Thai graft buster to discuss red-shirts’ threat

[Baerboxer]

It's all a load of balls, anyone who doesn't see it has an agenda against Yingluck/PTP.

People try to portay Thai politics as this deep "you don't understand unlesss your Thai" BS, when it's one of the most transparent politicial messes in recent times.

It would be funny if I didn't feel like puking almost everytime I read the latest story.

Sad situation.

Yeah and the rice scam was an honest scheme that worked and everyone got paid and no rice was stolen.

I was responding to someone, guess that's gone.

Anyway, Is rice really that high on your agenda that you would want a democratically elected government to be thrown out and replaced by a few unelected people to decide the future of the country?

Really my friend, just replay that question in your head and ask yourself if you really believe that's a just cause.

Is that the right way?

Your remarks on all threads are pro-PTP. That's fine, it's your view.

You want to excuse a regime that lies, cheats, faces numerous corruption charges. refuses to account for billions, wants to decrease checks and balances, and openly takes instruction from and cavorts with a convicted criminal on the grounds it was democratically elected? Up to you if that's how you think.

Being democratically elected doesn't make your corruption legitimate, or mean you can ignore the law when it suits, or you are above the law.

Or do you think that is the right way?

[blaze]

It's all a load of balls, anyone who doesn't see it has an agenda against Yingluck/PTP.

People try to portay Thai politics as this deep "you don't understand unlesss your Thai" BS, when it's one of the most transparent politicial messes in recent times.

It would be funny if I didn't feel like puking almost everytime I read the latest story.

Sad situation.

Or....Anybody who is blinded by red propaganda would think the rice scheme is a success.

I mean, come on, THB 780,000,000,000 gone, the rice farmers have no money and they are up to their ears in debt, no figures released ever and the only thing we hear is something about secret (non-existing/fake) G2G deals.

Please do some research concerning this scheme. It is broadly covered in the international community. Loads of info available if you dare to have a look.

You think this is about a failed policy? That Thailand is being plunged into darkeness because of the incompetent administration of a program? What could the citizens of every country that supported the invasion of Iraq (much more costly to the major antagonists than the rice scheme- and much more riddled (in the US with possible corruption_)-- But I don't see developed countries racing head long to join the ranks of Syria and Somalia.

Maybe you should learn something about the power and economic systems of patronage in this country that are being threatened by Thaksin policies and the enfranchisement of the poor.

Learn the real threat that Thaksin poses- and don't tell me that the Silom Businessmen's association is morally offended by whifs of corruption!!! (Or some of the more notorious state agencies!!!)

So many foreigners - and thais- have been enlisted into the ranks of the Useful Idiots. (well meaning, but intentionally misguided).

Edited February 25, 2014 by blaze

[Nickymaster]

It's all a load of balls, anyone who doesn't see it has an agenda against Yingluck/PTP.

People try to portay Thai politics as this deep "you don't understand unlesss your Thai" BS, when it's one of the most transparent politicial messes in recent times.

It would be funny if I didn't feel like puking almost everytime I read the latest story.

Sad situation.

Or....Anybody who is blinded by red propaganda would think the rice scheme is a success.

I mean, come on, THB 780,000,000,000 gone, the rice farmers have no money and they are up to their ears in debt, no figures released ever and the only thing we hear is something about secret (non-existing/fake) G2G deals.

Please do some research concerning this scheme. It is broadly covered in the international community. Loads of info available if you dare to have a look.

You think this is about a failed policy? That Thailand is being plunged into darkeness because of the incompetent administration of a program? What could the citizens of every country that supported the invasion of Iraq (much more costly to the major antagonists than the rice scheme- and much more riddled (in the US with possible corruption_)-- But I don't see developed countries racing head long to join the ranks of Syria and Somalia.

Maybe you should learn something about the power and economic systems of patronage in this country that are being threatened by Thaksin policies and the enfranchisement of the poor.

Learn the real threat that Thaksin poses- and don't tell me that the Silom Businessmen's association is morally offended by whifs of corruption!!! (Or some of the more notorious state agencies!!!)

So many foreigners - and thais- have been enlisted into the ranks of the Useful Idiots. (well meaning, but intentionally misguided).

I know what this is all about, been here for decades. I just highlighted one of the largest corruption cases in Thai history. That's all I was doing my friend.

Edited February 25, 2014 by Nickymaster

[HUAHIN62]

It's all a load of balls, anyone who doesn't see it has an agenda against Yingluck/PTP.

People try to portay Thai politics as this deep "you don't understand unlesss your Thai" BS, when it's one of the most transparent politicial messes in recent times.

It would be funny if I didn't feel like puking almost everytime I read the latest story.

Sad situation.

Yeah and the rice scam was an honest scheme that worked and everyone got paid and no rice was stolen.

Did she steal the rice or money? If you dare to read a bit wider that the Thai English news you will know that the NACC, the civil service and the courts are owned by the traditional elites. The government want to pay the farmers but are prevented to issue the bonds to finance the payments. Why do you think education are in the state it is? Why do you think the courts told the police they may not in force the law? Why do you think the courts don't want to issue arrest warrants on the leaders? Why do you think the Red Bull heir was allowed to escape? Why do you think Thailand have had 18 coup's? They are powerful and more corrupt than any politician. Without a decrease in power of these elites no democracy will ever work.

[zakk9]

Learn the real threat that Thaksin poses- and don't tell me that the Silom Businessmen's association is morally offended by whifs of corruption!!! (Or some of the more notorious state agencies!!!)

So many foreigners - and thais- have been enlisted into the ranks of the Useful Idiots. (well meaning, but intentionally misguided).

Businessmen mostly hate corruption. It lowers their profit and they have nothing to gain from it.

[bigbamboo]

This is just so unfair.

Why do the police, the courts, the regulatory bodies always pick on the innocent Shinawats? Between them they've been accused of countless crimes ranging from fraud to corruption to deception to perjury even murder, in fact the list is endless. And it's not just Thaksin but his wife, his wife's brother, his sister, his other sister, his children... all have been caught in the net at some time and clearly every case was politically motivated and none of the accused was ever guilty of anything, ever, aside from a few honest mistakes.

And Suthep is still not happy.

Edited February 25, 2014 by bigbamboo

[zakk9]

It's all a load of balls, anyone who doesn't see it has an agenda against Yingluck/PTP.

People try to portay Thai politics as this deep "you don't understand unlesss your Thai" BS, when it's one of the most transparent politicial messes in recent times.

It would be funny if I didn't feel like puking almost everytime I read the latest story.

Sad situation.

Yeah and the rice scam was an honest scheme that worked and everyone got paid and no rice was stolen.

Did she steal the rice or money? If you dare to read a bit wider that the Thai English news you will know that the NACC, the civil service and the courts are owned by the traditional elites. The government want to pay the farmers but are prevented to issue the bonds to finance the payments. Why do you think education are in the state it is? Why do you think the courts told the police they may not in force the law? Why do you think the courts don't want to issue arrest warrants on the leaders? Why do you think the Red Bull heir was allowed to escape? Why do you think Thailand have had 18 coup's? They are powerful and more corrupt than any politician. Without a decrease in power of these elites no democracy will ever work.

The government has owed the rice farmers since September, long before the demonstrations started. Some of the farmers that were paid the last few months were paid for the 2011 and 2012 harvests. As for the rest of the rant: Why do you think hardly any cases against Thaksin have reached the courts yet? Thaksin is as much a part of the old, corrupt system as all the others. He's just corrupt on a larger scale. And since you mention Red Bull. Ever heard about the son of Police Captain Dr. Chalerm Ubumrung? The current cabinet is full of the old elite. They are all the same.

[Nickymaster]

It's all a load of balls, anyone who doesn't see it has an agenda against Yingluck/PTP.

People try to portay Thai politics as this deep "you don't understand unlesss your Thai" BS, when it's one of the most transparent politicial messes in recent times.

It would be funny if I didn't feel like puking almost everytime I read the latest story.

Sad situation.

Yeah and the rice scam was an honest scheme that worked and everyone got paid and no rice was stolen.

Did she steal the rice or money? If you dare to read a bit wider that the Thai English news you will know that the NACC, the civil service and the courts are owned by the traditional elites. The government want to pay the farmers but are prevented to issue the bonds to finance the payments. Why do you think education are in the state it is? Why do you think the courts told the police they may not in force the law? Why do you think the courts don't want to issue arrest warrants on the leaders? Why do you think the Red Bull heir was allowed to escape? Why do you think Thailand have had 18 coup's? They are powerful and more corrupt than any politician. Without a decrease in power of these elites no democracy will ever work.

Those dam_n elites again. This time they made almost 30 billion USD disappear!!!

-Yes the government wants to pay the farmers but is has no money. Simple as that. Hey how about this one...SELL SOME RICE!! Rice=money right?

-Why is education like this? Ask the people who have been in "charge" of this country the last decade.

-Why do you think the courts told the police they may not in force the law? The court said that the police should not use violence. That is not the same as saying don't enforce the law!

-Why do you think the courts don't want to issue arrest warrants on the leaders? Because they are non violent and a part of democracy is protesting if your government is corrupt as hell.

-Why do you think the Red Bull heir was allowed to escape? Because the police couldn't find him and arrest him......I guess.

-Why do you think Thailand have had 18 coup's? That's an easy one. Over the top corruption.

On another note, I am happy to see that you feel sorry for those protestors that are attacked and killed on a daily basis and who don't receive any support from the police in finding the culprits.

Edited February 25, 2014 by Nickymaster

[Suriya4]

This is an unprecedented lynching of the NACC, and it is happening from within the Yingluck administration itself. On Sunday, the red shirt gathering with Thida, Nuttawut, Jataporn, and the Interior Minister - joined in a jaw-dropping condemnation of the independent agencies, in essence the rule of law itself. Further discussed was a plan to boycott Thursday's meeting of the NACC which Yingluck is constitutionally required to attend, to answer charges and to answer specific questions regarding the rice scandal. Yingluck has herself decided to boycott the meeting. At Sunday's rally, Yingluck was urged to ignore the independent agencies. On Thursday, the UDD will surround the NACC to prevent the meeting from taking place. In the meantime, Yingluck has used her facebook page to stoke hatred and distrust of the NACC within the UDD. She ( at unquestionably Thaksin's suggestion ) is now deliberately setting the UDD loose on the NACC, and as the rally was attended by both the Interior Minister and the Agriculture Minister - this has the clear stamp of administrative approval. The NACC is now left to defend itself, as the police have no vested interest in doing so. The NACC is now compelled to appeal through the media for protection. The rice scandal is enough to bring down the Yingluck administration many times over. The UDD - with Yingluck's blessings - is not going to allow that investigation to continue. That's what this has come to.

"The NACC is now left to defend itself,"

Sorry, but I think the law say peaceful protesters can not be forced out.

[Baerboxer]

It's all a load of balls, anyone who doesn't see it has an agenda against Yingluck/PTP.

People try to portay Thai politics as this deep "you don't understand unlesss your Thai" BS, when it's one of the most transparent politicial messes in recent times.

It would be funny if I didn't feel like puking almost everytime I read the latest story.

Sad situation.

Yeah and the rice scam was an honest scheme that worked and everyone got paid and no rice was stolen.

Did she steal the rice or money? If you dare to read a bit wider that the Thai English news you will know that the NACC, the civil service and the courts are owned by the traditional elites. The government want to pay the farmers but are prevented to issue the bonds to finance the payments. Why do you think education are in the state it is? Why do you think the courts told the police they may not in force the law? Why do you think the courts don't want to issue arrest warrants on the leaders? Why do you think the Red Bull heir was allowed to escape? Why do you think Thailand have had 18 coup's? They are powerful and more corrupt than any politician. Without a decrease in power of these elites no democracy will ever work.

We don't know who stole the rice or money. We do know that there appears to be significant unexplained differences in inventory figures, and that around 500 billion baht spent in the scheme is unaccounted for but never reached the farmers.

PTP were not able to pay the farmers before the protests started and made no provision to do so before dissolving the house. If they had secured the 2.2 trillion off budget loan before dissolving the house, or quickly been returned to power facilitating the loan bill passing, they would have had sufficient funds to hide all this.

Neither happened and they've been exposed and there only response is to lie or blame others.

How many broken promises and vows to pay have PTP given the farmers?

[blaze]

Learn the real threat that Thaksin poses- and don't tell me that the Silom Businessmen's association is morally offended by whifs of corruption!!! (Or some of the more notorious state agencies!!!)

So many foreigners - and thais- have been enlisted into the ranks of the Useful Idiots. (well meaning, but intentionally misguided).

Businessmen mostly hate corruption. It lowers their profit and they have nothing to gain from it.

And how do you suppose that the small businesses on Silom- in the Patpong area, are able to run fronts for prostitution if they hate corruption?

How do you suppose that building codes are not enforced?

Why do you think sidewalks are designed to crumble after only a couple of years' use?

Why is the tax revenue collection in this country appallingly low?

Nothing to gain from corruption? How about getting bids accepted at inflated costs? and delivering less than their competitors would?

And 'selling' sub-contracts not to the lowest bidder- but to the fattest brown paper envelope.

Edited February 25, 2014 by blaze

[SeaVisionBurma]

Off topic nonsense post removed.

Stay on topic and keep your replies civil please.

[zakk9]

Learn the real threat that Thaksin poses- and don't tell me that the Silom Businessmen's association is morally offended by whifs of corruption!!! (Or some of the more notorious state agencies!!!)

So many foreigners - and thais- have been enlisted into the ranks of the Useful Idiots. (well meaning, but intentionally misguided).

Businessmen mostly hate corruption. It lowers their profit and they have nothing to gain from it.

And how do you suppose that the small businesses on Silom- in the Patpong area, are able to run fronts for prostitution if they hate corruption?

How do you suppose that building codes are not enforced?

Why do you think sidewalks are designed to crumble after only a couple of years' use?

Why is the tax revenue collection in this country appallingly low?

Nothing to gain from corruption? How about getting bids accepted at inflated costs? and delivering less than their competitors would?

And 'selling' sub-contracts not to the lowest bidder- but to the fattest brown paper envelope.

You are talking about crooks. I'm talking about businessmen. The majority of businessmen want to work in a well regulated society with predictable conditions, so that they can plan long term. Crooks live off a badly regulated society and buy themselves advantages that enable them to get unfair advantages compared to those who run honest businesses. While there are many crooks running businesses in Thailand, the real business it what makes the wheels go round. If Pat Pong disappeared, few would notice except the crooks and some bar girls.

[driller114mm]

maybe it only took 21 days to find enough reason to call Yingluk to answer questions on corruption and as the caretaker prime minister she has an obligation to answer those quetions otherwise it may be seen as guilt in staying away and should step down and resign from the government and stay out .

Is this not the same thing as suthep is doing by not going to court??????? Or am I wrong.

Suthep is not the elected Prime Minister

[blaze]

Learn the real threat that Thaksin poses- and don't tell me that the Silom Businessmen's association is morally offended by whifs of corruption!!! (Or some of the more notorious state agencies!!!)

So many foreigners - and thais- have been enlisted into the ranks of the Useful Idiots. (well meaning, but intentionally misguided).

Businessmen mostly hate corruption. It lowers their profit and they have nothing to gain from it.

And how do you suppose that the small businesses on Silom- in the Patpong area, are able to run fronts for prostitution if they hate corruption?

How do you suppose that building codes are not enforced?

Why do you think sidewalks are designed to crumble after only a couple of years' use?

Why is the tax revenue collection in this country appallingly low?

Nothing to gain from corruption? How about getting bids accepted at inflated costs? and delivering less than their competitors would?

And 'selling' sub-contracts not to the lowest bidder- but to the fattest brown paper envelope.

You are talking about crooks. I'm talking about businessmen. The majority of businessmen want to work in a well regulated society with predictable conditions, so that they can plan long term. Crooks live off a badly regulated society and buy themselves advantages that enable them to get unfair advantages compared to those who run honest businesses. While there are many crooks running businesses in Thailand, the real business it what makes the wheels go round. If Pat Pong disappeared, few would notice except the crooks and some bar girls.

OK- what percent of the people cheering on suthep's mission pay their taxes with full disclosure, do you think?

What percent on principle refuse to gift a good school for their little darling to secure a seat in?

What percent will offer a cop a 'tip' not to take them to court for a DIU?

Etc etc etc- and remember- we are talking about Thailand- not Finland.

You are saying honest businessmen are honest- well- yeah. True. But in Thailand- how many are honest-- how many actually put principle ahead of profit -=- when its so easy to get away with abandoning the first in order to maximize the second?

Edited February 25, 2014 by blaze

[zakk9]

You are talking about crooks. I'm talking about businessmen. The majority of businessmen want to work in a well regulated society with predictable conditions, so that they can plan long term. Crooks live off a badly regulated society and buy themselves advantages that enable them to get unfair advantages compared to those who run honest businesses. While there are many crooks running businesses in Thailand, the real business it what makes the wheels go round. If Pat Pong disappeared, few would notice except the crooks and some bar girls.

OK- what percent of the people cheering on suthep's mission pay their taxes with full disclosure, do you think?

What percent on principle refuse to gift a good school for their little darling to secure a seat in?

What percent will offer a cop a 'tip' not to take them to court for a DIU?

Etc etc etc- and remember- we are talking about Thailand- not Finland.

You are saying honest businessmen are honest- well- yeah. True. But in Thailand- how many are honest-- how many actually put principle ahead of profit -=- when its so easy to get away with abandoning the first in order to maximize the second?

A majority of those who demonstrated with Suthep, at least to start with, were ordinary Bangkokians with ordinary office jobs. They represent the largest tax-payer group in Thailand except factory workers, but factory workers earn little money and pay little tax.

Many pay to secure a seat in a good school, but that is because they are forced to, not because they want to. This has nothing to do with business.

What is a DIU? Most people don't go to court often.

Most large businesses in Thailand do tax planning according to the law, which means paying as little as possible. Yes, people cheat, but I'm sure they do that in Finland as well.

The big corruption in Thailand are in connection with government contracts, which are large amounts, small businesses like food stalls, who pay for being allowed to run their businesses and then the endless amounts of tea money from tiny amounts to thousands or millions of baht. But nobody pay that willingly. They pay it because they are forced to. When people pay a government official to do his job, they pay for something he should have done anyway, but that isn't strictly illegal in Thailand. When people pay him for not doing his job, they are both crooks.

[noitom]

A Thai graftbuster." What a humorous notion. Where in the world does the Thai press dream up these handles?

[zakk9]

"To investigate corruption at the Thai government is like handing out speed tickets at the Indy 500"

Don't remember where I read it.

[HD 205]

It's all a load of balls, anyone who doesn't see it has an agenda against Yingluck/PTP.

People try to portay Thai politics as this deep "you don't understand unlesss your Thai" BS, when it's one of the most transparent politicial messes in recent times.

It would be funny if I didn't feel like puking almost everytime I read the latest story.

Sad situation.

Yeah and the rice scam was an honest scheme that worked and everyone got paid and no rice was stolen.

I was responding to someone, guess that's gone.

Anyway, Is rice really that high on your agenda that you would want a democratically elected government to be thrown out and replaced by a few unelected people to decide the future of the country?

Really my friend, just replay that question in your head and ask yourself if you really believe that's a just cause.

Is that the right way?

And by the same token don't you believe that if corruption has occurred those who were responsible or failed to stop it should all be held to account and punished accordingly as you or i would be if we broke the law?

Democratically elected government does not equate to - immunity to do what the hell you choose or want to with no accountability or consequence does it?

If proven to have broken the law, yes of course!

No, obviously not.

My point is that putting in an unelected council through a portest spearheaded by one of the most corrupt politicians in Thailand is not the way you go about fighting corruption.

Aslo, just to be clear I wasn't saying that rice isn't important to Thailand, I just meant for it to be used for the implenting of the above (sentence) is not good enough!

[monkeycountry]

Graft buster to discuss red-shirts threat

BANGKOK: -- The National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) board will meet today to have a resolution on accusation by the caretaker prime minister that the graft buster took just a brief 21-day to investigate the rice-pledging scheme which she was involved and decided to bring charges against her. Threat by red-shirts to blockade the NAC C office on Thursday will also be discussed.

The NACC secretary-general Sansern Poljiak said the weekly meeting today was aimed at reaching a resolution in reaction to Ms Yingluck Shinawatras accusations which she posted on her Facebook page.

In addition, the threat by red-shirt people to rally at the NACC office to obstruct the working of the NACC board on Thursday would be discussed and worked out how to cope with their threat.

The NACC secretary-general said that the NACC has summoned Ms Yinglluck to hear the charges to be brought against her and allow her to defend herself on Thursday (February 27).

On Sunday, red-shirt people who rallied in Nakhon Ratchasima threatened to block the NACC office and also urged the caretaker to adopt disobedience to the NACC. Caretaker Interior Minister Charupong Ruangsuwan , also leader of the ruling Pheu Thai party, was also on the red-shirt rally stage.

The NACC secretary-general added that the NACC would consider whether to have a press conference after the meeting today or not, depended on the decision of the board.

Meanwhile the ruling Pheu Thai party spokesman Prompong Nopparit will also submit a petition to the NACC late today urging the graft buster to speed up the corruption case involving the Abhisit governments in the rice price guarantee scheme.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/graft-buster-discuss-red-shirts-threat/

-- Thai PBS 2014-02-25

You would think that the PM of a country would be pleased that at least some government offices work fast and efficiently, but I guess for Yingluck the goal is to delay everything for as long as possible. 2 years on we are still waiting to see the rice scam accounts! Edited February 26, 2014 by monkeycountry

[monkeycountry]

It's all a load of balls, anyone who doesn't see it has an agenda against Yingluck/PTP.

People try to portay Thai politics as this deep "you don't understand unlesss your Thai" BS, when it's one of the most transparent politicial messes in recent times.

It would be funny if I didn't feel like puking almost everytime I read the latest story.

Sad situation.

Yeah and the rice scam was an honest scheme that worked and everyone got paid and no rice was stolen.

I was responding to someone, guess that's gone.

Anyway, Is rice really that high on your agenda that you would want a democratically elected government to be thrown out and replaced by a few unelected people to decide the future of the country?

Really my friend, just replay that question in your head and ask yourself if you really believe that's a just cause.

Is that the right way?

I will help you here. According to most international economists, the rice scam losses are so big that the countrys economy is in jeopardy if the rice scam continues. Yes, I think Thailands economy is way more important than how the PM was elected/chosen.

[HD 205]

I was responding to someone, guess that's gone.

Anyway, Is rice really that high on your agenda that you would want a democratically elected government to be thrown out and replaced by a few unelected people to decide the future of the country?

Really my friend, just replay that question in your head and ask yourself if you really believe that's a just cause.

Is that the right way?

Your remarks on all threads are pro-PTP. That's fine, it's your view.

You want to excuse a regime that lies, cheats, faces numerous corruption charges. refuses to account for billions, wants to decrease checks and balances, and openly takes instruction from and cavorts with a convicted criminal on the grounds it was democratically elected? Up to you if that's how you think.

Being democratically elected doesn't make your corruption legitimate, or mean you can ignore the law when it suits, or you are above the law.

Or do you think that is the right way?

Your remarks on all threads are pro-PTP. That's fine, it's your view.

But, that's just a lie.

[HD 205]

It's all a load of balls, anyone who doesn't see it has an agenda against Yingluck/PTP.

People try to portay Thai politics as this deep "you don't understand unlesss your Thai" BS, when it's one of the most transparent politicial messes in recent times.

It would be funny if I didn't feel like puking almost everytime I read the latest story.

Sad situation.

Yeah and the rice scam was an honest scheme that worked and everyone got paid and no rice was stolen.

I was responding to someone, guess that's gone.

Anyway, Is rice really that high on your agenda that you would want a democratically elected government to be thrown out and replaced by a few unelected people to decide the future of the country?

Really my friend, just replay that question in your head and ask yourself if you really believe that's a just cause.

Is that the right way?

I will help you here. According to most international economists, the rice scam losses are so big that the countrys economy is in jeopardy if the rice scam continues. Yes, I think Thailands economy is way more important than how the PM was elected/chosen.

You think the countrys economy will collapse if the rice scheme is seen through?

Do you think the rice scheme is what Suthep and co want to prevent?

Edit: Anyway, apologies if you do reply and I don't answer straight away as I'm going offline now - cheers.

Edited February 26, 2014 by HD 205

[monkeycountry]

It's all a load of balls, anyone who doesn't see it has an agenda against Yingluck/PTP.

People try to portay Thai politics as this deep "you don't understand unlesss your Thai" BS, when it's one of the most transparent politicial messes in recent times.

It would be funny if I didn't feel like puking almost everytime I read the latest story.

Sad situation.

Yeah and the rice scam was an honest scheme that worked and everyone got paid and no rice was stolen.

Did she steal the rice or money? If you dare to read a bit wider that the Thai English news you will know that the NACC, the civil service and the courts are owned by the traditional elites. The government want to pay the farmers but are prevented to issue the bonds to finance the payments. Why do you think education are in the state it is? Why do you think the courts told the police they may not in force the law? Why do you think the courts don't want to issue arrest warrants on the leaders? Why do you think the Red Bull heir was allowed to escape? Why do you think Thailand have had 18 coup's? They are powerful and more corrupt than any politician. Without a decrease in power of these elites no democracy will ever work.

The rice/money is gone, that much we do know, so either she did steal the rice/money and should be charged with theft, or she simply lost the rice/money and should be charged with negligence, which I believe is what the NACC is doing right now. Edited February 26, 2014 by monkeycountry