maswov Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 They probably saw the keys to his mini van and noticed he was not wearing a wedding band. That wouldn't be profiling, that is just plain old suspicious behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Such earches are cmmon practise in Europe also. Profilling does play a rle and they are particulaire interested in males traveling alone to certain countries and 40+ years old. It is not against the constition or human right treaties in those countries and it is a practise that has been going on for hundreds of years at all borders around the world. Simply because it otherwise would be difficult to catch a smugler. At a border you are in side the coutnry, otherwise they would have no powers to search you and even arrest you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saroq Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Easy. If you do not want some federal employee rummaging through every photo your took on your Asian trip, just use the program TrueCrypt....It has two password levels, and is in essence uncrackable.... http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads Ans once they discover that, your camera/computer will confiscated and you will be detained even longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saroq Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Yes it's annoying OP but we all profile. When that young guy turns up to take out your sweet daughter do you profile or not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillymonkey Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Such earches are cmmon practise in Europe also. Profilling does play a rle and they are particulaire interested in males traveling alone to certain countries and 40+ years old. It is not against the constition or human right treaties in those countries and it is a practise that has been going on for hundreds of years at all borders around the world. Simply because it otherwise would be difficult to catch a smugler. At a border you are in side the coutnry, otherwise they would have no powers to search you and even arrest you. Mario2008 - The US is not Europe. The US Constitution was written in response to the laws of England. What is also interesting about the Constitution is that the oiginal Constitution was written to limit the rights of the government. The first 10 amendments almost seem like an afterthought. Like oops we forgot to give rights to the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Such earches are cmmon practise in Europe also. Profilling does play a rle and they are particulaire interested in males traveling alone to certain countries and 40+ years old. It is not against the constition or human right treaties in those countries and it is a practise that has been going on for hundreds of years at all borders around the world. Simply because it otherwise would be difficult to catch a smugler. At a border you are in side the coutnry, otherwise they would have no powers to search you and even arrest you. Mario2008 - The US is not Europe. The US Constitution was written in response to the laws of England. What is also interesting about the Constitution is that the oiginal Constitution was written to limit the rights of the government. The first 10 amendments almost seem like an afterthought. Like oops we forgot to give rights to the people. I made the point that many (if not all) countries have similair rules as the US regarding these searches, not that the US is Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSnapper Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Yes, Its good to screen forcriminals (Every white man in Asia must be a pedo). However, if you happen to have racey pics of your 22 year old Thai gf and some affirmative action DHS employee decides she looks 15, your life is basically over, even if your cleared. Most thai girls of 22 years look like 15 in the eyes of feminist haters. Be prepared of a growing persecution of white heterosexual males. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seastallion Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 "printed handout which stated that US Customs has the right to not only examine electronic devices buy to confiscate them" + "random' or if a person is a watch list" buy to confiscate them ? person is a watch list ? are you sure you are an american ? i smell a bad ghost writer story Something wrong with your olfactory sense. I think most people saw through the typo ("t" is right next to "y") and the missing "on". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayceenik Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Two years back I crossed from Canada to USA by car somewhere around Cornwall for a short ride into the USA. When I handed over my European passport to the guy at the booth (whatever his function/title might be) my passport got confiscated and I was ordered to enter their building. There I was treated as a terrorist, a police officer took office against a wall not taking his eyes off me for a split second whilst I had to deal with a lady immigration officer at her desk, the police officer was ready to shoot his gun on any false move I would make. After 15 minutes he was relieved and replaced by a similar looking female agent. The whole process took 30 minutes. Freindlyness was not part of the game. Needless to say I have no plans on returning visiting the USA. Same thing happened to me once. I rented a car at Seattle for a brief vacation in Oregon and one day took a short foray in Canada. On the way back to the US the border officer at the booth got extremely irritated to see that I had a Belgian passport (I had a proper US visa, though) and asked question after question in the most rudest way. Obviously didn't approve of a Belgian to come and sully his beautiful country... Ordered me to park. Told me they were going to inspect my car but without me around. OK but I must have angered them by saying that if not present I'd take my money pouch out first. They agreed but the "inspection" lasted a verrry long time - and I had only a small airline cabin bag in the car !! Punishment for my nationality and the fact that I didn't trust them with my $$$ - LOL Inspected by a young lady Customs who smiled in a friendly way at me when they finally let me go. The other was a shabbily dressed totally hostile guy I took to be a DEA who got very upset at me because, bored at this time consuming "inspection", I went up once to see <deleted> they were doing over at my car. In a way it was funny to have seen the American border guard near to temper tantrum at my EU nationality Edited February 17, 2014 by jayceenik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillymonkey Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Politics and religion...still things difficult to discuss. Sorry about the rude comments mario2008, sometimes my fingers move faster than my brain. Peace to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Nothing at all wrong. If their actions catch at least one pedophile, all the privacy violations will be worth it. Imagine if it was your daughter being fiddled by some of the trash you see here in Thailand. Sounds great to you, until it happens to you. Forget the notion that if you trample the rights of all to catch one pedophile it is all worth it. Why not go back to the days of the Soviet Union where you could search anyone's home on just a whim, no search warrant needed. How would you like someone coming into your home at will and doing a search. Sorry, but if you say "no problem", you are either a fool or a liar. (My apologies to anyone from the former Soviet Union if this was not done. We were taught this in the states during the 50's & 60's.) Everyone has things at their home, or in their computer that is not illegal, but could be embarrassing, or you just did not want anyone else to know about. We do have a right to privacy and you should not throw this right away. Not ever. Get rid of this notion that your government can step all over your rights just because they want to. For a start try saying the highlighted words to a victim of a child pornography producer. Not so long ago USA was the worlds’ largest distributor and producer of child pornography. I believe that distinction now belongs to Mexico and Russia respectively. From a reported interview with a Thai Police Colonel in 2010 (unless legislation has since been updated) I understand that at this stage there is not specific legislation in Thailand that consuming child pornography is illegal, so no wonder people travelling from Thailand to the USA are 'profiled', amongst other reasons. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/07/05/thailand.pedophiles/ Many consumers and members of child pornography networks are white collar workers in professions such as law enforcement and teaching; they are regularly identified and busted by specialist police units monitoring this activity. So congrats to border control staff of any country who are endeavouring to enforce the law and contribute to prosecution of consumers of child pornography by random searches or otherwise, no matter the inconvenience to members on TV who protest Edited February 17, 2014 by simple1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis7 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Take it easy those guys were just jealous,after all you were in land of smile and thigh land ...oops Thailand. They always wondered what it is like to be there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHT Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) As much of a pain in the neck as they might be to you personally and as meaningless as they might seem to you (not to mention the waste of time and effort that they might appear to be causing you) they are necessary nowadays. Funny. If something happens, especially to someone "personally", they all run and blame ... government, police ... whoever, for not making sure, bla bla, bla. Then, if checks are actually "implemented", they complaint again. This time about the "pain" of wasting their time, feeling discriminated (why check me, not them?). Boy, what does this whinging society really want, apart from just whine? Edited February 17, 2014 by NHT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyFriend You Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 It's completely legal and pre-dates Obama. US Dept of Justice personnel assigned in an overseas Embassy (Bangkok for instance) also have the power of arrest when it comes to US Citizens - they can detain you at the airport when you are departing country to America - always in presence of Thai Police. Mind you, they wouldn't just single out just anybody - normally they will have recv'd an "annonymous" tip before hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffreyWitty Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 OP, Welcome to the "land of the free" ! This is one of the many many reasons I would rather never live in the USA again if I had too. At least in Thailand, I expect my freedoms to be restricted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGImInPattaya Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Easy. If you do not want some federal employee rummaging through every photo your took on your Asian trip, just use the program TrueCrypt....It has two password levels, and is in essence uncrackable.... http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads If you are selected for enhanced screening and if it's a full electronics review as well, if such a encrypted file, folder, or container is found on any of your electronic devices and you refuse to decrypt it yourself or provide the password, you can be sure the device will be confiscated for further detailed forensic analysis. It may be months or never before you are allowed to retrieve the device. You can also be assured that your name will be entered into the CBP system and you will be chosen for enhances screening on any subsequent entries into the United States. However, the CBP cannot force you to reveal your password and there is no fine/penalty for failing to do so (other than getting on the list).This can be a real problem for business people who need to protect propriety business data when they travel or for ordinary travelers financial, banking, and tax date they may wish to protect. The best solution is to have a "clean" traveling with minimal or no protected data on it and so that if they demand to see the encrypted data, one can decide to reveal it or refuse and the data/device loss is minimal. Not a problem. True crypt first encrypts the entire drive. Then you load your data into it. There are two password levels. So when asked you simply provide the first sort of throw away password, so that will have a folder with few racy photos you say you wanted to protect. Your real data is behind another password. Also the way the drive is encrypted, when doing a folder search by a utility program, no data is seen. The drive will appear to be empty. I agree with another poster, am sure the kiddie fiddlers are using the cloud. I would not want federal agents looking through my house for illegal stuff, and I certainly do not want them poking through all my data. I have not used TC in a while because like I said, it's a bit geeky and Am now using a commercial product to encrypt my sensitive date. As I said, I don't use any encryption on my travel computer. So please excuse my rather basic question: So are you saying let's say that one has a 100 GB HD on their notebook. They have configured TC for full-drive encryption with the two password setting. They load 20 GB of sensitive data and 5 GB of non-sensitive date. So you give the friendly TSA guy the password and he decrypts and opens the drive...what does the computer show (in My Computer)...a 100 GB drive with 95 GB of free space or one with 75? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshall stanley Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I have lived in TH for a long time now and get to the US about once every two years and I always dread the entry proceedures. The word "Thailand" seems to be a trigger for a thourough search which seems to disappoint or befuddle the inspector when finding nothing but unlaundred underwear and I do make sure to tell that in advance just to get some fun out of this intrusive proceedure. I intentionally do not wash my garments before entering the US just to counter-annoy them even though they wear latex gloves now. Also I tell them while waiting that I have a bad case of diarrhea, they seem to hurry a bit then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex8912 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I would try the Global Entry program. It's good for 5 years and costs $100USD and some credit cards like Amex Platinum pays the fee after you are approved. A few pages of questions have to be answered and then an interview with some pics taken and a finger printing are done. You scan your passport and fingerprint on the machine just before customs and get a slip to provide officials if asked. They can still go through your bags if they want but I hear it never happens. You also get a card for entries through Canada and Mexico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGImInPattaya Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I note the prevalence of faith-based information security here, for example, using TrueCrypt (whose developer has always refused to identify himself publicly), cloud storage (where you will never know who has had access to your files), and, best of all, encryption for which users have a touching confidence despite what we now know that the NSA and, probably, other agencies have hooks into such software. My point is that you cannot know if any of this is secure. Nor can you assume that because you have been using such resources for x number of years without having personally been hacked or had the govt seize your computer, that the methods themselves are effective since even without any attempt to protect your data at all the chance of being hacked or being seized are very low. Only the most naive and computer unsavy individual would make these assumptions, even before he Snowden/NSA embrolio. The possibility of NSA/government back holes into encryption algorithms and computer operating systems has been speculated about for years. Also, as you state, all commercial cloud storage systems, Google Drive, iCloud, etc., in their TOS explicitly forbid the storage of illegal content on their systems. In reference to possible child pornography on their systems, they have technical means and algorithms that monitor the data stored on their systems and through analysis of the data can make educated guesses if the data is in fact pictures of unclothed individuals/children. I don't know if they turn over this suspicion to the authorities or just use it internally and would contact the account holder on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam3384 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) 4th Amendment-Provides in relevant part that one is not subject to unreasonable searches and seizures. 4th Amendment is made applicable to the states via the 14th Amendment. Exceptions to the 4th Amendment- Border Searches (Neither probable cause nor reasonable suspicion is required to satisfy a warrant less search and seizure) Edited February 17, 2014 by sam3384 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerryd Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 So much lol, and fail. This doesn't just happen to Americans. This doesn't just happen to "single males travelling from a certain place". It doesn't just happen to certain people because of their hairstyle. At the end of a 4 year posting to Germany, Canada Customs sent agents to our base to inspect everything everyone was shipping "home". Married, single, male, female, didn't matter. They literally sat there and went through every magazine page by page, and every movie (on F/F - back in the days of VHS tapes). They brought in the dogs. They took stuff apart. They were looking for any and everything that was illegal to bring into Canada. I wasn't even allowed to bring back a special (Canadian) edition of Playboy, that had been bought in Canada, even after I showed the customs agent the info proving it had come from Canada. That was back in the mid-80's. I've been travelling internationally (personally and professionally) since the early 90s. Many trips to/from Thailand (as a single male). For the last 10(+) years I've been working in an ME country and living in Thailand. Once every couple of years I have to return to Canada for one reason or another. With passports full of stamps/visas from Thailand, Cambodia, UAE, Philippines, Egypt, Afghanistan, Turkey and India, how many times have I been stopped/questioned/searched when arriving ? Zero. I've actually been searched more often when leaving Canada, including having my phone/laptop swabbed and tested for traces of explosives. Then again. I try to look presentable whenever I travel and rarely have more than a couple of drinks (if any - tend to dehydrate too much when flying). I have nothing to hide and maybe my mannerisms show that. I'm that guy you see ahead of you in the line that breezes through the metal detector/scanner because he has already removed ALL metallic objects and put them in his carry-on or screening tray beforehand. I'm the guy that whizzes through Immigration because my passport/paperwork is in order and ready to go when I get to the counter, I am polite and don't reek of booze/puke/body odour or act suspicious (or belligerent) towards the Immigration officer. Actually, you won't see me ahead of you, because I'm usually through and gone so smoothly, hardly anyone ever notices. You usually only notice the people that are inconveniencing you. Whether it's people ahead of you causing delays, or people "singling" you out for some reason for additional "screening". Funny how it's usually "someone else" that is the main cause of most people's problems........... (note: It seems that in the last 10 years, I've only done 38 round trips and gone through 80 sets of Customs/Immigration in 8 different countries, so I may not have the experience that some other members here have with these matters.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TPI Posted February 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2014 Nothing at all wrong. If their actions catch at least one pedophile, all the privacy violations will be worth it. Imagine if it was your daughter being fiddled by some of the trash you see here in Thailand. I think you're drawing a long bow about the "one pedaphile". That's like the law in Australia that every pool must have a child proof fence! I can show you hundreds of places where there is not a child for 1000 miles that are still required by law, to have a fence! It's a handy myth to parrot "if it only saves one life" when the truly dangerous things like drunken driving or idiotic politicians sending young men and women off to nonsense wars are not restrained by legislation!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 QuoteYes, Its good to screen forcriminals (Every white man in Asia must be a pedo). However, if you happen to have racey pics of your 22 year old Thai gf and some affirmative action DHS employee decides she looks 15, your life is basically over, even if your cleared. Best to put a copy of her ID card in the folder................... House papers, driving licence optional............... Its got to be a crazy world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightlineman Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Had my camera searched at the San Francisco airport, told the TA I had nothing lude on the camera, just a titty and ass shot of my girlfriend. I also had oxycontin, muscle relaxer's, from a doctor in BKK for a back problem they fixed for me. I also had 2 diet pills I took away from my GF and forgot I threw them in my map and card box, on me. If those pills were an explosive device, when I tuned on the camera, could of taken out a good part of SF airport, he never checked my shave bag, which had the pills in or the map case. Thats the TA and Tax payers money at work!! Thank you Jesus!! I'm going back this year and will have an Indian Clothier, make me up a CATHOLIC CARDINAL SUITE........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucegoniners Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 This has been going on a long time. It finally stopped when I was verbally abused by a dyke officer and sent them a scathing letter, telling them they've checked me many times and have found nothing and I was tired of it. Then I started traveling with my gf and now wife, so no more searches. But they are arrogant as&$oles. Power drunk jerks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I would have preferred that the OP had not warned the kiddy-fiddlers. Just as I don't think it decent for others to advise ways around it. I see your point , however, freedom of speech comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 This has been going on a long time. It finally stopped when I was verbally abused by a dyke officer and sent them a scathing letter, telling them they've checked me many times and have found nothing and I was tired of it. Then I started traveling with my gf and now wife, so no more searches. But they are arrogant as&$oles. Power drunk jerks. I sense some anger, resentment and hostility in your post. "Dyke, jerks, as&$oles, drunk". Very interesting indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricklev Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Just a kind of interesting side note. If they have the slightest doubt about the age of a girl or boy in a picture which they determine to be of a sexual nature, the picture will be examined by forensic doctors who will determine age using techniques such as pelvic measurements etc. This can be used as evidence in court but can still be challenged like all expert witness testimony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Had my camera searched at the San Francisco airport, told the TA I had nothing lude on the camera, just a titty and ass shot of my girlfriend. I also had oxycontin, muscle relaxer's, from a doctor in BKK for a back problem they fixed for me. I also had 2 diet pills I took away from my GF and forgot I threw them in my map and card box, on me. If those pills were an explosive device, when I tuned on the camera, could of taken out a good part of SF airport, he never checked my shave bag, which had the pills in or the map case. Thats the TA and Tax payers money at work!! Thank you Jesus!! I'm going back this year and will have an Indian Clothier, make me up a CATHOLIC CARDINAL SUITE........... I had to read your post three times and finally figured most of it out. Bizzaro World comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godden Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 got him sweating like a pedophile in a play ground 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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