Tips to reduce chloresterol (LDL) level

[osten]

I swear by red wine daily.

Reduced my cholesterol 35 points not long ago (no other changes to diet)

[laislica]

I note someone here says rice contains cholesterol !

Nutrition Facts

Rice, white, long-grain, cooked

Amount Per 1 cup (158 g)

Calories 206

% Daily Value*

Total Fat 0.4 g 0%

Saturated fat 0.1 g 0%

Polyunsaturated fat 0.1 g

Monounsaturated fat 0.1 g

Cholesterol 0 mg 0%

Sodium 2 mg 0%

Potassium 55 mg 1%

Total Carbohydrate 45 g 15%

Dietary fiber 0.6 g 2%

Sugar 0.1 g

Protein 4.2 g 8%

Vitamin A 0% Vitamin C 0%

Calcium 1% Iron 1%

Vitamin D 0% Vitamin B-6 5%

Vitamin B-12 0% Magnesium 4%

*Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.

Sources include: USDA

You are 100% correct, carbs do not "contain" cholesterol - your body uses carbs to make cholesterol!

Search the web for the UK's BBC series "The truth about food"

Learn how to reduce hardening of the arteries and cure ED with raw crushed garlic - It worked for me at 70!

Read up on glycemic index, the rate at which carbs are turned into sugar.

Look into the connection with why booze can only be processed by the liver and the sugar Fructose - AKA HFCS.

(Booze makes you fat yeah? So does fructose)

Funnily enough, this series and Dr Mercola seem to agree a hell of a lot.

Since the FDA are run for and by the big companies, maybe his "Truths" may hurt the profits of the big companies.

The fact that the FDA supported tobacco for years proves what a complete bunch of untrust worthy people they are.

I think that us 'oldies' seem to be a bit wiser than some of the 'statin brigade' - if everyone did a bit of research then this world would be a healthier place and big pharma's profits would take a dive!!!

Indeed, however, it is hard to resist the lies and brainwashing that is thrust upon everyone.

The big companies use the very best brains that money can buy to avhieve thair aims - how can we resist.

I have given up with my own daughters.

They reject my updates about vaccinations, HFCS and all the above.

They are too busy trying to bring up kids, work and earn enough to pay their taxes and mortgage.

It's a vicious trap.

Us Oldies have the time and energy to investigate.

We should do more to spread the word.

I had prepared a long post with detail of how fructose and alcohol are processed in the liver and lots more, but thanks to the internet/my laptop, it all just got lost, hence the curt post I did make.

BTW what do you think about the 108 yr old lasy, when asked her secret of life, said: Stay away from Doctors - they'll kill you!

Most important REDUCE STRESS!

[SICHONSTEVE]

Well, except for the bread if your blood glucose is high --- did they check that for you?

Yes, I had a complete health check-up. Blood, blood glucose, heart, liver, kidneys etc etc all completely normal. Only issue was my choresterol level....

Simon

PS - I can understand why my LDL is high. My typical breakfast is an omelette made with 3 eggs and a glass of full-fat milk (because it tastes better than low-fat milk).

PPS

OP seems to like the fried rice.

Actually no! For several years, I have been at the mercy of my well-meaning but totally dysfunctional Thai family of my ex, who cook whatever is at hand, which generally means rice and more rice, with some rice thrown in on special occasions....

As from next month, I am moving into my own little house/hotel, and I'm installing a kichen and cooking facilities that will enable me to prepare my own meals, using my own ingredients.

So cocoa-flavoured oats, grilled fish, fruit, vegs and nuts, all washed down with copious amounts of green tea should set me in the right direction...

All good choices, but don't put the LDL problem down to the eggs, or milk for that matter - it is likely to be the refined cooking oil you use and white rice that are to blame. Buy some organic virgin coconut oil from Big C (paradise oil - it is expensive but it lasts a long time and protects your health) and enjoy your eggs - change to brown rice as well and your LDL will come down naturally as a consequence of these minor changes. Exercise helps greatly as well.

I halved my LDL levels in about a month from 180 to 90 simply by cutting out Lay crisps and M&M's!!!!

[laislica]

Just eat the coconut oil and you will feel full and therefore eat less calories.

It's a good fat and your levels of inflammation will reduce.

Balance the cost against eating less.

[SICHONSTEVE]

I note someone here says rice contains cholesterol !

Nutrition Facts

Rice, white, long-grain, cooked

Amount Per 1 cup (158 g)

Calories 206

% Daily Value*

Total Fat 0.4 g 0%

Saturated fat 0.1 g 0%

Polyunsaturated fat 0.1 g

Monounsaturated fat 0.1 g

Cholesterol 0 mg 0%

Sodium 2 mg 0%

Potassium 55 mg 1%

Total Carbohydrate 45 g 15%

Dietary fiber 0.6 g 2%

Sugar 0.1 g

Protein 4.2 g 8%

Vitamin A 0% Vitamin C 0%

Calcium 1% Iron 1%

Vitamin D 0% Vitamin B-6 5%

Vitamin B-12 0% Magnesium 4%

*Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.

Sources include: USDA

You are 100% correct, carbs do not "contain" cholesterol - your body uses carbs to make cholesterol!

Search the web for the UK's BBC series "The truth about food"

Learn how to reduce hardening of the arteries and cure ED with raw crushed garlic - It worked for me at 70!

Read up on glycemic index, the rate at which carbs are turned into sugar.

Look into the connection with why booze can only be processed by the liver and the sugar Fructose - AKA HFCS.

(Booze makes you fat yeah? So does fructose)

Funnily enough, this series and Dr Mercola seem to agree a hell of a lot.

Since the FDA are run for and by the big companies, maybe his "Truths" may hurt the profits of the big companies.

The fact that the FDA supported tobacco for years proves what a complete bunch of untrust worthy people they are.

I think that us 'oldies' seem to be a bit wiser than some of the 'statin brigade' - if everyone did a bit of research then this world would be a healthier place and big pharma's profits would take a dive!!!

Indeed, however, it is hard to resist the lies and brainwashing that is thrust upon everyone.

The big companies use the very best brains that money can buy to avhieve thair aims - how can we resist.

I have given up with my own daughters.

They reject my updates about vaccinations, HFCS and all the above.

They are too busy trying to bring up kids, work and earn enough to pay their taxes and mortgage.

It's a vicious trap.

Us Oldies have the time and energy to investigate.

We should do more to spread the word.

I had prepared a long post with detail of how fructose and alcohol are processed in the liver and lots more, but thanks to the internet/my laptop, it all just got lost, hence the curt post I did make.

BTW what do you think about the 108 yr old lasy, when asked her secret of life, said: Stay away from Doctors - they'll kill you!

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Most important REDUCE STRESS!

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She obviously knew a thing or two that young folk nowadays don't appreciate.

The only times that drugs are good (in my mind) is in emergencies, trauma cases or dangerous conditions whereby immediate action is required (dangerously high blood pressure for example) that needs to be brought down quickly if it is life threatening.

Natural remedies such as herbs, plant extracts, sensible sun exposure, mineral supplements etc: will deal with all the rest. No doctors required for these - just a laptop. the internet and a bit of informed research!!

Stress is indeed a big killer and so is a lack of quality sleep - something I struggle with at times (the sleep that is).

[belg]

get your cholesterol levels down? well get into the sun

the info about egg yolk is totally wrong

your body makes cholesterol on its own, you need sunshine hitting the skin to convert into useable other molecules

and excercise

[SICHONSTEVE]

get your cholesterol levels down? well get into the sun

the info about egg yolk is totally wrong

your body makes cholesterol on its own, you need sunshine hitting the skin to convert into useable other molecules

and exercise

Wrong!!!

"Cholesterol moves through blood within capsulelike structures known as lipoproteins. Yes, ingestion of several eggs a day does tend to increase blood concentrations of cholesterol, particularly the amount circulating in low-density lipoproteins (LDLs)—the so-called bad cholesterol. However, the new study showed, eating eggs can also increase the amount of cholesterol in high-density lipoproteins (HDLs)—the good cholesterol.

Moreover, the new study showed that when people ate three or more eggs per day their bodies made bigger LDL- and HDL-lipoprotein particles than when they ate no eggs. That's important because other recent studies have suggested that larger LDLs are less likely than small ones to enter artery walls and contribute their cholesterol load to artery-clogging plaque. Similarly, larger HDLs are more robust than smaller ones at hauling cholesterol out of the bloodstream and, ultimately, out of the body, notes the lead researcher for the new study, Christine M. Greene.

In fact, she notes, her team's accumulating data indicate that most people's bodies handle the cholesterol from eggs in a way that is least likely to harm the heart.

Cholesterol warnings have especially scared elderly people away from eggs, says Greene. And that's a shame, she adds, because eggs are an affordable and easy-to-eat source of high-quality protein for this population. The new findings, Greene says, contribute to a growing body of data suggesting that eggs shouldn't be construed "as a dietary evil."

I think that you are confusing vitamin D and cholesterol BTW.

[laislica]

get your cholesterol levels down? well get into the sun

the info about egg yolk is totally wrong

your body makes cholesterol on its own, you need sunshine hitting the skin to convert into useable other molecules

and exercise

Wrong!!!

"Cholesterol moves through blood within capsulelike structures known as lipoproteins. Yes, ingestion of several eggs a day does tend to increase blood concentrations of cholesterol, particularly the amount circulating in low-density lipoproteins (LDLs)—the so-called bad cholesterol. However, the new study showed, eating eggs can also increase the amount of cholesterol in high-density lipoproteins (HDLs)—the good cholesterol.

Moreover, the new study showed that when people ate three or more eggs per day their bodies made bigger LDL- and HDL-lipoprotein particles than when they ate no eggs. That's important because other recent studies have suggested that larger LDLs are less likely than small ones to enter artery walls and contribute their cholesterol load to artery-clogging plaque. Similarly, larger HDLs are more robust than smaller ones at hauling cholesterol out of the bloodstream and, ultimately, out of the body, notes the lead researcher for the new study, Christine M. Greene.

In fact, she notes, her team's accumulating data indicate that most people's bodies handle the cholesterol from eggs in a way that is least likely to harm the heart.

Cholesterol warnings have especially scared elderly people away from eggs, says Greene. And that's a shame, she adds, because eggs are an affordable and easy-to-eat source of high-quality protein for this population. The new findings, Greene says, contribute to a growing body of data suggesting that eggs shouldn't be construed "as a dietary evil."

I think that you are confusing vitamin D and cholesterol BTW.

There may be a little confusion in the post from Belg but he is essentially correct.

The vitamin D created in the skin by sunshine will assist the calcium and cholesterol to where they need to be and not deposited in the arteries. Without D3 bad things happen.

Sunshine and exercise are essential to good health.

I think we are actually all on the same page, remember English is not everyone's first language on this forum so a lottle slack is needed from time to time.

A great thread BTW

[SICHONSTEVE]

get your cholesterol levels down? well get into the sun

the info about egg yolk is totally wrong

your body makes cholesterol on its own, you need sunshine hitting the skin to convert into useable other molecules

and exercise

Wrong!!!

"Cholesterol moves through blood within capsulelike structures known as lipoproteins. Yes, ingestion of several eggs a day does tend to increase blood concentrations of cholesterol, particularly the amount circulating in low-density lipoproteins (LDLs)—the so-called bad cholesterol. However, the new study showed, eating eggs can also increase the amount of cholesterol in high-density lipoproteins (HDLs)—the good cholesterol.

Moreover, the new study showed that when people ate three or more eggs per day their bodies made bigger LDL- and HDL-lipoprotein particles than when they ate no eggs. That's important because other recent studies have suggested that larger LDLs are less likely than small ones to enter artery walls and contribute their cholesterol load to artery-clogging plaque. Similarly, larger HDLs are more robust than smaller ones at hauling cholesterol out of the bloodstream and, ultimately, out of the body, notes the lead researcher for the new study, Christine M. Greene.

In fact, she notes, her team's accumulating data indicate that most people's bodies handle the cholesterol from eggs in a way that is least likely to harm the heart.

Cholesterol warnings have especially scared elderly people away from eggs, says Greene. And that's a shame, she adds, because eggs are an affordable and easy-to-eat source of high-quality protein for this population. The new findings, Greene says, contribute to a growing body of data suggesting that eggs shouldn't be construed "as a dietary evil."

I think that you are confusing vitamin D and cholesterol BTW.

There may be a little confusion in the post from Belg but he is essentially correct.

The vitamin D created in the skin by sunshine will assist the calcium and cholesterol to where they need to be and not deposited in the arteries. Without D3 bad things happen.

Sunshine and exercise are essential to good health.

I think we are actually all on the same page, remember English is not everyone's first language on this forum so a lottle slack is needed from time to time.

A great thread BTW

There is a connection - but not in the way you put it:

It seems that cholesterol is needed to manufacture the 'extremely important vitamin D' which then moves the calcium and other minerals to the correct places rather than to the arteries where they calcify and stiffen the artery wall causing high blood pressure.

This reinforces the fact that cholesterol is in fact a vital requirement for the body and is unfairly vilified!!!

As I think you mentioned (and I did also) in earlier posts, INFLAMMATION is the big killer and not cholesterol. This is why people must eat to maintain the omega3/omega6 ratio at approximately 1:1 or 1/2 - the American 'heart attack' diet is reckoned to be 25:1 in favour of omega6 because of the sugar (fructose and HFCS) and refined cooking oils they eat in abundance, allied to their wheat and corn consumption. Guaranteed to inflame the body with the inevitable consequences of heart and stroke problems

Vitamin D and cholesterol are closely linked, both in bodily processes as well as in nutrition. One important role of cholesterol is that is plays a vital part in the synthesis of vitamin D in the body. In the diet, vitamin D is found in foods that have high levels of cholesterol, such as cod liver oil and eggs. Studies have been done to see if there is a correlation between the levels of vitamin D a person has and their cholesterol levels, but results are inconclusive.

There is a close connection in the body between Vitamin D and cholesterol. One of the biggest sources of vitamin D for individuals is contact with sunlight; upon exposure to sunlight the body can synthesize its own vitamin D. Cholesterol is involved in the process of synthesizing vitamin D from sunlight, and without cholesterol, vitamin D synthesis would be impossible.

[h90]

My great grandmother never listened to all this crap, she lived to 108.

My grandmother never listened to all this crap , she lived to 98

My mother never listened to all this crap and she passed away last year at 96

I don't pay much attention to all this crap and i am going well at 78.

Wonder what the average lifespan is for all the diet experts in here.

The big pharma companies invested billions to scare people about cholesterol, so they can sell their medications....Seems in your case they wasted the money (in mine as well).

The cholesterol topic is a very difficult one and cholesterol has several functions. Actually too difficult for normal people to understand. But the tablets must be sold....And the "healthy food" mafia also needs their profit.

[Sheryl]

Cholesterol per se is not the issue, it is the amount of the different types of cholesterol and the ration between them.

[SICHONSTEVE]

My great grandmother never listened to all this crap, she lived to 108.

My grandmother never listened to all this crap , she lived to 98

My mother never listened to all this crap and she passed away last year at 96

I don't pay much attention to all this crap and i am going well at 78.

Wonder what the average lifespan is for all the diet experts in here.

The big pharma companies invested billions to scare people about cholesterol, so they can sell their medications....Seems in your case they wasted the money (in mine as well).

The cholesterol topic is a very difficult one and cholesterol has several functions. Actually too difficult for normal people to understand. But the tablets must be sold....And the "healthy food" mafia also needs their profit.

They are not getting it at my expense. that's for sure!!!

[SICHONSTEVE]

Cholesterol per se is not the issue, it is the amount of the different types of cholesterol and the ration between them.

I agree with that statement - with the level of HDL being the most important (the higher the better) as this is responsible for removing the 'bad ones' ie: LDL and vLDL. Even so, your cholesterol level isn't necessarily a very good guide to you're heart health as about 50% of people die of heart attacks with normal cholesterol levels.

Having a low level of HDL is infinitely worse than having a high level of LDL and ladies need for than men!!.

[h90]

Studies show that only 15% of your cholesterol comes from your diet. Diet and exercise can help, but at some point, most of us need statins. There are six of them that can affect you differently-some become stronger if used with grapefruit or pomelo. Your doctor can help you chose a safe and cost effective statin.

Doctors like these results best:

LDL 0-100 HDL >40 Triglycerides <150

Expecting to find the answers to complex questions relating to cholesterol and statins on this Forum is optimistic to say the least

As some of the postings show all too clearly, there is an awful lot of misinformation out there being peddled as fact.

So where DO you go for help.

Your GP is not, unfortunately, necessarily the most reliable source - any more than is Big Pharma, who have ways of getting doctors to push their cholesterol-related products.

My advice, as someone who has been through the mill of conventional cholesterol treatment for high blood pressure, is to do some extensive independent research before committing to a "cure".

You may end up popping bills, or instead stepping up your bacon and egg consumption (both are recommended by different factions in the cholesterol debate). But whatever action you take will at least be based on a comprehensive review of the facts,rather than snippets of fact and a lot of fantasy.

Google is an obvious starting point to access the views of experts of all kinds - doctors, scientists, nutritionists etc - and YouTube offers many videos covering all aspects of the Great Cholesterol Controversy.

Good luck with finding a healthy solution to your cholesterol "problem" (which, by the time you have done some digging you may find is not a problem at all!).

I concur.

I would also add that cholesterol, far from being a toxin, as the myth would have you believe, is one of the most essential molecules in your body for such functions as the production of steroid and sex hormones, the proper functioning of the immune system both innate and adaptive, to maintain the integrity of every cell wall in your body and to create bile acids for the digestion of fats. Reduce it at your peril.

just to add: in the cell walls it helps keeping it fluid. Too less and the cell walls can't clean themself efficient and your cancer risk increases.

Which is also the cause why some studies say with lower cholesterol the heart attack risk goes down but the total mortality keeps the same.

(get cancer instead of heart attacks)

[canman]

What worked for me:

limit intake of white food; rice, pasta, potatoe & bread.

Increase oily fish intake; salmon, sardines and mackerel

Handfull of almonds and walnuts each day

Green tea

Eliminate all sugar except for fruit

Eat 90% pure cocoa. For a chocolate lover the almost pure cocoa taste took some getting used to but really enjoying it now.

Take fish oil and flaxseed oil supplements

Take CoQ10 and Red yeast Rice supplement (a natural statin)

Take Pomegranate extract

Trying to give up the smokes and cut down alcohol intake but not doing to well on that front.

Lost 12Kg

I dont have my numbers to hand but they were really bad, cardiologist insisted I take statins. I said give me 4 months and we check again. After 4 months my numbers were well withing the recommended guidelines and the doc was impressed.

Edit to add: After 15 years of taking them I am off BP meds and BP holding within an acceptable range.

Warnings

Pomegranate juice may increase the risk of rhabdomyolysis for patients on statin therapy possibly due to the inhibition of CYP 450 enzymes

Diabetic patients should be careful because of the sugar content of pomegranate.

Maybe he didn't know what you were taking or didn't know the interaction.

http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/herb/pomegranate

Thanks for the warning on the possible interactions between the two. I did quite a bit of research but missed this risk factor.

[laislica]

get your cholesterol levels down? well get into the sun

the info about egg yolk is totally wrong

your body makes cholesterol on its own, you need sunshine hitting the skin to convert into useable other molecules

and exercise

Wrong!!!

"Cholesterol moves through blood within capsulelike structures known as lipoproteins. Yes, ingestion of several eggs a day does tend to increase blood concentrations of cholesterol, particularly the amount circulating in low-density lipoproteins (LDLs)—the so-called bad cholesterol. However, the new study showed, eating eggs can also increase the amount of cholesterol in high-density lipoproteins (HDLs)—the good cholesterol.

Moreover, the new study showed that when people ate three or more eggs per day their bodies made bigger LDL- and HDL-lipoprotein particles than when they ate no eggs. That's important because other recent studies have suggested that larger LDLs are less likely than small ones to enter artery walls and contribute their cholesterol load to artery-clogging plaque. Similarly, larger HDLs are more robust than smaller ones at hauling cholesterol out of the bloodstream and, ultimately, out of the body, notes the lead researcher for the new study, Christine M. Greene.

In fact, she notes, her team's accumulating data indicate that most people's bodies handle the cholesterol from eggs in a way that is least likely to harm the heart.

Cholesterol warnings have especially scared elderly people away from eggs, says Greene. And that's a shame, she adds, because eggs are an affordable and easy-to-eat source of high-quality protein for this population. The new findings, Greene says, contribute to a growing body of data suggesting that eggs shouldn't be construed "as a dietary evil."

I think that you are confusing vitamin D and cholesterol BTW.

There may be a little confusion in the post from Belg but he is essentially correct.

The vitamin D created in the skin by sunshine will assist the calcium and cholesterol to where they need to be and not deposited in the arteries. Without D3 bad things happen.

Sunshine and exercise are essential to good health.

I think we are actually all on the same page, remember English is not everyone's first language on this forum so a lottle slack is needed from time to time.

A great thread BTW

There is a connection - but not in the way you put it:

It seems that cholesterol is needed to manufacture the 'extremely important vitamin D' which then moves the calcium and other minerals to the correct places rather than to the arteries where they calcify and stiffen the artery wall causing high blood pressure.

This reinforces the fact that cholesterol is in fact a vital requirement for the body and is unfairly vilified!!!

As I think you mentioned (and I did also) in earlier posts, INFLAMMATION is the big killer and not cholesterol. This is why people must eat to maintain the omega3/omega6 ratio at approximately 1:1 or 1/2 - the American 'heart attack' diet is reckoned to be 25:1 in favour of omega6 because of the sugar (fructose and HFCS) and refined cooking oils they eat in abundance, allied to their wheat and corn consumption. Guaranteed to inflame the body with the inevitable consequences of heart and stroke problems

Vitamin D and cholesterol are closely linked, both in bodily processes as well as in nutrition. One important role of cholesterol is that is plays a vital part in the synthesis of vitamin D in the body. In the diet, vitamin D is found in foods that have high levels of cholesterol, such as cod liver oil and eggs. Studies have been done to see if there is a correlation between the levels of vitamin D a person has and their cholesterol levels, but results are inconclusive.

There is a close connection in the body between Vitamin D and cholesterol. One of the biggest sources of vitamin D for individuals is contact with sunlight; upon exposure to sunlight the body can synthesize its own vitamin D. Cholesterol is involved in the process of synthesizing vitamin D from sunlight, and without cholesterol, vitamin D synthesis would be impossible.

Ah, I didn't think we were going to bee quite so scientific, but if you must he he.

Vitamin D was wrongly classified. It is a growth hormone and is essential to every cell in the body.

(Somewhat like prostaglandins).

However, classed as a vitamin and being recognised as beneficial to health, the British Gov (for one) insisted that D2 ( very cheap to make) should be added to dairy products to fortify them.

It worked wonders back in the days of rickets.

But since it was cheap to make, big pharma has no interest in promoting it coe ppl would get less sick, would buy less meds, they would have less profit.

[goatfarmer]

Cholesterol per se is not the issue, it is the amount of the different types of cholesterol and the ration between them.

There are no 'different types of cholesterol'. Cholesterol is a distinct molecule (C₂₇H₄₆O) carried by lipoproteins in the blood. There are different classifications of lipoproteins measurable by their mass and particle size and number. Ratio of (total mass of lipoproteins / serum blood volume) will tell you nothing about particle number or size, which is the latest fashion in the 'infiltrative' theory of heart disease (of questionable merit, IMO; the 'degenerative' theory being more plausible).

More important is to be sure that cholesterol is being utilized by the cells and is being converted into necessary end-products, such as have been discussed above - and to make sure it isn't too low, in which case, if you have a septic infection, you will probably die. http://robbwolf.com/2012/03/09/paleo-diet-inflammation-metformin/ (scroll down to 'septic event').

... and see the chart below, which shows that all cause mortality is higher in 'low cholesterol' than in high and that the 'sweet spot' is around 210 to 220 mg/dl.

[partington]

I have to say, I have never read such a lot of unmitigated &lt;deleted&gt;, misinformation, scientific illiteracy and sheer blatant fantasy and fabrication as this thread.

YouTube and websites designed to sell you quack medicines by disseminating made up facts are the not a source of scientific truth.

No scientist or qualified clinician would make any use of these sources, or take them seriously.

No doctor or scientist in the field has ever claimed that cholesterol is a toxin, or that it is unnecessary for normal cellular function. So arguments that try to knock down this position are trying to knock down something that has never been claimed (except by the nonsensical websites that create this argument in order to knock it down). What is more there is no situation in which too little cholesterol is a danger - it is synthesized by every cell in the body, and you can never run out.

VLDL is not intrinsically any more dangerous than LDL, as Sheryl points out it is the ratios and amounts of the different lipoproteins in the blood that present increased or decreased risk for heart disease. These liporoteins also serve essential metabolic functions, and when present in the correct amounts are necessary, just like cholesterol itself.

In fact VLDL is made by the liver in order to supply the peripheral tissues with triglycerides, their function is to transport triglyceride.

After releasing its triglyceride VLDL becomes LDL. Yes exactly: LDL is a metabolic product of VLDL.

The function of HDL is to transport cholesterol out of the periphery (eg diseased cells in arteries that are turning into atherosclerotic plaques) and back to the liver for excretion. This is why HDL is good. HDL is partially made from products released from the surface of VLDL as it gives up its triglyceride, which is why VLDL and HDL levels are often inversely proportional to each other.

You can see that these pathways are all intertwined and necessary - it is their distortion by diet, inactivity, genetics, etc etc etc that cause problems.

The connection between Vitamin D and cholesterol is that they are derivatives. Cholesterol contains the steroid ring which all steroid hormones contain, so all steroid hormones are made from cholesterol.

The fact that the members of one family survived to a ripe old age without obeying any health advice about cholesterol is as irrelevant to the question of whether increased blood LDL cholesterol is a risk factor for heart disease, as my great grandfather's survival of 4 years trench fighting in the First World War is irrelevant to the question of whether trench warfare is a hazard to health.

Scientific truth about degree of risk comes from statistical analysis of very large numbers or people and their disease outcomes: this is called epidemiology and is the opposite of anecdotes about a few people, because its truth content and applicability is immeasurably larger.

[laislica]

Cholesterol per se is not the issue, it is the amount of the different types of cholesterol and the ration between them.

There are no 'different types of cholesterol'. Cholesterol is a distinct molecule (C₂₇H₄₆O) carried by lipoproteins in the blood. There are different classifications of lipoproteins measurable by their mass and particle size and number. Ratio of (total mass of lipoproteins / serum blood volume) will tell you nothing about particle number or size, which is the latest fashion in the 'infiltrative' theory of heart disease (of questionable merit, IMO; the 'degenerative' theory being more plausible).

More important is to be sure that cholesterol is being utilized by the cells and is being converted into necessary end-products, such as have been discussed above - and to make sure it isn't too low, in which case, if you have a septic infection, you will probably die. http://robbwolf.com/2012/03/09/paleo-diet-inflammation-metformin/ (scroll down to 'septic event').

... and see the chart below, which shows that all cause mortality is higher in 'low cholesterol' than in high and that the 'sweet spot' is around 210 to 220 mg/dl.

Excellent links in your post - thanks.

I see we must be on the right track because our Good Friend "Partington" has added a post to confirm this fact.

Thank you PARTINGTON, YOUR POST IS INSPIRING, THOUGH MIGHT BE BETTER IF YOU POSTED IN THE CORRECT THREAD - wORST jOKE eVER.

Oops Caps Lock - still Partington is so blinkered (and rude) that he may need info to be presented in that way.

Hee Hee, Oh how you help to reduce stress by raising a belly laugh

[laislica]

I have to say, I have never read such a lot of unmitigated &lt;deleted&gt;, misinformation, scientific illiteracy and sheer blatant fantasy and fabrication as this thread.

YouTube and websites designed to sell you quack medicines by disseminating made up facts are the not a source of scientific truth.

No scientist or qualified clinician would make any use of these sources, or take them seriously.

No doctor or scientist in the field has ever claimed that cholesterol is a toxin, or that it is unnecessary for normal cellular function. So arguments that try to knock down this position are trying to knock down something that has never been claimed (except by the nonsensical websites that create this argument in order to knock it down). What is more there is no situation in which too little cholesterol is a danger - it is synthesized by every cell in the body, and you can never run out.

VLDL is not intrinsically any more dangerous than LDL, as Sheryl points out it is the ratios and amounts of the different lipoproteins in the blood that present increased or decreased risk for heart disease. These liporoteins also serve essential metabolic functions, and when present in the correct amounts are necessary, just like cholesterol itself.

In fact VLDL is made by the liver in order to supply the peripheral tissues with triglycerides, their function is to transport triglyceride.

After releasing its triglyceride VLDL becomes LDL. Yes exactly: LDL is a metabolic product of VLDL.

The function of HDL is to transport cholesterol out of the periphery (eg diseased cells in arteries that are turning into atherosclerotic plaques) and back to the liver for excretion. This is why HDL is good. HDL is partially made from products released from the surface of VLDL as it gives up its triglyceride, which is why VLDL and HDL levels are often inversely proportional to each other.

You can see that these pathways are all intertwined and necessary - it is their distortion by diet, inactivity, genetics, etc etc etc that cause problems.

The connection between Vitamin D and cholesterol is that they are derivatives. Cholesterol contains the steroid ring which all steroid hormones contain, so all steroid hormones are made from cholesterol.

The fact that the members of one family survived to a ripe old age without obeying any health advice about cholesterol is as irrelevant to the question of whether increased blood LDL cholesterol is a risk factor for heart disease, as my great grandfather's survival of 4 years trench fighting in the First World War is irrelevant to the question of whether trench warfare is a hazard to health.

Scientific truth about degree of risk comes from statistical analysis of very large numbers or people and their disease outcomes: this is called epidemiology and is the opposite of anecdotes about a few people, because its truth content and applicability is immeasurably larger.

HA HA HA

HA HA HA

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Vitamin D2 is not very active - I take D3 which is far superior (and not man made) like vitamin D2 is (on the whole).

The best way to obtain vitamin D is to expose at least half to two thirds of your body to the mid-day sun for 10 -15 minutes daily. This actually protects you from many cancers including skin cancer, believe it or not!!!

[SICHONSTEVE]

Vitamin D2 is not very active - I take D3 which is far superior (and not man made) like vitamin D2 is (on the whole).

The best way to obtain vitamin D is to expose at least half to two thirds of your body to the mid-day sun for 10 -15 minutes daily. This actually protects you from many cancers including skin cancer, believe it or not!!!

[SICHONSTEVE]

I have to say, I have never read such a lot of unmitigated &lt;deleted&gt;, misinformation, scientific illiteracy and sheer blatant fantasy and fabrication as this thread.

YouTube and websites designed to sell you quack medicines by disseminating made up facts are the not a source of scientific truth.

No scientist or qualified clinician would make any use of these sources, or take them seriously.

No doctor or scientist in the field has ever claimed that cholesterol is a toxin, or that it is unnecessary for normal cellular function. So arguments that try to knock down this position are trying to knock down something that has never been claimed (except by the nonsensical websites that create this argument in order to knock it down). What is more there is no situation in which too little cholesterol is a danger - it is synthesized by every cell in the body, and you can never run out.

VLDL is not intrinsically any more dangerous than LDL, as Sheryl points out it is the ratios and amounts of the different lipoproteins in the blood that present increased or decreased risk for heart disease. These liporoteins also serve essential metabolic functions, and when present in the correct amounts are necessary, just like cholesterol itself.

In fact VLDL is made by the liver in order to supply the peripheral tissues with triglycerides, their function is to transport triglyceride.

After releasing its triglyceride VLDL becomes LDL. Yes exactly: LDL is a metabolic product of VLDL.

The function of HDL is to transport cholesterol out of the periphery (eg diseased cells in arteries that are turning into atherosclerotic plaques) and back to the liver for excretion. This is why HDL is good. HDL is partially made from products released from the surface of VLDL as it gives up its triglyceride, which is why VLDL and HDL levels are often inversely proportional to each other.

You can see that these pathways are all intertwined and necessary - it is their distortion by diet, inactivity, genetics, etc etc etc that cause problems.

The connection between Vitamin D and cholesterol is that they are derivatives. Cholesterol contains the steroid ring which all steroid hormones contain, so all steroid hormones are made from cholesterol.

The fact that the members of one family survived to a ripe old age without obeying any health advice about cholesterol is as irrelevant to the question of whether increased blood LDL cholesterol is a risk factor for heart disease, as my great grandfather's survival of 4 years trench fighting in the First World War is irrelevant to the question of whether trench warfare is a hazard to health.

Scientific truth about degree of risk comes from statistical analysis of very large numbers or people and their disease outcomes: this is called epidemiology and is the opposite of anecdotes about a few people, because its truth content and applicability is immeasurably larger.

Definition

VLDL stands for very low density lipoprotein. Lipoproteins are substances made of cholesterol, triglycerides, and proteins. They move cholesterol, triglycerides, and other lipids to different parts of the body.

There are three major types of lipoproteins. VLDL contains the highest amount of triglycerides. VLDL is considered a type of bad cholesterol, because it helps cholesterol build up on the walls of arteries.

All I can say is that if you want cholesterol building up on your artery walls then VLDL is good for you - I would rather do without it myself personally!!!

Low levels of cholesterol are possible and it is life threatening!! I had moderately high cholesterol at 270 and I did something about - it went too low at 150 (not seriously low mind you) but I let it rise back up to 204 (pretty well perfect level) as I was aware that too low is worse than too high (unless it is excessively high with LDL and vLDL.

[laislica]

Vitamin D2 is not very active - I take D3 which is far superior (and not man made) like vitamin D2 is (on the whole).

The best way to obtain vitamin D is to expose at least half to two thirds of your body to the mid-day sun for 10 -15 minutes daily. This actually protects you from many cancers including skin cancer, believe it or not!!!

Spot on, if I supplement I take D3, a couple of drops of an oil that has almost no taste.

I prefer the mid day sun.

I follow the sun.

Spring and summer in the south of Spain and winter in Thailand.

Someone's gotta do it and it might as well be me and Er indoors LOL

BTW, still a great thread.

(Who is that partington?) he he

[laislica]

I have to say, I have never read such a lot of unmitigated &lt;deleted&gt;, misinformation, scientific illiteracy and sheer blatant fantasy and fabrication as this thread.

YouTube and websites designed to sell you quack medicines by disseminating made up facts are the not a source of scientific truth.

No scientist or qualified clinician would make any use of these sources, or take them seriously.

No doctor or scientist in the field has ever claimed that cholesterol is a toxin, or that it is unnecessary for normal cellular function. So arguments that try to knock down this position are trying to knock down something that has never been claimed (except by the nonsensical websites that create this argument in order to knock it down). What is more there is no situation in which too little cholesterol is a danger - it is synthesized by every cell in the body, and you can never run out.

VLDL is not intrinsically any more dangerous than LDL, as Sheryl points out it is the ratios and amounts of the different lipoproteins in the blood that present increased or decreased risk for heart disease. These liporoteins also serve essential metabolic functions, and when present in the correct amounts are necessary, just like cholesterol itself.

In fact VLDL is made by the liver in order to supply the peripheral tissues with triglycerides, their function is to transport triglyceride.

After releasing its triglyceride VLDL becomes LDL. Yes exactly: LDL is a metabolic product of VLDL.

The function of HDL is to transport cholesterol out of the periphery (eg diseased cells in arteries that are turning into atherosclerotic plaques) and back to the liver for excretion. This is why HDL is good. HDL is partially made from products released from the surface of VLDL as it gives up its triglyceride, which is why VLDL and HDL levels are often inversely proportional to each other.

You can see that these pathways are all intertwined and necessary - it is their distortion by diet, inactivity, genetics, etc etc etc that cause problems.

The connection between Vitamin D and cholesterol is that they are derivatives. Cholesterol contains the steroid ring which all steroid hormones contain, so all steroid hormones are made from cholesterol.

The fact that the members of one family survived to a ripe old age without obeying any health advice about cholesterol is as irrelevant to the question of whether increased blood LDL cholesterol is a risk factor for heart disease, as my great grandfather's survival of 4 years trench fighting in the First World War is irrelevant to the question of whether trench warfare is a hazard to health.

Scientific truth about degree of risk comes from statistical analysis of very large numbers or people and their disease outcomes: this is called epidemiology and is the opposite of anecdotes about a few people, because its truth content and applicability is immeasurably larger.

Definition

VLDL stands for very low density lipoprotein. Lipoproteins are substances made of cholesterol, triglycerides, and proteins. They move cholesterol, triglycerides, and other lipids to different parts of the body.

There are three major types of lipoproteins. VLDL contains the highest amount of triglycerides. VLDL is considered a type of bad cholesterol, because it helps cholesterol build up on the walls of arteries.

All I can say is that if you want cholesterol building up on your artery walls then VLDL is good for you - I would rather do without it myself personally!!!

Low levels of cholesterol are possible and it is life threatening!! I had moderately high cholesterol at 270 and I did something about - it went too low at 150 (not seriously low mind you) but I let it rise back up to 204 (pretty well perfect level) as I was aware that too low is worse than too high (unless it is excessively high with LDL and vLDL.

Better brace yourself, partington is in the building ha ha ha

I just can't wait for more stress releiving belly laughs

Bring it on partington - I'm ready for you this time.....

(partington posts will help you not to take things personally or seriously but to let go Ommmm Ommmm)

PS

Sorry I can't stay and play more tonight

The office shuts in a few mins and the WiFi goes off

[partington]

Low levels of cholesterol are possible and it is life threatening!! I had moderately high cholesterol at 270 and I did something about - it went too low at 150 (not seriously low mind you) but I let it rise back up to 204 (pretty well perfect level) as I was aware that too low is worse than too high (unless it is excessively high with LDL and vLDL.

Studies of hunter gatherers eating diets that are healthy and non-western, more like the 'original' human diet, usually show that the "natural" human plasma cholesterol is around 120-130.

For example, see this reference to the Tamahuara Indians of Mexico, who have a very low risk of heart disease, and a super healthy high fibre diet: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1944471

Their average total cholesterol was 121, and after experimental feeding of western diets this rose to a peak of ~159! You call this too low and dangerous, but there is little to no evidence that supports your view.

Bear in mind that low plasma cholesterol is a symptom of, that is caused by, a number of serious diseases, including cancer, AIDS and many others. So if you take a hundred people with extremely low total cholesterol, they will have a higher death rate than 100 random people, not sorted by plasma cholesterol concentration, simply because they have a greater incidence of serious disease , which is both causing their low cholesterol, and causing their decreased life expectancy.

You should also check out this thread: one poster who is high risk for heart disease and already has a stent reports sustained lowering of his plasma cholesterol to around 160, and is very happy, and not dying. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/678634-diet-tips-for-high-blood-pressure-and-cholesterol/page-6

Just got my results back, HDL = 76, LDL = 74, total cholesterol = 140, diet and fiber is the key.

Edit: corrected figure

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Low levels of cholesterol are possible and it is life threatening!! I had moderately high cholesterol at 270 and I did something about - it went too low at 150 (not seriously low mind you) but I let it rise back up to 204 (pretty well perfect level) as I was aware that too low is worse than too high (unless it is excessively high with LDL and vLDL.

Studies of hunter gatherers eating diets that are healthy and non-western, more like the 'original' human diet, usually show that the "natural" human plasma cholesterol is around 120-130.

For example, see this reference to the Tamahuara Indians of Mexico, who have a very low risk of heart disease, and a super healthy high fibre diet: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1944471

Their average total cholesterol was 121, and after experimental feeding of western diets this rose to a peak of ~151! You call this too low and dangerous, but there is little to no evidence that supports your view.

Bear in mind that low plasma cholesterol is a symptom of, that is caused by, a number of serious diseases, including cancer, AIDS and many others. So if you take a hundred people with extremely low total cholesterol, they will have a higher death rate than 100 random people, not sorted by plasma cholesterol concentration, simply because they have a greater incidence of serious disease , which is both causing their low cholesterol, and causing their decreased life expectancy.

You should also check out this thread: one poster who is high risk for heart disease and already has a stent reports sustained lowering of his plasma cholesterol to around 160, and is very happy, and not dying. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/678634-diet-tips-for-high-blood-pressure-and-cholesterol/page-6

Just got my results back, HDL = 76, LDL = 74, total cholesterol = 140, diet and fiber is the key.

Depends which way you see it - some scientists say that low levels of cholesterol can cause cancer and heart disease.

I think that getting your HDL up - of which I commend you in doing (76 is a very impressive level) is the key, and as Sheryl say's, the most important factor is the various ratio's of the differing components. If your overall level is low because your bad cholesterol is low then that is fine!! I also agree that diet helps and fiber (a combination of insoluble and soluble fiber) is excellent for controlling your cholesterol.

Cold steel rolled oats are probably the best thing for bringing your cholesterol down (especially your LDL and vLDL). Refined 'instant' oats are not so clever as they are highly glycaemic.

A 1:1 ratio of HDL to LDL is excellent!!!

[JSixpack]

Cold steel rolled oats are probably the best thing for bringing your cholesterol down (especially your LDL and vLDL).

Oat bran

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Cold steel rolled oats are probably the best thing for bringing your cholesterol down (especially your LDL and vLDL).

Oat bran

Yes, essentially, although oat bran is a more concentrated form of the fiber (beta glucan) and nutrients. I tried oat bran once about 2 tablespoons worth and had serious stomach cramps 2 hours later. I guess rolled oats is the safer option in this respect!!!

[SICHONSTEVE]

Low levels of cholesterol are possible and it is life threatening!! I had moderately high cholesterol at 270 and I did something about - it went too low at 150 (not seriously low mind you) but I let it rise back up to 204 (pretty well perfect level) as I was aware that too low is worse than too high (unless it is excessively high with LDL and vLDL.

Studies of hunter gatherers eating diets that are healthy and non-western, more like the 'original' human diet, usually show that the "natural" human plasma cholesterol is around 120-130.

For example, see this reference to the Tamahuara Indians of Mexico, who have a very low risk of heart disease, and a super healthy high fibre diet: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1944471

Their average total cholesterol was 121, and after experimental feeding of western diets this rose to a peak of ~159! You call this too low and dangerous, but there is little to no evidence that supports your view.

Bear in mind that low plasma cholesterol is a symptom of, that is caused by, a number of serious diseases, including cancer, AIDS and many others. So if you take a hundred people with extremely low total cholesterol, they will have a higher death rate than 100 random people, not sorted by plasma cholesterol concentration, simply because they have a greater incidence of serious disease , which is both causing their low cholesterol, and causing their decreased life expectancy.

You should also check out this thread: one poster who is high risk for heart disease and already has a stent reports sustained lowering of his plasma cholesterol to around 160, and is very happy, and not dying. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/678634-diet-tips-for-high-blood-pressure-and-cholesterol/page-6

Just got my results back, HDL = 76, LDL = 74, total cholesterol = 140, diet and fiber is the key.

Edit: corrected figure

I like the way that you edited the figure to correct it and still got it wrong!!!