Network of reformists to tell government people to stop telling lies

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Network of reformists to tell government people to stop telling lies



BANGKOK: -- Everyday’s lies by politicians are the main subject of the second open letter to be submitted to caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and presidents of the Supreme Court and the Parliament by network of people working on national reform led by Thirayuth Boonmee.

The open letter, the second by the network, will list a list of lies made by politicians of the government camp and senior bureaucrats starting from the infamous “white” lies by Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Kittirat Na-Ranong.

The lies include: the fabrication of government-to-government rice deals between Thailand and China; the unfounded accusation that the protesting farmers are fake; the lie that the “men in black” seen on the top of the Labour Ministry during clashes between police and protesters in front of Thai-Japan stadium on January 26 are not policemen; the DSI’s lie that the video clip about policemen raiding the house of a protest leader Sonthiyan Chuenruthainaitham was doctored.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/network-reformists-tell-government-people-stop-telling-lies/


-- Thai PBS 2014-02-15

[JRSoul]

Honesty is a foreign concept to a government led by a known perjurer.

[EricBerg]

Please write in short sentences. Else the letter may be difficult to read for lil sis and big Chalerm.

[Robby nz]

The open letter, the second by the network, will list a list of lies made by politicians of the government camp and senior bureaucrats starting from the infamous “white” lies by Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Kittirat Na-Ranong.

That will be one very long letter.

[mightyatom]

He missed hundreds of other lies that spew out of the mouths of the government..... but it's a start.

[icommunity]

He is a liar using 'lies'.

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[JRSoul]

He is a liar using 'lies'.

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To which 'he' do you refer?

[thesetat2013]

He is a liar using 'lies'.

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Yes but because of this it makes it easy for him to see the lies other people make. A lier always can spot good lie.

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[icommunity]

He is a liar using 'lies'.

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Yes but because of this it makes it easy for him to see the lies other people make. A lier always can spot good lie.

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A liar needs more lies to cover his lies. Simply a mirror of himself.

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[chainarong]

I have noticed this, how in the hell you can miss it, I think , if you don't know, feed them bull!!t, the off the cuff comments and talking outside of their portfolios raises concerns with me that they have no experience or a complete disrespect for the people of Thailand, they do not do research on any subject, they are a full bottle on all subjects, they mouth off , in other words without thinking and if they did a bit more thinking and less talking they wouldn't be in the mess they are in now, you can only lie on something you know about , the PTP don't know anything to lie about.

[NongKhaiKid]

The government will of course sit up, pay close attention and completely change their ways. In fact they may even promise to do so.

[iancnx]

My goodness it is very red in here. Seems they have nowhere else to go and heaven forbid they start up a thread of any substance refuting the dozens of accusations against their puppet led party. Come on Reds, let's see some cohesive argument together with facts that defends your position against this open letter. Simply crying 'lies' is real primary school playground kind of stuff don't you think?

[dcutman]

Network of reformists to tell government people to stop telling lies

That would be like asking them to stop stealing money, or to stop breathing, It just never gonna happen. IMO

[Yunla]

Don't forget the stuff about the House-Speaker subverting the honour of that office by taking orders from unelected overseas criminals. In actual terms this is a crime against the state and is treasonous. Taking orders from overseas unelected interests constitutes a direct threat to national security. And yes they lied about that too, even in the face of the tape-recordings.

[Cricketnut]

Open and honest dialect is foreign to most of the Thai population, its not part of the culture. This is not Thai bashing either, just a fact. All one needs to do is ask their partner about this one and they will freely admit this and if they don't they just maybe being possibly dishonest....

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[DirtFarmer]

“She says he says, but she could be lying to me, and he could be lying to her, so I can’t believe her, even if I could believe her.
”
― Jarod Kintz,

[icommunity]

I won't trust this guy. He was a communist, anti-royalist and want a republic.

I mentioned here in ThaiVisa that 'old elite' power and 'emerging power' of the people should come together to talk to bring unity to Thailand. I have also asked 'what and who is this third party we often referred to?'.

I have to be very careful in referring to this 'third party'. If the two powers mentioned above are not careful and continue to be suspicious of each other, we will be building this 'third party' into a power that will eventually take over the present system of government.

They have infiltrated many sectors of the society. They are in the present anti and pro-government movements. They are in so called independence agencies, the Army, the Police, among the academic, learning institutions - virtually everywhere. They create discord at every moment. They 'usually' disgust themselves as royalists, champion of righteousness, democracy.

What is comforting at the moment is that they have not emerged among themselves a clear leader. However, if we are not willing to unite under the present system, we will see them becoming a power. Chaos, disunity will see them surfacing .......

I shall continue to be careful and promoting the coming together of the two powers I mentioned here to forgiveness, reconciliation and unity and learn to live and inclusive of each other.

[Tatsujin]

I won't trust this guy. He was a communist, anti-royalist and want a republic.

I mentioned here in ThaiVisa that 'old elite' power and 'emerging power' of the people should come together to talk to bring unity to Thailand. I have also asked 'what and who is this third party we often referred to?'.

I have to be very careful in referring to this 'third party'. If the two powers mentioned above are not careful and continue to be suspicious of each other, we will be building this 'third party' into a power that will eventually take over the present system of government.

They have infiltrated many sectors of the society. They are in the present anti and pro-government movements. They are in so called independence agencies, the Army, the Police, among the academic, learning institutions - virtually everywhere. They create discord at every moment. They 'usually' disgust themselves as royalists, champion of righteousness, democracy.

What is comforting at the moment is that they have not emerged among themselves a clear leader. However, if we are not willing to unite under the present system, we will see them becoming a power. Chaos, disunity will see them surfacing .......

I shall continue to be careful and promoting the coming together of the two powers I mentioned here to forgiveness, reconciliation and unity and learn to live and inclusive of each other.

Cool, another conspricacy!

So icommunity, who's this "third power" who's going to bring death, destruction and mayhem down on Thailand if the pro- and anti-Govt sides don't kiss and make up?

[seajae]

I won't trust this guy. He was a communist, anti-royalist and want a republic.

I mentioned here in ThaiVisa that 'old elite' power and 'emerging power' of the people should come together to talk to bring unity to Thailand. I have also asked 'what and who is this third party we often referred to?'.

I have to be very careful in referring to this 'third party'. If the two powers mentioned above are not careful and continue to be suspicious of each other, we will be building this 'third party' into a power that will eventually take over the present system of government.

They have infiltrated many sectors of the society. They are in the present anti and pro-government movements. They are in so called independence agencies, the Army, the Police, among the academic, learning institutions - virtually everywhere. They create discord at every moment. They 'usually' disgust themselves as royalists, champion of righteousness, democracy.

What is comforting at the moment is that they have not emerged among themselves a clear leader. However, if we are not willing to unite under the present system, we will see them becoming a power. Chaos, disunity will see them surfacing .......

I shall continue to be careful and promoting the coming together of the two powers I mentioned here to forgiveness, reconciliation and unity and learn to live and inclusive of each other.

in other words, because he is telling the truth about the party you like you have to deny it all otherwise your bias is shown up as total bullsh*t. When people cannot admit they are wrong all the trouble starts, just look at Thailand now after the ptp/reds/thaksins have spread their lies.

[ianf]

Lies are the playground of sociopaths - and sociopaths are very clever at manipulating people, making people believe in them and their lies and ultimately are very destructive people. There are posters on Thai Visa who have been totally taken in by Lord Sociopath of Dubai just as people were taken in by Lance Armstrong (to name just one prominent example of recent times). Everything that their leader has done over the past XX years has pointed to this. He skirts social morality for his own personal benefit, he changes his stories, he denies events that can even be proven (on Youtube for example) and he portrays himself as a victim, blaming others for his predicaments. I have an ex who is a sociopath and can lie with the same impunity and sadly this trait has been passed on to my son so I've seen it at first hand. It is a mental health problem and very difficult to deal with. I suggest that you Google sociopath and you'll see just how dangerous this condition is for the world.

[djjamie]

and now they want us to believe the protestors are drug users that were heavily armed yet never fired a single bullet at the police.

Should we believe it from a man that got his son of a murder wrap and then made him a police chief? That promised to be beheaded and didn't follow through? Said he would wear a mustache and glasses and arrest Suthep and never did?

Edited February 15, 2014 by djjamie

[LevelHead]

Pro-PDRC group who thinks they are better than other Thai's writes letter moaning about liars ?

[Bluespunk]

He is a liar using 'lies'.

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The truth hurts it seems.

[djjamie]

I won't trust this guy. He was a communist, anti-royalist and want a republic.

I mentioned here in ThaiVisa that 'old elite' power and 'emerging power' of the people should come together to talk to bring unity to Thailand. I have also asked 'what and who is this third party we often referred to?'.

I have to be very careful in referring to this 'third party'. If the two powers mentioned above are not careful and continue to be suspicious of each other, we will be building this 'third party' into a power that will eventually take over the present system of government.

They have infiltrated many sectors of the society. They are in the present anti and pro-government movements. They are in so called independence agencies, the Army, the Police, among the academic, learning institutions - virtually everywhere. They create discord at every moment. They 'usually' disgust themselves as royalists, champion of righteousness, democracy.

What is comforting at the moment is that they have not emerged among themselves a clear leader. However, if we are not willing to unite under the present system, we will see them becoming a power. Chaos, disunity will see them surfacing .......

I shall continue to be careful and promoting the coming together of the two powers I mentioned here to forgiveness, reconciliation and unity and learn to live and inclusive of each other.

in other words, because he is telling the truth about the party you like you have to deny it all otherwise your bias is shown up as total bullsh*t. When people cannot admit they are wrong all the trouble starts, just look at Thailand now after the ptp/reds/thaksins have spread their lies.

seajae - UDD supporters thrive on demonizing then changing the subject because they cannot correlate facts to rebut the claims highlighted. Remember facts are the PTP's kryptonite.

I would simply say to him - "What is he lying about and how would you back up that argument without demonizing the opposition?"

They hate that response.

I bet icommunty won't reply me and if he does it will be more demonizing completely overlooking the point I tried to make.

Edited February 15, 2014 by djjamie

[taony]

A list might be better than a letter. Maybe a top 100 list.

-*I typed this myself*-

[djjamie]

Fabrication of government-to-government rice deals between Thailand and China - Currently being investigated by the NACC though facts have already shown the deal was between the government and PTP affiliated companies in China thus this was a lie.

Unfounded accusation that the protesting farmers are fake. Does not dignify an answer out of respect for the 5 farmers that committed suicide.

“men in black” seen on the top of the Labour Ministry during clashes between police and protesters in front of Thai-Japan stadium on January 26 are not policemen. Adul admitted it was a lie.

DSI’s lie that the video clip about policemen raiding the house of a protest leader Sonthiyan Chuenruthainaitham was doctored. They want us to believe the below video was doctored.

​So icummunity a rebuttal would be appreciated. No rebuttal is an acceptance that the PTP lied.

Cheers

Edited February 15, 2014 by djjamie

[icommunity]

I won't trust this guy. He was a communist, anti-royalist and want a republic.

I mentioned here in ThaiVisa that 'old elite' power and 'emerging power' of the people should come together to talk to bring unity to Thailand. I have also asked 'what and who is this third party we often referred to?'.

I have to be very careful in referring to this 'third party'. If the two powers mentioned above are not careful and continue to be suspicious of each other, we will be building this 'third party' into a power that will eventually take over the present system of government.

They have infiltrated many sectors of the society. They are in the present anti and pro-government movements. They are in so called independence agencies, the Army, the Police, among the academic, learning institutions - virtually everywhere. They create discord at every moment. They 'usually' disgust themselves as royalists, champion of righteousness, democracy.

What is comforting at the moment is that they have not emerged among themselves a clear leader. However, if we are not willing to unite under the present system, we will see them becoming a power. Chaos, disunity will see them surfacing .......

I shall continue to be careful and promoting the coming together of the two powers I mentioned here to forgiveness, reconciliation and unity and learn to live and inclusive of each other.

Cool, another conspricacy!

So icommunity, who's this "third power" who's going to bring death, destruction and mayhem down on Thailand if the pro- and anti-Govt sides don't kiss and make up?

I don't think you want to understand what I am trying to alert. If you want to catch a snack, you don't beat the bushes.

[icommunity]

I won't trust this guy. He was a communist, anti-royalist and want a republic.

I mentioned here in ThaiVisa that 'old elite' power and 'emerging power' of the people should come together to talk to bring unity to Thailand. I have also asked 'what and who is this third party we often referred to?'.

I have to be very careful in referring to this 'third party'. If the two powers mentioned above are not careful and continue to be suspicious of each other, we will be building this 'third party' into a power that will eventually take over the present system of government.

They have infiltrated many sectors of the society. They are in the present anti and pro-government movements. They are in so called independence agencies, the Army, the Police, among the academic, learning institutions - virtually everywhere. They create discord at every moment. They 'usually' disgust themselves as royalists, champion of righteousness, democracy.

What is comforting at the moment is that they have not emerged among themselves a clear leader. However, if we are not willing to unite under the present system, we will see them becoming a power. Chaos, disunity will see them surfacing .......

I shall continue to be careful and promoting the coming together of the two powers I mentioned here to forgiveness, reconciliation and unity and learn to live and inclusive of each other.

in other words, because he is telling the truth about the party you like you have to deny it all otherwise your bias is shown up as total bullsh*t. When people cannot admit they are wrong all the trouble starts, just look at Thailand now after the ptp/reds/thaksins have spread their lies.

If you want an argument, I am not interested. Nothing I mentioned is what you want to accuse to be.

[robblok]

Don't forget the stuff about the House-Speaker subverting the honour of that office by taking orders from unelected overseas criminals. In actual terms this is a crime against the state and is treasonous. Taking orders from overseas unelected interests constitutes a direct threat to national security. And yes they lied about that too, even in the face of the tape-recordings.

Dont forget about the lie that MP that said he was not voting with multiple cards.. and that he had Alzheimer.

The system could not do that this was in court and the judge knew he was lying.

Strange thing was nothing happened and then they say the courts are pro democrats. I don't know many other countries where a person who lies in court and is caught can get away with it.

The lies and arrogance of this government are a big part why I am so against it. The lies on the rice scam.. and when someone came out with real news about it they were fired threatened ect. But then a few days later they had to admit that they were wrong. It was like a big slapstick where they were caught lying all the time.

But they are led by Taksin.. the biggest liar of them all. He had exactly the same traits.. saying one thing doing an other. So yes they should go.

[icommunity]

He is a liar using 'lies'.

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The truth hurts it seems.

Of course, truth always hurts and the truth is he is a liar using 'lies'.