Chiang Mai Redshirts Attack PCAD Rally

[ianf]

For all the moaners who criticize PCAD for wanting to reform by using means of demonstration: look at your friendly, heart warming alternative. The chronically threatening, one sided and violent neanderthals in red that never learned their lesson.

Sigh. Yawn. If you do not live outside Thailand, then you live in BKK. Been up north have you?. Your vitriolic one-sided spewing is just pathetic and embarassing. Grow a brain and come out with something half intelligent, please. And stop using the word "neanderthals", it's demeaning and disrespectful.

Demeaning? Accurate I would say. I saw these guys/women in Chiang Mai the other day. Frightening people.

[Davidhere]

the colour red or yellow is only indicating by whom they are paid.

So most of the protesters have a yellow and a red t-shirt in the cabinet.

They don give a "s***" who pays them.

Only the red shirts have a cabinet member.

This multiple-indicted loose cannon is Deputy Commerce Minister (involved with the rice scheme, btw)

[Rich teacher]

the colour red or yellow is only indicating by whom they are paid.

So most of the protesters have a yellow and a red t-shirt in the cabinet.

They don give a "s***" who pays them.

Only the red shirts have a cabinet member.

This multiple-indicted loose cannon is Deputy Commerce Minister (involved with the rice scheme, btw)

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Ex foreign minister & rabid yellow shirt, Kasit Piromya.

[Boxclever]

I think that the yellow naive protesters better stay in their safe zones of the south and Bangkok.

If not they will realize that they are hated by the majority of the people...

I can't blame the Chiangmai citizens to try to protect themselves from the thuggery of the yellows.

The north has been spared till now from the devastating effects of these irrational protests. Let's keep it this way, for the sake of the northern economy and the well being of the northern citizens.

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But these were local PCAD protesters, don't they have the democratic right, to say/show it ?

Why should they leave their home-town, and go to "safe zones of the south and Bangkok", they're Thai and should be safe anywhere, shouldn't they ?

Where do you get the crazed idea from, that there was any "thuggery of the yellows" involved, watch that video-clip again !

There is a long history of this sort of attack, by '51 Rak Chiang Mai' and others, on anyone who has alternative views, so it's simply wrong to try to claim that "the north has been spared till now", as you try to.

You clearly believe that those non-reds, and there are IME plenty of them who live up here, should stay quiet/subdued/intimidated, just how democratic is that ?

Ricardo, what do you think would happen if the Reds set up a stage in say Surat Thani and began protesting.

Seriously, what do you think would happen?

Surat Thani is red shirt leader Jatuporn's hometown and one might think the red shirts would have no problem hosted in the red shirt leader's Southern home, but for some reason he hasn't returned there much for quite some time and instead has tried to project an Issan persona for a number of years.

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Please answer the question...

What would happen if Red Shirts set up a stage and started protesting in any of the south yellow strongholds?

Simple question, what would happen?

Same as what would happen if the yellows did the same in red strongholds right?

C'mon, answer the question

Edited February 17, 2014 by Boxclever

[Davidhere]

the colour red or yellow is only indicating by whom they are paid.

So most of the protesters have a yellow and a red t-shirt in the cabinet.

They don give a "s***" who pays them.

Only the red shirts have a cabinet member.

This multiple-indicted loose cannon is Deputy Commerce Minister (involved with the rice scheme, btw)

Ex foreign minister

Kasit Piromya.

And not a yellow shirt leader like the indicted in 2007, 2009, and 2010 Natthawut is a red shirt leader.

[Boxclever]

the colour red or yellow is only indicating by whom they are paid.

So most of the protesters have a yellow and a red t-shirt in the cabinet.

They don give a "s***" who pays them.

Only the red shirts have a cabinet member.

This multiple-indicted loose cannon is Deputy Commerce Minister (involved with the rice scheme, btw)

image.jpg

Ex foreign minister

Kasit Piromya.

And not a yellow shirt leader like the indicted in 2007, 2009, and 2010 Natthawut is a red shirt leader.

David, I see by your content that you have contributed ZERO to this website designed to inform expat/tourists about Thailand. Infact you have only been a member of TV for a couple of weeks and all your 50 odd posts have been anti democratic blah blah blah. Are you a paid member of the PACD? no interest in contributing to the general TV community? There is much more to TV than just anti Thaksin rubbish you know

Edited February 17, 2014 by Boxclever

[Mackie]

David, I see by your content that you have contributed ZERO to this website designed to inform expat/tourists about Thailand. Infact you have only been a member of TV for a couple of weeks and all your 50 odd posts have been anti democratic blah blah blah. Are you a paid member of the PACD? no interest in contributing to the general TV community? There is much more to TV than just anti Thaksin rubbish you know

There is a good old saying the pot calling the kettle black. Boxclever post being the prime example of it. Why don't you simply mind your own business and let people post whatever they want? You just give people here a reason to call you a stalker.

[ponchi]

this show how the red shirt people are !!

the people democracy protest never have any violence in bangkok.

only thje violence happen when the red shirt come!

[marcusd]

200 of Chiang Mai's finest, what a wonderful future the country will have with people like this in charge.

They are already in charge. They are in Bangkok waiting for something to happen and my god it soon will. Farmers are now heading there

[binjalin]

same would have happened if PTP set up a rally in BKK

don't be hypocrites!

PTP would be moronic to do that just as the fascists are for doing it here

Why do you walk off topic with a political party like Pheu Thai? We're discussing anti-government protesters and some menacing red-shirts.

no we are discussing fascists vs. the PTP who have won every election in 20 years wake TF up!

Edited February 17, 2014 by binjalin

[binjalin]

this show how the red shirt people are !!

the people democracy protest never have any violence in bangkok.

only thje violence happen when the red shirt come!

[tilac2]

Good for the Chiang Mai redshirts! They have done what many people in Thailand should have done before: got the fascist Suthep's followers on the run.

The fascist Suthep has been terrorising the Capital for weeks and the police have done little to stop him (because Suthep is backed by the Thai Amarta). Suthep is a disgrace: he has threatened to kidnap the Prime Minister, his thugs have been taking shots at people, they've blocked elections, he's just invaded Government House helped by 500 of his bullyboy thugs. Imagine that in any other capital city in the world! It could not happen.

And because it does happen in Bangkok, surely it's understandable that the free citizens of the north try to prevent Suthep's followers from imposing their fascist system up there?

Suthep is a criminal by any normal standards. Just how his followers have the cheek to demonstrate in a law-abiding city like Chiang Mai defies belief!

Thank goodness for the Chiang Mai redshirts! These seem to be the only people in Thailand who are standing up to the barbarian anti-Democrats or PCAD or whatever they call themselves. Long live elections.

No democracy should tolerate fascists. I hope that next time even more redshirts will come out to keep Suthep's people away.

Long live free Thailand, or Siam as we should maybe call it! Or maybe in future Lanna/Isaan or Isaan/Lanna.

Edited February 17, 2014 by tilac2

[dard]

i'm just new here, but i've been following news, especially the latest turmoil in the land of smiles. if i've got it right "most of thai people" are tired of the current government, but in a true democracy the only and right way to bring a government down is by election. i mean Suthep or whatever his name is can't claim he is obeying by the rules when he and his followers prevent thai people form voting!

[lannathai]

i'm just new here, but i've been following news, especially the latest turmoil in the land of smiles. if i've got it right "most of thai people" are tired of the current government, but in a true democracy the only and right way to bring a government down is by election. i mean Suthep or whatever his name is can't claim he is obeying by the rules when he and his followers prevent thai people form voting!

Suthep never told his people to prevent anyone to go to the polls. But he just can't control everyone actions. However, on the election day, reportedly over 80% of the polls were opened. So PDRC did not prevent people from voting! Over 50% of Thai people just didn't want to show up at the polls. Do they have the right to do so? Yes. I think they do.

Suthep repeatedly said 'Reform before election', translates he isn't against election. But he believes that Thailand need to reform its political structure, the election process and regulations to be more democratic, also we need to weed out any corrupted politicians before a truly free and fair election can take place.

Why reform? Is the election a solution on everything? If you believe that winning an election, a politician can whitewash any crimes he commit in the past then you can side with Thaksin regime, and Thai people will not care anymore what you will say about them! Because obviously your democracy and ours are different! We only want all corrupted politicians to go to jail, not to run for an office again. We don't want them to use the election process to give them a new life to corrupt again and again. We are sick of all this!

As long as any politicians can spend billions to buy votes in the rural area, to brainwash the uneducated poor into believing in class warfare, to pit Thais against each other, Thailand needs a reform. I laugh at any foreigners who think they know everything about democracy. Well this is Thailand, not in some developed country. We're dealing with this corrupted election process for years, it needs to go now. Now is the only chance to save the country.

[JRSoul]

Good for the Chiang Mai redshirts! They have done what many people in Thailand should have done before: got the fascist Suthep's followers on the run.

The fascist Suthep has been terrorising the Capital for weeks and the police have done little to stop him (because Suthep is backed by the Thai Amarta). Suthep is a disgrace: he has threatened to kidnap the Prime Minister, his thugs have been taking shots at people, they've blocked elections, he's just invaded Government House helped by 500 of his bullyboy thugs. Imagine that in any other capital city in the world! It could not happen.

And because it does happen in Bangkok, surely it's understandable that the free citizens of the north try to prevent Suthep's followers from imposing their fascist system up there?

Suthep is a criminal by any normal standards. Just how his followers have the cheek to demonstrate in a law-abiding city like Chiang Mai defies belief!

Thank goodness for the Chiang Mai redshirts! These seem to be the only people in Thailand who are standing up to the barbarian anti-Democrats or PCAD or whatever they call themselves. Long live elections.

No democracy should tolerate fascists. I hope that next time even more redshirts will come out to keep Suthep's people away.

Long live free Thailand, or Siam as we should maybe call it! Or maybe in future Lanna/Isaan or Isaan/Lanna.

Pure and perfect hypocrisy. Labelling those with another point of view allows them to be villified and lose all democratic rights of free speech and protest, all in the name of "democracy".

[MrSlatersParrot]

The PCAD fascists where shown the door by the pro-democracy reds!

They run like cowards when they don’t have their southern thugs with assault rifles to protect them.

Yeah, bunch of brave Reds that only know violence. No politician or political party is worth anyone's life. So backward the reds and apparently you.

The cowards are the Reds. You ever known a bully in school. Those are the weakest form of people ever. They mask their insecurity by violence, much like you and the red shirts. Sorry, just exposing the truth. Time for you to grow up son!

Speaking about "school", "cowards" and "son"... It reminds me the case of the 10 years old child that was attacked by yellow (adult) extremists.

That was the gravest act of cowardice ever, ... and committed by crazy yellows who don't have respect for anything anymore.

But, of course, farangs supporting Suthep's insanity will reply that "it never happened"

It's a bit like continuing to pretend that the yellow protesters are "peaceful", while the social media is inundated by pictures proving the violence of the protesters and countless pictures of protesters caught will all sorts of lethal weapons...

Keep these crazy people away and prevent them from regrouping is the best possible defence against escalation.

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Bottom line, whenever Red Shirts confronts anyone, there is bound to be violence. The violence escalated, once the reds came into town and once Chalerm declare free for all against the protesters. More cowardly acts. You can only name one incident and out of one incident, So does that give anyone the rights to seek retribution? The reds MO. If someone screams at you shoot them. And there were no violence at the protest at the poll, only when the reds came to shoot at them. Yeah..like I said cowards.

And for your information, these are not yellows only. For once I agree with you, keep the Red Shirt radical out. We already know what damages they can do back in 2010. Inciting riot and burning buildings and all around bangkok and Thailand. Yeah...tough guys. Silly action for one man's greed. Silly lost of lives too.

just not posh enough are they the reds?

[MrSlatersParrot]

i'm just new here, but i've been following news, especially the latest turmoil in the land of smiles. if i've got it right "most of thai people" are tired of the current government, but in a true democracy the only and right way to bring a government down is by election. i mean Suthep or whatever his name is can't claim he is obeying by the rules when he and his followers prevent thai people form voting!

Point is most of the people aren't tired of the government because if they were they would be demanding a fresh election but you see the yellow don't want elections as they know they would lose hence all the theatrics.

[Davidhere]

The ever-present lack of condemnation by other red shirt leaders and forum supporters.

An afternoon and 80 posts later, still nothing from either.

Through the night and 130 posts later, we don't have condemnation of the violence yet, but we do have its polar opposite. Bizarrely, we have praise for the violence from their forum supporters, which even the red shirt leaders haven't done. Can't be easy to be more red than red shirt leaders.

Good for the Chiang Mai redshirts!

Thank goodness for the Chiang Mai redshirts!

[Ricardo]

But these were local PCAD protesters, don't they have the democratic right, to say/show it ?

Why should they leave their home-town, and go to "safe zones of the south and Bangkok", they're Thai and should be safe anywhere, shouldn't they ?

Where do you get the crazed idea from, that there was any "thuggery of the yellows" involved, watch that video-clip again !

There is a long history of this sort of attack, by '51 Rak Chiang Mai' and others, on anyone who has alternative views, so it's simply wrong to try to claim that "the north has been spared till now", as you try to.

You clearly believe that those non-reds, and there are IME plenty of them who live up here, should stay quiet/subdued/intimidated, just how democratic is that ? alt=blink.png>

Ricardo, what do you think would happen if the Reds set up a stage in say Surat Thani and began protesting.

Seriously, what do you think would happen?

Irrelevant and off-topic, this thread is about what happened to a few locals who attempted to have a small meeting, and the reaction of the local Reds.

It's also about the relative-inactivity of the local police, when a crime was being committed, in front of them.

My post was responding to the suggestion that there was something OK about what happened, that non-Reds should leave town or "better stay in their safe zones of the south and Bangkok", in the interests of "the northern economy and the well being of the northern citizens."

Chiang Mai is like many other parts of Thailand, it has a mixture of views, and these thuggish attempts to stamp out any opposition at all are long-standing and deeply worrying.

No answer because you know what the answer is.

The answer is they would react in the very same way.

"there is non so blind as those that will not see"

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You persist in trying to drag the thread off-course, this is about a case of red-shirt intimidation and violence in Chiang Mai, not a hypothetical situation in Surat Thani.

I live in Chiang Mai, not down South, and I (and other posters) have seen the local red-shirts carry out this sort of intimidation & violence many times over several years, which is why I responded to the original suggestion that "The north has been spared till now from the devastating effects of these irrational protests. Let's keep it this way," which is simply mistaken.

If this is the new "true democracy" to be heralded-in by Thaksin or TRT/PPP/PTP or the UDD/Red-Shirts, then I will speak out about it while i still can, it's thuggery and no sort of democracy that any sensible person would ever acknowledge or defend. If this is a look at the future, democracy under a Red dictatorship for the whole country rather than just Chiang Mai, then it's no advance at all on the past.

I have in-the-past said that I thought the Reds should be able to campaign down-South, and been criticised for doing so, no problem as I have broad shoulders ! Nor do I want to see this wonderful country go back to feudal times, democracy is an improvement on what went before, and the Dems IMO are/were merely slightly-less bad.

But there is a very real danger that, as Thailand slowly moves from feudalism to a limited-democracy, it may be (or already has been ?) hi-jacked by a populist-leadership who merely want to be the new Big-Boss, and their minions breaking-up any rally which doesn't wholeheartedly agree with them is a warning-sign of this.

The low turn-out up-North in the recent election, only a shade over half despite voting being mandatory, and the high level of spoilt-papers and 'no'-votes, confirms that there are many people in Chiang Mai who don't necessarily see the Reds as representing them. And yet when a handful of locals try to hold a small rally, the 'independent reds' violently suppress it while the police stand by doing not-very-much, why do the reds (and their local/national/overseas) leaders feel so threatened by the normal workings of democracy ? Are they too uncertain about the strength of their hold on the city, or the country as-a-whole ?

This sort of thing should be exposed, and condemned, wherever it happens.

[whybother]

But these were local PCAD protesters, don't they have the democratic right, to say/show it ?

Why should they leave their home-town, and go to "safe zones of the south and Bangkok", they're Thai and should be safe anywhere, shouldn't they ?

Where do you get the crazed idea from, that there was any "thuggery of the yellows" involved, watch that video-clip again !

There is a long history of this sort of attack, by '51 Rak Chiang Mai' and others, on anyone who has alternative views, so it's simply wrong to try to claim that "the north has been spared till now", as you try to.

You clearly believe that those non-reds, and there are IME plenty of them who live up here, should stay quiet/subdued/intimidated, just how democratic is that ?

Ricardo, what do you think would happen if the Reds set up a stage in say Surat Thani and began protesting.

Seriously, what do you think would happen?

Once again, the red shirts HAVE protested down south. Have you seen any reports that they have been harassed?

[magnbol]

The ever-present lack of condemnation by other red shirt leaders and forum supporters.

An afternoon and 80 posts later, still nothing from either.

Through the night and 130 posts later, we don't have condemnation of the violence yet, but we do have its polar opposite. Bizarrely, we have praise for the violence from their forum supporters, which even the red shirt leaders haven't done. Can't be easy to be more red than red shirt leaders.

Good for the Chiang Mai redshirts!

Thank goodness for the Chiang Mai redshirts!

Read them again then. I'd condemned it earlier in this thread.

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[Davidhere]

^ Your condemnation was seen at the time, but you're not a forum supporter of the red shirts.

That excluded you from being included in my post above.

[sonar6ca]

The PCAD fascists where shown the door by the pro-democracy reds!

They run like cowards when they don’t have their southern thugs with assault rifles to protect them.

It looks like you and your fan club know a lot about democracy.

[rubl]

same would have happened if PTP set up a rally in BKK

don't be hypocrites!

PTP would be moronic to do that just as the fascists are for doing it here

Why do you walk off topic with a political party like Pheu Thai? We're discussing anti-government protesters and some menacing red-shirts.

no we are discussing fascists vs. the PTP who have won every election in 20 years wake TF up!

Actually my dear chap, we're trying to discuss the topic of PCAS rally attacked by red-shirts. now if you want to call those red-shirts fascists because of being so menacing, that's up to you. Still totally off topic. Even the statement of 20 year PT election wins is off topic if only because it's incorrect.

Now be a good chap and discuss the topic or look for the right topic to talk about whatever you want to talk about.

[antimedia]

It will be a glorious day in Thailand when the new government start rounding up all the farang red shirt supporters and start deporting them. Can't wait for your demise.

[outsider]

No news here ... this is simply the "United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship" (ha ha!) exercising "democracy", Taksinista-style.

Did you mean 'United Front for Dictatorship Against Democracy'? Reads as 'UDD' too, ya know...

[magnbol]

^ Your condemnation was seen at the time, but you're not a forum supporter of the red shirts.

That excluded you from being included in my post above.

Fair enough :-)

However I'm a supporter of democracy and FAIR elections.

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[binjalin]

same would have happened if PTP set up a rally in BKK

don't be hypocrites!

PTP would be moronic to do that just as the fascists are for doing it here

Why do you walk off topic with a political party like Pheu Thai? We're discussing anti-government protesters and some menacing red-shirts.

no we are discussing fascists vs. the PTP who have won every election in 20 years wake TF up!

Actually my dear chap, we're trying to discuss the topic of PCAS rally attacked by red-shirts. now if you want to call those red-shirts fascists because of being so menacing, that's up to you. Still totally off topic. Even the statement of 20 year PT election wins is off topic if only because it's incorrect.

Now be a good chap and discuss the topic or look for the right topic to talk about whatever you want to talk about.

Actually my dear fellow I was on topic - I stated if PTP had set up the same in BKK the same result - do put on your specs!

[rubl]

Actually my dear chap, we're trying to discuss the topic of PCAS rally attacked by red-shirts. now if you want to call those red-shirts fascists because of being so menacing, that's up to you. Still totally off topic. Even the statement of 20 year PT election wins is off topic if only because it's incorrect.

Now be a good chap and discuss the topic or look for the right topic to talk about whatever you want to talk about.

Actually my dear fellow I was on topic - I stated if PTP had set up the same in BKK the same result - do put on your specs!

You seem to assume that a discussion on protest groups should include Pheu Thai as well? Probably because so many red-shirts and even UDD co-leaders were Pheu Thai (party list) MPs before Ms. Yingluck dissolved the House.

As some have assured me, we should stick to reality and not ask phony hypothetical questions.

BTW if I allow you the 20 years of PTP election wins, will you allow me to contribute to them the 1997 Financial Crisis, the 2006 Thaksin formost disaster, the 2008 'ignore the economy, get Thaksin back' fun and Yingluck 'passport affair', 'blanket amnesty bill' and the '700 billion not enough, need 130 billion more' success?