Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search

[Solditallandmovedhere]

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Second cell /back up cell not required.

Ouch!

It is very difficult to keep a balance of great sorrow for the missing and their relatives, whatever has happened,
and what I think is everyone's genuine interest to try and understand the myriad possibilities of what has happened.
I am puzzled by why a company the size of Freescale Semiconductor would put 20 of its employees on the same plane

That's what I am saying! It's just mind blowing that they would even take that risk for obvious reasons.We need to read between the lines and because it seems all the answers are right in front of us.

[PoorSucker]

Off topic posts and responses removed.

[Solditallandmovedhere]

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OK. This is "out there" and based of other hypothesis and some of my own thoughts over the past 48 hours.

1. Crashed. Still no evidence. Obviously this will take some time but if nothing comes up by the end of the week we can assume that they did not crash where they are searching or they simply did not crash. Why they crashed is not really of issue to my hypothesis.

2. Hijacking without purpose of crashing. I will explain, shortly, why we might not have heard. Plane disappears from normal plane tracking "radar" (I now know more about radar than I did before but not enough...it would seem). If this plane is still flying then we are talking about a hijacker turning off all signals (transponders and the like) and taking the plane down to a low altitude. Plenty of people have said that this would require amazing flying skills...plenty of people have those...including the 2 chaps already in the cockpit.

So, we have a plane flying low, in an unknown direction full of, mainly, people from China or Chinese ethnicity. Where can it go? I do not know about whether it can be detected but can hypothesise about whether anybody is TRYING to detect it. So what is within KL-Beijing + 2 hours (the fuel on board) distance? Xinjiang certainly is. With the MASSIVE terrorist attack in Kunming on March 1st there was no announcement to claim the attack. The claiming was done by the media and the government.

In this, incredibly unlikely, turn of events where is the use for the terrorists? VERY simple. We're all talking about this incredible mystery. We're all focussed on it. That is what terrorism (I am using a vastly over-used word there) is meant to do. It is not the process of killing that is the aim...it is the attention garnered.

Lets move forward a short while. Lets hypothesise that another plane goes missing in similar circumstances. Now where are the hearts and minds of the world's population? In the hands of the organising group. Where are they? Communicating with the right people...not us.

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Please understand that I feel we are dealing with wreckage here but every moment that passes makes me question that more and more. I'm sure we're all the same. Of course this plane has crashed (whether terrorist, mechanical or pilot error) but each moment that passes with an increasing amount of resources turning up nothing makes us ask questions.

What if this plane hasn't crashed?


Please can the experts step forward and put me back in my box. I know the I might be giving Clancy a run for his money here but we do tend to just "compartmentalise" a downed plane (nasty though it is). 239 people missing without a trace? That stuff sticks.


(I know I'm going to regret pressing post)

Totally valid perspectives.

if it didn't crash than it landed somewhere as it only had enough gas to get an hour or so beyond Bejing.

So , where is it??

no country would allow it to land without everyone finding out

its a long shot but if it was hijacked ,they could still be in negeotiations with the hijackers

and thus media blackout etc

if it is extremeists ,they may have asked for people to be released from jail

or negeotiating for something that the country involved doesnt want to give them

its unlikely that the chinese ,malaysians and the usa doesnt know what happened

the nsa knows when you last took a shit ,to think they dont know about this is ridiculous

This is the best chance we have at getting these people back to their families. It's a sad day when all your hopes are based on it being a ransom situation. My heart goes out to their family and friends. I pray this is over quick.

[draftvader]

Just to update from the earlier suspected sighting of a life raft it has now been shown to be a cover of a cable-roll.

yellow object identified as cover of a cable roll, not a "life raft"

Have no other confirmation at present.

[laolover88]

Guardian reports (from China Digital)

Chinas central propaganda department appear to have issued a directive to reporters and journalists not

to independently comment on the flight, and maintain coverage in accordance with the official government

news agency Xinhua.

[steven100]

just received a report ...

A chinese group has claimed responsibility.

Will update as news comes in.

[draftvader]

Guardian reports (from China Digital)

Chinas central propaganda department appear to have issued a directive to reporters and journalists not

to independently comment on the flight, and maintain coverage in accordance with the official government

news agency Xinhua.

Nothing unusual in the Chinese government gagging the media. I feel that it might just be a moot point right now as this is global news and they are going to have a tough time censoring everything out there.

[SeaVisionBurma]

just received a report ...

A chinese group has claimed responsibility.

Will update as news comes in.

Please provide a credible link for this statement.

[draftvader]

just received a report ...

A chinese group has claimed responsibility.

Will update as news comes in.

This article from 4 hours ago.

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1101&MainCatID=11&id=20140310000042

Doesn't do anything to back-up or quash the claims really.

[draftvader]

just received a report ...

A chinese group has claimed responsibility.

Will update as news comes in.

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1101&MainCatID=11&id=20140310000042

Is an article reporting this 4 hours ago. Not sure it says a lot.

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[Solditallandmovedhere]

just received a report ...

A chinese group has claimed responsibility.

Will update as news comes in.

Unheard-of Chinese group claims responsibility - reports

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/709888-chinese-martyrs-brigade-group-claims-responsibility-for-flight-mh370-missing-mas/

[Tywais]

This is the report, however take note it is being heavily discounted.

Chinese group claims responsibility for flight MH370

A group that calls itself the Chinese Martyrs' Brigade has claimed responsibility for crashing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, which has remained missing after losing contact with ground control at 1:20am on Saturday.

The previously unheard-of group sent a PDF statement to various journalists in China on March 9, saying, "You kill one of our clan, we will kill 100 of you as pay back."

The majority of Chinese media outlets have expressed skepticism over the statement or dismissed it outright, suggesting it is likely a hoax made up by opportunists looking to inflame ethnic tensions following a series of attacks by separatists in northwest China's Xinjiang Uyghur autonomous region and a mass stabbing in the Yunnan capital of Kunming this month that left at least 33 people dead.

Analysts say the credibility of the statement is dubious as the group claiming responsibility for flight MH370 did not divulge any details as to how it crashed the plane. The PDF statement was also sent via the encrypted Hushmail anonymous remailer service which cannot be replied to or easily traced.

Chinese authorities have not responded to the statement or its claims.

Watchchinatimes

[speedtripler]

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its a long shot but if it was hijacked ,they could still be in negeotiations with the hijackers

and thus media blackout etc

if it is extremeists ,they may have asked for people to be released from jail

or negeotiating for something that the country involved doesnt want to give them

its unlikely that the chinese ,malaysians and the usa doesnt know what happened

the nsa knows when you last took a shit ,to think they dont know about this is ridiculous

This is the best chance we have at getting these people back to their families. It's a sad day when all your hopes are based on it being a ransom situation. My heart goes out to their family and friends. I pray this is over quick.

its a shallow basin of water about 50 metres deep where this plane " went down "

not like the atlantic or pacific ocean where its a couple of miles deep and the transponders could be "lost "

the story keeps changing as well ,its either off the coast of malasysia ,or vietnam or thailand or mainland china

or else its been landed secretly or else it made a u-turn ,maybe in andamman sea ,maybe in vietcong waters ,maybbe in the soiuth chinese sea or maybe the gulf of thailand ,90% of this must be bullshit ,the possibilities are not as unlimited as what the news is stating and the areas in question are all monitored on radar as well a satellite imaging ,if they know N korea fired a missle last week it proves that at least the usa and china are watching their radar screens

i cant believe in this day and age that nobody knows anything ,the australians send planes from darwin to help

wen they already have planes in the region is just an effort to "look like theyre doing something " as thats better on

the news than doing "nothing "

[SeaVisionBurma]

just received a report ...

A chinese group has claimed responsibility.

Will update as news comes in.

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1101&MainCatID=11&id=20140310000042

Is an article reporting this 4 hours ago. Not sure it says a lot.

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Thanks Moss, err draftvader.

Yes very buggy, my page keeps reloading in a loop

[draftvader]

So, after 30 minutes of possibilities we seem to be back to square one. Back to my slightly outlandish (not entirely original) theory that the plane is in tact somewhere else in the world there is a suggestion on pprune that Hotan Airport would suit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotan_Airport

My question is still whether anybody could say whether such a flight is possible (bearing in mind the entire flight would be in the dark) without turning up unannounced on somebody's radar screen (remembering that we have all transponders off in my scenario).

[balo]

Maybe someone turned off the transponder and then the plane crashed somewhere else, far away from where theire searching .? With the fuel onboard it could fly at a low altitude for hundreds of miles.

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[draftvader]

Maybe someone turned off the transponder and then the plane crashed somewhere else, far away from where theire searching .? With the fuel onboard it could fly at a low altitude for hundreds of miles.

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Possible. Unfortunately I can't see the gain in that.

If we assume somebody has taken charge of the plane with enough skill to get it away from the flight path and out of sight then we have to assume they have enough skill to take it somewhere else. If thet were intent on crashing the plane and had the ability to fly it they would take it somewhere very public to demonstrate. If they were intent on suicide they would have dived it down where they took command.

[speedtripler]

Maybe someone turned off the transponder and then the plane crashed somewhere else, far away from where theire searching .? With the fuel onboard it could fly at a low altitude for hundreds of miles.

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i dont think even the captains would have the ability to turn off both transponders

why would anyone build that capability into a transponder ? it goes against the very purpose

of its design

[3NUMBAS]

dont know i fit had RR engines but they communicate back to RR HQ when a plane is in the air ,giving all data about the health of the engines .

[laolover88]

Not a pleasant thought for relatives..but "Intelligence" will have to be checking EVERY passenger and crew.

[laolover88]

dont know i fit had RR engines but they communicate back to RR HQ when a plane is in the air ,giving all data about the health of the engines .

Had RR Trent 892 engines

[george]

Latest speculations at pprune.org:

Could the Malay Govt be covering up the fact that they took this plane out, because it was a security threat (hijacked, full of fuel, heading for KL)

[draftvader]

Latest speculations at pprune.org:

Could the Malay Govt be covering up the fact that they took this plane out, because it was a security threat (hijacked, full of fuel, heading for KL)

You on pprune too

[Solditallandmovedhere]

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dont know i fit had RR engines but they communicate back to RR HQ when a plane is in the air ,giving all data about the health of the engines .

They were RR engines so that is a good point to make. How do you know this? Just asking.

[Blackmirage2013]

So the latest I heard is a the plane disintegrated in mid-air???? That a Chinese group called Chinese Martyrs or something claimed responsibility???

Pure speculation! They have not even found the plane!

The theory of alien abduction is just as valid!

[laolover88]

When it was reported that contact with MH370 had been lost, they contacted the Narita bound plane. It is

reported theye made contact, but indistinct. Could/would he have been able to locate the plane at that point?

[laolover88]

Latest speculations at pprune.org:

Could the Malay Govt be covering up the fact that they took this plane out, because it was a security threat (hijacked, full of fuel, heading for KL)[/size]

You on pprune too

Guy on pprune making interesting point that the phone call made, but not picked up, may turn out to be of interest

[speedtripler]

Not a pleasant thought for relatives..but "Intelligence" will have to be checking EVERY passenger and crew.

Including ground personnel. The plane was in service 8 days before this incident.

Stunex teached us that it's possible to do quite incredible things with computer viruses. I assume that the plane systems are using quite specialised embedded code, but would it possible to include unauthorized code during system upgrades? Just an thought of possibilities.

Or... well, there might be several different ways to sabotage a place if one have access to it while is on ground.

if airline maintaince did it ,theres probably a 100 ways to take a plane down but a bomb would be simple to hide if you are working on the plane for 8 days

that is probably the only way to explain the transponders not sending any signals because a light crash in shallow water doesnt cut it

[Tywais]

Maybe someone turned off the transponder and then the plane crashed somewhere else, far away from where theire searching .? With the fuel onboard it could fly at a low altitude for hundreds of miles.

Shouldn't the plane be still visible on the primary radars (the ping type radars), even if the transponders are turned off?

The radar ping technology is also a transponder, specifically Mode-C and can be turned off or put in standby. Newer technology employed in most aircraft now is ADS-B. This uses GPS and does not require radar pinging as it is a continuous transmission. That is not allowed to be turned off unless specifically requested by control. Both Mode-C and ADS-B Mode-S are normally both active.

There are other transponders. The ELT (Emergency Locator Transmitter) which is activated by G-force or manually and there are the locator transponders in the black boxes. The odds of all 4 transponder systems failing to respond or picked up is a puzzle.

[laolover88]

Not a pleasant thought for relatives..but "Intelligence" will have to be checking EVERY passenger and crew.

Including ground personnel. The plane was in service 8 days before this incident.

Stunex teached us that it's possible to do quite incredible things with computer viruses. I assume that the plane systems are using quite specialised embedded code, but would it possible to include unauthorized code during system upgrades? Just an thought of possibilities.

Or... well, there might be several different ways to sabotage a place if one have access to it while is on ground.

Yeah and who makes embedded hardware? You got it!

I just hope for the people in sorrow and misery over this that a solution comes up soon. The search areas

are not that big, the water quite shallow and resources being thrown at it!!