Bluespunk Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Things are seriously getting out of hand. Something need to be done to bring peace before more people are killed or injured in these hate attacks. Both sides talk to help bring these attacked to a halt. Suthep hate speeches does not help matters with his popcorn man jokes. This attack could be revenge for the shooting of police this week. But innocent children being killed is too much. Sit down and talk work something out for the sake of the country. All those killed are innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevoboy Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Just spoken to my brother in law who lives in the town where it happened.He said 3 dead and 40 injured. Sent from my GT-S5830i using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueNoseCodger Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) On this series of Red-Shirt Cartoons you can see how they promote violence against those who think different than them. Yesterday we saw the results More here: http://pantip.com/topic/30746057 People really should see the cartoons in your link. Hopefully it is just the view of a few red shirts, but I worry it is not just a few. No, we just want to vote for our government. Violence serves no purpose if your are the majority government. Violence only serves coup-mongers and violent minorities interests. I believe all the threats of popcorn men coming to kill us are intended to stir violence, which his friends in the military can then use as an excuse to have a coup. [added, so now we see who comes forward and attempts the military coup option and we know who is behind the violence] Did you actually look at the link? A disgusting string of cartoons advocating, in EVERY CASE, violence against anti-government "dogs". And to make it worse it is being carried out be children, usually a young girl (I am assuming used to represent the "innocent" Yingluk). Do you think the constant repetition of the image of a young girl smashing out the brains of a dog is aimed educated and reasonable people? "advocating, in EVERY CASE, violence against anti-government "dogs"".... which you then attributed to be the attitude of everyone who supports the government. But that link is in your claim, not in the real world. They just want to vote in their government, such violence, if anything would give the military an excuse for a coup, which is against the governments interests, and thus against the interests of the people who voted them in. So you can object to the cartoon, but to pretend it is how every voter is thinking is ridiculous them vs us propaganda. Edited February 23, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Leei Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Again you miss my point. I doubt any grenade or gun fire was aimed at little girls eating in noodle shops ... it was aimed at protestors. The protestors are attracting violence because of their intimidation tactics and innocents are getting hurt ... this is the concept behind using an SOE ... to try to protect innocents from the harm the protestors are causing. As a parent myself, if you bring your violent protest near my restaurant I'd leave very quick smart ... only a stupid parent would sit so close to such a powder keg ... Sent from my GT-N5100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Your point is non-existant. The attack was indiscriminate. They shot at a noodle shop and a stage.... wreaking death in a random, senseless way... This is the same way terrorists work.... cowardly attacks on both innocents, and enemies....as long as it happens, and gets in the news. Certainly it is obvious that they did not care of children/innocents were shot. They were not sharpshooters, and no targets were assigned. It was a bumbling, vicious act without regard to human life and democratic (yes the courts ruled it was ok) protest. The surprising thing, with communications being as it is...and more than likely the presence of surveillance cameras, (wouldn't you want to watch what might happen?) ... how in the hay did the vehicles not get identified and a perimeter of possible escape routes manned? I guess you didnt read my post then ... getting fairly pointless arguing with you Ps: when a clearly biased court rules in your favour it doesnt make it democratic ... the public didnt vote on the protests being allowed ... if they had then the decision would be much different ... but Dictator Suthep doesnt allow voting. Learn the definition of democracy. Pps: don't take your kids anywhere near this violent protest ... if you do you're dumber than Dictator Suthep. If the protests come near your family, move away. Ppps: Dictator Suthep is deliberately attracting violence using provocation now ... it's undoubtedly part of his endgame to get the military involved ... and clearly displays how he intends to run Thailand ... using FORCE Sent from my GT-N5100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barney R Posted February 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2014 Trat?!?! I thought all the anti-government protesters were rich elite in Bangkok or radical Deep Southerners according to several TV experts. Sad to say!When they stray out of their stronghold of Bangkok, and attempt to recreate in other parts of the country the havoc they created in Bangkok under the protection of the Rich E.E allies, they will be met with resistance, Cheers Unbelievable post ,you sir are nothing but a thug ,condoning this type of action on people who have a right to choose their own political leanings. It is so easy to sit on your typewriter and spew hate go out and see the aftermath of these actions . Are you happy that innocent children were in that crowd ? Go talk your rubbish elsewhere it is not needed here . 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thesetat2013 Posted February 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2014 Trat?!?! I thought all the anti-government protesters were rich elite in Bangkok or radical Deep Southerners according to several TV experts. Sad to say!When they stray out of their stronghold of Bangkok, and attempt to recreate in other parts of the country the havoc they created in Bangkok under the protection of the Rich E.E allies, they will be met with resistance, Cheers You sound quite pleased this happened to the PDRC. You and your likes have some maladjusted thinking if you really believe this kind of violence is ok.Just because they attacked someone who thinks and feels differently about politics doesnt make it ok to hurt them. Next you will be thinking its ok to kill someone if they dont follow the REDS. If it is your way or no way then you are the beginnings of a Hitler regime. My suggestion to kikoman and jollyman and other who feel this way is to seek emergency psycholigical medical treatment Im sure the doctors can find a cure for RED BLINDNESS. Sent from my GT-S5310 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Hey hey easy there brutus ...If you organise a protest that holds a city hostage to the dictatorial opinion of a tiny minority, strong arm and intimidate people just doing their jobs into closing their businesses, causing the financial ruin of hundreds of tourism businesses, stop people from exercising their RIGHT to vote, chasing away investors, threatening people with violence (poptart mercenaries ... yes they are mercenaries) and showing off about it, then you are going to make a lot of people angry and provoke an equally violent response .... and if you hang around people who do this, then you MUST expect exactly this kind of thing to happen ... its not a good thing at all, but you must expect it. I say, if you kick a dog often enough then you have no right to complain when it bites you. I regret terribly that children have been hurt, but in all honesty what kind of parent takes a child into such a potentially violent situation? If Suthep really cared he'd send them home, but the coward wants his human shields. Sent from my GT-N5100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Whoa there. You talk a good talk but you completely twist the facts. The protesters didnt hold this city hostage. In fact nobody was hostage to anything except traffic jams being diverted from the protest sites. From what i understand business was booming near the protest sites. Only those who chose to close did. The protesters didnt harass businesses until just recently and now only Thaksin owned businesses are targeted. Since the thai constitution states it is their right to hold these protests on public grounds and since all the gov bldgs are considered PUBLIC to the thai people then these protests were legalvwether you like them or not. They didnt stop the gov workers from doing their job because the workers relocated to other places. The gov didnt stop working. The protest did not chase the money from foreigners away. Tourism was a little lower than normal in bkk but outside of bkk was ok. YL starting this SOE is what chased investors and tousrists away. People were watchful and leery about coming here but the SOE made them sure not to come. It also made other gov deny exit for tourists here and caused airline travel insurances to br cancelled. I cannot deny that Suthep has gotten a big head and has shown he has people to protect his supporters from attacks. But if you objectively at his reasons. It is the gov job to protect them during constitutionally approved demonstrations. They didnt supply police support sufficient to the protest numbers to do this and in turn pot shots were taken at them at various locations. If you were Suthep you would not be trustful if that happened to you and would want your own protection. I dont agree with Suthep blocking the votes. But by doing that it gave time for criminal activity to come to light and for the public to become aware of these. This delay ultimately made people look a little closer at the gov and YLS dealings. Havent you ever thought about why YL was so quick to resign and call for fast elections and push the EC to hold then even without the numbers for people to vote for. Even when approved to delay YL insisted it happen immediately. ASAP. After that many controversial scandals have been announced. Look at the logic of it all. Your last few comments are the kicker. Most of these people are older and very young protesting now. They are not armed and not looking for a fight. The people who attacked them are the same as terrorists. They kill innocent peaceful people in the name of who or what they believe in. They do it indiscriminarely without regard for human rights. The only people who made it violent today were these terrorists. From what i understand these protests are more of a celebration than a rally to make people angry. So they didnt go looking for violence. They went to have fun and hear about something they believe in. Violence came looking for them. You really should follow all the news without bias to either side. Maybe then you can see all that is happening with better eyes. Sent from my GT-S5310 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zpete Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) THAKSIN has much to answer for, His sister and their avaricious co-horts as well. Edited February 23, 2014 by Zpete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusd Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Where on earth do these people get GRENADES?????? These are MILITARY weapons and I doubt FREELY AVAILABLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRSoul Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Did you actually look at the link? A disgusting string of cartoons advocating, in EVERY CASE, violence against anti-government "dogs". And to make it worse it is being carried out be children, usually a young girl (I am assuming used to represent the "innocent" Yingluk). Do you think the constant repetition of the image of a young girl smashing out the brains of a dog is aimed educated and reasonable people? "advocating, in EVERY CASE, violence against anti-government "dogs"".... which you then attributed to be the attitude of everyone who supports the government. But that link is in your claim, not in the real world. They just want to vote in their government, such violence, if anything would give the military an excuse for a coup, which is against the governments interests, and thus against the interests of the people who voted them in. So you can object to the cartoon, but to pretend it is how every voter is thinking is ridiculous them vs us propaganda. "cartoons advocating, in EVERY CASE," is exactly correct and has no relationship to "everyone who supports the government" except that they are published by SOMEONE who supports the government and obviously aimed at moron level government supporters. I hope you enjoyed them. Learn how to read, and/or stop trying to throw in strawman arguments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakk9 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 "advocating, in EVERY CASE, violence against anti-government "dogs"".... which you then attributed to be the attitude of everyone who supports the government. But that link is in your claim, not in the real world. They just want to vote in their government, such violence, if anything would give the military an excuse for a coup, which is against the governments interests, and thus against the interests of the people who voted them in. So you can object to the cartoon, but to pretend it is how every voter is thinking is ridiculous them vs us propaganda. Are you that gullible? Those who made the cartoons are the ones you are voting for when you vote for PTP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCFC Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 And now the true side of the PTP and REDS emerge.Show us your evidence before making statements like these. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueNoseCodger Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) "advocating, in EVERY CASE, violence against anti-government "dogs"".... which you then attributed to be the attitude of everyone who supports the government. But that link is in your claim, not in the real world. They just want to vote in their government, such violence, if anything would give the military an excuse for a coup, which is against the governments interests, and thus against the interests of the people who voted them in. So you can object to the cartoon, but to pretend it is how every voter is thinking is ridiculous them vs us propaganda. Are you that gullible? Those who made the cartoons are the ones you are voting for when you vote for PTP. Yingluk can't draw cartoons for toffee, she called elections rather than suppress the protest, (i.e. peaceful response), so your claim makes no sense. Edited February 23, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmugghc Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 On this series of Red-Shirt Cartoons you can see how they promote violence against those who think different than them. Yesterday we saw the results More here: http://pantip.com/topic/30746057 Reminds me of the Red Khmer's propaganda in Cambodia and the Cultural Revolution in China. Perhaps not unsurprising since several of the UDD leaders have Maoist backgrounds. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Why are people taking children to these protests? I have a five year old daughter and therefore those pictures of her in the hospital hit me pretty hard. I remember in 2010, people holding screaming babies above barricades in Bangkok. Leave the kids at home! She was eating at the noodle stall in the maRKET not protesting And even if she was at the Protest site, She didn't deserve to be shot! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) <snip for brevity> Fourthly, the cycle of violence was started in 2008 by the PAD/Yellow shirts. They used violence as a means back then, which has started this cycle of violence and protests. All in my opinion of course. "the cycle of violence was started in 2008" Sorry, but I clearly recall violence during the Thaksin-era, in some cases actually directed by the police, in 2005 against PAD-protesters, so that's incorrect. Others, who've been here even longer, may well recall instances prior to that ? Political violence in Thailand is not such a recent development, as you suggest, I'm afraid. Edited February 23, 2014 by Ricardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Where on earth do these people get GRENADES?????? These are MILITARY weapons and I doubt FREELY AVAILABLE About $5 each in Cambodia. Thai military AND Police have them in Thailand. Edited February 23, 2014 by casualbiker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtoad Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Maybe you should read the report a bit more closely before postingWhich of the thousands of reports I've read over the last few months doesn't still add up to the same result .... you hurt people continually and eventually they'll fight back .... you unfortunately think the reds are the only people unhappy with Suthep ... by now there must be so many more people wanting to hurt him and the professionally armed protestors for all the pain they suffered at his handsSent from my GT-N5100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app The girl was not at the protest, they were eating noodles at the market nearby. But dont let that get in the way of blaming Suthep.Again you miss my point. I doubt any grenade or gun fire was aimed at little girls eating in noodle shops ... it was aimed at protestors. The protestors are attracting violence because of their intimidation tactics and innocents are getting hurt ... this is the concept behind using an SOE ... to try to protect innocents from the harm the protestors are causing. As a parent myself, if you bring your violent protest near my restaurant I'd leave very quick smart ... only a stupid parent would sit so close to such a powder keg ... Sent from my GT-N5100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app I haven't missed your point. The protestors are not intimidating people, particularly not in Trat which historically is not a PTP / Red Shirt area. It was not a violent protest either. I very much doubt anyone locally, would have anticipated anything like this. Your attempt at blamining the parents is quite ludicrous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakk9 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 On this series of Red-Shirt Cartoons you can see how they promote violence against those who think different than them. Yesterday we saw the results More here: http://pantip.com/topic/30746057 Reminds me of the Red Khmer's propaganda in Cambodia and the Cultural Revolution in China. Perhaps not unsurprising since several of the UDD leaders have Maoist backgrounds. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Exactly my thoughts, and very scary. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Thailand violence is all over the land. The south , Trat, everywhere. It is totally out of control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtoad Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 On this series of Red-Shirt Cartoons you can see how they promote violence against those who think different than them. Yesterday we saw the results More here: http://pantip.com/topic/30746057 Reminds me of the Red Khmer's propaganda in Cambodia and the Cultural Revolution in China. Perhaps not unsurprising since several of the UDD leaders have Maoist backgrounds.Sent from my Nexus 5 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Exactly my thoughts, and very scary. And of course Thaksins good mate Hun Sen has a lot if experience as well. Those cartoon strips though are really unpleasant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zydeco Posted February 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2014 Things are seriously getting out of hand. Something need to be done to bring peace before more people are killed or injured in these hate attacks. Both sides talk to help bring these attacked to a halt. Suthep hate speeches does not help matters with his popcorn man jokes. This attack could be revenge for the shooting of police this week. But innocent children being killed is too much. Sit down and talk work something out for the sake of the country. And yet here you were just a few days ago actually advocating throwing grenades. You don't know a dam_n thing about me. I don't kiss Suthep butt nor do I kiss the government butt. I do what is best for me and how I think. And, I think the Suthep is destroying the life of the common person for his own glory. People who have business with the government can not do business. People are threatening with harm if they go to work, Thais are having problem getting land purchases, simple acts as of passport or drive to work without the road being blocked. You can protest but not block the rights of others. As for the farmers they are too stupid to understand Suthep is the one who cause the mess for them with the stupid rice scheme. Suthep talks from both sides of his mouth in a Hilter style. Yes I hate that man and wish the worst for him. I would also like to see a fair selected group of people run the country until elections can be held. But not the Demo or Suthep involved at all. But the most important thing is everyone has rights and don't block my rights because you don't like something, I may get upset and grab a M79 and blow your ass away. This is where the violence is coming from at night, not the Reds like you want to think, it's the people on the streets. Wish up ggold and stop kissing Suthep butt all the time. "I may get upset and grab a M79 and blow your ass away," you say, Red Snake. And, now, precisely that has happened. You must be proud. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/705096-cmpo-set-to-retake-sites-by-feb-19/page-2#entry7451564 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I suppose those sick b******ds of propagandists for PTP/red supporters will say it was self inflicted publicity stunt. It seems every time a decent politician (of which Thailand has too few) put their head above the parapet they get shoot at or stitched up, and when anybody opposes this corrupt government it is made illegal to do so and if they still continue to protest they get shoot at. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomacht8 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Trat?!?! I thought all the anti-government protesters were rich elite in Bangkok or radical Deep Southerners according to several TV experts. Sad to say! When they stray out of their stronghold of Bangkok, and attempt to recreate in other parts of the country the havoc they created in Bangkok under the protection of the Rich E.E allies, they will be met with resistance, Cheers Tasteless posting. Shame on you. Attempting to beat political capital out of the death of innocent people. That is sick. Edited February 23, 2014 by tomacht8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseTommy Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Can we please stop posting show us your evidence? There is none due to a lack of any investigation by Police, who are led by the CMPO. Also I think red snakes posts are horrible. However lay off him at least his latest post is completely sensible and to the point regardless of politics! Edited February 23, 2014 by ScouseTommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otherstuff1957 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 This one is highly evocative, for anyone who knows anything about Thai history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Why ask Posted February 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2014 I cannot for the life of me believe the posts being issued here from Kikoman and Rich Teacher (rich, and a teacher.... both Fail) Utterly dispicable words of support for such a horrible act. The protestors are peaceful, that's why they make a family outing, and if you don't know by now, after saying you have lived here for eons, that is the Thai way. You blame parents for walking peacefully with their children, and the children get injured or killed? You really believe it is parental fault to take your child to the market? Good Lord!... or Oh! My Buddha both come to mind. Either you are both psychotic, or here to take the piss only. What did the little girl or her parents know? They simply went to the market. Get a life you pair, a real one, which carries respect and dignity.... for your own well-being. You both sadden many people with your passive, undignified, ignorant and heartless posts. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LevelHead Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Why are people taking children to these protests? I have a five year old daughter and therefore those pictures of her in the hospital hit me pretty hard. I remember in 2010, people holding screaming babies above barricades in Bangkok. Leave the kids at home! She was eating at the noodle stall in the maRKET not protesting And even if she was at the Protest site, She didn't deserve to be shot! It appears she was hit by shrapnel from grenade thrown at PDRC guards eating at the noodle stall. She was not shot. Although I understand for those trying to spin this for their gain saying she was shot sounds more dramatic. if the headline were that she was an innocent bystander hit by shrapnel from a grenade thrown at PDRC guards eating at the stall where she was by unknown attackers - its less helpful to the PDRC cause perhaps................ Its terrible she was killed and all violence needs to be condemend. All in my opinion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseTommy Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Why are people taking children to these protests? I have a five year old daughter and therefore those pictures of her in the hospital hit me pretty hard. I remember in 2010, people holding screaming babies above barricades in Bangkok. Leave the kids at home! She was eating at the noodle stall in the maRKET not protesting And even if she was at the Protest site, She didn't deserve to be shot! It appears she was hit by shrapnel from grenade thrown at PDRC guards eating at the noodle stall. She was not shot. Although I understand for those trying to spin this for their gain saying she was shot sounds more dramatic. if the headline were that she was an innocent bystander hit by shrapnel from a grenade thrown at PDRC guards eating at the stall where she was by unknown attackers - its less helpful to the PDRC cause perhaps................ Its terrible she was killed and all violence needs to be condemend. All in my opinion of course. I am not spinning anything. Both sides disgust me. However what disgusts me more are farang posters who try to spin EVERYTHING to suit their politics. I apologize for typing shot, however reports are conflicted. However IT DOESN'T MATTER! What matters is there is a little girl who is now DEAD! Edited February 23, 2014 by ScouseTommy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JRSoul Posted February 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2014 It appears she was hit by shrapnel from grenade thrown at PDRC guards eating at the noodle stall. She was not shot. Although I understand for those trying to spin this for their gain saying she was shot sounds more dramatic. if the headline were that she was an innocent bystander hit by shrapnel from a grenade thrown at PDRC guards eating at the stall where she was by unknown attackers - its less helpful to the PDRC cause perhaps................ Its terrible she was killed and all violence needs to be condemend. All in my opinion of course. Can you explain to me what difference it makes which piece of metal ended her life? Is throwing a grenade at a noodle stall somehow less of a crime than firing into a crowd? Is one less likely to kill innocents than the other? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakk9 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Why are people taking children to these protests? I have a five year old daughter and therefore those pictures of her in the hospital hit me pretty hard. I remember in 2010, people holding screaming babies above barricades in Bangkok. Leave the kids at home! She was eating at the noodle stall in the maRKET not protesting And even if she was at the Protest site, She didn't deserve to be shot! It appears she was hit by shrapnel from grenade thrown at PDRC guards eating at the noodle stall. She was not shot. Although I understand for those trying to spin this for their gain saying she was shot sounds more dramatic. if the headline were that she was an innocent bystander hit by shrapnel from a grenade thrown at PDRC guards eating at the stall where she was by unknown attackers - its less helpful to the PDRC cause perhaps................ Its terrible she was killed and all violence needs to be condemend. All in my opinion of course. You were there, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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