Surapong says government is ready to talk with PDRC

[whybother]

No one is swayed by Surapong's invitation, as all such invitations in the past - like the " forum " Yingluck and Surapong officiated over a month ago - will be anything other than to bow to the administration's will at each and every turn. Surapong - in his maddenly somnambulistic addresses - has done everything to convey an inner kind of madness - from his international opinion updates - which all apparently enthusiastically endorse the administration - to his admonitions of the EC - to his call for punitive sanctions against the PDRC and any who support it. He's the mouthpiece of his cousin, Thaksin. And everything he says manages to freeze before it hits the ground.

So sad that after this latest round of murders its still the same triumphalist bile you spout on here everyday that offers nothing more but conflict.

In this fight there can be no winners and loosers, it isnt a football match. There can be conflict or there can be compromise and peace.

I grew up in somewhere with 2 sides even more divided than here, with many more deaths than here, (80`s Belfast) and it was a victory that brought an end to the conflict it was compromise on all sides. If people like myself can tolerate mass murderers of our own families in our government, Im quite sure people in Thailand can tolerate Thaskin or red shirt related people.

Suthep and his cronies (and the right wing sexpats that cheer them here) need to be very clear - there can be no overall victory where everyone from the other side of the political spectrum disappears off the face of the earth and you live in your own yellow shirt utopia. There can be a compromise where Yingluck will dissappear off the scene and legislation made to combat corruption. This is all you can hope for and your hand is weakening everyday, take it now before its too late.

Ireland had compromise on both sides. What compromise has Yingluck offered?

[diehard60]

When this all said and done it will be interesting IF they ever find out who was doining all the bombing. I place my bets on people from the south, as this is their tactics.

But will suthep come to the table to talk???? NO WAY NEVER. because he wants it ALL.

[whybother]

Someone last week seemed to have predicted that after Suthep started targeting Thaksin's businesses, the government would be more open for discussions. Someone called it right.

Someone predicted that the sun would come up this morning and it did. Let's build him a shrine.

The government has been offering talks to Suthep since November 2013, virtually every week. There are dozen of news posts here to back it up. Suthep has been rejecting talks every single time. His goal is not a peaceful solution. He will reject this one, too.

When my prediction becomes reality, be sure to quote it.

I predict the sun will set in about 2 hrs time. I predict that the crowd of protestors and passers by at the Asoke rally site will number around 250 - 300 pax this evening. I predict that there will be a song played at around 6 pm that will cause all the above to stand. I predict that there will be speeches and music on stage till around 1 am and everyone will then bugger off.

Actually, those are not predictions but just calculated guesses based on painfully collected empirical data over the past few months. I will quote myself if proven right

The sun will set SOMEWHERE in 2 hours time.

[diehard60]

No one is swayed by Surapong's invitation, as all such invitations in the past - like the " forum " Yingluck and Surapong officiated over a month ago - will be anything other than to bow to the administration's will at each and every turn. Surapong - in his maddenly somnambulistic addresses - has done everything to convey an inner kind of madness - from his international opinion updates - which all apparently enthusiastically endorse the administration - to his admonitions of the EC - to his call for punitive sanctions against the PDRC and any who support it. He's the mouthpiece of his cousin, Thaksin. And everything he says manages to freeze before it hits the ground.

So sad that after this latest round of murders its still the same triumphalist bile you spout on here everyday that offers nothing more but conflict.

In this fight there can be no winners and loosers, it isnt a football match. There can be conflict or there can be compromise and peace.

I grew up in somewhere with 2 sides even more divided than here, with many more deaths than here, (80`s Belfast) and it was a victory that brought an end to the conflict it was compromise on all sides. If people like myself can tolerate mass murderers of our own families in our government, Im quite sure people in Thailand can tolerate Thaskin or red shirt related people.

Suthep and his cronies (and the right wing sexpats that cheer them here) need to be very clear - there can be no overall victory where everyone from the other side of the political spectrum disappears off the face of the earth and you live in your own yellow shirt utopia. There can be a compromise where Yingluck will dissappear off the scene and legislation made to combat corruption. This is all you can hope for and your hand is weakening everyday, take it now before its too late.

Ireland had compromise on both sides. What compromise has Yingluck offered?

Number 1 this is not ireland.

2. And she has offered to sit down and talk.

3. suthep will not do that ever as he wants it all.

[diehard60]

He said Yingluck does not want to cling to her premier position and does not want to fight to be a premier forever. But she wanted the election to proceed in line with the rules.

Resign Yingluck. Then elections will have a chance of continuing.

So you've gone over to the dark side. You're quite happy with the tactics of suthep of blocking the election until Yingluck resigns?

Why should she? The elections should be finished in a democratic way without hindrance from suthep, his mobs or the so called EC.

Then reforms can be discussed and suthep taken to court.

The protesters won't go until she (and Thaksin) is gone. The problems in Thailand since late 2005 have been because of Thaksin. Get them out of the way and then Thailand can move forward.

That does NOT mean that I support Suthep's "People's Council". Yingluck resigning doesn't mean that PTP can't continue in government.

And what about suthep???? He should leave also. But he wont because he wants it ALL for himself and the hell with everyone else.

[fab4]

Why should she, she was elected and will probably be reelected?

What..... with a shitty 8 million votes?

What planet did you just land from. The Dems would win ANY election, and I bet they are waiting for their next chance, and they will pounce.

Any rerun will see her get even less when the farmers realise they have been lied to once again.

Stop spouting 'democracy'.... that system has never existed in Thailand and what pitiful excuse for democracy that did exist was executed of the alter by Thaksin and his PTP cronies.

Go back to your planet.

I'd never thought I'd see that comment outside of a comedy sketch;

"The Dems would win ANY election"

A real fanboy it seems.You know what they say;

"You've got to be in it, to win it"

Not applicable to the dems, I'm afraid.

P.S. Why do they call you Crazy Dave? No don't tell me, I think I know.........

Edited February 24, 2014 by fab4

[heybruce]

Suthep wants the democratically elected government handed over to him and the chance to "reform" elections so that the majority doesn't determine the election outcome. To accomplish this he is using street mobs and illegal occupation of government buildings, and obstructed the last election. What kind of compromise is possible with him?

I'll anticipate the replies; "this government is bad!", and give the answer: Deal with it through elections and the courts.

[diehard60]

Someone last week seemed to have predicted that after Suthep started targeting Thaksin's businesses, the government would be more open for discussions. Someone called it right.

they have been offering talks for weeks, months. Nothing new here. It is Suthep's brinkmanship and intransigence that make resolution and dialogue difficult

Indeed they do, each time they are driven into a new corner, but their offers are onesided so nobody is interested in those talks.

And that includes many other organisations than Suthep.

Do you even know what suthep wants???? Do you even have a clue at all as to what he wants?????

[crobe]

Suthep has held out this long, but the time for talks is actually next week - and he should now accept the invitation under the chairmanship of an independent third party

He should accept because next week he will have achieved the aim of stopping the election forming a quorum and parliament meeting in session as it is obliged to do after 30 days.

The talks can then take place on what administration and interim government shall be used to replace the current caretaker administration after April 1st., when they will lose their authority under the constitution and Yingluck will no longer be the Prime Minister - she does not need to resign, this is automatic.

Once an interim administration is agreed the Suthep can stick to his word and retire from politics.

The interim administration should also not include the Shin clan or near relatives, so that an open reform process and new elections can be held - probably not before the end of the year.

If the interim administration is made up of individuals who are without political allegiance or corrupt practices, then this may show Thailand what a real government can and should do.

At least I am hoping for the best

[whybother]

And what about suthep???? He should leave also. But he wont because he wants it ALL for himself and the hell with everyone else.

Yes. Suthep should get out too. Which he has said he will do.

[whybother]

Ireland had compromise on both sides. What compromise has Yingluck offered?

Number 1 this is not ireland.

2. And she has offered to sit down and talk.

3. suthep will not do that ever as he wants it all.

Maybe you should talk to tullyngardy about bringing up Ireland.

Yingluck has said she won't resign. Therefore there is nothing for Suthep to discuss.

[ggold]

He said Yingluck does not want to cling to her premier position and does not want to fight to be a premier forever. But she wanted the election to proceed in line with the rules.

Resign Yingluck. Then elections will have a chance of continuing.

So you've gone over to the dark side. You're quite happy with the tactics of suthep of blocking the election until Yingluck resigns?

Why should she? The elections should be finished in a democratic way without hindrance from suthep, his mobs or the so called EC.

Then reforms can be discussed and suthep taken to court.

The elections should be finished in a democratic way

They weren't Democratic to start. And Yingluks refusal to resign is hindering Democratic elections.

Edited February 24, 2014 by ggold

[Robby nz]

Pradith says Yingluck wants to talk to PDRC

BANGKOK: -- Caretaker Public Health Minister Pradith Sinthawanarong said Monday that Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra wanted to negotiate with the leaders of People's Democratic Reform Committee to seek a solution for the political deadlock.

He said Yingluck does not want to cling to her premier position and does not want to fight to be a premier forever. But she wanted the election to proceed in line with the rules.

Pradith was speaking after visiting injured people at Rajavithi hospital, saying he does not want to see more innocent people die.

-- The Nation 2014-02-24

Then a few moments later :

BANGKOK: -- Caretaker Prime Minister Yinglulck Shinawatra repeated her strong determination to stay on to power to the last minute to uphold democracy.

[tullynagardy]

Ireland had compromise on both sides. What compromise has Yingluck offered?

Its hard to know when that lunatic wont even talk to her, instead he talks of final victory in a way Hitler used to do.

It`s been made very clear already that Yingluck wants out so getting her out is a give me. Other likely compromises include legislation set in stone to ensure no politican (be it Thaskin in telecommunications or Suthep with Palm Oil) can ever use their position to the same way to benefit their own business interests.

The more I think about it the more I think it could be amazing for Thailand what could come out of it if Sutheps crew would realise they won`t get what they want and compromise.

Lets be clear again, any form of interim government like hes says will spark Thailand into chaos, whilst continuing down the current route isnt much better and descending to an equally troubled place. Neither is an option.

Compromise is all that can solve this, its gone on far too long.

[heybruce]

He said Yingluck does not want to cling to her premier position and does not want to fight to be a premier forever. But she wanted the election to proceed in line with the rules.

Resign Yingluck. Then elections will have a chance of continuing.

So you've gone over to the dark side. You're quite happy with the tactics of suthep of blocking the election until Yingluck resigns?

Why should she? The elections should be finished in a democratic way without hindrance from suthep, his mobs or the so called EC.

Then reforms can be discussed and suthep taken to court.

The elections should be finished in a democratic way

They weren't Democratic to start. And Yingluks refusal to resign is hindering Democratic elections.

That's right. The elections clearly reflected the will of the majority of Thailand's voters, but they didn't elect a Democrat, so they weren't Democratic.

[whybother]

Ireland had compromise on both sides. What compromise has Yingluck offered?

Its hard to know when that lunatic wont even talk to her, instead he talks of final victory in a way Hitler used to do.

It`s been made very clear already that Yingluck wants out so getting her out is a give me. Other likely compromises include legislation set in stone to ensure no politican (be it Thaskin in telecommunications or Suthep with Palm Oil) can ever use their position to the same way to benefit their own business interests.

The more I think about it the more I think it could be amazing for Thailand what could come out of it if Sutheps crew would realise they won`t get what they want and compromise.

Lets be clear again, any form of interim government like hes says will spark Thailand into chaos, whilst continuing down the current route isnt much better and descending to an equally troubled place. Neither is an option.

Compromise is all that can solve this, its gone on far too long.

Can you please point to ANYWHERE where Yingluck has said she wants out?

[ggold]

Resign Yingluck. Then elections will have a chance of continuing.

So you've gone over to the dark side. You're quite happy with the tactics of suthep of blocking the election until Yingluck resigns?

Why should she? The elections should be finished in a democratic way without hindrance from suthep, his mobs or the so called EC.

Then reforms can be discussed and suthep taken to court.

The elections should be finished in a democratic way

They weren't Democratic to start. And Yingluks refusal to resign is hindering Democratic elections.

That's right. The elections clearly reflected the will of the majority of Thailand's voters, but they didn't elect a Democrat, so they weren't Democratic.

Actually you are wrong, the election has not been completed, it is doubtful if they will be completed. And it is by no means certain that She will be re elected. So far it looks as if she will be catching a flight to Dubai to join her brother!

[SICHONSTEVE]

Normalcy can be restored when Surapong stops fomenting anarchy by crapping on the countries laws, like when he hand delivered a diplomatic passport to a criminal fugitive on the run abroad. Be a good boy, go grovel to the ombudsman who has been patiently waiting for you, and let somebody that is really qualified for a FM job to take the position. Disgraceful.

Only one thing can end this political impasse and that is for Yingluck to remove herself from the scene!!!

Until this happens 'the song remains the same'!!

[side]

Ireland had compromise on both sides. What compromise has Yingluck offered?

Its hard to know when that lunatic wont even talk to her, instead he talks of final victory in a way Hitler used to do.

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Holy crap, only 44 posts into the thread and Godwin's Law is already invoked. A record surely.

Sorry, do carry on.

[SICHONSTEVE]

And what about suthep???? He should leave also. But he wont because he wants it ALL for himself and the hell with everyone else.

Yes. Suthep should get out too. Which he has said he will do.

The reds can't seem to get it into their heads that Suthep has vowed to exit politics once the reform committee proposal is realised.

He doesn't want to benefit from anything - he is not Thaksin!!!

They should prevent any politicians in the previous set up from running, sort out the corruption (including setting up a neutral panel to vet all of the party's election mandates to disallow populist policies) and start afresh. This will upset a few of the honest politicians but I'm sure that Abhisit (Thailand's most honest and honourable politician) would accept this and sacrifice his political career for the good of Thailand and it's people.

[DirtFarmer]

It is abundantly clear that talks and concessions have been made countless times by the government since Suthep's insurrection began... Just go back and read...too easy really.. It is 100% Suthep who has refused ...every time... anything to the contrary is pure hyperbole... generated by bias...... his obstreperousness and arrogance and self love is responsible for everything after he began his rants, denigration, and veiled as well as unveiled threats.

[whybother]

It is abundantly clear that talks and concessions have been made countless times by the government since Suthep's insurrection began... Just go back and read...too easy really.. It is 100% Suthep who has refused ...every time... anything to the contrary is pure hyperbole... generated by bias...... his obstreperousness and arrogance and self love is responsible for everything after he began his rants, denigration, and veiled as well as unveiled threats.

What concessions have the government offered?

[soalbundy]

how many SC Group shares do you think Suthep has started buying now..

A great bargain when they bounce back after this shit is over

Just like Churchill after the battle of Jutland. As first Lord of the Admiralty he only gave out the number of ships sunk,since the Germans sank more British ships than vice versa everyone assumed Britain had lost.The London Stock Market collapsed and Churchill went on a buying spree before announcing that the British had won.........nice little earner. Nothing wrong really anyone can buy why not Suthep. You don't get rich being patriotic.

[soalbundy]

It is abundantly clear that talks and concessions have been made countless times by the government since Suthep's insurrection began... Just go back and read...too easy really.. It is 100% Suthep who has refused ...every time... anything to the contrary is pure hyperbole... generated by bias...... his obstreperousness and arrogance and self love is responsible for everything after he began his rants, denigration, and veiled as well as unveiled threats.

What concessions have the government offered?

Suthep is on a mission from God

[whybother]

It is abundantly clear that talks and concessions have been made countless times by the government since Suthep's insurrection began... Just go back and read...too easy really.. It is 100% Suthep who has refused ...every time... anything to the contrary is pure hyperbole... generated by bias...... his obstreperousness and arrogance and self love is responsible for everything after he began his rants, denigration, and veiled as well as unveiled threats.

What concessions have the government offered?

Not gonna do your homework for you ...go back and read... but doubt that you will... ...start with dissolving the house calling new elections trying to get the process back on track ad infinitum.. get a clue... nah never mind why bother... ( yawn)

How was new elections a concession to the protesters? They asked her to resign. They didn't ask for new elections until reforms had been completed.

There have been no concessions offered by the government.

Edited February 24, 2014 by whybother

[spermwhale]

Yo Surapong!

Since you haven't been reading the news, they don't want to talk with you or anybody from the government. Him coming out and saying this is laughable. They're really grasping at straws.

[icommunity]

I do not think suthep is the right person to talk to. The power and the influence of the dem's pdrc/pcad should be the people to talk to. They are more beneath the surface of what we are arguing or debating about. Arrangement or agreements with suthep will not be a sustainable one.

[JamesDean3]

Someone last week seemed to have predicted that after Suthep started targeting Thaksin's businesses, the government would be more open for discussions. Someone called it right.

Someone predicted that the sun would come up this morning and it did. Let's build him a shrine.

The government has been offering talks to Suthep since November 2013, virtually every week. There are dozen of news posts here to back it up. Suthep has been rejecting talks every single time. His goal is not a peaceful solution. He will reject this one, too.

When my prediction becomes reality, be sure to quote it.

Suthep has already said. He will only talk to the person who makes the decisions and that is Thaksin not the puppet yingluck.

[whybother]

I do not think suthep is the right person to talk to. The power and the influence of the dem's pdrc/pcad should be the people to talk to. They are more beneath the surface of what we are arguing or debating about. Arrangement or agreements with suthep will not be a sustainable one.

When is Thaksin coming in for talks?

[aussieinthailand]

Someone last week seemed to have predicted that after Suthep started targeting Thaksin's businesses, the government would be more open for discussions. Someone called it right.

they have been offering talks for weeks, months. Nothing new here. It is Suthep's brinkmanship and intransigence that make resolution and dialogue difficult

Indeed they do, each time they are driven into a new corner, but their offers are onesided so nobody is interested in those talks.

And that includes many other organisations than Suthep.

You made the call, back it up, "their offers are one-sided" so now come up with documents of each of the "one-sided" proposals?