Getting out of the bargirl / Isaan dating scene - feels great!

[Scarpolo]

I have never read such dribble and pathetic comments in all my life, you are all talking about WOMEN here not some object that would seem to be disposable to some and to those of put down the bar girls go and have a bloody good look in the mirror you have probably enjoyed a bar girls company before and YOU are probably not the best looking bull in the paddock do you really think they want to spend time with all men who are unshaven smell of stale booze etc etc ...NO they do it because they have too ! ! ! think about.

get off their case and lets try an stimulate some decent thought provoking comments that don't include :

how do I handle my thai GF

how much money should I give her

the price of whiskey is going up

etc etc etc etc

And if you don't things that happen in Thailand go to that place they call an airport and USE IT

Actually claiming they're all in the game because they "have to" is in itself very demeaning, putting them down.

Many many are very much there out of choice, gives them a much higher income, much more power over men, greater freedom to do what they like, in all very empowering from a feminist POV than they would otherwise have had if they'd stayed in the mainstream path.

So YOU get off their case, and also anyone who chooses to live their life the way they like, as long as they're not hurting anyone it's not your business to denigrate.

If you don't like the content of a post or a thread just ignore it until you find something more interesting.

If TV isn't worth your time because you're only interested in certain topics and other others that dominate the place then find another place online to hang out.

Let's discuss ideas, not attack the posters.

You have made a highly valuable point:

Once a girl is making $60,000 to $100,000 Baht a month, for 3 weeks work, it is damned hard to get them to find a regular job that isnt their own business,

And, they are indeed, if they are in the upscale area, very much in control of their lives,

I know mine is,

which is why I like her

That I was able to overlook her choice of career, still puzzles me, but I dont have to worry if she has a past, thats for damned sure,

and, she doesnt lock her ipad and iphone with passcodes like my wife did., and hands me both, for translation uses, with no care in the world about what is on there,

I am not worried about the past,

And, I applaud what she did with her earnings

I see it as no different than a girl getting screwed every nite in a bad marriage by a girl she hates,

at least these girls do choose

[wym]

Yes very few of them actually save anything or build up assets, too often just blown on high-status gadgets, clothes, substances or otherwise just p1ssed away.

That to me is a lot sadder than their choosing to go into the business in the first place.

PS even if they're only making 30K pm they're far ahead of their peers, especially those that have to leave school at 12-13.

[Scarpolo]

Yes very few of them actually save anything or build up assets, too often just blown on high-status gadgets, clothes, substances or otherwise just p1ssed away.

That to me is a lot sadder than their choosing to go into the business in the first place.

PS even if they're only making 30K pm they're far ahead of their peers, especially those that have to leave school at 12-13.

This one was two semesters away from finishing University and owned a business that failed due to brothers wife stealing the profits before she came to BKK to do this,

She now owns 4 homes,

3 up north (one her family lives in, and the other two pay rent to her mother)

and the one we live in is also 2 years old, and her new car is paid off,

the home is spotless and also, a 3 bedroom, new, in a gated community,

she is unusual, very unusual,

but, still, I know what I am dealing with, she is a thai girl from the north, with issues,

but, I like her, and I am happy to help her,

she is the one in love, she doesnt understand what I am doing with her, and asks me why I am not w a hi so girl, which she knows I can afford,

at 33, she knows her days are numbered in that business anyway,

she isnt a bar girl, and this string probably doesnt belong on this thread as it was specific to Isaan and bar girls

Edited February 21, 2014 by Scarpolo

[wym]

She falls within what the euphemism usually encompasses.

Even freelancers, high-end call girls, ones working in coffee shops, hotels, massage, barber shops etc all come under that heading according to most here.

[Scarpolo]

She falls within what the euphemism usually encompasses.

Even freelancers, high-end call girls, ones working in coffee shops, hotels, massage, barber shops etc all come under that heading according to most here.

if I didnt see the assets for myself,

I may thought it was all a bluff,

but I have,

she is open about everything,

a truly good person,

very positive attitude,

except the typical female sulking,

I am getting that now because, she thinks I am leaving,

and I might be

[wym]

If you think you might be leaving to the point she's picking up on that, IMO you're not doing it right.

Either be in it full-tilt do your best to make it work and of course that includes making her feel happy and secure.

Or cut the cord and let her move on with her life, don't forget her clock is ticking, to string it out just because you're getting what you want but plan to move on is IMO very unfair to her.

[Scarpolo]

If you think you might be leaving to the point she's picking up on that, IMO you're not doing it right.

Either be in it full-tilt do your best to make it work and of course that includes making her feel happy and secure.

Or cut the cord and let her move on with her life, don't forget her clock is ticking, to string it out just because you're getting what you want but plan to move on is IMO very unfair to her.

I was in that mode until last night,

she disclosed, while drunk, that she has a lack of trust in me,

and that is the reason I havent met her "real" friends,

remember, she lives a dual life, and has girlfriends from grade school that she hangs with and is in touch with near daily,

who do not know her occupation.

they think she has "investments" from past boyfriends, and income from homes in the north, and is well off,

they know she has a new boyfriend, because after three years, her facebook suddenly went from occasional selfies, to multiple pictures of her in the places I take her, including out of the country, with her smiling, beaming at me, I should say and they are clearly not selfies,

so, I am being hidden, and although I didnt ask to meet them,

which I dont mind actually, it is probably better for me, because of the age difference, but,

it is the lack of trust,

I see red flags everywhere from that after 4 months, that should have eased more,

and it is also her ultra conservativeness, which I dont quite get:

I dont want to feel like I am forcing anyone to do anything, and, I am not Thai.

the culture clash, clashed last night, so, I brought my suitcases in from the garage....

I am not here doing charity work, I have expectations, that she isnt going to meet,

thus, the bags came in,

It's a notice of intent to leave, if adjustments in attitude commensurate with the outlay aren't met,

and they tipped last night, against this working, so, I am being very upfront about what is going on

I was all in, she isn't

this is where guys get in trouble,

and, that is not the way this will end, bitterly for either of us,

this will end nicely if it does,

I just want to know how other girls act,

you can't come from the sex industry and be a prude,

these things do not jibe

Edited February 21, 2014 by Scarpolo

[wym]

If you think you might be leaving to the point she's picking up on that, IMO you're not doing it right.

Either be in it full-tilt do your best to make it work and of course that includes making her feel happy and secure.

Or cut the cord and let her move on with her life, don't forget her clock is ticking, to string it out just because you're getting what you want but plan to move on is IMO very unfair to her.

I was in that mode until last night,

she disclosed, while drunk, that she has a lack of trust in me,

and that is the reason I havent met her "real" friends,

remember, she lives a dual life, and has girlfriends from grade school that she hangs with and is in touch with near daily,

who do not know her occupation.

------

so, I am being hidden, and although I didnt ask to meet them,

which I dont mind actually, it is probably better for me, because of the age difference, but,

it is the lack of trust,

I see red flags everywhere from that after 4 months, that should have eased more,

and it is also her ultra conservativeness, which I dont quite get:

I dont want to feel like I am forcing anyone to do anything, and, I am not Thai.

------

you can't come from the sex industry and be a prude,

these things do not jibe

Of course they do.

She plans on re-entering mainstream Thai society sometime, probably soon by the sound of it.

Disclosing she has a farang boyfriend is a ONE-TIME deal, she can't do it until she's 100% sure you're going to be "the one".

Otherwise she's immediately out of the closet as a sex-worker in the eyes of mainstream society, one farang BF then husband with a good enough cover story will fly, but more than one, when people already probably have their suspicions, won't fly at all.

It isn't her that's being a prude, her culture is stuck in 100-years ago Victoriana, and it's very rare to find a girl willing to try to buck the system unless she's from a wealthy background and can afford to.

[RandomSand]

If you think you might be leaving to the point she's picking up on that, IMO you're not doing it right.

Either be in it full-tilt do your best to make it work and of course that includes making her feel happy and secure.

Or cut the cord and let her move on with her life, don't forget her clock is ticking, to string it out just because you're getting what you want but plan to move on is IMO very unfair to her.

I was in that mode until last night,

she He disclosed, while drunk, that she He has a lack of trust in me,

and that is the reason I havent met her His "real" friends,

remember, she he lives a dual life, and has girlfriends friends from grade school that she He hangs with and is in touch with near daily,

who do not know her his occupation.

they think she He has "investments" from past boyfriends girlfriends, and income from homes in the north, and is well off,

they know she He has a new boyfriend girlfriend, because after three years, her His facebook suddenly went from occasional selfies, to multiple pictures of her Him in the places I take her Him, including out of the country, with her him smiling, beaming at me, I should say and they are clearly not selfies,

so, I am being hidden, and although I didnt ask to meet them,

which I dont mind actually, it is probably better for me, because of the age difference, but,

it is the lack of trust,

I see red flags everywhere from that after 4 months, that should have eased more,

and it is also her His ultra conservativeness, which I dont quite get:

I dont want to feel like I am forcing anyone to do anything, and, I am not Thai.

the culture clash, clashed last night, so, I brought my suitcases in from the garage....

I am not here doing charity work, I have expectations, that her He isnt going to meet,

thus, the bags came in,

It's a notice of intent to leave, if adjustments in attitude commensurate with the outlay aren't met,

and they tipped last night, against this working, so, I am being very upfront about what is going on

I was all in, her He isn't

this is where guys girls get in trouble,

and, that is not the way this will end, bitterly for either of us,

this will end nicely if it does,

I just want to know how other girls guys act,

you can't come from the sex industry and be a prude,

these things do not jibe

Wow! reading that is like reading the feeling of a woman who's on the verge of leaving her boyfriend.

Will you quickly fall into the arms bosom of the next woman who shows you any affection?

Edited February 21, 2014 by RandomSand

[wym]

Wow! reading that is like reading the feeling of a woman who's on the verge of leaving her boyfriend.

What a wonderful compliment, Scarpolo I'm jealous 8-)

[Scarpolo]

If you think you might be leaving to the point she's picking up on that, IMO you're not doing it right.

Either be in it full-tilt do your best to make it work and of course that includes making her feel happy and secure.

Or cut the cord and let her move on with her life, don't forget her clock is ticking, to string it out just because you're getting what you want but plan to move on is IMO very unfair to her.

I was in that mode until last night,

she disclosed, while drunk, that she has a lack of trust in me,

and that is the reason I havent met her "real" friends,

remember, she lives a dual life, and has girlfriends from grade school that she hangs with and is in touch with near daily,

who do not know her occupation.

------

so, I am being hidden, and although I didnt ask to meet them,

which I dont mind actually, it is probably better for me, because of the age difference, but,

it is the lack of trust,

I see red flags everywhere from that after 4 months, that should have eased more,

and it is also her ultra conservativeness, which I dont quite get:

I dont want to feel like I am forcing anyone to do anything, and, I am not Thai.

------

you can't come from the sex industry and be a prude,

these things do not jibe

Of course they do.

She plans on re-entering mainstream Thai society sometime, probably soon by the sound of it.

Disclosing she has a farang boyfriend is a ONE-TIME deal, she can't do it until she's 100% sure you're going to be "the one".

Otherwise she's immediately out of the closet as a sex-worker in the eyes of mainstream society, one farang BF then husband with a good enough cover story will fly, but more than one, when people already probably have their suspicions, won't fly at all.

It isn't her that's being a prude, her culture is stuck in 100-years ago Victoriana, and it's very rare to find a girl willing to try to buck the system unless she's from a wealthy background and can afford to.

I think you nailed it.

She basically has told me that, word for word.

Your confirmation, makes sense of it,

It is a world I am still new too, but, your point is right on

[Scarpolo]

If you think you might be leaving to the point she's picking up on that, IMO you're not doing it right.

Either be in it full-tilt do your best to make it work and of course that includes making her feel happy and secure.

Or cut the cord and let her move on with her life, don't forget her clock is ticking, to string it out just because you're getting what you want but plan to move on is IMO very unfair to her.

I was in that mode until last night,

she He disclosed, while drunk, that she He has a lack of trust in me,

and that is the reason I havent met her His "real" friends,

remember, she he lives a dual life, and has girlfriends friends from grade school that she He hangs with and is in touch with near daily,

who do not know her his occupation.

they think she He has "investments" from past boyfriends girlfriends, and income from homes in the north, and is well off,

they know she He has a new boyfriend girlfriend, because after three years, her His facebook suddenly went from occasional selfies, to multiple pictures of her Him in the places I take her Him, including out of the country, with her him smiling, beaming at me, I should say and they are clearly not selfies,

so, I am being hidden, and although I didnt ask to meet them,

which I dont mind actually, it is probably better for me, because of the age difference, but,

it is the lack of trust,

I see red flags everywhere from that after 4 months, that should have eased more,

and it is also her His ultra conservativeness, which I dont quite get:

I dont want to feel like I am forcing anyone to do anything, and, I am not Thai.

the culture clash, clashed last night, so, I brought my suitcases in from the garage....

I am not here doing charity work, I have expectations, that her He isnt going to meet,

thus, the bags came in,

It's a notice of intent to leave, if adjustments in attitude commensurate with the outlay aren't met,

and they tipped last night, against this working, so, I am being very upfront about what is going on

I was all in, her He isn't

this is where guys girls get in trouble,

and, that is not the way this will end, bitterly for either of us,

this will end nicely if it does,

I just want to know how other girls guys act,

you can't come from the sex industry and be a prude,

these things do not jibe

Wow! reading that is like reading the feeling of a woman who's on the verge of leaving her boyfriend.

Will you quickly fall into the arms bosom of the next woman who shows you any affection?

Again, well done, and, according to the bossoms and the affection, very possibly:

But, she is a Leo, in Thailand. Affection is not their game, and bossoms?

you wont find many at 5'7 98 pounds with anything resembling a bossom

This one isn't over....I have not adjusted to their "way"

A week ago she was considering a trip to the states with me,

she told her best friend, next thing I knew, they were both convinced] I might "sell her" there and she changed her mind and said, after one year!

That is what I am talking about!

They actually conjured that up on their own, and now, it has become real to them!

[wym]

This isn't an unfounded fear; many thousands of young Thai women are deceived into going overseas and end up imprisoned in brothels working off their "debt" to the mafia.

And not just Japan and Arab countries, the west as well.

[Thongkorn]

This isn't an unfounded fear; many thousands of young Thai women are deceived into going overseas and end up imprisoned in brothels working off their "debt" to the mafia.

And not just Japan and Arab countries, the west as well.

You forgot the lieing barstuards who tell the girls a pack of lies just to get them back to there own Country. Then tell them they are number 3 wife, And thatthey have five children which they are paying for through the child maintenance agency. So the Girl then has to go our to work to pay the Mortgage for the dip sh1t she married.

Edited February 21, 2014 by Thongkorn

[wym]

Why "have to"?

Thai embassies will help repatriate girls when they've actually been trafficked like this.

[Daniel Boon]

Scarpolo ... you have a bit of self-sabotage happening there Brother?...

a sort of 'if she thinks I am worth having, she isn't'?

contemplated the 'fate / destiny' aspect; where we - in this case you - go through various life experiences to attain the knowledge to assess and be ready for the one?

thought about how you may be enacting on her where you are at where women have walked out on you; making her pay?

if - as you say - she has Facebooked her status with you, your pulling the pin maximizes the hurt to her ... is that what you really want?

you have written much, exposed yourself, which - to me - bespeaks a Man. So f'kin man up. Give her some latitude (that you expect to be given to you, given your experiences)

This is a heady - psychological - game ... there are no 'winner's' .., there just players (not the negative one) who are evaluated (eventually) by the harshest judge .. Self.

You have learned to read people ... so has she. She recognizes quality in you. Don't f'kin blow it ...

As to the mind-set of a woman ... who knows? But the same can be said about us men.

I was reading this article about a bloke in the back streets of Vietnam; he was approached by a young girl who, in very basic language, said he could have her for a price. He looked at her, saw her predicament ... instead he bought them a meal and they sat on the dock eating together ... her demeanor changed from prostitute to a young girl rocking her legs over the side of the peer ...

They, like us, have the young trusting person who has been suppressed ... everything has a memory ... please consider rubbing out the line in the sand, as it's intent is to keep others out, when in reality, you want to let someone in ...

just my opinion (and its working for me)

[jackspade]

No woman is worth dating. Women are for sex period and as soon as men figure this out the world will be a much better place. Dating = sex. You want to sit and chat, go out with your buddies. The best date is one where there are no plates or cups in front of her. Give the money directly to her, knock one out in 30 minutes or less and move on. Too many guys in today's world want to be the WKOP. (White Knight of Poon) expensive dinners, flowers, sweet poems. etc..... Pathetic. Those days are over. Women are scandalous skanks and as soon as men rise up and change their attitudes about women this world will become a masculine world again. Men have become vaginized and too kind towards women. The world has become pussified.

It always comes down to money. ALWAYS!!!! Guys who marry think its free!!! Ha Ha Guys who say they date normal girls and that they are different than bar girls.... Come on. Seriously? You move a chic in with you or marry her you end up paying her rent, food, phone car, etc.... And if you divorce, Vaginamony. All girls are the same. Worldwide. This is just not Thai girls.

Financial planners should start telling their single male clients not to marry but use a service provider for sex. Getting married is not good for saving money for your future.

I disagree with the OP that finding a so called more normal Thai girl is better. Ill take the hot babes and not so hot babes who want some cash and fake that they enjoy being with me over a date with a school teacher who has another hidden agenda. Hit it, quit it and pay is the way to go. No dinners, no flowers, no movies, no trips. It isn't necessary.

I have never married and have no intention to. Many guys I know have done it and regret it. Stay single. Learn the rules of the game. For those of you who need an education, check out Tom Leykis or www.maskedwriter.com and see what is happening. Educate yourself against the enemy.

Turok, the Dinosaur Hunter

More bitter, inane and misinformed filth drudged up again and again...

WOMEN are not EVIL. MEN are not GOOD. There is good and evil within EVERYONE. There is feminine energy, and there is masculine energy. These two energies will always be at odds with each other, because they are polar opposites. Our duty as human beings, whatever our sex, is to learn to recognize this and learn how to deal with it. Open your eyes.

Edited February 22, 2014 by jackspade

[Scarpolo]

Scarpolo ... you have a bit of self-sabotage happening there Brother?...

a sort of 'if she thinks I am worth having, she isn't'?

contemplated the 'fate / destiny' aspect; where we - in this case you - go through various life experiences to attain the knowledge to assess and be ready for the one?

thought about how you may be enacting on her where you are at where women have walked out on you; making her pay?

if - as you say - she has Facebooked her status with you, your pulling the pin maximizes the hurt to her ... is that what you really want?

you have written much, exposed yourself, which - to me - bespeaks a Man. So f'kin man up. Give her some latitude (that you expect to be given to you, given your experiences)

This is a heady - psychological - game ... there are no 'winner's' .., there just players (not the negative one) who are evaluated (eventually) by the harshest judge .. Self.

You have learned to read people ... so has she. She recognizes quality in you. Don't f'kin blow it ...

As to the mind-set of a woman ... who knows? But the same can be said about us men.

I was reading this article about a bloke in the back streets of Vietnam; he was approached by a young girl who, in very basic language, said he could have her for a price. He looked at her, saw her predicament ... instead he bought them a meal and they sat on the dock eating together ... her demeanor changed from prostitute to a young girl rocking her legs over the side of the peer ...

They, like us, have the young trusting person who has been suppressed ... everything has a memory ... please consider rubbing out the line in the sand, as it's intent is to keep others out, when in reality, you want to let someone in ...

just my opinion (and its working for me)

Agreed,

most of this is cultural misunderstandings, language barriers, and expectations, which become adjustable

good thoughts from all.

this forum provides, insight into the mindset of a culture I know, almost nothing about.

I am learning,

all is well in the world

thanks to all

Steve

[Scarpolo]

This isn't an unfounded fear; many thousands of young Thai women are deceived into going overseas and end up imprisoned in brothels working off their "debt" to the mafia.

And not just Japan and Arab countries, the west as well.

Wym,

hands down, you provide the clearest insight combined with objectivity, without bias

and obviously a great deal of experience.

thank you

Steve

[Daniel Boon]

Scarpolo ...

as long as you understand the language barrier exists ... even when you speak the same language ...

[MobileContent]

I read your comments,i am not impressed !

These girls who work the bars , streets ect are mostly in survival mode so I would strongly advise you not to look down your nose at at them...

There is probably a minority that are in it for the money alone but most will be supporting elderly parents,children or other family members...

What did your school teacher friend do to support herself whilst going through university ???

Survival mode? Are you shitting me? My ex was making 5000 baht a night, did nothing to support her family and many of her friends are the same. So if a girl is making 100,000 baht a month, what kind of mode is an average Thai in? From what I've seen, you can describe almost the whole country in "survival" mode. Limited savings, zero investments, maxed out credit. Nothing to do with bargirls.

I never looked down my nose at them. I just said that the mentality they have is one of extraction, regardless of whether they have a great personality, are caring or anything else. I've met bargirls that would do anything possible to help another person, but at the end of the day its about the money every time. Why so many houses in Issan built by sponsors? I don't see the same in other areas of Thailand. The deal was she would marry him, sleep with him and he would take care of her family and build a local house. That is called extraction.

Will I screw it up? Only if I don't value my future as I find it very hard to meet a beautiful, educated, independent Thai girl. For some guys, they can't push them away fast enough. For me, its hard because of my size, baldness, age and I'm looking for the same type of girls that Thai men are looking for (light skin, educated, employed, and beautiful).

During school, her parents supported her. They work at regular jobs.

My point is that some people (myself included) get so buried in the bar life that we don't know how much we're missing out on until we get a chance out.

If some of you dislike my posts so much, do you not understand how the ignore feature works?

And why in the hell do some of you have absolutely nothing better to do in your life than read past posts and research another person? Do you live on here with your 10,000+ posts and not have an outside life? Sad, pathetic life in your village I guess.

It really sounds to me you are one of the hundreds of bald, small or fat guys that have been really hurt and scammed by those Isaan girls as you seem to think that every bar girl brings 100,000 Baht.

Wait another one year and you might change your mind once again and then banging up on those educated Bangkok gals.

[Tmymaimee]

Never dated an Isaan girl, so can't really agree with you. Don't see the attraction to support a Thai man's spawn and her destitute family (many obviously disagree through their actions).

Some girls make 200,000 a month, some make 2,000. What's your point? Yes, I'm bald and short. How would you fuc_ki*ng suggest I fix those 2 problems. You some kind of magician?

Its so easy to crticize someone else when they have no control over baldness and height. I take great care of my body so I'm certainly not fat. Its called a gym everyday.

Now dating a gorgeous 32 year old Thai girl, no kids (requirement for me) who grew up in the States. Sooooo much easier in every way. She has a new CRV, condo downtown, family owns 6 Family Marts in Bangkok. Completely obsessed with sex everyday….I couldn't be happier. It was just a matter of continuing to look and getting a lucky break.

Edited February 22, 2014 by Whereustay

[pauly1964]

No woman is worth dating. Women are for sex period and as soon as men figure this out the world will be a much better place. Dating = sex. You want to sit and chat, go out with your buddies. The best date is one where there are no plates or cups in front of her. Give the money directly to her, knock one out in 30 minutes or less and move on. Too many guys in today's world want to be the WKOP. (White Knight of Poon) expensive dinners, flowers, sweet poems. etc..... Pathetic. Those days are over. Women are scandalous skanks and as soon as men rise up and change their attitudes about women this world will become a masculine world again. Men have become vaginized and too kind towards women. The world has become pussified.

It always comes down to money. ALWAYS!!!! Guys who marry think its free!!! Ha Ha Guys who say they date normal girls and that they are different than bar girls.... Come on. Seriously? You move a chic in with you or marry her you end up paying her rent, food, phone car, etc.... And if you divorce, Vaginamony. All girls are the same. Worldwide. This is just not Thai girls.

Financial planners should start telling their single male clients not to marry but use a service provider for sex. Getting married is not good for saving money for your future.

I disagree with the OP that finding a so called more normal Thai girl is better. Ill take the hot babes and not so hot babes who want some cash and fake that they enjoy being with me over a date with a school teacher who has another hidden agenda. Hit it, quit it and pay is the way to go. No dinners, no flowers, no movies, no trips. It isn't necessary.

I have never married and have no intention to. Many guys I know have done it and regret it. Stay single. Learn the rules of the game. For those of you who need an education, check out Tom Leykis or www.maskedwriter.com and see what is happening. Educate yourself against the enemy.

Turok, the Dinosaur Hunter

More bitter, inane and misinformed filth drudged up again and again...

WOMEN are not EVIL. MEN are not GOOD. There is good and evil within EVERYONE. There is feminine energy, and there is masculine energy. These two energies will always be at odds with each other, because they are polar opposites. Our duty as human beings, whatever our sex, is to learn to recognize this and learn how to deal with it. Open your eyes.

JACKSPADE

Just read your comments WOMEN are for sex only...you really are the lowest scum possible it's narrow minded idiots like you that give westerners a bad name don't you have a brain AH probably not just a fat guts dirty unclean and on the booze by mid morning everyday........if like you say women are only for sex I hope YOU don't have a daughter ! ! ! ! think about about you wanke_r

Edited February 22, 2014 by pauly1964

[pauly1964]

No woman is worth dating. Women are for sex period and as soon as men figure this out the world will be a much better place. Dating = sex. You want to sit and chat, go out with your buddies. The best date is one where there are no plates or cups in front of her. Give the money directly to her, knock one out in 30 minutes or less and move on. Too many guys in today's world want to be the WKOP. (White Knight of Poon) expensive dinners, flowers, sweet poems. etc..... Pathetic. Those days are over. Women are scandalous skanks and as soon as men rise up and change their attitudes about women this world will become a masculine world again. Men have become vaginized and too kind towards women. The world has become pussified.

It always comes down to money. ALWAYS!!!! Guys who marry think its free!!! Ha Ha Guys who say they date normal girls and that they are different than bar girls.... Come on. Seriously? You move a chic in with you or marry her you end up paying her rent, food, phone car, etc.... And if you divorce, Vaginamony. All girls are the same. Worldwide. This is just not Thai girls.

Financial planners should start telling their single male clients not to marry but use a service provider for sex. Getting married is not good for saving money for your future.

I disagree with the OP that finding a so called more normal Thai girl is better. Ill take the hot babes and not so hot babes who want some cash and fake that they enjoy being with me over a date with a school teacher who has another hidden agenda. Hit it, quit it and pay is the way to go. No dinners, no flowers, no movies, no trips. It isn't necessary.

I have never married and have no intention to. Many guys I know have done it and regret it. Stay single. Learn the rules of the game. For those of you who need an education, check out Tom Leykis or www.maskedwriter.com and see what is happening. Educate yourself against the enemy.

Turok, the Dinosaur Hunter

More bitter, inane and misinformed filth drudged up again and again...

WOMEN are not EVIL. MEN are not GOOD. There is good and evil within EVERYONE. There is feminine energy, and there is masculine energy. These two energies will always be at odds with each other, because they are polar opposites. Our duty as human beings, whatever our sex, is to learn to recognize this and learn how to deal with it. Open your eyes.

JACKSPADE

Just read your comments WOMEN are for sex only...you really are the lowest scum possible it's narrow minded idiots like you that give westerners a bad name don't you have a brain AH probably not just a fat guts dirty unclean and on the booze by mid morning everyday........if like you say women are only for sex I hope YOU don't have a daughter ! ! ! ! think about about you wanke_r

SORRY my last post should have been to TUROK not Jackspade Mr Jackspade please accept my sincere appology I look at the wrong name,,SORRY

[Scarpolo]

If you think you might be leaving to the point she's picking up on that, IMO you're not doing it right.

Either be in it full-tilt do your best to make it work and of course that includes making her feel happy and secure.

Or cut the cord and let her move on with her life, don't forget her clock is ticking, to string it out just because you're getting what you want but plan to move on is IMO very unfair to her.

I was in that mode until last night,

she disclosed, while drunk, that she has a lack of trust in me,

and that is the reason I havent met her "real" friends,

remember, she lives a dual life, and has girlfriends from grade school that she hangs with and is in touch with near daily,

who do not know her occupation.

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so, I am being hidden, and although I didnt ask to meet them,

which I dont mind actually, it is probably better for me, because of the age difference, but,

it is the lack of trust,

I see red flags everywhere from that after 4 months, that should have eased more,

and it is also her ultra conservativeness, which I dont quite get:

I dont want to feel like I am forcing anyone to do anything, and, I am not Thai.

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you can't come from the sex industry and be a prude,

these things do not jibe

Of course they do.

She plans on re-entering mainstream Thai society sometime, probably soon by the sound of it.

Disclosing she has a farang boyfriend is a ONE-TIME deal, she can't do it until she's 100% sure you're going to be "the one".

Otherwise she's immediately out of the closet as a sex-worker in the eyes of mainstream society, one farang BF then husband with a good enough cover story will fly, but more than one, when people already probably have their suspicions, won't fly at all.

It isn't her that's being a prude, her culture is stuck in 100-years ago Victoriana, and it's very rare to find a girl willing to try to buck the system unless she's from a wealthy background and can afford to.

Spot on again.

She is making sure it is the ONE TIME PASS,

even said so, in the very same language, that she "wants to be sure"

One of her best friends is beginning to insist on a double date....

Apparently that pressure has been ongoing since before I moved in with her,

She hasn't told anyone that yet and its nearly 3 months, although, it is possible, her mother "knows"

[sms747]

Now dating a gorgeous 32 year old Thai girl, no kids (requirement for me) who grew up in the States. Sooooo much easier in every way. She has a new CRV, condo downtown, family owns 6 Family Marts in Bangkok. Completely obsessed with sex everyday….I couldn't be happier. It was just a matter of continuing to look and getting a lucky break.

liar

[Tmymaimee]

Now dating a gorgeous 32 year old Thai girl, no kids (requirement for me) who grew up in the States. Sooooo much easier in every way. She has a new CRV, condo downtown, family owns 6 Family Marts in Bangkok. Completely obsessed with sex everyday….I couldn't be happier. It was just a matter of continuing to look and getting a lucky break.

liar

Actually, no, I'm not lying. Feel free to PM me and I would be happy to introduce you, provided you buy the beers. (Of course, should he then realize I'm not lying, he will not retract his comment, but whatever…)

And why would I lie? I have no reason for doing so...

[wym]

This isn't an unfounded fear; many thousands of young Thai women are deceived into going overseas and end up imprisoned in brothels working off their "debt" to the mafia.

And not just Japan and Arab countries, the west as well.

Wym,

hands down, you provide the clearest insight combined with objectivity, without bias

and obviously a great deal of experience.

thank you

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Well thanks Steve, I usually only get such compliments via PM.

[pauly1964]

"Dating" hookers? Isn't that an oxymoron?

Not at all. Many prostitutes have boyfriends or are trying to find boyfriends. They can keep their work separate.

Could you allow your Thai bar girlfriend to continue being a bar girl?

You can take a girl out of the bar, but never the bar out of the girl.

High end prostitutes, are not the same as bar girls,

there is a difference in education and aspiration

SCARPOLO

You and nor=ted as being a senior member of this forum may I suggest that if the comments you are making are the best you can offer then I respectfully suggest

you leave this site your comments a tribble at the lowest order the press would call it trailor park trash comments......

Go away you silly man,,,,,,

[Scarpolo]

Scarpolo ...

as long as you understand the language barrier exists ... even when you speak the same language ...

Yes, I am fully aware of the Men are from Mars women are from outer space reality

Right now,

She and her friend are trying to understand why I walk barefoot in the grass, but wear shoes inside.

(they are house shoes only, to protect from the marble floors)

They just aren;t understanding the value of standing, or lying, in the grass