature of having to hold the brake for it to start?

If so push the start button while holding and releasing the brake handle also wiggle the handle if you can.

Probably a bad contact on the safety switch.

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Sounds like a truly horrendous experience. I had a similar situation the other week with a friends car up in the North East. Power steering failed, garage change the pump. Still didn't work, changed pump again, still didn't work. I identified the problem and replaced on of the o-ring's on the inlet, cost about 25 baht from Honda. They are very keen here to just throw it away and fit a new one....

i think everything you are describing points to a either a bad earth somewhere in the circuit. Could it possibly be the side-stand switch that cuts out the engine sticking intermittently? I could be completely wrong there as i'm not sure if it would start on the kick if that was the case.

Here is the wiring diagram for the bike. http://mototh.com/files/honda/Click125i/Honda-Click125i-ANC125BST-Diagram.pdf I would say its a case of someone getting down and dirty with an electrical circuit tester as mentioned in one of the above posts. Its difficult to find a real mechanic these days most just know how to take things off and put a new one on.

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Try to renew the electric starter button switch unit, it get corrosion after a few years.......

Happens with my 9 year old Honda wave 3 times, till now 133K km on the clock wai2.gif

Good luck.!

Posted

If there is a safety switch on the rear brake I would also check that out. I think its very likely that either the one on the stand or the one on the brake lever are sticking.

If the bike is not starting on the button you could try bypassing the switches one at a time as a way of identifying which one is playing up. How many safety switches are there?

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As someone said Thais do have difficulty diagnosing problems, they just replace whatever they think might be causing it !!

I have had success with ROAD MACHINES motor bike shop on third road. Head south from patta klang, a few km's further on go past the buffalo bat on the left, and you will soon see the village sub division on the left. road machines is close by on the right. good work and speak english. they get a lot of large capacity, expensive bikes in there for service

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Intermittent electrical faults like this can be a real bitch to fix.

The first thing to do is to get a copy of the circuit and study it carefully.

Next is swap all the obvious bits (as you have done) and with luck you will chance on the fault.

But if all all else fails, I make up a plastic box with a bunch of LEDs and wire it to monitor the obvious points.

Then next time the fault appears you can analyse the LEDs and figure out what is going on.

Sometimes it takes a few wiring revisions before you succeed.

Yes it's a pain, but with this method I have saved quite a few vehicles which would otherwise have been scrapped.

I could tell some stories.....

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Don't try and start your bike with your heavy friend on the back. Problem solved! smile.png

I suspect the weight of your friend is causing one of the wires to stretch and lose contact. Maybe take it to another shop and just say you want all the wiring redone. A few hundred baht cost maybe?

Posted

You don't say whether is totally dead or if starter is turning but engine is not firing.

First thing to check is the side stand cut out (safety) switch, they get full of crap and bunged up, so give it a good cleaning and invest in a tin of WD40 type spray. Dowse the swicth with it, go over all your switch gear as mentioned and give them all a good dowsing in the spray, spray everything bar the brake (discs) just keep well clear of your brakes and tyres with it. if prob still occurs then that is when I would start tracing wires etc. Intermittent fault points to electrical fault, if was fuel starvation then it would be more prevalent.

Give it a clean + oil and see how you get on, tell lard ar$e to hire a scooter lol and lets us know how you get on with it, Good luck!

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In order to analyse the problem a few answers would help.

1. Is the engine cranking at all, or just dead?

2. If the engine is cranking, is it at full speed, or slow and tired?

3. If at full speed, is it firing at all and just won't catch, or nothing?

4. If it is cranking and not firing at all, are you getting a spark?

5. Does it start easily every time you kick-start it?

Assuming purely a cranking problem, first check volts at the battery, first with the ignition off, then on, then during crank.

Answers 6, 7 and 8.

You title this "intermittent", 9. in what way?

Then post.

Posted

When you hold the brake on is the brake light on.

Mine had an intermittent problem with the switch on the brake...... with the start button being on the right it was the rear brake.

Posted

In order to analyse the problem a few answers would help.

1. Is the engine cranking at all, or just dead?

2. If the engine is cranking, is it at full speed, or slow and tired?

3. If at full speed, is it firing at all and just won't catch, or nothing?

4. If it is cranking and not firing at all, are you getting a spark?

5. Does it start easily every time you kick-start it?

Assuming purely a cranking problem, first check volts at the battery, first with the ignition off, then on, then during crank.

Answers 6, 7 and 8.

You title this "intermittent", 9. in what way?

Then post.

Whilst i do appreciate helpful info i wish people would read the whole OP..i think i posted much more info than needed but still people don't get it..

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2012 click 108cc..low k's very good all round condition. [In other words not a beat up old troublesome bike]

Never had a problem, till ;

Last week i was going to take a heavyish guy as pillion, he jumped on and when i pushed the electric starter..nothing.[nothing..meaning not a peep,,not a slow turn ..nothing!!]

Kick started it and off we go..[off we go...meaning yes its all good..ride away on it]

need new battery..try.. no not the battery.relay? no.[the battery and relay tested good..so not a bad battery and associated system]

OK you away and we will fix it...came back and the bike was starting...showed me brushes that were worn and replaced..paid them and when i got on the bike..no start!!

Leave the bike and come back tomorrow..this time the bendix was the cure [weak spring]...pay and go..all good..all day running around starting every time..relief!

Next morning ..no start..#$#%%#$$%%.back to honda left it there and came back afternoon..you need new startermotor...HUH??

Bike agian started and off i go...two days of no problems..alls good.

Tues night went out, put the heavy guy on the back, and yes!!! again..extra weight and will not start...

All day yesterday i had to kick start and then this morning it worked on electric starter....

Asked at the shop just now..problem with switch?..no no not problem

Anyone had a similar issue or have a good idea on what to check to solve this issue..[i am mechanically capable so can do a check myself to confirm...but where to start???]

Any sound advice more than welcomed and much appreciated..Thanks sad.png

As per above... starts..on kick start every time and on electric now and again..intermittant it is...i would have stated in OP if it never ran..it does, just doesn't start every time on electric start

Posted

I had jumped to the conclusion its not turning over by the "press the button and nothing" in the description of the fault. Also the fact that the garage went straight for the relay. WD40 is definitely worth a punt, depends how sealed the switch unit is, if its underneath the bike it should be quite well sealed.

If it was mine I would take some time over the weekend taking both switches off and giving them a good old clean and inspection.

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My wife translated my manual for me and it sais if you use idling stop a lot then the battery might get empty. Maybe that's the case if your click also has idling stop and you use it all the time.

It sure is an electric problem if the kickstarter works. You have new battery, new starter engine so those are all sound. Then you have the wiring that will probably be the problem. Kickstarter also does not make the bike start if the stand is out or the brake-leverswitch is the culprit so i guess those 2 are also not the problem.

It will be in the electric system for the startmotor.

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just keep well clear of your brakes and tyres with it.

Strangely and contra to normal thinking there is nothing wrong with getting WD-40 on the tyres. Providing, and here is the key, you do not ride when the WD-40 is still wet. If you leave the tyre say overnight the rubber adsorbs the oily content and the volatile components evaporate.

I used to store my Kart tires between weekends , sprayed with WD-40 and kept in a sealed garbage bag. (Technically illegal as the WD-40 softens the tires, but...I only did it for storage!)

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Here some tips from an old biker. It would take me less than an hour to find and fix the problem.

The - ( minus) cable of your battery goes to your frame. The plus cable goes from your battery into your headlight, where many cables can be seen. From there they go to your starter button.

Always when you it heavy weight on seems that the cables are a sort of too short. Just take that plastic stuff off, watch your cables, what happens.

A good tool is a voltmeter, easy to use.

1. Does the minus cable have a good connection to the chassis?

2. Does the plus+ cable have a good connection all through? Start at the battery first and follow the cables.

3. There's also a starter relay. Check if you've got electricity when they bike doesn't start.

4. Those cheap Japanese cable connectors have little plugs, which sometimes don't connect properly, especially when you put a lot of weight on and they're sort of too short, which causes your described problem.

5. Follow my steps and you'll find the mistake without a superficial Thai mechanic.-wai2.gif

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I would still go for the side stand switch if the bike has one (I don't own a 2012 Click) most bikes/scooters have them. Reason is it is easy to check and ensure that is not the cause before you start stripping the panels off. Squirting a bit of WD or similar is good practice on your ride anyway (although personally would not put on tyres - up to you though I suppose VocalNeal ? I was more referring to Brake discs for any peeps who do not do any maintenance etc, not directed at andre) Once I ruled this out then I would start checking Earth Grounds to Chasis/frame ensure all good as posted above. Nowt to do with Battery/rectifier going off the symptoms, if nothing found then start removing panels/bodywork and trace wiring loom for any Chaffing bad joints/connections.

I have watched Soi Mechanics and Main dealer guys in LOS do some Crazy things with bikes (e.g. Flushing out brake reservoirs with water prior to replacing with new fluid - Nutz)

Take your time and eliminate one thing at a time, it may be a good thing this fault has shown up now instead of you getting stranded somewhere with it. I had to buy a full wiring loom last year for my Nouvo, was 1200 bhat fitted (4 day wait BKK to Phuket) That was bad wiring causing the LED dash to go all <deleted> up every now and then - all Yam dealers said it was a faulty dash, it wasn't the wiring had chaffed in places/rubbed up against the frame through poor fitting at the factory, 3 years on and I get the result. Been fine for nearly 12 months now.

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In order to analyse the problem a few answers would help.

1. Is the engine cranking at all, or just dead?

2. If the engine is cranking, is it at full speed, or slow and tired?

3. If at full speed, is it firing at all and just won't catch, or nothing?

4. If it is cranking and not firing at all, are you getting a spark?

5. Does it start easily every time you kick-start it?

Assuming purely a cranking problem, first check volts at the battery, first with the ignition off, then on, then during crank.

Answers 6, 7 and 8.

You title this "intermittent", 9. in what way?

Then post.

Whilst i do appreciate helpful info i wish people would read the whole OP..i think i posted much more info than needed but still people don't get it..

.

2012 click 108cc..low k's very good all round condition. [In other words not a beat up old troublesome bike]

Never had a problem, till ;

Last week i was going to take a heavyish guy as pillion, he jumped on and when i pushed the electric starter..nothing.[nothing..meaning not a peep,,not a slow turn ..nothing!!]

Kick started it and off we go..[off we go...meaning yes its all good..ride away on it]

need new battery..try.. no not the battery.relay? no.[the battery and relay tested good..so not a bad battery and associated system]

OK you away and we will fix it...came back and the bike was starting...showed me brushes that were worn and replaced..paid them and when i got on the bike..no start!!

Leave the bike and come back tomorrow..this time the bendix was the cure [weak spring]...pay and go..all good..all day running around starting every time..relief!

Next morning ..no start..#$#%%#$$%%.back to honda left it there and came back afternoon..you need new startermotor...HUH??

Bike agian started and off i go...two days of no problems..alls good.

Tues night went out, put the heavy guy on the back, and yes!!! again..extra weight and will not start...

All day yesterday i had to kick start and then this morning it worked on electric starter....

Asked at the shop just now..problem with switch?..no no not problem

Anyone had a similar issue or have a good idea on what to check to solve this issue..[i am mechanically capable so can do a check myself to confirm...but where to start???]

Any sound advice more than welcomed and much appreciated..Thanks sad.png

As per above... starts..on kick start every time and on electric now and again..intermittant it is...i would have stated in OP if it never ran..it does, just doesn't start every time on electric start

That is a lot more information than you gave before, in any case if you so desperate to fix a problem you should be happy to assist those trying to help you. I have problem with my NV400 and have often repeated myself for those helping me on this forum. I have many odd suggestions too, but that's okay, as I have tried all the obvious to no avail, so far.

If you don't have a DVM or multimeter, get one they are very cheap and very useful. Keep it under the seat and you can bell wires out. Most mechanics don't have them, so they change parts. If you don't know how to use one go to youtube.
and there are many others too.

Start by checking out the stand switch, that is favourite for failure.

The starter will not suddenly fail, so forget that for the moment and neither will the battery, they both usually deteriorate before they die.

I think I am right in saying that the only earth in that circuit is the starter earth, which is substantial and unlikely to be a problem, likewise the starter live. Someone will correct me if there are some electronics involved.

My bet is a broken wire and if the fat guy is doing it, try under the seat.

Good luck.

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As other have said, if no relay clicking, it's likely side switch or brake switch.

Definately not any of the 3 safety switches.

I can't check any thing else, as for the last two days has started and run perfectly[up to 20 starts]...bizarre

Won't start by kick starter if side stand switch is faulty anyway, and have determined it's not either of the brake switches....

I cant test anything for faults whilst all is working,so play the waiting game now...

Posted

Today i went to my dealer and asked why the connectors on the engine are not sleeved, they are open and water can easy come in the connectors. They said Honda made it this way and if there is a problem with the connectors i have 5 years warranty.

I have no idea how long your warranty was/is but that would be the easyiest option.

Does your bike have idling stop? Then you can read this http://rideapart.com/2011/04/how-motorcycle-stopstart-works/

My SH also has idling stop and i never hear the startermotor but now i know how it works.

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