Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search

[oldsailor35]

Well , i feel a bit odd about this incident. First of all i could not login to my normal account and secondly.

yesterday night i woke up with a nightmare and i heard a high noice , most probl a coconut crashed to my toilet roof (outside toilet)

I was totally shaking and i was thinking right away that it most have happen a plane crash.

This happen to me also same time when Air France plane crashed outside Brazil. I woke up the same night and had a pulse high as hell.

Anyhow since Air France crash i have studdied airplanes and crashes for a few years ...I can with sertenly "no expert" but my idea is some big explosion happen in the air, + the decompression of the plane boddy and everything, So basicly you will not find a single thing after this.

Cos no one had a chance to send SOS even the automaticly system in place if something would happen in the cabin pressure and the pilots cant send it manually.

well if you check out the other topic on here about this, and in particular the post about someone using a stolen passport to board.....who know's.

Yes, an Italian reported his passport stolen in august 2012. That passport was checked on to this aircraft, but the person has contacted his parents since the aircraft went missing, to confirm that he was not on the plane.

[Mosha]

Vietnamese Navy have sighted an oil slick, so my guess it won't be long now before wreck is located.

CNN apparently reporting something similar

[PepperMe]

I can't believe that they didn't send out low flying spotter craft along the same flight path..... Surely they would have found the debris field within hours?

They must have known the exact flight path. Because that is all pre determined by the on board computer.

[Don Johan Negombo]

Its many things about this incident that they dont tell us. And everything from the start was very strange. First the 2 hour into the flight facts that have been proven now is totally false. Now they talking about 40 minutes after the flight started from Malaysia.

I think something big strange is behind this. I am sure it will take months before any really facts comes out. Might be something that the goverment does not wants the world to know.

[empireboy]

Whatever outcomes and cause(s), my sympathies are with any and all who maybe feeling any related personal pains right now

[Tywais]

Reports in that the air rescue part of the mission has been recalled due to darkness. Ships will continue the search until morning when aircraft can return to continue the search. Oil slick 10-15 km long and 500 meters apart spotted, possible the engines. stream.wsj

[slipperylobster]

This is very odd. Very, very unusual for a plane of this age and type to 'go down'

If it is the case, of course, one's sympathies must be with those who are lost and their families.

I am not encouraged by what appears total confusion as to where the last contact with the plane was made.

The latitude/longitude figures released by various agencies are not the same. There is also the curious data on

Flightradar that the plane changed direction. In normal circumstances it is nearly impossible to 'lose' a plane

nowadays. Even if all on board electronics fail there are back-up battery systems. As far as I can see,

and I don't want to speculate there could have been instant, fatal decompression..have but only a few seconds at

35000 feet....but for what reason?...I travel on Malaysia Airlines!! Worrying!

While I may sound callous, I would imagine your worrying is unfounded as the chances of such an incident happening again to the same airline would be negligble.

Cannot say negligble unless you know what happened. Could have been structural, mechanical...in which all airplanes of the same make and model, serviced (or unserviced) by the same ground crew would be at risk.

Probably not pilot error....

why no radio mayday......something quick....explosion/structural failure

[sirchai]

Whatever outcomes and cause(s), my sympathies are with any and all who maybe feeling any related personal pains right now

+1.

[sirchai]

This is very odd. Very, very unusual for a plane of this age and type to 'go down'

If it is the case, of course, one's sympathies must be with those who are lost and their families.

I am not encouraged by what appears total confusion as to where the last contact with the plane was made.

The latitude/longitude figures released by various agencies are not the same. There is also the curious data on

Flightradar that the plane changed direction. In normal circumstances it is nearly impossible to 'lose' a plane

nowadays. Even if all on board electronics fail there are back-up battery systems. As far as I can see,

and I don't want to speculate there could have been instant, fatal decompression..have but only a few seconds at

35000 feet....but for what reason?...I travel on Malaysia Airlines!! Worrying!

While I may sound callous, I would imagine your worrying is unfounded as the chances of such an incident happening again to the same airline would be negligble.

Cannot say negligble unless you know what happened. Could have been structural, mechanical...in which all airplanes of the same make and model, serviced (or unserviced) by the same ground crew would be at risk.

Probably not pilot error....

why no radio mayday......something quick....explosion/structural failure

Doesn't seem to be a" pilot error".

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/se-asia/story/captain-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-has-more-20000-hours-flight-exp

[Mosha]

That stolen passport would have had a biometric chip. So when these passports are scanned. What do they show?

Edited March 8, 2014 by Mosha

[Traveller45]

My company has a Diving Support Vessel within 1 to 1/1/2 days sailing distance that can send saturation divers down to 300 meters water depth and a Remote Operated Vehicle that can be deployed and search with video and sonar scanners down to 1,000 meters water depth. The Malaysian Navy website is down so no way to find a number to call there. Malaysia Airlines has no telephone numbers that answer or will connect, the Malaysian Embassy in Bangkok and the USA also do not connect when you dial their numbers.

Too bad there is no emergency response team number for those that can really offer some effective tools to maybe help save lives or at least see what is really happening subsea.

I fear there is no way that anybody can have survived this. To take a different angle for once, there is a lot that remains to be done for the safety of airplanes when crash landing on sea. The structure is just not stiff enough to survive the impact generated when the airplane touches water, even supposing that it comes in at a relatively favourable angle and airspeed. The engines in their usual hanging construction provide an immediate anchor effect that will drag the cabin down. They would need to be moved elsewhere, or fitted with an emergency jettisoning device, together with the outer half of the wing. All this of course costs money, and accidents are very rare, too rare to warrant any substantial modification...

[mania]

I fear there is no way that anybody can have survived this. To take a different angle for once, there is a lot that remains to be done for the safety of airplanes when crash landing on sea. The structure is just not stiff enough to survive the impact generated when the airplane touches water, even supposing that it comes in at a relatively favourable angle and airspeed. The engines in their usual hanging construction provide an immediate anchor effect that will drag the cabin down. They would need to be moved elsewhere, or fitted with an emergency jettisoning device, together with the outer half of the wing. All this of course costs money, and accidents are very rare, too rare to warrant any substantial modification...

All sounds great but quite impossible.

Which is why I usually smile when they do their bit before take off telling you how to use a life vest.

Like you said even with as nice a touchdown as possible the fact that the water will give way will imply it will never be

able to do a wheel up landing as they have done on foamed runways during a landing gear failure.

It is just impossible + the stall speed of something this size is too high to make a difference between any favorable angle

Approach speed for this plane is 133 knots

They basically need to fly it onto the deck at which point the water is going to give unlike a hardtop.

Not to mention an open sea is anything but flat & swells can easily be 20'+ tall

Does not matter how stiff something is if speed & weight ultimately overcome that on impact.

Something is going to catch if not an engine as you said a wing tip etc. & it is going to tumble & tear itself apart.

The good news is even with a terrible event like this one,

Air travel is probably still the safest mode of distance travel

in the world.

Edited March 8, 2014 by mania

[Steely Dan]

Without the benefit of looking at the flight path my first though was how close was this to North Korean airspace? Hopefully there are some survivors, but I fear the chances are slim.

A rough guess, based on Google Maps, is about six thousand kilometers.

But this is a very odd incident -- safe plane, safe airline, good weather,in the middle of cruise, vanishes without trace. Something catastrophic has happened.

The only even vaguely notable fact is that it was right in the middle of the only sea crossing on the flight path. I hope we're not looking at another Silk Air/Palembang situation here.

Ah, a post that's not a flame, what a refreshing change. I did state my first thought was North Korea simply because a North Korean missile test crossed the path of a Chinese airliner very recently and North Korea are no respecters of international airspace either. Given the distance I agree, very unlikely, but some sort of catastrophic failure seems possible as you say.

[TBWG]

I fear there is no way that anybody can have survived this. To take a different angle for once, there is a lot that remains to be done for the safety of airplanes when crash landing on sea. The structure is just not stiff enough to survive the impact generated when the airplane touches water, even supposing that it comes in at a relatively favourable angle and airspeed. The engines in their usual hanging construction provide an immediate anchor effect that will drag the cabin down. They would need to be moved elsewhere, or fitted with an emergency jettisoning device, together with the outer half of the wing. All this of course costs money, and accidents are very rare, too rare to warrant any substantial modification...

All sounds great but quite impossible.

Which is why I usually smile when they do their bit before take off telling you how to use a life vest.

Like you said even with as nice a touchdown as possible the fact that the water will give way will imply it will never be

able to do a wheel up landing as they have done on foamed runways during a landing gear failure.

It is just impossible + the stall speed of something this size is too high to make a difference between any favorable angle

Approach speed for this plane is 133 knots

They basically need to fly it onto the deck at which point the water is going to give unlike a hardtop.

Not to mention an open sea is anything but flat & swells can easily be 20'+ tall

Does not matter how stiff something is if speed & weight ultimately overcome that on impact.

Something is going to catch if not an engine as you said a wing tip etc. & it is going to tumble & tear itself apart.

The good news is even with a terrible event like this one,

Air travel is probably still the safest mode of distance travel

in the world.

Are you suggesting that me blowing the whistle and the flashing light will not save me?

TBWG

[khaosai]

I fear there is no way that anybody can have survived this. To take a different angle for once, there is a lot that remains to be done for the safety of airplanes when crash landing on sea. The structure is just not stiff enough to survive the impact generated when the airplane touches water, even supposing that it comes in at a relatively favourable angle and airspeed. The engines in their usual hanging construction provide an immediate anchor effect that will drag the cabin down. They would need to be moved elsewhere, or fitted with an emergency jettisoning device, together with the outer half of the wing. All this of course costs money, and accidents are very rare, too rare to warrant any substantial modification...

All sounds great but quite impossible.

Which is why I usually smile when they do their bit before take off telling you how to use a life vest.

Like you said even with as nice a touchdown as possible the fact that the water will give way will imply it will never be

able to do a wheel up landing as they have done on foamed runways during a landing gear failure.

It is just impossible + the stall speed of something this size is too high to make a difference between any favorable angle

Approach speed for this plane is 133 knots

They basically need to fly it onto the deck at which point the water is going to give unlike a hardtop.

Not to mention an open sea is anything but flat & swells can easily be 20'+ tall

Does not matter how stiff something is if speed & weight ultimately overcome that on impact.

Something is going to catch if not an engine as you said a wing tip etc. & it is going to tumble & tear itself apart.

The good news is even with a terrible event like this one,

Air travel is probably still the safest mode of distance travel

in the world.

Hi,

Sad news indeed and thoughts with all involved. Hopefully they can find the wreckage and flight data information to find the actual cause of this disaster.

I don't think that this aircraft ditched, as some form of communication would undoubtably have occurred. Regarding the possibility of ditching an aircraft this large, it's not impossible but would be extremely difficult. As an aside the ideal pitch attitude on touchdown would be in the region of 10 to 12 degrees nose up.

RIP to all souls onboard.

[Lite Beer]

Vietnam says planes seeking Malaysia jet spot oil slick

HANOI, March 8, 2014 (AFP) - Vietnam said Saturday rescue planes searching for a missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 passengers spotted two large oil slicks in the sea and it is sending boats to the area.

"Two of our aircraft sighted two oil slicks around 15 to 20 kilometres (10-12 miles) long, running parallel, around 500 metres apart from each other," Lieutenant General Vo Van Tuan told state-run VTV.

-- (c) Copyright AFP 2014-03-08

[Mosha]

Without the benefit of looking at the flight path my first though was how close was this to North Korean airspace? Hopefully there are some survivors, but I fear the chances are slim.

A rough guess, based on Google Maps, is about six thousand kilometers.

But this is a very odd incident -- safe plane, safe airline, good weather,in the middle of cruise, vanishes without trace. Something catastrophic has happened.

The only even vaguely notable fact is that it was right in the middle of the only sea crossing on the flight path. I hope we're not looking at another Silk Air/Palembang situation here.

Ah, a post that's not a flame, what a refreshing change. I did state my first thought was North Korea simply because a North Korean missile test crossed the path of a Chinese airliner very recently and North Korea are no respecters of international airspace either. Given the distance I agree, very unlikely, but some sort of catastrophic failure seems possible as you say.

I hope you don't think I was flaming. I have some charts I got from AERAD, An hobby thing

[tx22cb]

Vietnam says planes seeking Malaysia jet spot oil slick

HANOI, March 8, 2014 (AFP) - Vietnam said Saturday rescue planes searching for a missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 passengers spotted two large oil slicks in the sea and it is sending boats to the area.

"Two of our aircraft sighted two oil slicks around 15 to 20 kilometres (10-12 miles) long, running parallel, around 500 metres apart from each other," Lieutenant General Vo Van Tuan told state-run VTV.

-- (c) Copyright AFP 2014-03-08

Oil slicks aren't that useful - a lot of ships in this region quietly discharge their waste in international waters.

More convincing would be flotsam and other debris

[Steely Dan]

Without the benefit of looking at the flight path my first though was how close was this to North Korean airspace? Hopefully there are some survivors, but I fear the chances are slim.

A rough guess, based on Google Maps, is about six thousand kilometers.

But this is a very odd incident -- safe plane, safe airline, good weather,in the middle of cruise, vanishes without trace. Something catastrophic has happened.

The only even vaguely notable fact is that it was right in the middle of the only sea crossing on the flight path. I hope we're not looking at another Silk Air/Palembang situation here.

Ah, a post that's not a flame, what a refreshing change. I did state my first thought was North Korea simply because a North Korean missile test crossed the path of a Chinese airliner very recently and North Korea are no respecters of international airspace either. Given the distance I agree, very unlikely, but some sort of catastrophic failure seems possible as you say.

I hope you don't think I was flaming. I have some charts I got from AERAD, An hobby thing

Certainly not, your reply was correct and to the point.

[Mosha]

The 1st report I saw this morning linked to a breaking news link. That suggested problems on take off. However by the time I woke up that link was out of date,

[lee b]

God help them all, This is the way i would not want to go, my prayers go out to all of the crew and passengers i hope god is with you all now

[Hockeybik]

Good thing nobody told Captain Sullenberger that it couldn't be done...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPPnd7yi7mY

I fear there is no way that anybody can have survived this. To take a different angle for once, there is a lot that remains to be done for the safety of airplanes when crash landing on sea. The structure is just not stiff enough to survive the impact generated when the airplane touches water, even supposing that it comes in at a relatively favourable angle and airspeed. The engines in their usual hanging construction provide an immediate anchor effect that will drag the cabin down. They would need to be moved elsewhere, or fitted with an emergency jettisoning device, together with the outer half of the wing. All this of course costs money, and accidents are very rare, too rare to warrant any substantial modification...

All sounds great but quite impossible.
Which is why I usually smile when they do their bit before take off telling you how to use a life vest.
Like you said even with as nice a touchdown as possible the fact that the water will give way will imply it will never be
able to do a wheel up landing as they have done on foamed runways during a landing gear failure.

It is just impossible + the stall speed of something this size is too high to make a difference between any favorable angle
Approach speed for this plane is 133 knots
They basically need to fly it onto the deck at which point the water is going to give unlike a hardtop.
Not to mention an open sea is anything but flat & swells can easily be 20'+ tall
Does not matter how stiff something is if speed & weight ultimately overcome that on impact.
Something is going to catch if not an engine as you said a wing tip etc. & it is going to tumble & tear itself apart.

The good news is even with a terrible event like this one,
Air travel is probably still the safest mode of distance travel
in the world.

Hi,

Sad news indeed and thoughts with all involved. Hopefully they can find the wreckage and flight data information to find the actual cause of this disaster.

I don't think that this aircraft ditched, as some form of communication would undoubtably have occurred. Regarding the possibility of ditching an aircraft this large, it's not impossible but would be extremely difficult. As an aside the ideal pitch attitude on touchdown would be in the region of 10 to 12 degrees nose up.

RIP to all souls onboard.

[sweatalot]

The circumstances remind me on the Air France tragedy

AF 447 Air France from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, 1. June 2009

Edited March 8, 2014 by sweatalot

[mania]

Good thing nobody told Captain Sullenberger that it couldn't be done...http:

I think if you ask Captain Sullenberger he would tell you a few differences between the Hudson River & an open sea

Then again they did call it "Miracle on the Hudson"

[Garnethoyes]

You would think that the Thai navy would have some kind of presence in the Gulf of Thailand, but heard nothing of them yet. Lots of other countries are helping the search in the area.

[sirchai]

You would think that the Thai navy would have some kind of presence in the Gulf of Thailand, but heard nothing of them yet. Lots of other countries are helping the search in the area.

There's the Thai navy base in Rayong. I don't think that would be a problem to send help, as it's an International catastrophe now.

But I have to admit that I also never heard of something coming from Thailand, as the Gulf of Thailand is always mentioned.

Hope the relatives will have all friends and help to get over this. And its just the beginning of a nightmare. Oh god.-

Edited March 8, 2014 by sirchai

[Tayida]

And their flight history. Please see the canceled flight a day before.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/9m-mro

Sorry,but the timetable flight reports the greenwich time,or the local time?If is greenwich time this is the missing plane.Am i right?

[sirchai]

And their flight history. Please see the canceled flight a day before.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/9m-mro

Sorry,but the timetable flight reports the greenwich time,or the local time?If is greenwich time this is the missing plane.Am i right?

Please see:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=122

[george]

2nd stolen passport on board

According to Austrian Foreign Ministry the Austrian on the manifest is well and in Austria. His passport had been reported stolen 2 years ago in Thailand. This has been reported by APA news agency in Austria. His name is on the official flight manifest from Malaysia Airlines:

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/mas/master/en/pdf/Malaysia%20Airlines%20Flight%20MH%20370%20Passenger%20Manifest.pdf

Source:

http://www.apa.at/News/6217359958/boeing-mit-239-passagieren-vor-vietnam-verschollen.html

[F430murci]

Rapid decompression would have been picked up by MAS. What is the deal with Luigi Maraldi? On manifest, but he was not on plane. His passport stolen in August. Is this more Internet lore from nutbags that make the Internet their home or is this real. This event reeks of foul play.

Edited March 8, 2014 by F430murci